Shelix Cutterhead Upgrade for my Kity 636 Jointer/Planer

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Installing this cutterhead was quite an adventure!
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[@MariusHornberger]

Please watch the video first before you comment!

[@johannes5219]

I won't! I know, I'm a rebel 😉

[@MrWizards1974]

Where did you get the belt?

[@CarlSuttondogmatic69]

Why is the sound so bad, usually you were spot on. Either cant hear anything or its blasting the windows out my office

Dismantling this type of machinery is very complicated, but when you know how to do your own maintenance is cheaper ... the only problem is if you perfer in the middle of so many parts. Congratulations on your skills. I'm from Brazil and I follow him a long time.

[@MariusHornberger]

Online, I just searched for Poly-V belts

[@dieterjosef]

So viel Können, so viele Kenntnisse, so viel Werkzeug, um das alles anzuwenden. Großartig.

[@moninum]

Aber nichts zum schmieren :(

[@KGSoloman2000]

Hey Marius, thanks a lot for posting this vid. I recently inherited a kity 635 from my long since passed away dad. It had a broken bearing on the cutter head and I had no idea how to fix that. Your video gave me lots of good ideas on how to dismantle the 635 and change the bearing. I didn't expect to find anything you've on the subject but you gave me just what I needed. Thanks a lot man and keep up the good work!

[@Zerostar369]

That machine is beautiful. I know it was not worth it in the end to upgrade but Im glad I got to see the process and how you worked through the challenges. This is exactly the type of project Patreon backing makes possible on KZbin. There have been countless instances on many channels I follow where a project would not have happened without Patreon. This video and the trials and tribulations covered herein will help many people whether it be working on this machine specifically or on similar machines. Thank you Marius and Dad!

[@MariusHornberger]

Thanks, but in my opinion the upgrade was totally worth it

[@Zerostar369]

@@MariusHornberger Oh okay. I guess I just figured it wasn't worth it because you said you wouldn't recommend doing this upgrade on this type of machine.

[@talegunner115]

That is really great that your father was able to assist you with this project. Hey I would have loved to watch the turning of the part.

[@mattcable6379]

I have to give it to you chap - well done! Really, this is impressive for anyone let alone a younger man like you. Brilliant!

[@holdemNE1]

Money well spent..............but what an incredible pain. I was getting frustrated just watching. Way to fight through to the end. Special thanks to your dad for helping.

[@eugenedaniels5925]

I live in Amarillo Texas. And I love watching your videos. So impressed with your knowledge. Keep giving us videos.

[@saleemalkinani3496]

You have done a great job Thank so much . I learned a lot from this video. I like your honesty of telling us the dark side of the the process, so I have got a clear picture of such upgrading and should we prepare for.

[@MariusHornberger]

I think it's very important to tell the dark side ( or as some call it: the truth)

[@byonbill9499]

Patience, patience you have it my friend. Dropping screws does not warrant an out take, it is a normal part of life.

[@horacerumpole6912]

On the INCA 560 J/P, the cutterhead is independent of the yokes that carry the feed rollers, and can be removed without disturbing them. When KITY copied it, obviously they took a shortcut by tying them all together. Pulling the cutterhead on the INCA is a 1 hour job.

[@user-bj2br6id4e]

Ich kann es nicht glauben, das du das gemacht hast 😊💪 Top Video und so eine gute Idee

[@watahyahknow]

been looking intoo that type of drum before , good thing about it is if you nick one line of blades you dont have to regrind all of them the only bad thing that was noticed by someone is that because the blades are in a spiral they allways have resistance angainst the wood its planing (you can hear it when running it as it isnt a vibrating sound but a more constand tone) that does mean the motor driving the planer is under a more constand torque and hasnt got a chance to regain speed if the motor is too weak , i dont think youre machine will giove you problem as it seems to be a quality machine but the lesser brands might need to have a stronger motor installed

[@WobblycogsUk]

Very interesting video. I recently took my machine apart to replace the infeed and outfeed rollers and I considered upgrading to an shelix head in the process. I'm sure it produces a wonderful cut but the head would have been more expensive than my machine so I didn't feel I could really justify it. I took the compromise position of just buying some straight carbide knives, they last like carbine but are cheap like HSS (they are about 3 times the price but last easily 3 times longer).

[@ukulelefatman]

Ambitious project. Hats off to your Dad pitching in.

[@alexfuerst]

Really cool modifications 👍👌😀

[@Strubsch]

The Perfect Setup for a Machine...

[@nikearth]

Seems like you opened Pandora's Box there ... and closed it successfully. Great job.

[@jonasfelleki8374]

Thank you Marius, for saving me from upgrading my Kity planer/thicknesser combo. I'll go with a new spiral head machine instead, when that time comes. :-) Very good and informative video, thou!

[@geoden]

Excellent video Marius! I will become a patreon supporter for you.

[@josephyuven862]

Excellent work mr Marius.I like it.

[@improprietary1]

I was getting worried about your woodworking background right until i saw the clamps! :o)

[@itwillbenicewhenitsfinished]

Brilliant and well done dad

[@TheWalkmanBlog]

roller coaster ride from start to end

[@nicolycrispi3134]

AMAZING! So much work! Kudos

[@cjl76]

Dads are awesome :)

[@nathanduitch2521]

Is there something I can measure to see if my Kity 1637 would have the same issue? The infeed roller is this same design. It's tough going from a helical head jointer back to straight blades and dealing with the chip out when the grain changes directions. I usually keep parts slightly larger and run them through my drum sander anyways. Thanks for the video.

[@EverythingIsPhysics]

What did you think about the change to the V-belt? More power? I'm impressed by your persistence. I feel these kinds of headache tinkering projects are most enjoyable years later when you think back on it. I bought an Inca 570 to fix this winter, and it looks somewhat similar to yours. Thanks for the video!

[@MariusHornberger]

The old flat belt was slipping when not tensioned really hard. And it had to be aligned exactly. A lot of work I didn't show when I got the machine. I also want to use these belts again for other projects and this was a good test run. And the old Pulley didn't fit on the new cutterhead.

[@samphire]

Leftovers are called whizz washers, because they go whizz when you throw them away! :) Nice upgrade, how long did this all actually take?

[@MariusHornberger]

It took about two months with vacation breaks and me being sick

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Lol this project took so long to do that you can see the clear difference in the length of your hair at the beginning and end!

[@corin164]

Marius, I own a DeWalt DW735 planner which I'm led to believe does not require extensive teardown to install the Shelix cutterhead, however the cost is a major concern for me. In your opinion, would you still recommend this upgrade use considering its cost and quality cut?

[@CerebralOrigami]

I am curious as to why you didn't turn the grooves into the original small pulley and why you cut the grooves so deep. I would have thought you would want to match the belt profile exactly. I understand the knurled one spreads the force out more evenly, but wouldn't a spiral in-feed roller still leave diagonal marks? Thank you for the awesome videos!

[@MariusHornberger]

The old pulley didn't fit on the new cutterhead. Diameter difference of 0,1mm... The V-profile has to be turned like we did, otherwise, the little V's of the belt wouldn't make enough contact. You always have these gaps. The diagonal marks an infeed roller would leave, get planed away.

[@CerebralOrigami]

Thanks!

[@paulkrainer2905]

Sind die holzschrauben von den alten räder?

[@bramhijman4829]

Very good and nice video, thanks !!

[@yoannhamon1078]

Wooo Amazing job 👍👍👍👍

[@Blagger3000]

What a nightmare. A well managed nightmare though, well done.

[@Bukaj.Alawrak]

What is cutting diameter of this kity 636 drum ?

[@Puppet-dp3zw]

Ich bin mir nicht sicher aber ich glaube es ist auch so gut wie unmöglich die Lager unbeschädigt zu entfernen

[@remcohamersma6436]

maybe the wood screws are from the wheels you swapped out :)

[@dangermartin69]

I can't wait to see the look on your face when your parents say those two dreaded words to you: "We're moving"!

[@giuseppepantini8702]

GENIO

[@senarathbandara7143]

Mr, Marius i am senarath from sri lanka l like waching your videos often you hav a good talent for all these works l also have a metal work shop and l am going to make spiral cutter heds for planers so can you help me to buy carbide tips for them from your country if so it will be a great help me to sucsus my ambition. These tips are not available in sri lanka l can pay you the amount for them the first quantity is 100 tips i wish to buy .plese concider my request thank you so much.

[@MariusHornberger]

Hi, I'm sorry, but I don't sell anything. Search and buy from a manufacturer.

[@senarathbandara7143]

Thank you so much for sending me a reply

[@nickjm37fordel1]

What make and model are your calipers ?

[@MariusHornberger]

I don't know, it came with another machine, but it's no special calipers

[@pappyman179]

Serious props for follow-through. When you found the roller problem, my stomach just rolled over and my heart sank. I've been there more times than I'd like on a frustrating project and it's just so dis-heartening. I don't know if you're that cheerful in real life, but you had good camera-face. :-) Stiff upper lip and all that. Also, thank your dad personally for me. Just turning the v-groove hub was a lot of work, then you had to bother him for the roller too. It was appreciated by a great many people as well as his son, I'm sure.

[@saleemalkinani3496]

Very nice words

[@MariusHornberger]

Indeed very nice words! I did off camera tests first, but actually stayed pretty calm when I noticed that big issue... But my dad also really likes figuring out solutions to problems. There's nothing that can't be fixed!

[@markanne54]

'Stiff upper lip' - does that make Marius an honorary Brit? :)

[@pappyman179]

It was intended just to get a cheap chuckle, but if you can find a Brit to give him honorary status, so much the better! I can only make him an honorary 'merican, and that position has been heavily devalued lately. ;-)

[@northerndarklight5305]

Yeah, Marius. Your machine appeared to be very difficult to work on. I also replaced the cutter head on my jointer with the Shelix head, and while it was not a walk in the park, it was much less trouble than you had. Mine was a Delta jointer, and it took about four hours total, working by myself, using only a gear puller and a few hand tools. Setting up was also much easier, since I didn't have to remove the infeed and outfeed tables. You and your dad did an excellent job, one that most people could not have attempted.

[@dangermartin69]

His machine was so much harder because it's such a good machine, and also dual purpose.

[@daveweber1331]

Incredible. The old men that made that machine would rise up and shake your hand with respect, if they could, I'm sure! You took a used piece of history, and with the help of your father, brought it into the new millennium! The fond memories you made with your Dad are worth the price of admission alone. Every time you use that machine, and run your fingers over that super-smooth finish the Shelix make, a part of you will remember those hours spent with your father... An incredible project! Kudos, for working through all the challenges. Thanks for sharing this!

[@MiesvanderLippe]

Claiming one of those screws in the cutter-head to be my contribution ;)

[@MRrwmac]

Marius, absolutely fantastic work you two did bringing new life to the old machine! I’m sure you and your father enjoy working together! As a father myself, I know he is very proud of his son!

[@whirled_peas]

This is incredible. I think what I love more is the dedication to the end goal. You didn't need a V-belt but you put all that effort in. More people need this attitude! Well, no doubt the incentive is partially that you're producing high quality content as a result, but I like to imagine you would go to these lengths regardless of the camera. Can I ask, how long did it take to get your custom cutter head? - Oh sorry, your video addresses this (4 months for anyone reading). Just so you know, you can order from byrd directly and can do a custom cutterhead order, possibly would have been quicker.

[@sblack48]

You can cut aluminum very easily on a table saw with a carbide blade. No need to use a hack saw.

[@garcj108]

LOL! left over screws! That was funny! Amazing work as always!

[@therealpanse]

9:39 I waited for a AvE-style "click" sound there...

[@recklessroges]

me too! I have the same brain infection from AvE as you!!!

[@therealpanse]

Uncle Bumblefuck is addictive

[@Ravenousjoe]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one. I even said it out loud, alone. Lol

[@dasstackenblochen9250]

Phew, 750 € is mighty expensive just for a cutter head. And looking at 630 mm shelix heads, they are 1500-3000 €, which is also still more expensive than a complete 630 mm machine. So I'm not *quite* sure who the target market here is -- I don't think any hobbyists want to afford that, we don't have the production volume that makes sharpening and setting knifes a big problem, and a few licks with a handplane will clean up the surface better than any milling machine can do it, regardless of cutter head.

[@manfredschmalbach9023]

Thing is, if You should happen to hit something unwanted inside Your planer, You change four to eight inserts and restart. Building and rebuilding boats, coaches and sleds I gotta work with a lot of "preloved", "used" aka already plentily nailed and screwed wood, so hitting metal with the planer is a recurrent incident in my shop, and even without having industrial turnover this actually might be cheaper in the long run given how much time I put in refining and replacing my blades.

[@akquicksilver]

The press fit you mentioned is actually known as an interference fit. Great video. I installed the Shelix head in my DeWalt 735 planer and it was not nearly as involved as your upgrade.

[@tristanpatterson3843]

This is what every woodworker discovers after their machines start wearing out. First comes the metal lathe, then the mill, then you're an amateur machinist who can woodwork with the best of them.

[@LetsBastel]

Bei meiner Kity Bandsäge ist das mit den Lagern GENAU SO gelöst.....Kity war halt konsequent :-)))

[@JBLewis]

Wow that was a lot of work! In the long run, I'm sure you'll be happy with the results though! Regarding the press fit, that's how I used to install bearings in first (Rabbit) and second generation VW Golf rear drum brakes: We'd put the bearings in the freezer over night, and then heat the drums in the oven to 500F. The bearings would drop right in. No fuss, no muss.

[@hadinossanosam4459]

12:23 That's called a *shrink* fit.

[@JAMOABGLP]

I have to try out this Pressfit at something like this, I just need to get a planer, the Shelix, and a good turning machine :D

[@carloantoniomartinelli5418]

Dear Marius, thank you for posting such an interesting video, although I am very much past the age when one can actually embark in these adventures, I enjoy watching IMMENSELY, moreover I find the cooperation with your dad very rewarding: father and son doing things together like good friends, is such a wonderful sight. I too do things with my sons as frequently as our routines allow, nothing pleases this crusty old codger more I have been visiting your channel from time to time, with the greatest pleasure ALWAYS, since I like your way of DOING as much as your way of THINKING. Allow me to express my appreciation for your skills and your general attitude and I am old fashioned enough to say what a great credit you are for your parents and others who have given you direction in you formative years. Thank you again for these enthralling documentaries, they beat regular TV hands down. Auf wiedersehen.

[@MariusHornberger]

Thanks a lot for these nice words!

[@Uquityabtchn]

LOL The mark of a good mechanic, extra parts. Excellent video.

[@bensonbvlog]

Great work!! Hi! I'm a beginner for woodwork, can you recommend me where can i buy the shelix cutterhead, thanks.

[@UrosRodic]

Marius, what is the lenght of a small belt? I have bought the same machine and the small belt is worn out. Somewhere i've found that the belt is 710x6 but mesuring my damaged belt iz was 720... so what is the correct leinght? TY...

[@The_Unobtainium]

With helix cutters it is not about cut quality. You can get better surface finish with good, sharp, straight blades. What matters is reduced noise, durability and you need to change few inserts only when your cutter find a nail in the wood...

[@TrevorDennis100]

Marius, I am glad I found this video. My Menz Shed recently traded up from a DeWalt thicknesser to a 15" MACMA thicknesser with helical head, and I am not happy with the finish as it gets similar marks on the timber. I don't think ours are made by the feed roller though as they are at an angle that follows the cutting head, but I'll watch this video again and see if I can work it out. Mean while I have ordered a Hafco thicknesser planer from Machinery House here in New Zealand, and I hope to get mine fully dialled in as I am the only person using and adjusting it.

[@StefanGoersdorf]

Großartige Arbeit. Was ein Aufwand. Aber scheint sich ja gelohnt zu haben.

[@bradleykindell4666]

hey Marius, i have the same Kity planner, would you consider selling me the original cutter pulley? mine cracked when i used a press to push the pulley back onto the shaft. I'm in the UK. Brad

[@chrisis9030]

Ah, the simple joys of woodworking.

[@DriverDude100]

Very well done! What a huge amount of work. Your jointer/planer is now perfect.

[@harihararamesh1375]

Kudos 👏to your design change on Diamond knurling for feed roller.., It is weak in design to straight vee grooves which is causing marks on wood finish.

[@RalfsBastelbude]

Es bleiben immer ein paar Teile über... das ist wie mit den Socken im Trockner. Nicht drüber nachdenken... es ist halt so! Wieder ein klasse Video und sicher ein richtig gutes Upgrade. Für meine HC260 lohnt das allerdings sicherlich nicht. Gruß Ralf

[@mathieub3953]

Alu sollte man nicht über 130-150°C erwärmen, das führt schnell zum weichglühen der Legierung.

[@peterkelly8953]

I had a Kity 637 with all these idiosyncratic designs. Very frustrating to tune, but still a nice machine.

[@hugobose2254]

great job Marius (and Dad lol) well talked through and recommendation about the expensive upgrade (buy another lol)

[@cognitor900]

That was an amazing effort from all. And here’s me thinking that this kind of drama only happened to me....😬 The big difference is that my machine would have been on eBay by the end of the week whereas you really rise to the challenge. Great watching your skills. Is your dad an engineer too? PS: only in Europe would you get a parts delivery made to the basement!! (Just joshing...😆). Cheers

[@MariusHornberger]

Thanks. My dad works as a grinder but also learned to turn, which he now taught me

[@ivanwalker3522]

If you don't have screws left over then you didn't do the job right! Right? Right.

[@zachary3777]

You had chatter when cutting the grooves because you are cutting on both sides of the V at the same time. If you move in at a 20 degree angle with the compound it works better because you only cut on one side of the cutter. It's also probably why your HSS bit burnt up.

[@MariusHornberger]

I had the same idea after we had too much chatter. That's why I couldn't film that, because I assisted turning this.

[@alswearingen323]

Nice to see the pflaster on your finger. Nothing is successful without a little blood sacrifice to the god of machine tools!

[@tl314Thomas]

Moin Moin Marius Das Nenne ick mal eine Verbesserung von den Hobelmesser bist zur einzugwalze echt super und Daumen Hoch Auch das Hobel Bild ist echt super Geworden Lg Thomas ( t.l.314 )

[@keitmitkeit]

Nice how much your hair grew threw the project ^^ It looks like it took a while from start to finish

[@TechTomVideo]

cool video - just one sliiight correction: technically the pulley is not press fittet but shrink fittet.

[@Woodworks-Switzerland]

hi marius, ich besitze eine 637 und hatte mir lange überlegt das update vorzunehmen, es jedoch wieder verworfen weil es sich einfach nicht lohnt. stattdessen werde ich mir halt einen zylinderschleifer anschaffen oder besser bauen. das prinzip kann man ja von der kitty übernehmen. danke für's zeigen! 👍

[@guitarchitectural]

I have a drum sander with a similar table-raising mechanism... the key is to cut a big hole in the stand under the unit. Then you can poke your head/arm in there to make adjustments. I really want to put my drum sander on a cart with drawers but if i ever had to make an adjustment, I'd have to do what you describe. No thanks! So, it stays on its open stand!

[@MoreHace]

So... where can I suscribe to your dad's channel??

[@ivanwalker3522]

Marius, that was one brilliant video. Thank young pup! 100%

[@michael.schuler]

Impressive work, and a very worthwhile end result. How much money and how many hours were required? If a standard combination machine is available equipped wth segmented head already installed, would it have been as expensive? (I understand it is unlikely that such a stock machine's corresponding details would not likely match your custom ones in quality.)

[@graemebrumfitt6668]

Metal worker now Marius cool, nice vid lot of working but I bet the satisfaction of the machine working like you want is justifcation TFS "thanks for sharing" regards G :)

[@markusbee2398]

i saw your first video on the Kity636 and searched if a Shelix upgrade might be possible (i have seen others have upgraded DeWalt735 with great success) and just came across your video - with exactly this upgrade !! I found a Kity for sale and was just about to buy my Shelix..... now that i have seen everything you went through, i think i might stick to the straight blades! lol Unless........ Any chance your Dad could make a roller and drive wheels for me too?!? ;) Great vid and excellent job done to you and your dad :)

[@Dc_tech386]

Yes true but not all true the carbide get really hard to push the nuts that hold the carbide and it's a bitch to put

[@RossWilliamsDC]

I have an old Swiss made Inca 570 jointer/planner that looks very much like your Kity. It is very quiet and smooth like a Swiss watch. It has the Tersa blade system which makes blade changes super quick and easy. A tap or two against a wood block and the blades slide out. Slide in the new blades and turn the machine on and they are set perfectly every time. As the replacement blades are two-sided and only about $12 US a set, I think I will take your advice and Not upgrade. Thanks. Great video. You are tenacious.

[@tmitch45]

Great video! I have a smaller just got a kity planer thicknesser which is part of the K5 Combi. I'm about to renovate so tested it yesterday. I'm getting the same marks as you did which is caused by the infeed roller. I cannot machine a replacement and I dread to think how much a custom one would cost do you have any other ideas what I could do as surely it wasn't like this from new?

[@harizummer3233]

How many hour will it work in one setting only in hard wood like padock and teak wood.

[@azlovakhoz3030]

At 23:35 pelase be careful and always use a piece of wood (pushing wood) for pushing the workpiece on planer for saving your hands. Ignoring that it is a very useful video an you have worked very well. Thank you very much for this video.

[@manfredschmalbach9023]

High tech basement. 😂 Ain't it a sort of guilty pleasure divertingly use Your planer without any cover at all, let alone all those silly'n annoying automated shutters and sprung closing dohickies the safety police brought us the last three decades?

[@dalejones4186]

Great job. Great video. I look forward to when you have more time to produce more. Thanks for sharing.

[@atlas227428]

The upgrade must of been such a pain in the ass........BUT you must have learned something interesting, and i think viewers saw an amazing bit of work you and dad did making new parts and fixing the unit in general. I was riveted to the video to see how it was all going to turn out......your dad is amazing in his ability with the lathe....Such a well done job .... Kudos to you and dad ... thanks for showing this!

[@ovidiuvornicu8991]

What a great job! And the perseverence of doing it. Kity made really good machines but you transformed yours into a great little gem. Congratulations! I want to replace the cutterhead pulley on my kity 635( a very similar model to yours)with one that accepts a poly V belt for the very same reasons that you did. I won't change the cutterhead itself though… quite expensive.I would like to know what belt did you use(profile type and number of ribs)

[@alastairchestnutt6416]

Great video. I'd adjusted my Robland x31 combination woodworking machines planer thicknesser in the past. Even adjusting it took a long time. I'll not be upgrading the cutterhead any time soon! Loved all the lathework and tips you showed.

[@_rlb]

Great video. That was a lot of work! My guess is the leftover screws were from when you removed the old wheels. Right? By the way, I think I recognize your new wheels ;) Viele Grüße.

[@MariusHornberger]

Could be from the wheels. Did you send the wheels to me?

[@_rlb]

@@MariusHornberger ;)

[@SW-zu7ve]

The cut quality I get with my jointer and planer made me think it was not worth the effort you put into this one. Then I see you say that at the end of the video so I don't feel like a a-hole saying it lol. That being said I still enjoyed the video and the monumental work you put it in and that you didn't give up! Great work as always. Thank you!

[@nealwalden3543]

A staggering amount of work. Really nice machine. Like the problem solving as you took things apart. It makes me love our 508mm Martin Joiner/Surfacer (German), with Tersa tooling.