MARKZ is the commissioner of the LCS / New year, new season of SI - Summoning Insight S7E1

[@MarcelloVT]

Riot will never make Travis commissioner because he’s already a spokesperson but with the guise of independence. He’s already doing it for free, why start paying him and sacrifice that “neutral” mouthpiece

[@xrobot77]

I know truly would be a loss of a reporter who never sacrificed the intergity of their work

[@NAALISTAR]

Congrats to you & your growing family, Monte!

[@beardedgreymon4470]

Bro im tired of hearing the worlds hate i like the tournament its one of two international tournaments and lets be real msi only resently got good there was a time were we were like why have it. Worlds is decent not perfect and it can be better but to say it dosnt matter and its not important is fucking crazy

[@CorgiCA]

New year, new season, new memories to be made. Let’s make 2024 a great one LFN! Grateful for all of you, thanks for years of debate, insight and entertainment lads.

[@ennalivesketta3267]

Wow 20 minutes of recap followed by 40 minutes of explaning someones new job and complaining about someone elses irrelevant and supposed application for that job. Have to agree with Monty, the 2 weeks extra info were very much worth it...

[@skeel77730]

Summoning Insight in a nutshell

[@lolxd3464]

Worlds is most important tournament because it is viewd by players as their main goal to win. Tournament called world championship is most important because of how psychology works.

[@christianwallander2412]

The jelausy in this podcast on the markz new was heavy, definitly lowered my opinion on this show

[@Lounes378]

I think the problem in the goat video was the lack of consistency in the criteria used to judge teams Also most comments didn’t think current t1 was the best it was mostly 2015 or 2016

[@yhjjy]

Thats what they always do they take one bad take and act like that's what everyone is saying

[@fmagistel]

@@yhjjy Even if there is no one in the comments saying 2022-2023 T1 is the best, they will still conjure them up. These guys are the true T1 stans in the dark.

[@martinsonnleitner5516]

Nah guys. You just getting saltier and saltier talking like they spoonfed you wisdom. The Travis conspiracy is on flat earther niveau. How about ideas or anything new?

[@ennalivesketta3267]

Yea this is devolving their "journalism" into fantasizing about twitter drama

[@phoenixgaming20]

Thorin’s hate bonner for Travis is always entertaining, its like these two live in each others head rent free

[@monado550]

As a t1 fan, I agree I am a gizmo, a absolute gremlin, a total goblin. Keep up the good work guys, i guzzle down each video you make for the literal gallons of information they're worth

[@broefkip]

On the topic of the best ever team episode. It makes me sad to hear how it was received. I gotta say, I love that type of content, I love and appreciate you guy's expertise. I don't tend to comment it often though. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many people like me, we just don't scream as loud as the annoying stans. Keep it up guys 🔥

[@mauricewalmsley7035]

It was a great discussion. Many just feel that to be considered the best team ever, the team should have been good enough to win Worlds.

[@radekhruby142]

Its just T1tards attacking anyone no jerking off to T1

[@nc_aravindan]

​@mauricewalmsley7035 the people in this show consider "clutch factor" as a huge positive when they do sort of ranking. Going by that logic, the best team should be able to perform under pressure. This is worlds in LoL. Fully single elim playoffs means you have to find some way to win and survive. So yes, by their own logic and things they consider as good qualities, the best team should be able to win worlds.

[@lolxd3464]

Skt 2013-2014, 15-3 summer, 15-3 worlds, winter 15-0, all stars 9-0. Also Skt 2016 won both Msi and Worlds. These guys just focus on underrate Skt/T1 and overrate lpl teams.

[@ajca711]

It's what gets the clicks lol

[@MVPhurricane]

man the self-aware fourth wall -breaking in this episode is top tier LFN. i love that you don't shit on MarkZ. my original impression of him was from their podcast (i should, but can't remember the name...), and he annoyed the shit out of me at the time. but now i think he actually has really dialed in on his angle, and on his analysis. and he is a very likable guy.

[@juandejambe1960]

I get to like this twice. Once when I watch the stream and again when it comes out. You could say 100% increase in 2024 already, right Monte?

[@HarryKing-]

Congrats Monte and the Cristo family!

[@rumbleroar2]

my favorite show summoning insight aka "monte and thorin are mad at t1 fans for half an hour (and then they talk about some other topics)". happy new year boys!

[@bivmike]

Thorin with the saved by the Bell reference nice. Classy Thorin please keep brining the fire.

[@maradoyeho5558]

JDG winning a domestic league that has failed to produce a single all-LPL worlds final and that hasnt won Worlds in 2 years is not impressive LPL is infinitely weaker than 2013-2017 Korea. It's not even remotely close. JDG isnt even SSB/ROX level. They just played in a weak era.

[@OldMrGary]

As a World of Warcraft player I fully endorse the sentiment of this episode

[@RomnysGonzalez]

MARKZ is a great pick for the league honestly. He has been great for years. He's so much better option than having people who are just invisible and never in touch with the community. The only think i want MarkZ to change is the format. Just make it Bo3 already

[@Dynamiikz01]

they've tried bo3 before, and its when the league first started to die.. honestly its a shitty catch22, either we let viewership sit in the bin, but the league format provide more games for pros, or we stick with bo1 and try to push viewership up, but keep getting rolled by korea and china, for the viewership to die

[@matthewrichardson2271]

The series “Jobs I Never Applied For” could be a new social media meta.

[@MVPhurricane]

yo explosions in the sky is pretty damn good. thanks, thorin!

[@DIYisntDead]

As for not giving Travis the job: Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.

[@siinuxxblume5123]

I liked the discussion in the Goat team video. I think the strengths of the contenders are well represented and you guys are giving fair arguments for all of them and the only exception for this is unfortunately JDG. I dont watch LPL so you can choose to discard my opinion, because like you said, there is only a select few people that can form an opinion, who watched all the regions. The problem with this worlds was, that the eye test for JDG is underwhelming and most analysts watching the games ignore obvious mistakes for whatever reason. If you want an example: In the JDG vs BLG match go to minute 20 and tell me what both the team and especially Ruler are thinking. Hextech soul is up in a minute and you decide to run into melee range as kalista alone into 4 people, which you know of, since knight just died to them. Plays like this are repeatedly ignored and it makes eye test untrustworthy.

[@Dekharen]

You have to realize that JDG has lost 1 BO5 in the entire year (all splits, including MSI) and that BO5 booted them from worlds (Maybe 2 if there was one in the spring LPL, can't remember). And their BO3 record was mental too. They dominated domestically AND internationally - they were the biggest losers in the format of worlds. Take a couple hours one weekend and watch them dismantle pretty much every team they faced on 2x speed, it's a great watch :>

[@siinuxxblume5123]

@@Dekharen The video was about the best team of all time. Pretty much all of the contenders have dominated the field to some extend, which is also why you are going to take the eye test to compare them. I dont see how this team performed comparable to Samsung White at worlds s4 or SKT in s5. Just going over accomplishments, they got no real advantage compared to SKT. The only thing they didnt win was a 2nd place at MSI. I think that Samsung is way more impressive tho. It took some time to get going, but they were unbeatable at worlds, which you cant say for JDG. If the Korean exodus doesnt happen there is a chance, that they repeat their s4 worlds performance and we dont have a debate about the best team of all time.

[@Dekharen]

agree to disagree, watch the games@@siinuxxblume5123

[@theburden9920]

@@siinuxxblume5123 sure Samsung will always be the best because the Innovation they brought to the game while teams like JDG wasn't even close to the creativity that samsung has.

[@cryfest]

Id love for MarkZ to have both Thorin and Monte as his henchmen in the LCS. Would be hilarious.

[@doggmcfish6222]

the saved by the bell joke was on point

[@lewj8]

Godspeed You! Black Emperor is one of the best bands of all time. And Lift To Experience is a cult classic band. This plus the Boards Of Canada shoutout last time has me respecting Thorin's music taste.

[@grone1778]

Original Gremlins is legitimately a fantastic movie, the fuck are you on about

[@IncomprehensibleFool]

Congrats Monte

[@barnabonker]

I think that one was a very interesting episode - I rarely comment tho, because I listen to the podcast while commuting or stuff like that

[@darksplash2191]

Monty, never thought you liked post rock, any thoughts on yndi halda? Their first album is amazing, also saw them perform in new york

[@onceph1858]

Jdg is the best team of all time because they won 2 lpl and an msi. Worlds doesnt matter surely right? Imagine calling a team the best when they literally didnt won worlds lmao. SKT 2016 WON MSI AND WORLDS THAT YEAR.

[@extr3mest]

watching this while im playing wow on the other monitor and why you gotta come for me like that lmao

[@LetsPlayBojangles]

I for one think Markz is going to kill it, knowing him he's going to fight for expanded control within the position. As a product lead he needs to be able to control all aspects of the E-Sports production, marketing, and play/rule set to truly be able to brand it the way he wants. He's also pretty likely to out last the corporate gremlins above him who will jump careers for a 4% raise and can either promote or consume powers of the role

[@haas9827]

We be chilling 😏🎉

[@OwenAlekos-mh7yw]

Having 2 currencies values of the same currency. Requiring an exchange. 60,60,24,x,12 19,19,19,19,19. (With 4 season special days). Regarding how having a two step verification can make 3 bitcoins be transacted with only one exchanged per interaction. Thus 2 neurology maps of financial reporting records records being in pockets, wallets, and different coin measurements. Obviously, using the Gregorian calendar with the 60,60,24 system would be public system and be as cheap as a penny with a network but the commissioner would be doing a two step verification and require an exchange rate being receipted. Despite not using the 19 system to pay.

[@Feartheviper]

Toundra is another great post-rock group from Spain I believe.

[@0rionninja]

Great piece of content thorn & monti, a side note thorin's sometimes either peaks or goes too gainy and I find myself rewatching trying to understand the point he is trying to make idk if it because of KZbin compression or maybe sometimes they both talk at the same time, 😅 nevertheless spitting facts as per usual ❤

[@zakk2153]

Okay? So Worlds is just whatever when considering GOAT teams? Quite a shocking opinion when most if not all pros at the highest/lowest level, view it as the ultimate achievement and put such importance and effort towards it and during it, i'd guarantee you going back from 2013 to the present, pick any team and a player from the event they'd agree in an instant 99% of the time. Some legitimately want just that and nothing else matters to them after, personally. Arguably or not, a lot of the best moments in esports history/of the entire game's lifespan come from Worlds. I'm not saying that failure invalidates JDG completely and what they have done up until the end but when it came down for them to actually prove what you guys are saying to the whole world, they didn't. When they needed to be, weren't the best on the eye test, clutch, not innovative and fundamentally, the trait you're defining them for, didn't work i suppose. Worlds performances should absolutely be a major factor in these conversations but not make it or brake it all, we can agree on that. I don't know if you guys are flip flopping on this topic all of a sudden, i would have to go back to years old videos, one by one on such discussions and compare the consistency. Either way, very strange...

[@sadig6426]

I don't think that they are trying to say worlds is "whatever." But you basically explained why they don't take worlds as the most serious hyper competitive tournament. Cause things like JGD can happen. Obviously in a perfect world it would be cool to have every team play against every other team 100 times and see who comes on top. You would think worlds would function to be a good approximation of that but because of it being a smaller sample size, outside game factors, and the shitty tournament design itself it doesn't even come close to representing that. For example NRG made it to the main stage and they definitely beat the odds and did great but they are not even in the same galaxy when it comes to comparing them with the other teams in the main stage. Unless you think NRG is a serious contender for being a top 8 team in the world? These are just examples but maybe they explain the spirit of why Monte and Thorin don't take worlds seriously as representation of the actual top tier skill in League.

[@roachdoggjr4648]

Worlds is viewed as the highest prestige tournament because you are competing against and besting other countries, which is a very strong sentiment for Asia especially. But realistically it is harder to win LCK or LPL than it is to win worlds. Also with how much more competition was provided at MSI this year, along with the better double elimination format, it means so much more for JDG to win that tournament than pretty much any other tournament in history as far as competing against the highest level of competition and having to go through a whole double elim.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@sadig6426 JDG happened because they were a team that had real flaws but tried to mask it with talent alone. They weren't the most cohesive team. They didn't even have the largest champ pool. Also terrible take thinking JDG will take it in numerous attempts. JDG just looked awful at worlds. LNG and BLG series showed they have huge championship flaws and rely on Ruler to 1v9 in a lot of scenarios. Even the KT series should have went to a game 5 but ruler bailed them out. Can't be a great team when it's just one guy carrying the dead weight when JDG can't win an early game.

[@roachdoggjr4648]

@MrDespisedIcon but they don't say worlds doesn't matter. They said depends what your criteria is. If it's pure eye test, then winning worlds doesn't matter because by that metric JDG was the best team by far all year by eye test. Yall just make shit up to get mad about I swear lmao

[@LYNNJACKY]

so are we gonna get more bronze scrapes with markz being the commissioner?

[@justinbowman3567]

That is the reason I have not watched Gremlins in a long time. I just know it won't be as good as back in the day and no way it has aged well in many aspects.

[@SquishyBush]

Wheres the Rekkless video?

[@solii01]

I think the GOAT team episode was great. Don't let the haters bait you into "defending" yourself

[@Hagleboj]

Idk the Napoleon movie was just bad and weird. I really love the history of Napoleon and the time period and the movie was really weird.

[@cowboyevan]

I thought Napoleon didn’t look very good. The colors were so muted and soulless to me, especially because I had watched Chinatown the night before. Didn’t particularly enjoy Napoleon and was the worst movie i saw in theaters this year.

[@kaigra77]

Bru ofc you honor worlds there is the most stakes

[@will5110]

1:09:00 second that Grave of the Fireflies call out. I never want to watch that movie again. Not because it's bad, but because it is just too awful to think about for very long.

[@jihadalott992]

I think the hardest part about naming GOAT teams is that people tend to look at perspectives from an organization or decade perspective mostly due to the fact that most sports we watch have dynasty’s that last for similar periods. We forget that most of the teams in consideration didn’t stay as a team for very long and the fact that it is a 5 man roster means even replacing two or three guys makes it basically an entirely new team. When you think of dynasty’s in football like the Patriots, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, all those teams had a core group of players for 5-10 years. With league you’re lucky if a roster stays together for 1-2 years and it’s almost a safe bet that players will be cycled out of the team every/every other split. This allows teams like JDG to enter into the conversation bc the barrier for entry is a lot lower due to rosters changing so much

[@potheadesens8725]

It's really simple actually. If you don't win the biggest prize in the field, you can't be considered even as a reasonable candidate for a GOAT team. For example, I doubt more than 1 percent of NFL or NBA fans would consider the 2007 Patriots or the 73-9 Warriors as the GOAT teams.

[@Yasukeh]

Crown was a better mid laner in 2017 than Faker because he won worlds. @@potheadesens8725

[@Y3llowshm3llow]

@@potheadesens8725 See there's the problem, what is the "biggest prize" in the field? Most would instantly go to worlds just because of the prestige. But if you take a step back and quantify the quality of competition in specific years, you'd see that from a pure strength of competition and robustness in format, you'd see that worlds was not the biggest prize. That's the biggest issue, we arbitrarily say that worlds matters 10x more because of xyz without allowing any sense of nuance in the conversation.

[@potheadesens8725]

@@Y3llowshm3llow Playing 100 times to determine the better team is not replicable in the real world and rote repetition is boring to watch anyways for most people. This is the reason all the major traditional sports have single elimination end of the year tournaments to decide who the best team is under the scenario with the highest stakes.

[@potheadesens8725]

@@Y3llowshm3llow Also to add, if you ask most pro players what their goal is in their career, the overwhelming majority would say winning Worlds.

[@Habeev07]

Tusk is a heavy movie

[@maradoyeho5558]

Monte "JDG is better than any T1 roster ever" Monte "Marin,Bang,Wolf,Bengi,Impact,Wolf,Piglet,Mandu were all overrated and not that good, Faker just carried them to every title" Also Monte "Rookie who has won 3 trophies in 10+ years is arguably better than Faker. Faker isnt as clear of the rest as people believe he is even though I literally run the narrative all his teammates were fraud and he carried them to dozen of trophies"

[@orim8495]

Bro think about some of Rookie's teammates tho 😭😭 Since 2019 his teams have been target inting him

[@hahahobo247]

montes intellectual honesty was compromised few years back, basically whatever Dom/Thorin say now, he is the Travis Gafford of thorin and dom essentially strange change in personality, watch his interviews from 5-10 years ago, very honest and opinionated about what he believes, now you can hardly tell the difference between monte and thorin/doms takes, and when a show gets to a level where no single persons opinion is easily distinguishable, that's when you know it's run is over my guess is the marriage and kid made him a more impressionable effeminate individual than before

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@orim8495 Nah rookie been giga washed. Guy has been awful since 2019 Summer. He legit isn't even top 3 GOAT mid based on how bad he fell off.

[@orim8495]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg Awful is crazy. It's not like Faker has been on top these past few years either. Give Faker Rookies teammates and I doubt he's going to perform better than Rookie.

[@orim8495]

@@hahahobo247 I agree that Monte is sometimes just nods along to some of Thorins takes even tough you can tell he doesn't agree and it's a bit frustrating. But on the other hand I doubt the show would be very entertaining if they got into a fistfight over everything. At the end of the day it's an show about LoL it's not the end of the world if it doesn't have top tier rhetoric. But wtf are you yapping about his "intellectual honesty being compromised" and him being more "effminate" and "impressionable". Pls go outside talk to real people.

[@oligarch030]

Goats

[@klone57]

Absolute banger episode

[@gregoryhilton5315]

I, a pleb, who knows nothing of league of legends, thought the greatest teams of all time episode was really interesting and evergreen content.

[@roachdoggjr4648]

Gimgoon, Bengi, Crown, Ghost, Baolan sounds so monumentally bad as a team holy shit lmao

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

Should be Flandre, Ning, Crown, LWX, Baolan.

[@roachdoggjr4648]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg Flandre was way better than Gimgoon when he won tho

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@roachdoggjr4648 Nah Flandre peak vs Gimgoon peak I'll take Flandre. Flandre was carried by the graves top meta. Guy was hot garbage.

[@roachdoggjr4648]

@Gurpreet-sv5zg yeah Graves meta carried him but he wasn't nearly as dogshit as Gimgoon. He still did his job very effectively.

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@roachdoggjr4648 Gimgoon was a good weakside player. Flandre was not a good player but found a champion to not run it down with. That's the difference.

[@healthyasmr9246]

monte calling out the silly 'only worIlds matters' takes was my fave part.

[@reysolo3672]

1:37:35

[@nc_aravindan]

Cry more

[@user-ov5nd1fb7s]

What do you mean "this iteration of SKT"? There is no such thing. When people talk about sports teams winning many championships, no one tracks how many of the same players are on the team. The team is just considered the best. There is such a thing as institutional memory that extends to sports. SKT is the best league of legends team because they won 4 world championships. Period. Part of the competition is a team getting players that would win that championship.

[@johnmartin5954]

They ment roster of players. Skt is the best org, nobody can argue that

[@cadhla2989]

​@johnmartin5954 I thought this was pretty clear, too. So idk who homie is trying to comment on

[@user-ov5nd1fb7s]

@@cadhla2989 nobody gives a fuck about rosters. Everybody is talking about SKT, the organisation. Do you know why? Because there is no way to judge rosters. Rosters are not something that has longevity. And the most important thing in sports is longevity, winning consistently over a long period of time. This is why i assumed they were talking about the organisation. So they are talking nonsense either way.

[@cadhla2989]

@user-ov5nd1fb7s I'm trying to come up with an even remotely polite way to respond to this, but frankly, your comment is just incredibly ridiculous. People literally do track which players stay on teams after winning championships, regardless of the sport. If they didn't, then we would never have this discussion of GOAT rosters or GOAT players to begin with. I can only hope this is bait at this point

[@user-ov5nd1fb7s]

@@cadhla2989 when people say Real Madrid or Barcelona is the greatest football team ever, they mean the organization, not the current roster. I don't know where you are from but in Europe this is how it is.

[@the_beemer]

It always scares me how much braindamage is exposed when people comment on this content I don't wanna live in a world where "But they didnt win worlds, so how can they be the best" is good logic to people. Their worldview is so stupid they couldn't even explain to you how not every Best of series ends 2-0 or 3-0n since by their logic skill is static and skill and performance are exactly the same thing

[@potheadesens8725]

so are you the type of person who thinks that the 2007 Patriots or 73-9 Warriors are the GOAT

[@the_beemer]

@@potheadesens8725 I don't even know if that's Basketball or Football. But since you're here: can you tell me why not every Best of X Series ends 2-0 or 3-0 if the better team always wins?

[@potheadesens8725]

@@the_beemer That argument is invalid because if you just want the better team to win you would need them to play close to infinite number of times to assure certianity which is clearly impossible to replicate in the real world. We dont want to see rote repetition anyways hence why just about every popular sport in the world have single elimination end of the year tournaments to decide who performs the best under the scenario with the highest stakes.

[@Y3llowshm3llow]

@@potheadesens8725 I mean that argument has a ton of flaws. I can only speak for the basketball aspect but it's not a direct comparison to league, due to the fact that NBA playoffs are Best of 7's whilst regular season has been BO1's for a vast majority of the game. The argument they've been making is that the worlds format has been vastly inferior to domestic formats and even strength of competition. May I remind you MSI this year has weighed a lot more than any of the prior tournaments. Also dominance and Eye test are always taken into account. Some wins are heavier than others and that is just a simple fact.

[@Y3llowshm3llow]

@@potheadesens8725 That is not due to the people not wanting to see repetition but rather the physical limitation of how much you can put the body under stress until it breaks. But also the finance necessary to hold double elimination for these respective sports. Also the highest stake's comment is complete bull how many shitty finals do we have to see till we get a format that produces the best competition? I've come from fighting games, specifically Tekken, and the stakes dont randomly decrease just because it is double elim.

[@gangasflo9445]

Yall need to get a better editor - your content being weeks behind the pulse is losing you subs and views

[@nosuitsgiven]

We have to have the convo about Travis because it’s Cosmic Justice.

[@hellsSG]

Does anyone elses SI start with "right, we're back for viewer questions" now a days? Love you guys but can't stand league esports anymore since not enjoying the scene or the game in the slightest. Only took me 13 years.

[@vashkarpalma8165]

MarkZ is another puppet with fancy title with no real power. Lol

[@NewWorldSinner]

You guys aren't showing up in my feed and there's not a lot of content creators I would ask this of but can you clickbait me and make more trashy thumbnails that break me free of the dopamine hell that is the youtube front page?

[@youtubesucksbutts]

"This version of T1 is the greatest team of all time because they beat JDG, the supposed greatest super team of all time!" Oh, yeah that logic makes sense. So, tell me. Who was a better boxer? Mike Tyson or Buster Douglas?

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

JDG would be manny pacquaio. Good in his run but when faced against a better competition boom clap knocked out or decision hard.

[@theburden9920]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zgbad analogy

[@theburden9920]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zgmanny pacquiao got stronger when the competition got tougher thats why won 8 belts in 8 divisions so your analogy is inaccurate

[@Gurpreet-sv5zg]

@@theburden9920 Just an FYI boxing has numerous titles from different federation. The weight class jump are very minuscule in nature. flyweight, 112 pounds (51 kg) super flyweight, 115 pounds (52 kg) bantamweight, 118 pounds (53.5 kg) super bantamweight, 122 pounds (55 kg) featherweight, 126 pounds (57 kg) super featherweight, 130 pounds (59 kg) lightweight, 135 pounds (61 kg) super lightweight, 140 pounds (63.5 kg) welterweight, 147 pounds (67 kg) As well, considering boxing match making (arguably the worst of all sport competition) it doesn't mean much. Do you think it's normal for boxers to randomly go 20-0? It's because they pad fights to sell.

[@theburden9920]

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg considering hes the only one whos done it tells you a lot??