Marshall Berman on Robert Moses

[@kevinbergin9971]

It is of course impossible to justify the placement of the Cross Bronx Expressway. However, remember 2 things: 1 Ever since the George Washington Bridge went up in the 1920s there were plans for such a road-well before Moses came to office. 2. Prior to the Cross Bronx, trucks came across the G.W. and spend most of the day in local traffic trying to navigate through The Bronx; Those trucks were generally not even delivering to NYC or Long Island but going up to New England.

[@curtis2299]

The problem was not that the CBE had to be built, but the callous inhumanity it took to build it. Workarounds would’ve cost money. Couldn’t have that. Screw the people. Do it cheaper. Now look. It’s the least successful highway in America. Wins most crowded every year for decades.

[@Xand223-fy8ry]

The problem was not that they did it but the way they did it they decided to cut cost by disinfecting everyone that lives there and it’s most of the people who live there poor or minorities they just went ahead with out consenting, those things, though if they try to widen it or fix it, it’s just constant traffic and constant delay. If they never build it, there would’ve been semi trucks in the streets of New York.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

This was and is a terrible road but with the GWB right where it is where else would it go? To get to New England and Long Island from New Jersey and points west and south there is no other alternative except to go around via 287 and 278, both of which didn't exist at the time.

[@MrDust2011]

Well they could of just connect it to the i95 and deegan. And build more transit projects in the tri state, since its mostly local people that use highways. More options means less people drive.

[@BOOGLEMANN-m2j]

CAPPING THE CBE ! BUILD A FREE WAY DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE LONG ISLAND SOUND ! ALL THE WAY TO NEW JERSEY ! THEY SHOULD BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING ! AS THE CAP !!

[@abcdef-kx2qt]

put the cap on the CBE ! use new land from cap project to build affordable housing. put a cap on RR park ave line - bronx, 132 st -190 st. use land for affordable housing. build on the long island sound " A florida keys style overseas highway " . this will relieve the CBE

[@martindugan2299]

A bridge over LI sound was proposed. The Seaford oyster bay expressway was supposed to cross the sound into Rye NY but was shot down by the federal government after they were pressured by local communities that would have been negatively impacted by the expressway and bridge. A tunnel was also proposed but was deemed too expensive. Today the Seaford oyster bay expressway abruptly ends at Jericho Turnpike. But you can still see a 2 or 3 hundred foot finished section as you exit.

[@kevinbergin9971]

@@martindugan2299 Another proposal included going from LI and ending in CT but they residents in that state said no also.

[@TheMaxundmoritz]

Why is Northern Blvd just as fast if not faster than the Cross Bronx?

[@johnscanlan9335]

Northern Boulevard goes through Queens into Nassau and Suffolk counties. It's NOT in the Bronx at all.

[@kingsittystudios2400]

cross bronx sucks, worst built road in the nation.

[@seleccionmultiple2905]

I started reading Caro's book from "One Mile" chapter (where this project analized) and find is the most boring of all the book: full of very subjective opinions, not compelling at all to me as a reader. I was very tempted to stop reading The Power Broker but I tried from other point and find is a really good book indeed, very entertaining and well written.

[@jp783]

lol what?!

[@IanMcCausland]

starting there was your mistake. by the time I got to this chapter, my outrage was fully formed.

[@davidheitman7004]

that's how we move forward! and compensation.

[@kevsta67]

people always complaining about robert moses and the highway system in n.y.c. these same people would be crying even louder about the traffic congestion in n.y.c without all of these expressways and parkways. it's the big city. don't like it then move to a little country town witha population of a few thousand people

[@rockintetster]

I have seen many different accounts of the construction of this highway and how it “ruined” a Bronx community. Each time, the producer fails to explain the bigger picture of this project. This is not just The Cross Bronx Expressway, this is interstate 95, the most important highway up the entire East Coast of the United States! This highway needs to pass through New York City at some point on its journey up the coast. Once the George Washington Bridge was completed, the only logical place to put I-95 was across this bridge. Subsequently, after crossing the thin sliver of upper Manhattan, the shortest route up the coast was straight through the Borough of the Bronx. To those scorn Robert Moses for the construction of this project, I suggest you look at a map and come up with a better route for this most important of highways!

[@MrDust2011]

You are saying it had to happen. (It didnt). The people in the video are saying that it distrubted many neighborhoods. (It did)

[@rockintetster]

@@MrDust2011 It did have to happen.

[@robertba7802]

@@rockintetster they had a different route proposed about a mile from the cross bronx but moses rejected it to run this shit right up the gut of minority communities. Moses was also head of public housing therefore he basically got to pick where many minorities live.

[@rockintetster]

@@robertba7802 And if that alternate route were chosen, wouldn’t there be the exact same outcry except by a different neighborhood? Please understand this was one of the most important pieces of infrastructure in the nation, the urban neighborhoods were on their way down anyway.

[@HayastAnFedayi]

@@robertba7802 what minority communities??? The cross bronx went primarily through caucasian neighborhoods namely Jewish and Italian...if you want to critique the project or Robert Moses at least know the facts and not the same myths his detractors have been screaming about for years.

[@andrew_trucker]

Sad

[@abcdef-kx2qt]

MAKE A Overseas Highway LIKE FLORIDA has through the long island sound !! This will solve many problems !

[@martindugan2299]

They had plans for it. The Seaford Oyster bay expressway here on LI was originally designed for a bridge from LI to Rye NY that would have picked up highways into Connecticut. That idea was shot down by the Federal government pressured by local towns that would have been effected. A tunnel was also proposed but again it was shot down for the same reasons. Today the expressway just abruptly ends at Jericho Turnpike in Syosset. But you can see about a 2 or 3 hundred foot finished section as you get off the last exit.

[@jp783]

Sure, it would create another set of totally unpassable roads. The traffic it would create would be mind boggling, forget that the materials it would use would never pass through an environmental review. You're smoking crack.

[@dannyrussell7333]

Lmao looks like I found the ghost of Robert Moses haunting the KZbin comment section

[@kevsta67]

no money for that. the dems spend all of our money allocated for our infrastructure on a the tens of millions of illegals that they bring into this country

[@HayastAnFedayi]

2:57 pretty amazing he accomplished it...progress keeps moving...I’m sure all the detractors never stepped foot or benefited at all from any of Moses’s public works projects🙄

[@benh5366]

All these rich Jews in ny love to complain same reason there is no bridge to Connecticut

[@kingsittystudios2400]

what benefit?? it's the most congested road in america, constantly flooding,have you ever been on this crappy road????

[@HayastAnFedayi]

@@kingsittystudios2400 I said “any” of his public works projects, and yes I have been on the Cross Bronx…most congested🤣

[@kingsittystudios2400]

@@HayastAnFedayi Jones beach was a good project

[@arol10555]

No way would your sweet, Bronx dreamland exist today. Robert Moses was a visionary.

[@germslev5541]

He was in the 20s..he became a fuckin Nazi in the 50s

[@xandervk2371]

A visionary who gets credit for turning South Bronx into a ghetto.

[@empirestate8791]

Bronx existed long before Moses. Without everything Moses did, the Bronx would instead be a booming, thriving neighborhood with much better mass transit.

[@curtis2299]

Screw you! You know nothing!

[@stuartlee6622]

Democrat propaganda. It was needed! Still is!

[@HayastAnFedayi]

Couldn’t agree more, I’d love to see all the Moses detractors react when they would see what would happen to NYC if all of Moses projects that were so “bad” suddenly disappeared 🤦‍♂️

[@stuartlee6622]

@@HayastAnFedayi

[@rockintetster]

Agreed! It’s I-95- the most important highway up the east coast.

[@kingsittystudios2400]

the road is a nightmare,if republicans knew everything west virginian's would have teeth

[@louisyeostros4978]

@@kingsittystudios2400 : hey bud Nassau County is Republican…we have teeth