I Put a Cinema Lens on the Sony ZV-E10 - You Won't Believe the Results!

[@markwiemels]

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[@sugarbait]

You should have shown side by side comparisons with the kit lens and the cinema lens using the same scenes.

[@rallymax2]

Right? The comparison isn’t a comparison without a reference. Amateur hour.

[@McSweeneyDan]

Thanks, Mark. You offered clear and interesting descriptions of several topics that could easiiy become overwhelmingly complex. I appreciate your work.

[@Shot4ShotPhoto]

Bought a 50mm 1.2 from the same company and it’s really freaking good for the $112 I spent on it. Such a great buy.

[@johnlocke3481]

This is incredibly helpful. To me, it shows that the ZV-e10 just isn't up to the task. I'm really struggling to commit to the $3500 a7siii price tag, but it starts to feel like that's the cost of entry for professional footage.

[@procamara359]

Where can we see the full video?

[@spartianknight.]

Luv to be able to save this to a playlist for future reference, but no option given for that.

[@DarrenStephens1]

SO MUCH great information here!! Thank you!

[@NWGarage]

Such a well explained video !

[@satishkarotia1378]

Hi Loved the video very informative I use Sony Ze V10 for food review youtube channel videos. Now we want to start the new real estate channel so we want to buy wide angle lens, kit lens of Sony ze V10 is not that wide. Then I saw your video of TT artisans 10 mm f/2 lens i liked it , but there is one doubt can I shoot video with manual focus lens....????. It will not loose focus when we move the camera left to right and up and down. Also how to keep the host in focus at the same time show the property. Please help me.... waiting for your reply 🙏

[@SeanHuangRealEstate]

Hi Mark, how is this lens compared to the Rokinon Cine CV12M-E 12mm T2.2 in terms of image characteristics? I am looking for that "filmic" look. The Rokinon Cine CV12M-E 12mm T2.2 is more attractive due to it's T2.2 vs the T2.9 in this lens yet at the same price. Thanks!

[@derekroberts5931]

What is T is F terms? So is a T 2.2 equivalent to a f 2.2? Like you I want that filmy cinematic look, but also background blurr when I want.

[@Bdk994]

HI Mark, I hope you’re doing well like a tiger. Wanna ask if i had only one choice, which lens should i buy between Tamron 17-70mm and this 7 Artisans 12mm? Thanks

[@markwiemels]

That Tamron is much more versatile, I would go with it.

[@Bdk994]

Thanks Mark

[@kanae4876]

Just curious, can zve 10 mount hold the weight of that lens without any lens support mount ??

[@markwiemels]

yes

[@kanae4876]

@@markwiemels thanks !!

[@Bwavycloud]

Which option on amazon should I get for the lens or it doesnt matter?

[@markwiemels]

If you have a Sony, then the Sony e mount, this is the 12mm lens.

[@MurtadaEl-Hayki]

Hey! Do you think I should get this camera or the R10? I just can’t decide

[@MurtadaEl-Hayki]

tbh I like the R10 samples more

[@markwiemels]

I think the R10 is a better camera, overall, but the ZV-E10 has better lens’s, and more affordable lenses.

[@MurtadaEl-Hayki]

@@markwiemels just needed to hear it thank you! Is ef lenses better than rf atm?

[@jedunboxing4127]

is there fuji version?

[@markwiemels]

Yes

[@stefeuphoria6086]

Im an artist and want to shoot overhead videos of my work process but i can't decide which budget lens i should buy. Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

[@lugaroz]

You have money, you don't? You need autofocus, you don't? You have good light, you don't?

[@markwiemels]

Use the kit lens and buy good lighting. This a whole diffrent thing to explain, but basically you will use the kit lens, "stoped down" which means the image will be quite good, and the lighting will be the most important factor.

[@matthiasmartin1975]

Fun fact about T-stops: on the Camera Conspiracies channel Kasey also uses terms like "T1.4", but there it means "toneh 1.4", not actual T-stops.

[@chantelchavon]

Hi Mark! You mentioned tweaking the settings in the camera to get a more cinematic look. Do you mind sharing the details of the settings you used with this lens to achieve the sample footage?

[@PhotoGearFun]

I bought the 7 Artisans 35mm vision lens just to see if cinema lenses were for me. I have the ZV-E10 and the FX-30 and this lens paired with either yields a pretty nice image. Manual focus on static subjects can be pretty easy but trying to move with and focus on a moving subject is pretty difficult. This series of lenses present a great value for Cinema Lens newbies like me just dipping your toes into cinema lenses. I am very happy with this lens camera combo. Cheers.

[@procamara359]

Can you match the images with those cameras?

[@PhotoGearFun]

@@procamara359 it's not too difficult to get them pretty close but I can't seem to get an exact match. My color correcting skills could use some work admittedly.

[@SharrodVisuals]

Do you use the zve10 as a B cam? I’m thinking of getting the fx30 and pairing it with the zve10

[@Froilyfilms]

All of my Latest videos are filmed by Sony ZV-E10. Really a cool camera for beginner film makers.

[@markwiemels]

Great to hear. It's a great little camera.

[@narayana9646]

What lenses are you using ??

[@JaroAtry]

Cinema lenses are not rarely zoom lenses. Cinema zoom lenses are pretty common.

[@Halsu]

As far as i have understood, in most cases these cheap cine lenses are just rehoused still camera designs. The actual glass and optics inside are the same. In this case, could well be this one (this T2.9 is probably a F2.8, the 0.1 stop difference comes from the measured actual light loss in the glass): kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmKWp6CqpZqdas0 The difference is mainly in ergonomics: F-stops are changed to T-stops, and the threads on the focus are finer, trading in focusing speed of long throws to more accuracy in fine adjustment. Also, the cine lenses usually have gearing in them, as well as de-clicked aperture ring. But, as the glass is the same, also the images will be the same as in the lens the cine version is based on. As others have said, all the other camera settings work the same regardless of the glass. Yes, even with the kit lens. Another little nitpick: the actual size of the f-stop depends on the focal length. The physical opening of all 11 mm f2.8 lenses is the same, but the opening on, say 50 mm f2.8 is much larger. The formula to get an f-number is to divide the lens' focal length by the diameter of the iris.

[@derekroberts5931]

That was an interesting read. I'm new to videography. So are you saying that cinema lenses are close to regular lens with cinema settings on the Sony Zv-e10? Like say a sigma 16mm f 1.4 vs a T 1.4? I'm looking for that filmy cinema look bc I will be shooting in a dim but lit gym and want to capture the rugged raw feeling at night or evening. However, also want that f1.4 quality background blurr if needed. I don't know the best approach.

[@EkiHalkka]

​@@derekroberts5931 The T number is more exact when calculating exposure: the f number gives the theoretical amount a light gathered by the lens, while the T number is the actual measured real world performance, which takes into account e.g. the light loss in the glass (nothing is really 100% transparent). There is no difference whatsoever in the image, the lens does not change, it's just that a lens that is marked F1.4 for photography purposes may actually measure to be T1.5 in the real world and thus be marked differently for cinema use. This difference completely irrelevant, in my opinion, unless you use an external light meter to evaluate the exposure (instead of the camera's built in tools). And even then it is so small that for practical purposes F and T can be treated as the same thing.

[@bagreene6710]

I’m a cinematographer. I’m sorry to say that I disagree with almost every point in this video. There is only one major difference between cinema lenses and modern still photo lenses, and that is manual focus (with accurate footage marks on the barrel) and manual iris. That’s basically it. There are many vintages and different optical designs in all lenses. These have nothing to do with cinema lenses per se. Cinema lenses are not lower contrast or have different “highlight rolloff”. Basically, sharp lenses are high contrast, less sharp, lower contrast. That’s it. There are other distortions and optical qualities of lenses, but are not unique to cinema vs still lenses. Movies use both fixed focal length and zoom lenses depending upon the needs of the project. No difference there. In general, there are better and worse lenses, but none are “more cinematic” than another. It’s really just about manual focus and iris, and maybe more solid build qualities for harsh working conditions. Unless you want to focus and iris manually, you’ll get a similar result with a still photo lens.

[@kevinschembri277]

Are there any change of settings recommendations for a Sony ZV E 10 with such lense?

[@andrewporter6352]

How does this lens look shooting black and white video?

[@NWGarage]

Keep up the great videos!

[@ScottSalvi]

Thanks Mark...I actually have this lens in my Amazon cart. Currently shooting with a Sigma 16mm f1.8 and I am using a Tiffen Black Pro-Mist 1/4" to cut down the sharpness and adjust contrast to be a little less "digital". I think this may be a better use of this camera for what I do...

[@markwiemels]

The only issues might be the T2.9, if you need that f1.4 on the sigma, also 12mm is very wide, and tends to give a specific look, a little less versatile than 16mm. From the same series there is a 25mm f1.05 that looks good too, if that focal length would work for you.

[@ScottSalvi]

@@markwiemels thanks! I am looking for something a little wider than the 16 for a specific project and will only use that lens for it. No mixing of lenses.

[@markwiemels]

I would 100% recommend this lens then. The image quality is excellent, and it really gives a detailed image that is not too high contrast, which is exactly what you want from a cinema lens. Also, given it's manual focus, you can use the old trick of "soft" focus, which is intentionally missing focus just slightly to soften the look of the image, particularly images of people and skin.

[@HamRadioDX]

I came here looking for lens info and found you shot stuff here in my home state of Tasmania!

[@famousfailure02]

But this lens is Z mount lense , how can be fit on Zv e10 e mount? Please reply

[@markwiemels]

Made in multiple mounts, for Sony you want E mount.

[@miniprod509]

Great approach but I wanna see review with Sony A6000+cine lens vs ZV-E10 with kit lens😂 So people like me could see real benefit of getting cine lenses📸

[@CKLEE003]

I wan to see the result bro.....

[@sahand90]

For Zv-e10 which one you prefer? 18-50 or 16mm F1.4? (For indoor videography like commercial add)

[@markwiemels]

The 18-50 for the versatility.

[@dedskin1]

i do not need Cinematic effect i hate 24FPS for example , and a lot of people including you do not know why its 24FPS , because back in the day film was expensive , editing was manual so expensive as well so they chose smallest FPS possible , litrally smallest possible for that makes the movie cheaper , then it became standard . Thne Digital era came , guess what doing CGI on 24FPS is half the price of 50fps or 60fps , hence again they kept the standard . For me depending on shutter angle , sometimes i cant even watch a movie without Interlacing , making it 50fps using processor , or if its TV built in processor . But of course this is not the same as native 60fps content , but at least i can watch it . 2nd. I couldn't care less about Cinematic effects , CGI and what have you , i love a good story . Good story needs no effect , even modern Iphone can do the work . For example i watched Mahabharata 10x and its VHS , and i watched Top Gun maverick 3x , but first 2 times i watched 20minutes and got bored because there is no story in it at all . Another fantastic work is Meating with remarkable man , VHS , and there is more . After all people read books , so no need for camera at all . But its good to have a movie , but today on Netflix , Amazon , HBO , i just cant even watch anything , its all bad , couple things good i watched for a month and then litrally had nothing to watch , so all those cameras all those Cinematic effects all that garbage , 0 fun . Because they cheap out on a story , i heard in Hollywood writers are protesting , that is where you put them , no Camera companies , CGI companies no they work full on , screen writers are protesting , because you are so dumb its not even funny any more .

[@officially_s]

Hi Mark, Great video, as usual. Do you think using this lens for a talking head youtube video (like yours)? I want a cinematic sort of a look on my talking heads and I use ZV E10.

[@markwiemels]

I would get the sigma 16 f1.4 for that, and get a 1/4 or 1/8 diffusion filter.

[@officially_s]

@@markwiemels Thanks. I'm half way there, already ordered the Sigma 16 f1.4. Will get the diffusion filters as well. 🙏

[@honestnewsnet]

Softer image

[@lucetto]

This was a fantastic technical video, not a fan of the footage produced though, not sure if the lens is to blame or the colour grading, the examples felt dull and flat, I feel log footage gives us space to get as creative as we want with colour and feel which was not demonstrated here, however for the purpose of this being an educational video it was not necessary either. Very well constructed video, thanks for posting.

[@mhammer5]

Hi Mark. I enjoy these videos, lenses. I like the other cinema lens for the FX=30 video. I heard somewhere along the way that most movies are shot with a 40mm lens.

[@dipankarbasak07]

Again, I got unsubscribed 🙁

[@markwiemels]

What the heck!

[@worldpeace1822]

With a wide angle lense focus is not that important anyway… try longer focus length and it does matter a lot more

[@sagarsiddu7036]

I want to make short film or a feature film. Which lens should I buy?

[@209lapko]

Brilliant video, as always 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@evindrews]

1:12 - huge asterisk here. I really don't think a cine lens here isn't going to have perceptibly different aesthetics at this price range. No way 7artisans is controlling the contrast curve in a lens design beyond introducing lower contrast due to errors in the lenses from lower cost manufacturing. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this is a simple rehousing of their 12mm f2.8 mark II. Same number of elements / groups.

[@evindrews]

BUT I do think the flaws in the lens offer a look that is appealing and that's what you're onto. Less of that clinically sharp look of a lot of lenses.

[@markwiemels]

This is a fair point.

[@benjamindejonge3624]

Doesn’t fit on my Fuji

[@oliverolejar3437]

Great video! But it's important to note that just using a LUT is not the right solution for converting footage from LOG to Rec.709. What you really want to do is change the color space in your editing software. There's an entire science behind that. But it's super easy to do and gives you a much better result!

[@markwiemels]

This is the same thing, some software call it “color space transform” others don’t even have that function and you only use LUTs, it’s just a different workflow and name.

[@ELDR3X]

should I buy this lens or the TTartisan you recomended the 0.9f. Im going to use it for cinematic video and in some ocasions low light film since I work at weddings

[@markwiemels]

I would get either the 25mm or 35mm vision cine lens.

[@ELDR3X]

@@markwiemels thank you really appreciate it! thanks for answering

[@myxchine]

What are your thoughts on HLG 3 over Slog?

[@markwiemels]

I used slog 2 because I have some really good LUTS for that profile. I know Mark Bennett loves HLG, I have jut not used it much. HLG vs Slog2 would be a good video, so I may test them and make a video.

[@CuruSmith]

Hey. Which camera did you use for this movies?

[@markwiemels]

Sample footage is ZV-E10

[@musicianscontent157]

Which gamma for Slog2? Itu709? S-gamut?

[@markwiemels]

3-cine.

[@danyj.mendez4745]

Have you giving up on the canon m50?

[@markwiemels]

No, I still have it, just made a video last month on the M50. I'm expanding what I cover on the channel. I plan to have a lot more beginner tutorials, that wont be specific to the M50, but will be good for any new camera users that want to improve their photos and videos.

[@ravicholachagudda5912]

Will you suggest sony zve10 in 2023 Or should I wait ✋ for another sony camera which doesn't has bad rolling shutter ?

[@markwiemels]

I would recommend it for sure. I was worried about it, before buying the camera, and it turned out to not really be an issue for me.

[@ravicholachagudda5912]

@@markwiemels am glad I found your video. Can you please suggest me one good lens for this camera my purpose is cinematic video and photography

[@ScottSalvi]

Rolling Shutter isn't really an issue for most of us. If you're panning smoothly and you know your camera, it's pretty avoidable. That which you can't avoid is barely noticeable imho. :)

[@ravicholachagudda5912]

@@ScottSalvi amazing thanks lot 😊. Will you recommend sony 18_105 lens for this camera cause it has lens stabilization. Or any alternative please let me know ?

[@ScottSalvi]

@@ravicholachagudda5912 It's hard for anyone to suggest "the best" lens for you as we don't know your shooting style or content. For me, I prefer a prime lens with fast glass (Low Aperture). The Sony 18-105 is a great lens! My best suggestion is to get the kit lens and see what focal length you use most and then go from there.

[@neerajbute2094]

Hi, loving all the content you are making on ZV e10. I am a beginner photographer. Would mostly do photography and some videography/vloging as well. 1. Wanted to know if not having an evf really a big deal? 2. Is LCD screen on Z V e-10 good enough to see in bright sunlight? Also how is the overall quality of screen? 3. How is the screen quality compared to a6400? 4. How different is the rolling shutter compared to a6400 since both use the same sensor and processor? I haven't used any camera before, just the phone. So not sure how much I'll need the evf. But saw many posts of not having evf sucks !! hence the question. Sorry for the long question. But couldn't find better way to put it. (English not being the first language)

[@markwiemels]

1. I work around it. 2. Sort of, it has a sunny mode, but at times it would be nice to have an EVF, but I make it work. 3. I’m not sure, have not used the 6400. 4. Same sensor, same rolling shutter. It’s and unbeatable camera at the price point, if you want the most for your money, you won’t go wrong.

[@neerajbute2094]

@@markwiemels thanks, that helps

[@FizzlNet]

I think you went too far with muting the contrast. Now it looks like high resolution version of early 2000's digital camcorder :P

[@markwiemels]

Yes, I actually didn't mute the contrast. With Slog you add the contrast back in, which is easy to tune to your liking, after the LUT is applied. I just wanted to demonstrate a "one click" edit. I do prefer a bit more contrast, and do add more contrasts in my normal slog edits.

[@motebike]

S-Log on an 8 bit camera is a no no.

[@Samiam-mu5ln]

"Hollywood Cinema Lens" more like a cinema lens for budget conscious users... hate how KZbinrs use Buzzwords as new forms of clickbait

[@markwiemels]

KZbinrs are the lowest form of life.

[@Will.Tristan]

bruh I hate to be this guy, but maybe lower the volume of your breaths in post production editing. I could barely focus on the content and all I could hear was your breathing, it was super distracting unfortunately. Great video though otherwise! The lens seems really cool!

[@hufman9807]

I can't ever imagine using a manual lens on an e10. That's like getting a tesla and pushing it around by hand.

[@markwiemels]

Most high end video production is done with manual focus lenses. It’s actually a bit the opposite of what you would think, cheap camera, autofocus lenses, 100k camera, manual focus lenses. This is because a manual focus lenses gives you full control, not the camera. So the autofocus lenses is the Tesla, the manual focus lens is formula one.