Mainline Diesel - LMS 10000

[@jerrycoob4750]

"As the black and silver softly-purring diesel went by" :3

[@billbasey6518]

Exciting days, remember them passing through Preston 1948.

[@PWALPOCO]

Yey, sprayed with asbestos, nothing can go wrong !

[@ChangesOneTim]

Aye, and no ear defenders worn in the engine test shed!

[@SilverCanary1]

Yes and no gloves for the rocker slapping...

[@Kidraver555]

I would like to have been the asbestos sprayer.

[@ausfoodgarden]

Yep, that's what happened then, and now people spray their gardens with Glyphosate. Will we ever learn?

[@tncorgi92]

Mmmmm, yummy asbestos.

[@Turnerspaintbrush]

10000/10001 were recorded by Peter Handford at Shap in 1958 and can be heard on the CD" Diesels through the Decades" as well as other vintage diesels such as Class 40s ,Claytons ,a Baby Deltic -

[@mrpepperman]

My Mother tells me that my Grandfather Jack Williams was one of the first drivers of this locomotive, was hoping to see an image of him as he died in 1962 and I never met him..

[@cathypearson5844]

My Granddad was an engineer on this - he died before I was born. He is in a white boiler suit with a black beret.

[@mrpepperman]

@@cathypearson5844 Wouldn't it be lovely to have met them. Did he live in London ? My Grandfather lived in Willesden

[@cathypearson5844]

@@mrpepperman He lived in Rugby. It would have been great to know them- to hear the stories. They are part of history

[@mrpepperman]

@@cathypearson5844 I’d loved to have met my grandfather, I thought if he’d lived down south they might have gone to the same pub and my Dad who also worked on the railway might have known him

[@nlo114]

1:30 - The laying-on of hands by the exalted engineering one.

[@MikesMovies]

Just got a model of this one so very pleased to see this video

[@AndreiTupolev]

Wonderful as the voiceover is, wouldn't you like to hear that running?

[@pp37903]

Very much so. Could have done without the frantically jaunty music as well!

[@robertsmalley8138]

That should have been the aim to hear the loco. The only time i saw the pair was standing silent on Willesden shed .

[@28YorkshireRose12]

Back in the day when cameras only captured pictures. Sound was added in the editing room. In line with newsreels of the time, I doubt if anyone thought the 'live' sounds were important.

[@norbertnedsworth7172]

Very interesting, Thanks for sharing.

[@harvestjet]

Thanks for posting this historic gem.

[@philhealey449]

Seemingly an actor winding the Megger at 4:22 at that dismal speed !

[@chaitanyashervegar8234]

Good background music and good innovation

[@Wayzgoosey]

This is probably an LMS publicity film, but by the time it came out it would have been a BTC film. Ivatt pushed very hard to have 10000 rolled out before the nationalisation came into effect and they made it by two weeks. Eventually, 10000 and 10001 ended up on the southern region running to the west in company with the three later Southern diesels. As some people have said, it's a shame none were preserved. It's also telling that it wasn't until 1947 that the UK actually got a mainline diesel electric running. by that time, they'd been in use for over a decade in the USA.

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

Probably because we didn't have much of our own oil supplies, we had and still have plenty of coal. So it was more economic until the 1950s to rely of domestic coal supplies. However, post-war the quality of those supplies were not as good as pre-war supplies.

[@skog4437]

isn't 10001 preserved?

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

Skog no, none of the LMS or SR designs were saved. They were withdrawn from service around the time steam was being withdrawn and all of the enthusiasts wanted to save steam locomotives.

[@palexandersquires]

Sir George later decided to build the Prototype Deltic thanks Sir George this is what Britain wants a power full locomotive

[@AndreiTupolev]

1:32 the ceremonial laying on of hands. They employed trained priests to do that, very important job

[@NorbertRoll]

An absolutely great documentary.

[@herbrand47]

I remember being pulled by 10000 as a young lad in 1952 from Market Harborough to St Pancras. it was surprize for everyone as we all expected the trusty steam variety.

[@Isochest]

Must have been a Voodoo train:-)

[@davebaines5978]

Would just LOVE to hear the sound of it!

[@johno4521]

Just think class 40.

[@leroyholm9075]

Wow well done!

[@Meddled]

Ivatt had 'LMS' cast into the footplates and body sides. As this was just prior to nationalisation he wanted the origins of the type to be noticed!

[@muvibuff9124]

I suppose it matters little that half the workforce have a cigarette in their mouths when the commentary tells us that the insides of the body and driving compartments were sprayed with asbestos.

[@SilverCanary1]

If lungs are full of tar, that probably makes inhaling asbestos less dangerous as it is probably (/maybe) all coughed up and out. Have a nice evening though!

[@cathypearson5844]

One of the men working on this is my grandad- he always had a cigarette in his mouth! Every photo there is of him.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

The dangers of cigarettes have bee recognised since the 1920s but the danger of asbestos was realised until the 1970s.

[@simonmd2000]

Amazing to think this was before British Railways even existed, "is this the shape of things to things to come?" oh my, you have no idea!

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

Meanwhile over in Doncaster they were reviving the NER's plans to electrofy the ECML at 1500V, starting with the Woodhead routes and the suburban routes out of Liverpool Street.

[@paulcaswell2813]

EM1 and 2s :-)

[@nigelmitchell351]

6256 was almost twice as powerful. Great film.oneof the Gents at the end is wearing spats, I wonder when they'll make a return to fashion.?

[@lukegreen5341]

Cool LMS Diesel Locomotive Documentary Movie Mate. X

[@stephensmith799]

'Sprayed with asbestos' - oh dear!

[@MotoCrazy66]

I have an asbestos duvet, it's fine!

[@stephensmith799]

MotoCrazy66 Keeps the heat in very nicely!

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

Also good against corrosion.

[@riverhuntingdon6659]

True enough, the asbestos MK1 leccies we had at my depot didn't seem to rot as easily as those that were stripped of it !

[@Mercmad]

20 years ago they discovered that one of the hospitals here had it's entire steel framework sprayed with Asbestos in the 50's while they were building it. That's why there are not too many old carpenters here.

[@mervynsands3501]

Superb stuff in the pioneering days. Shame that bumbling music track was in the background, rather listen to the narrator telling us the story. Anyway it turned out fine in the end. History in the making! 😉👍

[@Bob-vc6ug]

Yeah they started putting the end plates on and all of a sudden it was a dance party! Was a nice video like you said though.

[@proberts8]

I love the background music of these old films. I wonder who wrote the score for this one?

[@stevepayne2917]

That,s when Britannia was great, Exporting locos!

[@TheOneTrueTiggs]

steve payne I think the point was it had already ceased to do so.. or at least was failing

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@TheOneTrueTiggs no we were still exporting locomotives until into the 1960s. But numbers were falling.

[@philnewstead5388]

Neil of Longbeck I find it very sad that we gave the world railways and these days very little from locomotives to ticket machines is produced if not in Britain by a British company. When we do invent something half way through we decide it's too expensive to develop and sell the technology abroad for peanuts. I refer specifically to the Pendolinos the tilting technology is from the APT which BREL was forced to sell to the Italians for £70000 they made the technology work and now sell the trains to us for 70,000,000 a pop. Sadly we will never get any of this industry back as we no longer have people with the will or skill sets and even if we did we no longer have the infrastructure or the support industries that we so wantonly discarded in the eighties and nineties.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@philnewstead5388 what sadder is that the Spanish had tilting trains in the 1950s and the Italians had them in the 1960s (the original Pendalino). FIAT had tilting ENUs in service in 1976 between Roma and Ancona, knocking over half an hour off the journey time. The first active tilt trains in Spain, the Talgos were passive swing, were the Class 432 EMUs which entered service in September 1972. So what did Britain actually invent in regard to tilting trains? BR sold off the patents when in 1986 the government would not allow them to continue spending money if the APT-S.

[@Meddled]

Blinkered view. The UK was importing Sulzer prime movers very early into the diesel transition.

[@leroyholm9075]

Managed to see 10000 before it was scrapped but not sadly while it was still running.

[@sitearm]

that is some happenin' music!

[@johnwalker194]

Darude : sandstorm

[@scopex2749]

Love the health and safety in those days! Sticking his hands all over the rockers with it running😧. If I was the driver I would think myself lucky that my cab was insulated with ASBESTOS! 😳

[@Isochest]

My Uncle George started his career with the LNER in 1946 but asbestos killed him prematurely. He was probably exposed to it as a carriage cleaner later a signalman.

[@corpsevoice]

WHEN BRITAIN WAS A GREAT COUNTRY!!!!

[@billpugh58]

So it’s not great now, post Tory brexit, with 11 years of Tory governance? What went wrong then?

[@NickRatnieks]

10000 and Sir William A Stanier FRS- two engines that nearly got saved but somehow fell to the scrap man. A great shame. I know you cannot keep everything but they should have been saved. The scrap metal merchant that bought Sir William Stanier did want to sell the engine on to preservation but it was not possible at that time.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

There was no interest from the presevationists at that time for preserving diesels, they only wanted steam at that time.

[@Isochest]

Sad to hear. These two diesels were an iconic milestone in UK rail traction. The 37s appear similar so a 1947 design was a "Right First Time" technology. Well done Ivatt. He should have been knighted!

[@itssteve1923]

A brilliant innovation of it's time. I prefer electric traction over diesel and would prefer the UK rail system to have gone over to electricity 100 years ago, But these locos are iconic and their descendants the clas 37 are still active.

[@Isochest]

Agreed on all counts. Railways should have switched over to electricity 100 years ago. UK Politicians have spent over 100 years thwarting this in various ways. The Grouping of rail companies was their first move. If this hadn't have happened the LS&BCR would have extended their 6700v ac electrification and perhaps the Midland would have electrified Derby to Manchester. York to Newcastle and Middlesborough would have been electrified at 1500v dc too. Politicians play dumb but act crafty.

[@doloresmyatt9737]

robert the lms boss is wearing a nice pair of spats and no doubt has ordered a hansom cab to take him to his club for a few brandies and sleep and later to the music hall where he will be a stage door johnny at the end of the show. the music whizzedy-whizz sounds like an out-take from snow white.

[@bruceanderton1518]

Unfortunately this film is shown in the incorrect aspect ratio-should be 4:3. Why do this?

[@lewiemcneely9143]

I would liked to hear the diesel itself run but more that that, when they tried the hooter valve.

[@fdegeorge2000]

Nuthing like a nice set of hooters.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

@@fdegeorge2000 24 inch Grovers!

[@nigelpearson6664]

If I am right some generic parts from the 1937 shunters. Very wise. As far as I know a 100% usuable design realted to 1960's types by EE and BR.

[@DatacronKeeper]

Now who would win the LMS 10000 or the LNER 10000

[@JimProng]

Health & Safety :-)

[@sapper82]

And not a single pair of earmuffs amongst them!!

[@palexandersquires]

I Like 10000 the best I may get a model of this diesel from Bachman

[@robertholsting]

Not ONE hardhat - time has changed a lot.

[@TDIMAXDIESEL]

6:54 spray with Asbestos ! If they'd knew ! Thanks for sharing !

[@beyergarret123]

They did know, Asbestos related lung cancer was identified in the 1930s.

[@TDIMAXDIESEL]

@@beyergarret123 oh, ok, well they where not very conscientious about it!

[@beyergarret123]

@@TDIMAXDIESEL No Max, they certainly wasnt, the stuff was everywhere on the railway, not just on the locos, I was affected by it in the 70s working on the Permanant Way and my cancer didnt appear until over 30 years later, although in remission at the moment thankfully, it was and probably still is a time bomb for many people.

[@TDIMAXDIESEL]

@@beyergarret123 wow, this is incredible! Thanks!

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@beyergarret123 as far as I can see the link was discovered in 1943 in Germany but ignored until a 1960 study conducted in South Africa.

[@v8pilot]

When I was a little kid, our school played football near the railway line at Radipole. We'd hear a rattling noise and we'd all yell "The new disel!". Then no. 10000 would appear on the final mile to Weymouth station. My dad said he asked the driver why it made that rattling noise. He said the driver told him "It always does that on notch five". Interesting film. Shame about the cheesy music.

[@tpvalley]

good video.

[@ChangesOneTim]

Brilliant film. Asbestos? No problem! And why bother with hearing protection in the diesel workshop? We all go deaf eventually!

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Asbestos also helped to prevent rust.

[@MrMKH2010]

It's just a shame that it took British Rail so many decades to get it right. The locos were like American Alcos': Bastard stepchildren that no one really wanted.

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

The original Moderisation plan was to buy small batches of a few designs and test them to find out what work and what dudn't. However, the BTC was pressurised into buying large batches of these designs and other designs, few of which were fit for purpose. The engine used here has been developed over the years to eventually produce around double the hp.

[@JimTLonW6]

Interesting view of this important locomotive; something else was that all the men at the send off seemed to smoke, also to wear hats!

[@boycotgugle3040]

let's bring back hat culture^^ ;)

[@antonysmith9173]

Now locomotives built in Canada, Spain,Italy, anywhere but in Britain. Ah well shouldn't surprise me l guess. 🙁

[@GrenMagg]

No hearing protection!!!

[@mark3009]

Grenville Bamford - sorry? I didn’t quite hear that? 👌😁

[@colinhooper6621]

The joys of asbestos contamination

[@flippop101]

Did Britain export any Diesel locomotives?

[@Colonel_Blimp]

Philip Hearn as a retired kiwi driver who was qualified for both US and British diesels I can say that the Brit mainline units were crap. Which is a shame because I’m an Anglophile in most things.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

The Dutch took a fleet of 350hp shunters with EE engines that are almost identical in layout to the Class 08.

[@MonkeySpecs301]

Wassup with the circus music?

[@mark3009]

It is of it’s time 😀

[@anubis6864]

A very interesting film about an ugly looking loco, you can see the parentage of the Peaks in it - and I never liked those either!

[@maltesephil]

1600 horsepower, you nearly get that in a Bugatti these days

[@mfbfreak]

Torque is not relevant at all because it is electrically driven. This means you can simply run either engine at its maximum power point, to have literally any amount of torque to the wheels as long as you stay within the rating of the traction motors. Same is valid for CVTs. 1600hp is 1600hp. A higher or lower torque number merely says at which engine speed the power is delivered. In other words, if you spice up Bugatti's engine a bit to deliver 1600hp, it can haul as heavy trains as the big diesel can. The main difference is that the Bugatti is designed to be very lightweight, and not designed to run at maximum power for hours on end, hundreds of hours per year. It will wear out quickly in train service.

[@joebond5012]

LimaVictor m

[@pietrorita]

LimaVictor not really beacuse if you theory is right i could have a 1200 cc bike and a 1200cc tractor if you put a generator on the bike it will stall out because it has not enough torque but the tractor despite having less hp will continue to run

[@mfbfreak]

@@pietrorita You clearly do not understand the physics behind it. The more powerful engine will allow you to draw the biggest amount of power from the generator. A kilowatt is a kilowatt, regardless where it comes from. The tractor may be able to spin the generator at a lower speed, but it will not get up to the rated speed of the generator if its power is too low. The bike engine, properly geared and assuming its power output is high enough, will not have any problems as long as it is running at the rev range in which it can supply the required power. It is all simple physics. Read some old text books.

[@pietrorita]

LimaVictor yes you are right excuse me for the misunderstanding! :-)

[@cliveroberts8056]

I saw this ugly machine on its maiden run approaching Leicester station as a schoolboy. I have never forgotten my dismay at its appearance. It looked so characterless especially in comparison with the Jubilee Class locomotives that I was particularly 'attached to'. All steam engines had a soul. Diesels like this were and are glorified tin cans. 10000/1 should remain as scrap and melted down!!

[@Mr223P]

Bloody awful kettles...

[@alisterpinnock8312]

Great images Irritating music!