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@MicahsIntellectualCorner2 ай бұрын
Definitely not the best analogy for slavery, I mean them having an issue losing money and generational wealth while simultaneously being ok with tearing whole family trees apart is pretty evil, especially when by this time the “Am I not a Man and a Brother?” picture was already 30 years old technically 70 years old.
@onlawk15102 ай бұрын
personally, I care more about the lives of innocent slaves over the livelihoods of wealthy Southern land owners but I guess that's a weird take
@HistoryBuff2 ай бұрын
So you're against abortion then?
@onlawk15102 ай бұрын
@@HistoryBuff I don't consider a fetus to be an innocent life
@HistoryBuff2 ай бұрын
You just proved my point
@Blazeit-rj3eb2 ай бұрын
@@HistoryBuffcope harder
@fatfeline1086Ай бұрын
Even the ones who did not own slaves did often rent their services from slaveowners, Also, they usually aspired to someday be wealthy enough to own them themselves. In addition, and this is probably the worst, they were very much in favor of at least having social superioroty to black people, and this alone is why they were committed enough to fight a war even tho they had no actual slaves.
@michaelsauls11422 ай бұрын
Although only a small population of the United States owned slaves the practice affected the culture of the United States and especially the South greatly.
@TerryT32423 күн бұрын
Not really. Most people were poor and kept to small area.
@AIHumanEquality2 ай бұрын
In this era slaves were not that expensive and there were massive plantations that took up huge chunks of land so saying only a few owned slaves is downplaying the fact those "few" owned thousands of slaves or more. As mentioned in the video millions of slaves were still owned as property who owned them the masses or a few people is completely irrelevant to the situation. Incorrect about the North not having raw materials. While the south was plentiful in plantation goods the North still has plenty of land with resources. Even though they were more industrialized than the South it still wasn't massive industry like you'd see today they had plenty of necessary materials including farms of their own.
@bobsylvester88Ай бұрын
Most of what you wrote I agree with, but slaves were not inexpensive. If they were everyone would have had some. A healthy adult male in 1858 cost approximately $800. That over $32,000 today.
@AIHumanEqualityАй бұрын
@@bobsylvester88 They weren't cheap but they also weren't luxury goods. Maybe I didn't clarify what I meant in my original post. Also the price of slaves varied a lot so I'm not sure where you got that they cost $800.
@bobsylvester88Ай бұрын
@@AIHumanEquality just Google it. Its out there. Actually that’s average price. Prime field hands and attractive young women were more.
@FishHatcheryGuy2 ай бұрын
Y’all should react to Oversimplifieds first Punic war and 2nd Punic war series :).
@michaelsauls11422 ай бұрын
Arguments that slavery was justified just for economic reliance ignores the white supremacist language of the time that was used to justify the practice and the war.
@A_reasonable_individual42Ай бұрын
It was both my man. Why do you think there were moderates in the republican party at that time.
@michaelsauls1142Ай бұрын
@@A_reasonable_individual42 what really grinds my gears about the soldiers who fought in the civil war is that every one of them would have been hearing white supremacist speeches and had the secessionist documents read to them. Those speeches and documents made it clear that white supremacy was the reason for secession and the war.
@disturbed4everluke23 күн бұрын
there were 4 million slaves in the south. 5 million citizens there. i have to disagree it was "very minimal comapred to the whole of the united states." 6:35. though i'm sure they were owned by the elite and few and you're correct in that. great video!
@stinkbug43212 ай бұрын
You guys skipped right over the battle of Chancellorsville.
@williambranch42832 ай бұрын
Stonewall Jackson's final brilliant move.
@wismsgreАй бұрын
The picture of the Gorila butt was when he said the word "but"
@GN-jn1tyАй бұрын
Everyone thinks Lee was the genius, but he went on a big 0-for after he lost Jackson. Hmm, who was the genius, ya think?
@tcsam7321 күн бұрын
I got my bachelors degree in US History 22 years ago. I know what you mean about some things being hazy.
@Iulian872 ай бұрын
Nice. You can also do the Napoleonic Wars by Oversimplified next.
@leorolland2 ай бұрын
Really nice video, appreciate both of your inputs, makes it even more interesting!
@victoriarobinson6793Ай бұрын
Concealing a hand in one's coat has long signified gentlemanly restraint and was often associated with nobility. "Manly boldness tempered with modesty"
@AIHumanEquality2 ай бұрын
Being a historian doesn't end at getting a degree. I relent to call anyone a historian if they aren't willing to keep learning and having good faith discussions about history. This isn't personally directed at anyone I'm just saying I see far too often people who want to shut down discussions about history over their feelings about things which misses the entire point. We study history to learn from it and that learning should never stop. You can have discussions about history that don't need to turn into heated arguments or shouting matches.
@HistoryBuffАй бұрын
This is EXACTLY my reason for what was said. It's a true no no as one officially studies history to be the judge, jury and executioner on the people of the past using a modern lens. I had a whole course on the dangers of "whig historiography, which is exactly that. Especially when it is politically weaponozed to target a current group of people. Things we do today, like eating meat and using combustion engines may be viewed as an inherently evil act by those 200 years from now. As with these things, as well as abortions, we have reasons for still doing them, even if the people involved believe they are wrong. In the case of slavery, I wanted to bring to light that it was not as black and white as people say. There was an entire spectrum that spanned from militant abolitionist to tortuous slave owner. Many in the middle either didn't actively support it, but had to fight for the confederacy, owned slaves, but knew in their heart it was wrong but couldn't take that step. People even worried about how it may have been worse to suddenly release their slaves and what that would actually do to them. Some owners were incredibly kind and treated their slaves decently. Again, not that it makes it right, but as you say, people don't want to talk about this and paint with a giant brush that everyone and everything in the south before 1865 was evil.
@AIHumanEqualityАй бұрын
@@HistoryBuff But you're missing that causality or reason doesn't matter if the outcome or action is bad. To use your example of combustion engines, whether using fossil fuels is evil or not doesn't matter. It is killing our planet and that's a fact. What matters are the facts and there is no right reason to own slaves. The fact we live 150-200 years beyond the time of American slavery shouldn't be reason for justifying why it happened but given us insight into why it was wrong, regardless of what the views at the time were. This can be applied to any terrible moment in history. They also historically thought it was okay to genocide or torture people that doesn't mean it was ever okay to do. I do however agree that using history to politicize things doesn't help anyone which is why I never side with anyone based on political ideology but just what's best.
@HistoryBuffАй бұрын
Well said
@VyperByteX2 ай бұрын
Okay...I want to be nice. However, comparing combustion engines to literally owning another human being, is the absolute worst analogy I have ever heard. That was a big swing and a miss. You can't remove the human rights talk, and try to talk about this subject in any justifiable way. It is a human rights issue, period. Yes, you're probably right some of the owners knew it was wrong, and that arguably makes them worse, not better.
@hopwaffles2 ай бұрын
go cry about it in twatter
@HistoryBuff2 ай бұрын
Ok, fair enough. You want a better analogy that includes human rights, let's talk about abortion. This is clearly a human rights issue, but the majority have justified it because pregnancy may pose an undue burden on the mother. As a society, we have collectively deemed it "acceptable". Similarly, There are many women who feel it is wrong, but go with it anyways because the alternative isn't ideal. Does that make them worse?
@VyperByteX2 ай бұрын
@@HistoryBuff Apples and oranges still. We can debate on how far developed the "human" in question actually needs to be to be considered a human, it's actually debatable. There isn't a debate to be had here, at all. Owning another human being is morally wrong, and if you think otherwise you're objectively wrong, but at least in that case you can argue you didn't think it was wrong. If you knew it was morally wrong, but not only did nothing to try to stop it, but also PROFITED from it anyway yes, I would consider that worse.
@Dylanhya2 ай бұрын
@@HistoryBuffbro just couldn't wait to hamfist his conservative talking point under the guise of "history". Why must you make an analogy to modern times to understand history? Are you that desperate to spin a political narrative?
@Blazeit-rj3eb2 ай бұрын
@@HistoryBuffconsider it a human rights issue when it concerns a human, not damn embryo. I care more about the living person than the one that’s yet to live.
@bobsylvester88Ай бұрын
I want to preface my comment by saying I liked your reaction. I will be checking out the channel. You guys are the only ones I’ve seen do this in one video and liked that. Usually I wait for the second part to drop and watch them together. Like most people however, you seem to judge most of Abraham Lincoln and the North’s actions based on the standards of today. You stopped the video and took issue with how anti-slavery Lincoln was. He certainly wasn’t up to today’s standards, but he was born 211 years ago. He was very anti-slavery for his time. Abraham Lincoln was an unknown lawyer from the west who became President based on his speeches about the slavery issue. He was so radical for his time, and scared the South so much with his rhetoric, the half the country seceded just because he was elected. That’s like California and New York leaving just if Trump is elected. Lincoln was initially hesitant to emancipate because he was still hoping for a short, mostly bloodless war, an armistice, and negotiations to unification - as he stated at the time. That was impossible if he attempted to free the slaves, something he specifically said he wasn’t going to do during the 1860 election. After the realization the war was going to be personal, because most of the generals were alumni from West Point, ugly, bloody and long, the Emancipation Proclamation was conceived. Ready to be implemented less than a year after the war’s start. It was always the goal of the Republican Congress, and was always Lincoln’s eventual goal. So how anti-slavery was he for his time? His actions on slavery divided the country, caused a savage Civil War that killed approximately 800,000 Americans, and was the reason for his own assassination.
@skxlter57472 ай бұрын
Please do the cold war and WW2 next!!
@HistoryBuff2 ай бұрын
I feel like we did WW2 already. Maybe it was WWI
@DaremoTen15 күн бұрын
You kids should do Checkmate Lincolnitea. I always enjoy seeing people's reaction to that.
@etsap1236Ай бұрын
Sorry for the haters. I imagine as a historian you try to look at everything with an unbiased view of our modern lense, but I don't think many people have learned to do that. Keep up the good work.😊
@patriciadurr7245Ай бұрын
I don't care about a small percentage
@williambranch42832 ай бұрын
Funny, SAN (standard American narrative). The Yankees would have invaded, even if there were no slaves ;-) New England is predatory.
@BigLn112 ай бұрын
I didn't say you were evil but the acts committed by slave owners dude
@TerryT32423 күн бұрын
What about the Africans who were capturing and selling slaves to the west?
@The_Anti-Guide22 күн бұрын
Lincoln didn't let African-Americans loose with nothing. His first attempt was to set up Lincolnia in Central America, which would have been a nation composed of former slaves. This fell through because central American nations argued that this was unfair for a number of reasons. Lincoln turned his attention towards setting up Liberia, which partially succeeded. The reason it did not succeed as much as it could have, was because Frederick Douglas started a movement that sending them to Africa was unfair, since they had been enslaved and tossed aside. I understand this point of view, but I hate Douglas for this particular reason due solely to the fact that moving to Liberia was voluntary and was not forced on anyone. There was no reason to complain they were being tossed aside, because the trip to Liberia was a choice that had to be made by now-free African Americans. In my eyes at least, it seems as though people had a genuine interest in "going home" and Douglas said "No, you shouldn't want that."
@TheCarpentryTheologian2 ай бұрын
15:45 Not to mention that freeing slaves would bring consequences towards them, such as capture and death.
@opticalghost906519 күн бұрын
The civil war also wasn’t just fought entirely over slavery. That was a main reason for it yes, but other issues were also at play as well such as states rights to seceed from the union legally etc.
@nunyabiz830526 күн бұрын
Chicago is the best example of what happened when given freedom
@BigLn112 ай бұрын
But you fail to mention the cruelty and treatment of the slaves. That's evil.
@denofgames20722 ай бұрын
Bro how is that evil
@denofgames20722 ай бұрын
Not mentioning something doesn’t make you evil man
@HistoryBuff2 ай бұрын
No, I get what they're saying. I said it was a mindset back then, which didn't automatically make them inherently evil. They're saying that action alone displays evil.
@Blazeit-rj3eb2 ай бұрын
@@HistoryBuffit does display evil. No matter who you are or what situation you are in or why you are like that, owning people is inherently evil.
@williambranch42832 ай бұрын
Cruelty and mistreatment of wage/credit slaves down to present?
@UnlicensedOkieАй бұрын
I understand the analogy with combustion engines. Doing something that is considered morally wrong, but it is widely accepted by those around you, and even if you don’t like it, you are financially dependent on it. Look at Great Britain at the time. Everybody talks about how they abolished slavery before the US, but what a lot of people don’t talk about is how Great Britain got a lot of their cotton from US plantations. That is why they supported the Confederacy, even though they were, for the most part, morally against slavery. I think they mention this in this video, but I can’t remember.
@HistoryBuffАй бұрын
Yep. Things like eating meat, abortions and driving cars are in this gray area where some find it evil, some don't, some do, but it will greatly affect their lives if they forego it. A lot are saying it's goofy to compare slaves to cars, and by today's standards, it definitely is. But back then, they certainly were considered property.
@UnlicensedOkieАй бұрын
@@HistoryBuff exactly People need to turn off their “modern mindset” for a second to think about stuff like that.