Marika and Death: How did the "Epoch of Life" end her children? [Elden Ring Lore / Analysis]

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I haven’t seen if anyone has mentioned it before, but there is such thing as a piano guitar, look up keytar

[@SinclairLore]

@@themfatale haha amazing!! our pianogiotar is a little different XD

[@themfatale]

@@SinclairLore fair enough, but I just thought I'd throw it out there as it's a similar concept at the very least lol

[@TheChannelTroll]

The real story is that Marika tripped while carrying the Elden Ring and accidentally broke it, and the intro cutscene is her and her body mate desperately trying to fix it before the Greater Will notices

[@suzumiBreizh]

I want this to be cannon so badly

[@stefvanroey8191]

Legit cannot unsee that now in the cutscene

[@IrvingIV]

Oh shit, oh shit, Radagon it's not working! Hang on, let me try... Oh shit I made it worse! Let me do it you oaf! You broke it in the first pla- *_*WHO DARES SHATTER OUR SACRED SATELLITE DISH*_* ... ... ... Marika did it.

[@a.r.h9919]

@@IrvingIV I imagined it like the rick and Morty episode where he gifts a real lightsaber to Morty and he drops it perfectly vertical into the core of the earth, meanwhile both panic and in disbelief seeing it going deeper

[@platypuspracticus2]

I have to wonder if Radagon's separation from Renalla also inspired Ranni to go to the lengths that she did? She's very protective of her mother and Radagon absolutely devastated her with how he left.

[@basedgodly1623]

I think thats definitely it. Rennala was of the full moon which is the same as rannis dark moon but it reflects the light of the sun (or tree in this case) symbolizing her compromise of ideals and beliefs when marrying radagon. When you defeat the projection of rennala she tells ranni to make her dark night a reality so i think that does a lot to reinforce rannis intentions

[@Hugo_Tate]

The sprites the humor the people talking, everything about this video is amazing. so glad I found this channel

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

We're glad you found it too :)

[@IrvingIV]

A new hand touches the beacon!

[@dyelawn893]

Oh my god Fia’s ending creating dark souls makes so much sense when you think about how her ending turns the golden haze of the erdtree into the grey fog wall of dark souls.

[@fakename4683]

Just wanted to share a few thoughts in the episode. 1) A possible explanation for the ants (and the Leonine Misbegotten) is that they are eating/picking items as they are shed from the Erd Tree. The map description for the Deeproot Depths states "At the very depths of the Erdtree's majestic roots lies the source of the Ainsel and the Siofra rivers. Here too begins the network of Greattree roots that spread throughout the Lands Between." It's possible that the Numen runes are from either Marika or Radagon. The Scarseals and Soreseals are usually found in water or near a cave with water. 2) It is vaguely hinted that Melina was not born, but birthed from the Erd Tree itself (there are tree murals that show people/gods growing on the tree and the dialogue from Boc's quest). If so, it may be that Marika was also grown form the Erd Tree/Greattree. I think this also go a long way of explaining why Radagon and the Gloam Eyed queen just appearing without a history/genealogy, as it wouldn't exist. It also works with the iconography of the Elden Ring as Marika almost appears like she is sprouting from Elden Ring.

[@bearVshark100]

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[@freshhands9461]

...have ever you been to the Lands Down Under?! That place really messes with your perceptions of reality. No wonder their doctors are able to keep up with this stuff! Time is convoluted big time...to even get there, you probably need to skip a day...the Moon herself is changing faces the other way round...South is cold and North is warm...what the Gwyn?? And the most dangerous inversion that weirdo place has to offer: Bosses get smaller, the more dangerous they are! Fittingly, cold coffee over there is really awesome, though.

[@Matrim42]

Why would having a scar be worse than having a sore? A scar is just a mark, a sore is an open wound.

[@thetrueconnoisseur]

This was great! Framing Marika in this way makes a heap of sense. It also has some interesting implications for her arc re: her apparent wish for death.

[@emccoy]

Too many good quotes for this episode. It cheered me up after a tiering week

[@TastyCarcass]

Asking about Marika's childhood is the wisest question. Probably not normal to be a crumbly girl with the ability to merge with other life forms

[@IrvingIV]

"This goddess is too crumbly, adjust your recipe."

[@yurinoworry]

@@IrvingIV for whatever reason this made the phrase “elden yeast” pop into my head.

[@Gnome-kc7pr]

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[@soarel325]

This might be the best video you two have done on Elden Ring so far! One of the best analyses on this channel. The point about Marika’s hatred and fear of death being all a reaction to the mistakes of the Eternal Cities is the first time I’ve seen anyone make that observation, and the Koschei comparison is very apt! Some thoughts on a few aspects: There was actually an ending at one point where Marika could be replaced, there’s cut dialogue left in the game where Miquella takes Marika’s place as the host of the Elden Ring and creates his own Order. While no longer present in the current version of the game, it doesn’t really conflict with the rest of it, and confirms two things - Marika can be replaced as host deity, and Miquella’s not actually opposed to the Greater Will and Order as a whole, just his mother’s Golden Order. Marika being able to become the host of the Elden Ring partially due to geographic proximity raises an important question. Since Placidusax’s god was the previous host of the Elden Ring (as he, their consort, is Elden Lord), I’m curious what the geographic location of Farum Azula originally was. Maybe it too was located near that impact crater? This theory of Marika being the Silver Tear Lord the Nox were trying to create is…interesting. The main reason I don’t quite buy it is that the Nox were opposed to the Greater Will, so it doesn’t make all that sense to me for them to make something that could be an Empyrean for it. Not to mention she is called a Nox or Numen, and those are a type of humans rather than these silver homunculi. That is the most fascinating theory about why Placidusax’s body is in the way it is. As I indicated earlier though, Placidusax is Elden Lord and had a different god who he’s waiting the return of, so I’m 99% sure he wasn’t the host of the Elden Ring in his time. I’m convinced that the soulless demigods are both other demigods who died in the Night of the Black Knives and the members of the Golden Lineage between Godwyn and Godrick. The demigods don’t seem to age after reaching adulthood, and yet everyone descended from Godwyn is totally missing from the game save for his extremely distant descendant Godrick (who may as well just be a normal human). Don’t think Godwyn is designed to look like the basilisks, rather I think they redesigned the basilisks to reflect Godwyn’s appearance. The theory that Marika’s Tarnished plan was an answer to Those Who Live in Death just can’t work unfortunately. Everything we’re told suggests the Night of the Black Knives happened after Godfrey was exiled as the first Tarnished, since Miquella was born after that and Miquella knew Godwyn before his death. It's only briefly mentioned at the end but I do think this is the most tenuous part of the video. Would be very interesting in seeing a video on Goldmask’s ending and where Sophie disagrees with his solution, because to me that feels like the best ending with Ranni’s coming in second. The problem with Ranni’s ending to me is that it feels like (plus nearly all of the problems present in the world, as this video itself poitns out, are more Marika’s fault than the Greater Will’s).

[@davideo7286]

Really great video, it's always fun to listen to the two of you! One thing I wanted to discuss was the other "corpse" of Godwyn under Stormveil. Like Sophie mentioned, then there are several occurrences throughout the game where where his influence through death manifests itself. In places like the catacombs with the tendrill like trees that also have his eyes, the crabs with the resemblance to his face and eyes as well, and like Sophie mentioned the basilisks sharing similarities; which are reminiscent of Dark Souls' Nito/basilisk connections. I Haven't seen it mentioned before But the game implies to me that while Godwyn's physical body is placed under Leyndel, the other "corpse" under Stormveil marks the spot the assassination took place. Stormveil castle is uniquely cursed with deathblight as seen by the thorns burrowing through the actual castle. Rogier calls the corpse there, "a relic of that dire plot." I initially thought it was made of stone or tree but if you attack it it bleeds. There's also pretty much his whole corpse Is under Stormveil as well but a lot of it is obscured by rubble. With a torch out or some glowing stones you can see the there's much more to it in that location than just a face. It seems that the assassination occurred in Stormviel and afterwards his body was taken for tree burial. The other corpse left behind curses the castle and the spot the ritual took place. This is all pre Shattering , meaning that godrick has not laid claim to the castle yet. Godfrey long ago defeated the Stormlord and continued south and took Castle Mourne. With him becoming Elden Lord he would not need to rule Stormveil and Limgrave alone and may have given the castle to his son Godwyn, which would put Godwyn in Stormveil when the assassination occurs. It's also just south of Carian Manor for Ranni to send her riders to Stormveil while she went east to the Divine Tower for her part.

[@philipearakaki]

The best part is when Marika showed up and said "It's dyin' time" and broke the Elden ring

[@gerradkp]

I could not have anticipated how much I would love this video. I watched your Bloodborne iceberg, which is really great, but the pixel art, humor, interplay between the two of you... great stuff. Sometimes being an adult makes me lose sight and forget the degree of my neediness. This video truly reawakened that awareness, and made me very surprised I ever lost my virginity, cuz I am a huge dork

[@SinclairLore]

thanks gerrard!!!

[@aaronwinrock8164]

35:06 Unless its a Herpes sore... thats definitely worse... A scar is painless a sore is an inflamed wound filled with pus... Please remember to wear protection everyone. Even if you only get down once every ten years, you definitely don't want to press your luck... Everyone talks about the physical aspect of SDTs but the psychological damage they have on the people who get them should not be understated.

[@editor8394]

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you guys are so good. 100% my favourite souls lore channel. I can put these on and game forever. the longer the better.

[@SinclairLore]

Wow, thank you!

[@glb1993]

Queen Marika was like "I'm going to make my own order! With black jack... And hookers!"

[@nobodycruise106]

basically what Nito and/or souls of death should have been in Dark souls

[@kreadapelu8813]

I was under the impression that the statue of someone sheltering two younger people was a depiction of Marika demonstrating maternal care for her youngest, cursed children as they cry because of the pitiful torment of their curses.

[@Hugo_Tate]

Goldwyn is positioned in the same way he was when he was being held by the night rider ladies on the night he was killed. you can see it in the beginning slide show. I forget their names because its been awhile since ive played the game but yea. just saying in response to you saying that his body is just a bunch of random assets put together lol I also found that hilarious. I loved this video. now gonna watch everything else on your channel

[@SinclairLore]

aw you very sweet! I recommend starting with our Dark Souls 2 Playlist :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHqzhmVqeLRsbpY

[@wolandisdead]

@sinclairlore regarding marika being a mimic tear, you may also want to check out the mimic’s veil item description which is also known as “Marika’s mischief”

[@wolandisdead]

Messed up that tag. Oof

[@Taylor-ck1gh]

I think it's more likely the Eternal Cities were above ground initially, and the Nox/Numen were brought with Marika to the Lands Between by the Greater Will. When they had slain a Two Fingers I think Greater Will yeeted Astel at them, and it's gravity powers is why they're below ground under false stars.

[@bartmongiello]

Something to think about. Do we think that Godwin is taking on different aspects of animals because he’s buried on the roots of the great tree? Like other beings borne of the crucible.

[@Agentlefox]

Its notable to me that Godfrey comes from the badlands, or part of the lands outside, Radagon has some unclear ties to the Giants, what could be attributed to "the lands above," Marika likely comes from "The Lands Below", and then Rennala is actually the one directly tied to The Lands Between. Just further deepens the Tragedy of her story(as much as not obtaining that level of royalty can be considered tragedy of course) and continues to expose various levels of plotting on Marika's part.

[@njorlpinipini]

I think where Melina/GEQ fits into this is that she *is* the rune of death, in the same sense that Marika is the Elden Ring. I think when Melina is talking about her "mother," she's not talking about Marika, she's talking about the Elden Ring itself. Basically, I think the timeline went like this: 1. Marika removes death from the elden ring and just throws it out initially 2. The rune of death becomes/is acquired by the Gloam-Eyed-Queen who starts her campaign of militant atheism 3. Marika goes "Oh shit" and sends Maliketh to steal back the Rune of Death and eat it 4. Maliketh does that, without the rune the Gloam eyed Queen is little more than a stray consciousness without memories or purpose 5?. Ranni kills herself, but in casting off her own form she allows Melina to appropriate it for herself

[@yamisarkar91]

Loved the aunt queen joke . woo that was a lot to take in. love how it ties with Merika plan

[@Kid_Naps]

you guys snarking on Maliketh was one of the funniest thing xD poor dog, you kept roasting him like middle school children wtf xd

[@SinclairLore]

lmao

[@egoborder3203]

when Sin says, "Hi everyone" are we all supposed to say, "Hi Sin" I've been doing it, but I'm not sure

[@SinclairLore]

Yes!

[@davidgomez3044]

The ants which drop numen runes are the queens. Queen Marika is said to be numen. Maybe to be “numen” just means “of queen blood”

[@davidgomez3044]

Numen seem closely related to femininity or matriarchy. The Black Knives are scions of the matriarchal Eternal Cities.

[@davidgomez3044]

Totally agree that Marika is a mimic. There is cut content regarding a quest with a Silver Tear who would have lived within our body. An item from that quest noted that “Asimi” (the silver tear) grants strength to its “host”. Asimi fusing with the player and granting us strength fits perfectly with Marika’s lingering words to Radagon: “Thou’rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god.” This was the moment just before Marika fused with Radagon just as Asimi would have fused with the player.

[@wes_crawford]

4:34 cue the Steve Rogers “I understood that reference” gif

[@puzzleheaded6195]

My theory comes from “The Beast Eye” which we receive from Gurranq, aka Maliketh the Black Blade. I believe this eye belonged to the Gloam Eyed Queen aka Marika the Eternal. The short version is that judging from Iji and Ranni’s dialogue, we know that when each Empyrean are chosen by their two fingers, they are given a shadow that will turn into a horrid curse should they ever betray the Greater Will. How do they know this? They must’ve seen it happen. The only other recorded Empyrean with a shadow in history is Marika and when she began to plot against the Greater Will(Enia mentioning her trespass), I believe Maliketh activated his kill switch and used Destined Death against her hence why she’s crucified with a spear bearing similar traits to the power of his Black Blade(It channels the same brilliance of the black flame and Blaidd’s eyes glow red at the end of Ranni’s questline, possibly explaining the red hue). It would explain why her corpse is missing her left eye, why the eye has a claw mark, and is surrounded by Marika’s stony flesh. Another question I asked myself is just how Maliketh was able to possess or lock away the Rune of Death if he’s just a shadowbound and not a demigod? The answer is simple, he sealed Marika inside him who actually was a vessel for the Rune of Death. This also explains the diminished power of the Godskins since they received their power from her, the Queen of Death and also why Hewg is tasked with creating God slaying weapons for her. Maliketh only channels the same power from his Black Blade which is made from Marika’s torn half that leads to her missing eye where I speculate the stone covered Beast Eye/Gloam Eye originated from(keep in mind at which side of her face). Her corpse is likely dead since it’s impaled, her other half being sealed into Maliketh, meaning the Beast Eye that writhes could be the only part of her that still “alive”. Ew. Melina reveals to have the same eye, on the same side of her face in the lord of frenzy ending. Her previously Golden Eye loses its color because the Golden Order is no more and Grace is gone. Also interesting to note is that her Blade of Calling is fashioned after a Godskin Peeler.

[@HoneyDoll894]

So i'm pretty sure that when maliketh says that marika betrayed him, was what happened after the black knives plot. Because prior to that the rune of death wasn't in maliketh's body, it was his sword. and its then that the black knives manage to steal a bit of it, and then marika punishes maliketh for it, and to me its a bit unclear if maliketh himself or marika forces it, but the rune of death goes inside maliketh's body now. That's why he stabs himself in the fight, saying that the rune of death will "become my sword once more". I think when the stealing death thing happened is when maliketh realized that marika wasn't interested him in any other way than just using him as a tool, and she seems to have punished him quite heavily afterwards with the whole deathroot thing. Another thing which i'm not quite sure about, but it seems that the elden ring was given multiple times to civilizations. The farum azula people seem to be the first ones who got it, as there are lore bits that state that having five fingers was a symbol of intelligence "granted to" them

[@beansnrice321]

Omg, the Elana digs. XD

[@platypuspracticus2]

Quick clarification: our Earth is Earth-1218, not 616. Cheers.

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

Sophie fake fan confirmed😞

[@pernikarnassian8064]

39:54 now this is interesting - may we hear Sophie's thoughts about what Godwyn was actually *supposed* to look like/what his form in the game was meant to be (in the case it was meant to be something at all instead of hastily mashed-together assets).

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

I suspect that the reason for the fish tail is that the model was originally buried up to its waist, similar to the one under Stormveil, and they needed to cover the lack of legs with something (the one under Stormveil has legs, they're just obscured by the pile of rocks). No idea who donated the tail, but there's concept art of an unused character who has fish scales on his clothing, so there might have been some more sea monster stuff in there earlier.

[@pernikarnassian8064]

@@sophie.m.pilbeam Thanks for answering, Sophie - very intriguing! May I inquire about the concept art of the unused character? The only one I'm aware of is the "Project Great Rune" one, which featured a character with a wide-brimmed hat and some sort of string instrument (seemed to me a proto-Rogier or Rhico the St. Trina worshipper, perhaps.)

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

@@pernikarnassian8064 Yeah, that's the one. It's the Ragged Set (which is dummied out now, but people have data mined), but the colouration is very blue / white and it looks like they're covered in slime.

[@gilvanvieira1815]

Godwyn body being made of multiple different meshes is probably just a technical thing,he is very big,similar objects are also made the same way.But yeah he resembles a basilisk.

[@okeneko5768]

godwyn as a giant basilisk, truly this game is darksouls II 2 😂

[@wes_crawford]

42:44 I’ve also wondered the same thing about that ending as well

[@M00nSlippers]

Sin and Sophie deliver again!

[@SinclairLore]

thank u!

[@Hoogalindo]

Marika had something to do with the Erdtree's creation? I thought the Elden Ring/Elden Beast crashed into The Crucible which sprouted the Erdtree.

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

We don't 100% know. The reason we're going with that is down to three things: 1) Godfrey and his knights encountered the Crucible, and the Crucible is said to be the "primordial form" of the Erdtree. If we take that to mean that the Crucible became / created the Erdtree, then Godfrey & co were around before the Erdtree grew. Contact with the Crucible also creates the Misbegotten, and there's no Misbegotten in the prior civilisations, which also suggests there's no Crucible contact pre-Golden Order. However, it's entirely possible that the Crucible *is* something distinct from the Erdtree, and they just found the Crucible after the Erdtree was already growing. I don't think that's ruled out, but I am going to lean toward Marika's involvement due to the next two points, especially the third one. 2) The Eternal Cities and Farum Azula were ruled over by the Greater Will, but there's no Erdtree growth there (apart from a single phantom tree in Nokstella) and they don't use it as a design motif anywhere. That suggests the Greater Will's presence there predated the Erdtree existing, or at least that the Erdtree was insignificant at the time. The Nameless City has Erdtree growth, but it's full of Golden Order interference (Siluria, Godwyn, gargoyles) and not a "control group" like the others. 3) Marika is obsessed with protecting and nurturing the Erdtree, and talks about her new world as the "Age of the Erdtree", as if it didn't matter / exist before (which seems likely, since the other civilisations don't appear to acknowledge it).She also talks about creating "an epoch glistening with life", which suggests (but not definitively) she's messing with the Crucible, since that's repeatedly called the source of life. Miquella, who's presented as trying to address the flaws in Marika's Golden Order, also tries to grow his own Erdtree, which suggests (again, not definitively) that he's following in her footsteps by doing what she did. So my take on it is either that Marika literally shaped the Erdtree from the Crucible (which explains why her husband's followers had direct contact with it, and the Lands Between get cursed by the Misbegotten as punishment) OR she found a less powerful version of it that she helped grow into the huge thing we have now. Either way, I'd say it's definitely "her" tree in some way. DLC / sequels might introduce new information, of course.

[@sethjuice]

How does the gloam eyed queen/godskins fit into all this? I thought they were also a motivating factor for Marika grinding up death and feeding it to her dog.

[@sethjuice]

Also the expanded elden ring rune in FA - could that be the elden ring before flame was taken out? Like maybe the golden order envoys used to be a whole hand, but then Placidusax et al took out flame the same way Marika took out death, and that vestigial remnant became frenzied flame. It just bugs me that the frenzied flame uses a finger representative the same way the golden order does. I realize it's probably from an earlier version of the plot.

[@soarel325]

They explicitly left the GEQ/Godskin stuff out of this, it was a motivating factor but they're going to be covered in a separate video I think

[@Gnome-kc7pr]

God this channel and editing is perfect

[@SinclairLore]

ty ;-;

[@skippycoulter]

Sophie doing an Aussie accent was so surreal given she already sounds Australian

[@chopsandtoots]

Is she not?! I've been wrong this whole time then hahaha

[@skippycoulter]

@@chopsandtoots Oh she definitely is! Moths the size of bats have invaded her home before - at least according to the podcast!

[@chopsandtoots]

@@skippycoulter I'd say that's terrifying but I have a huge love of moths :)

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

@@chopsandtoots This is absolutely true, they flap around when I turn the light off and knock things off shelves.

[@chopsandtoots]

@@sophie.m.pilbeam I want a powerful moth like that for a companion 😍

[@jarosawerdanowski4295]

Thanks for this video, best way to start a day.

[@yfullman]

I still don't get why a world without death needs Empyrean heirs. I think Marika and the Greater Will have been have been plotting against each other from the beginning. Neither can directly move against the other without curtailing their own power. Godwyn's death didn't drive Marika to the brink. True believer Godwyn was just the first casualty in Marika's war against the Greater Will.

[@lordanonimmo7699]

Probably because no matter what a age will end naturally,therr will be divisions and adiministration problems,rivals to Marika will be formed and one day will take power from her in someway. So its better renovate the empyreans to always guarantee the greater will stays in power.

[@gergelymacsai3776]

I believe that the Greater Will likes to change its avatars on colonized worlds from time to time, perhaps precisely because of what happens to Marika: she figures out the whole parasitic deal and wants to have none of it. Free will can't exist with a Greater Will around, not truly, and lesser beings will inevitably strive for getting rid of a cosmic overlord. The Gloam Eyed Queen should have been the replacement, quite an early one at that, but with her gone and Death removed, perhaps it was Godwyn the true believer as you say up next. Since it is implied that Marika secretly didn't like Godwyn despite keeping up pretenses as to the opposite (hell, I don't think she liked any of her children from Godfrey), it makes sense for her to be involved in a plot to kill him. Maybe what pushed her over the brink wasn't that Godwyn died but that he didn't truly die and is in a horrid state between life and death; and of course the fact that Ranni played her to get out of her situation entirely.

[@soarel325]

@@gergelymacsai3776 As far as we can tell the only people the Greater Will controls or influences the will of are the Empyreans it wants to succeed the current host/avatar. Not to mention it only really cares that its Order is allowed to proliferate, not what people do with it - it’s not so much a “cosmic overlord” robbing people of free will as much as it is like a corporate body letting its self-owned stores operate however they want so long as they keep the store running and profits flowing in.

[@princepixel1]

DEATH in the LANDS BETWEEN!!! (GONE WRONG!!)

[@suzumiBreizh]

This should be the title

[@soarel325]

[GONE SEXUAL] [GOLDEN ORDER FUNDAMENTALISTS CALLED]

[@obamabiden]

i think one item description implies farum azula is Placidusax's mausoleum

[@OliviaOnline]

Really great episode!!

[@SinclairLore]

Thanks!

[@corwin32]

The Greater Will may be on to something. “Join the New World Order and get a free dog” is a proposal I haven’t heard before.

[@snifffffff]

The marika or radagon being mimics thing really seems to have weight when you think about how they get turned into a weird metal goo sword

[@Gnome-kc7pr]

This channel is so good i cant stop listening to your darn voices

[@SinclairLore]

No u

[@archite001]

hello! thank you for the lore videos :D

[@Mechamore]

Great video❤

[@dariofloreani6532]

I absolutely love you twosoppie is amazing

[@BitterCoffee04]

What weirds me out immensely is that the design of the elden ring in farum azula has a perfect depiction of the corruption rune from bloodborne in it And it might be miquellas piece possibly his needle is very similar too which uuh.. That's another can of worms 🫠 Annalise 2.0 confirmed lol

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

I'm wondering if it's a symbol that (in ER-verse) wards off Outer Gods, because Farum Azula seems free of them and Miquella is trying to ward them off.

[@BitterCoffee04]

@@sophie.m.pilbeam it could very well be the case imo too, because thinking about it the only outer influence is in placidusax area where time stops, and coincidentally it is also the only place where Miquellas needle works(it is also possible that the other outer God that has cursed miquella is that one specifically since is body stopped aging, and could potentially explain miquellas talent for growing giant trees with his blood since the caduceus similarity still stands I think).Whereas in leyndell especially there is at least another outer God in the basement waiting to overthrow the greater will. That fits with that argument that removing pieces from the original was a not so great idea after all.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@hopebringer2348]

We love you Sophie and Sin!

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

We love you too!

[@SinclairLore]

Sorry I have a boyfriend.

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

@@SinclairLore IT'S OVER

[@SinclairLore]

@@sophie.m.pilbeam XD

[@hopebringer2348]

Why did I never notice how badly I got destroyed here

[@suzumiBreizh]

I came for lore and got a psychological profiling of Marika. Noice

[@aaronwinrock8164]

I have a fun theory. Hmm a Mother Goddess who is from a Race of people from another world whose symbol is a Glowing Tree, Light and Life. I always theorized that Izalith was Gwynavere's mother, whats Izaliths symbol? Tree roots and life, whats Gwyns symbol? the Sun and light. Gwynavere is famous for having lots of kids and probablyhusbands, who has lots of kids and atleasttwo husbands? Marika... where did Gwynavere go? she left no one knows. Where is Marika and her long lived golden haired people from? no one knows. What do sites of Grace look like? Humanity Sprites made of Light. Marika is Gwynavere confirmed. Okay hear me out I know that none of that explains the Greater Will but... like the First Flame? Perhaps when a God is born between two different fundamental laws of reality then the universe compensates by creating an Outer God to match? I know, i know probably not but its fun to think about atleast... Atleast we get closures on whatever happened to Gwynavere. unless Gwyndolin and Gwynavere were like Radagon and Marika just being two aspects of the same being doin their own things. Radagon had red hair, Gwynavere has red hair, Gwyndolin is Platinum blonde ((actually white but they say blonde alot in anime when they clearly have white hair so w.e)), Marika is Blonde.... Its definitely not the case and probably just Miyazaki carrying over ideas he resonates with but still. You cant deny the parallels... he loves his parallels...

[@georgerolandallen]

love 44:46 to the end. real deep lore

[@insertedgynamehere___969]

Well, now I'm just curious what you think post dlc

[@SinclairLore]

It’s coming.

[@piotr78]

​@@SinclairLore🎊

[@ValentinParkourGaming]

that was awesome thanks

[@FishBoneD14]

I thought mushroom not fish for Goldwyn

[@WAR3600]

Why would the black knifes Numens kill Godwyn in Ranni's plot if they were close, probably servants of Marika? That's a part of the plot I don't understand, because of that I assumed that his death was part of Marika's plan to defy the Golden Order and corrupt it from inside with death

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

I'm taking "close ties" to mean that they're all Numen, and that the line there to strengthen the Marika / Underground / Death connection. Marika's plan is vaguely alluded to as having something to do with the Tanished being stuck in eternal conflict (I still don't quite understand what her endgame is), but not Godwyn's murder, which is Ranni's doing.

[@WAR3600]

@@sophie.m.pilbeam yes, you probably is right, but just one more thing I remember is that one Black Knife is guarding Marika chamber when we get there, once again giving me the impression that they serve her but I don't know for sure if this has any basis. Anyway, you as always are miles ahead on discovering the lore of those games so thanks! I am looking forward to see a video about the Farm Azula because that place is so confusing, I honestly don't understand much about it

[@sophie.m.pilbeam]

@@WAR3600 I think that Black Knife probably killed all the dead Finger Readers on the bridge. It gets confusing because the Fingers have their own assassins who use red-black flame and look like Blaidd (I thought they *were* Blaidd for ages), plus the confessor ones. We have two episodes recorded that we're editing now. One is on Radagon and Imperfection (like how this is on Marika and Death), and the other is about artificial life. I want to talk about Farum Azula but, like you said, it's very confusing, so I'm wondering if we'll learn more through a DLC.

[@thelongpatrol7457]

not me trying to press the skip ad button in the fake ad

[@SinclairLore]

hehe

[@edge1710]

Somewhere someone is not completely telling the truth. either Marika is not a Numen or the fact that they are seldom born (that they don't have babies often.) is a lie cause Marika has a ton of offspring.

[@benhramiak8781]

I like the pixel art of marika

[@benhramiak8781]

Doesn't dung eater's ending make everyone an omen?

[@themanwithtomanyeyes8282]

Koszej Deathless is the Lich. Prove me wrong.

[@dialaskisel5929]

Frenzied Flame ending is the best ending. It makes things warm and we can all hang out together in oneness until we get bored and create a new world. Besides, when your hair catches fire it looks hilarious. So says I, anyway...

[@nolanbrewer877]

Elana the crypto Queen

[@Matrim42]

Ranni doesn’t necessarily have you kill her dog. Just leave him in the Evergaol, problem solved.

[@arborwin]

Godwin confirmed for Fiji mermaid???

[@K8theKind]

I kept trying to press the skip button

[@SinclairLore]

You could if the site were made with today's sponsor, Squarespace!

[@K8theKind]

@@SinclairLore 😂🤣💀

[@necromanticer169]

A scar is worse than an open sore? What kind of reasoning is that?

[@SinclairLore]

"Sores heal but scars stay there" was my reasoning. But yeah, clearly a sore hurts more.

[@necromanticer169]

@Sinclair Lore Okay, you're taking sore as implicitly recoverable. I thought the scar was supposed to be a faded scar from the same source as that sore. A sore that did heal but didn't leave; it faded into a scar. It's a more direct escalation if you consider the sore is the open, recovering stage of a wound while the scar that is left is the closed, recovered wound. One is aggravated and energetic while the other is still present, but explicitly not active or changing. One state is ephemeral/contemporary and powerful; the other state is permanent and subdued. Fire and cold... 🤷‍♂️

[@Malikmann24]

I absolutely LOVE these fake advertisements 😂😂 pure gold

[@SinclairLore]

XDDDD

[@ethanrumley746]

You are irreplaceably charming

[@SinclairLore]

[@Adamhasreadabook]

I tried to click ''Skip ads'' I might need sleep

[@qwertyuiop42385]

Am I the only one that thinks that this game's story is kind of just a riff on Kill la Kill in a way? It's not as sexy obv but...

[@kirbytaylor8629]

Oh yeah, it's eld'n time B^]

[@jolteontrainer7489]

o gawd, planet twitter xD planet KZbin only for me xP

[@HundredType]

6:03 , LMAOO 🤣🤣

[@SinclairLore]

XD

[@HundredType]

@@SinclairLore That independence day bit literally made my day tysm

[@SinclairLore]

@@HundredType aww ty for ur kind words! glad u liked it :)

[@FrankGallows]

Numants

[@rayreid-or3wl]

💜

[@arcmen2275]

There is no starting again with the frenzy.

[@aaronwinrock8164]

15.7k subs is not enough for videos that are both informative and fun to listen to, does the Soulsborne community hate fun? Actually that makes sense... maybe you guys should try negging the community perhaps then these joyless masochists will start paying attention? A lil tough love, some name calling, start beef with another creator. Nothing stirs up views like controversy :3

[@EE-jp5ev]

Algorithm feeding comment

[@SinclairLore]

ty!

[@EE-jp5ev]

@@SinclairLore of course! Been a regular watcher/listener since 2018 and a patron for over a year :) happy to do my part!

[@EE-jp5ev]

@@SinclairLore second comment for extra algorithm push

[@Nasc3nt_Butt3rfly]

Excellent video!

[@SinclairLore]

Thank you very much!