Martha and Jack leaving the Doctor together hand in hand!

oh and Mickey joins them! but what does jack mean.... Torchwood for Martha Jones????(yes please!)
My Martha/Jack shipper heart when crazy at this scene!
Tom Who????? lol
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[@jaydenyugi9034]

*Mickey:* There’s nothing there for me now. Certainly not Rose. *Jake in a corner somewhere:* 😭😭😭

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Like I always said: Rose was the love interest, Donna was the best friend, and Martha is the girl that got away.

[@caliscribe]

Think of all the companions the Doctor has lost over the years, in various ways -- especially after what happened with Rose, he was trying to shut down any sort of emotional attachment out of fear of going through that again, and out of fear that Martha would meet a similar fate. In a way, the Doctor and Jack are very much alike -- both unable to die (Jack resurrects, the Doctor regenerates), both doomed to see those they care about leave them, either departure or death.

[@KatieRuby]

I always wonder about Jake on the parallel world 😂 just one day his mate Mickey never comes home!

[@TheRedGoldfish]

For all we know they may already have said their goodbyes prior to him teleporting

[@kingofsavage2442]

Jake should have come back in Journeys End. He’s considered a companion as he was featured at the Doctor Who Live: Afterparty.

[@dan290786]

@@kingofsavage2442 i still wouldn’t call him a companion as he didn’t travel in the tardis but hey that’s just my opinion

[@Majjboy]

... and then Mickey pushed Jack to the ground and stole Martha :D

[@myturningtables]

The Doctor really cared for Martha, but he didn't want to feel affectionate to her because he didn't want to lose her like he lost Rose. The Doctor promised Martha one trip, but couldn't resist to drop her off again, so she became a full time companion and a come-back companion.

[@nateowen1064]

Exactly, plus they were so cute together!

[@alexdavison259]

Honestly mickey and Martha should have joined the torchwood team, it would have been nice to have a fuller team for children of earth

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

I understand. It did seem cool, but I thought Jack's gesture was protective as well loving, like he was making certain the Doctor didn't do anything again to lead Martha on or hurt her. And it seemed from the moment she materialized on the Crucible, he was right at her side; it was like he didn't want to risk losing her. I think the Doctor understood Martha and Jack had moved on beyond him in many ways.

[@adamali1976]

Wow you made me think about think in a whole new way..... 12 years after you commented it. Hope you’re doing well mate.

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

@@adamali1976 doing okay. Had major family losses a few years back, and it stunted my enjoyment of the show’s time travel and Character resurrection plots; changed the way I look at many similar story lines. However I had family growth as well - I think 12 years ago I was just a grandma- I am a three time Great grandma now and I got to get in on the first batch of Covid Vaccines. How are you?

[@adamali1976]

@@Bobsyermomsuncle I'm doing alright thanks. Glad to hear you're okay.

[@DoctorWhoKage]

I love how Jack says that he's not so sure about UNIT, implicitly trying to convince Martha to join Torchwood, knowing damn well that Torchwood's no better. 😂

[@dstroy]

Martha Jones is insanely hot... I mean, aw, Marha/Jack.

[@magicbaby44]

i can't believe she didn't even get a hug! what is this world coming too !? i love martha! best companion ever, i almost cried when she left ! i hope they don't cut her! she deserves to get a proper goodbye at least!

[@keren.b_9642]

Am I the only one who thought the doctor had a crush on Martha but he didn't want his love for rose to go away

[@rosechuma2006]

...yes.

[@absolutelychampagne]

I agree

[@nateowen1064]

Agreed

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I think the Doctor did like martha more than a friend (whether he loved her or just liked her is questionable) , but I think that is why he pushed her away so much. Even David and the writers talk about how the Doctor is impressed and amazed by her and that she was the one he picked out of everyone else. They talked about how the doctor cared about martha(though I didn't see it).

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Martha is like a human version of Romana though. The Doctor lost Romana too even though she was a timelord. I think the Doctor's biggest problem is with losing people. In season three I don't think he was only upset about losing Rose. I think that he was upset about losing all his companions and Rose was just the latest blow to him. He was really hurt losing her because she soothed the wound of the TIme War.

[@nateowen1064]

Romana is the princess and Martha is the queen, perhaps 15’s new companion Belinda will be the goddess

[@kylephantom4]

I wonder why RTD never included Martha or Mickey in Miracle Day :-/

[@prof.evilpictures8696]

they were busy...

[@nateowen1064]

They’re the best trio

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

Actually the question put to Moffat was which of the new companions did he like; he was asked as a viewer not a writer. He said great things about Rose, (Of course in the same interview he calls her "needy") and was glowing about Donna, but he didn't mention Martha at all. But the whole Martha supporting the Doctor does fit in with the character willingness to look after him.

[@kingofsavage2442]

Well Moffat is hardly one to talk. He only likes female characters who overly sexual and are obsessed with the main character like River, Amy, Clara and Irene Adler.

[@Charliestrife01]

The Martha hate is so bizarre. I genuinely think it’s because she’s black… she got a lot of flack just because of that fact back when it was announced she would be a companion. Like you can read up stuff about it it’s pretty sad to see imo.

[@emmaclarke4518]

jack and Martha are friends but there Is something there and the doctor feels guilty especially with his face :( he knows she loved him and he shut her out

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I was sad when she left, but I couldn't help being amused at the Doctor being upset. I was thinking 'Serves you right.' He really screwed things up with Martha. I am glad she got away before he destoyed her like he does to everyone else. Not like he didn't already damage her but she learned from it and got out before it went too far. As much as I love Rose and the other companions, I just adore Martha. If the Doctor doesn't want her we'll take her!

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

Mickey knows a good woman when he sees her.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 I was totally surprised when RTD married Martha to Mickey. I don't have anything against Mickey I suppose but as for as the episodes were concerned she barely knew him, even if Tom was a rebound from the Doctor, I didn't like the way that was done. It would have been great if Riley turned up and came for Martha, now that would have been romantic and as girlie as it seems, I felt that is what Martha deserved to be swept off her feet and cherished, not just suddenly married to Mickey.

[@Meangrl19]

I realised why Rusty did what he did. He is a Martha/everyone else but the Doctor shipper. Did you notice? Owen/Martha Jack/Martha Tom/Martha Mickey/Martha Riley/Martha and who knows how many more. I can side with Rusty on that one. I ship Martha with everyone but the Doctor too. Everyone else treated her well and for the ones who didn't she stood up to them. The Doctor treated her bad and she let him so I think their relationship would be destructive .

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 I agree Russell T. Davis lost his way writing the scripts. RTD created a perfect companion in Martha Jones for the Doctor, they were perfectly matched emotionally and intellectually then RTD destroyed their relationship and by doing so he made the Doctor seem self-destructive and somewhat unstable. The Doctor destroys his life with Martha for what? Did Donna add something to the Doctor's life he didn't have in Martha? No, it seemed the Doctor lost more than he gained.

[@veritytonks]

LOL at the pop-up. The Doctor as a closet Martha/Jack shipper - never considered that, but after that look, who knows. :)

[@kheldara]

Jack/Mickey/Martha ftw! ...This might be the only scene from the finale I'm accepting as truth. :p

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 RTD did the same to David in Casanova. RTD was the writer for it and casanova was in love with a woman who loved him, but stayed wih the other guys anyway because of his money. I've never really seen much of the confidentials. I guess I need to try to make sense of that. I don't understand why he would think it was funny for treating Martha like that. She is one of the greatest characters he ever created. It's kind of odd for him to put her down like that.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Actually I am glad Martha didn't end up with the Doctor. Noone can stay with the Doctor forever. Martha didn't need him, but he needed her. Even if they did get together she would have been the one leaving him. Their relationship didn't make any sense anyway. No offense to the Doctor by why would the beautiful, intelligent, perfect girl fall for the geek? He should have been greatful a girl like Martha even looked in his direction.

[@jordinyc]

You know, after that scene, I was all "Yeay! Martha's gonna be on Torchwood. Then I thought about her actually beeing on Torchwood. THINK ABOUT IT. She wouldn't cheat on her husband. So, .. she'll be like a virgin at a college party. "Oops sorry, didn't know anyone was in this room .. you two just .. carry on .. and use protection!"

[@TheWeepingDalek]

Depends if mickey joined torchwood too. Since mickey ended up married to her

[@Lucille7777]

Forget Jack, Tom, Mickey, the guy who kissed Martha in the "42" episode or anyone else, the Doctor and Martha need each other but, after all that's happened, their too stubborn to admit it.

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

Knowing what happen to Jack on Torchwood- his brother buried him for almost 1000 years or more in ancient Cardiff- I get really miffed at the Doctor for disabling his teleport. Jack and Martha stay on Earth and clean up the mess left after his visits -- he owes them more respect -- but that's just one of those too serious grown up observations that kinda take the fun out of the show -- so , Never mind....

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

I liked that too. I don't know about the Doctor but I think the Writers shipped Jack and Martha. lol

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

@Meangrl19 in the DW comics Martha shows up often, although she's with Mickey as consultant because she and Malcolm, the scientist, are buddies. I'll have to get the comics because the writers really like Freema and Martha, and create wonderful adventures for her.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 It just seemed like he might have one day been able to care about her the same way he cared about Rose. in fact sometimes I think if she stayed they would be/cold have been a couple, but Martha got out. It's best that she did. Even if the Doctor and her were together it would end in tradgedy in this case it's better to not have loved at all. The Doctor was too cruel to her. She needs someone who will treat her right.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I think Freema's contract was up at the end of series three and that's why he had to write her out like that If she would have stayed traveling with the Doctor I'm sure they would have gotten together. Why would you want that though. The Doctor was the geek and Martha was the beautiful smart girl. Their relationship didn't make sense. Martha could do much better than the Doctor. He treated her like dirt and she's perfect. I think she needs someone better.

[@Lucille7777]

@totallyDT I always dislike the Doctor for always disabling Jacks teleport. Jack is far more responsible than the Doctor as the Doctor does his damage and leaves other people to clean up the mess while Jack stays around and helps in the aftermath. I hope in any future Torchwood episodes that Jack and/or Martha are able to enable Jack’s teleport again (Martha gave Jack the correct numbers to operate the device again in Stolen Earth).

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Someone sent me message that the original script did in fact indicate that have the Master and Martha were connected in some manner. That would be an awesome series, can you imagine? Who could fine fault with that?

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 About the similarities between Chantho and Martha: If you think about it, Chantho's timelord killed her, is this foreshadowing the relationship between the Doctor and Martha. I don't know maybe I'm being over dramatic, but sadly I'd believe it.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I like her with Mickey, but I think they were showing Mickey and Martha in the future they were together, not in the present. Tom wasn't a rebound from the Doctor. She didn't go out with the Doctor and Freema and Rusty botth made it clear that Tom Milligan was in no way a rebound. I would have liked it if Riley came back too. Unfortunatley he'd need a time machine or the doctor would have to give him a ride because Riley lives in the future.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 You notice at the beginning of sereies three that her hair has that little girl style but by the end of the season she has it smootheed down, in a ponytail, or in a bun. So maybe they were trying to show that martha was maturing. That's my theory on it anyway. :) Sorry my post was so long youtube doesn't give you enough space.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 That is so sweet, I agree with you 100%...Except for one thing, Freema deserved, and we deserved her to come back in series 4 as the companion but this time on her own terms and not the Doctor's. Freema should have come back full-time as Martha. The show lost so much momentum without Freema. I'm glad Freema got another job with Law & Order UK but I wish DW had not written Freema out in the first place. They didn't know they had a good thing until it was too late.

[@SamsChanneI]

I thought this was going to be a set up for the next group of Torchwood being Jack Martha Micky and Gwen...which it kind of should have been, because lets face it...THAT WOULD BE AWESOME...and better than the American series going on right now

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 You are so right, Martha with her own spin-off is an even better idea. Martha traveling in space with her own crew. That would be awesome, how I wish that could happen!

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

They had jobs-Noel was making about four movies back to back, and Freema was making LOUK.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Great storyline. It really messes with your head. The Doctor tried pushing Martha away by season three because he didn't want to lose another girl he cared about. I noticed he always tried not to get too close. In the end it backfired on him. His plan worked and he pushed her away, but at the same time he did care about her despite his hard effort to not care about her.

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

I like to see the Doctor watch Martha and Tom from afar. Maybe the last David T. special takes place two or three years after this, and Martha is married working as Toms's partner in a Children's clinic and is blissfully happy and pregnant and the Doctor opts not to interrupt her life again.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 The connection between Martha and the Master in the original scripts. What connection? I never knew about this. He should have stuck with whatever it is I'm sure.

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

I do count Blink; he wrote her saying she had to work to support the Doctor then the Doctor ignoring her and whatever crisis to check out Sally.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 RTD said it more than once but I'm sure he said that during a commentary with David on Smith and Jones. RTD thought the Doctor's rudeness towards Martha was funny, I don't think David had a particular response, but in other Confidentials David appears uncomfortable with Martha's treatment and on one he said he was concerned that the Doctor didn't have to answer for it. That's why I feel sorry for David because the 10th Doctor was written to be such a douche bag towards Martha.

[@Selana]

I have no idea what would happen I mean, it makes you wonder why the weren't in children of earth...

[@kheldara]

He wasn't checking out Sally - she was telling him about his future! It was probably a bit important. :p Idk, writing short generic comedy in a Martha-lite episode doesn't strike me as getting to grips with the character. Moffat doesn't talk about her because he's never really had to consider her, not like Cornell or the other writers.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I think they did do that on purpose. Her pineapple hair really bothered me during season three. In Smith and Jones it didn't bother me, but when she had her hair like that for most of the season..... She is beautiful when she isn't in Doctor Who. She is just gorgeous and it seemed like in season three they really tried to dumb her looks down. She was still pretty, but when she is not on Doctor Who she is gorgeous!

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 I didn't necessarily want Martha and Rose to fight but RTD lost the plot completely as that would have been an awesome moment, as we women just know, we don't have to be told who the other woman is. No fighting but a common realization of who they are to the Doctor. However RTD became obsessed with backtracking pretending like D&M never had anything going on. In the Confidentials for Tennant's specials it seemed everyone was on board as if Martha barely existed, I resent that.

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

How are you?

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Martha could have done better and deep down she knew it. I'm glad they didn't get together because I think the joke here is that the Doctor did love Martha or atleast liked her more than a friend while Martha didn't really love him at all. I think he was the first real crush she had she was able to get close to that's all. She fell in love with him too quickly and then got over him just as fast. He however was hurt greatly by her leaving him. I can't blame RTD for that.

[@619ck154]

If only they joined Torchwood

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Those are exactly my thoughts as well, although she still was pretty, Freema is actually gorgeous and her looks were definitely dumb down on purpose in series 3 and that was unfair because she was constantly compared to another woman yet they purposely interfered with her looking her best I suppose to further justify the unrequited love stuff. In series 4 Freema look more like her true self.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Well if that was Mickey and Martha in the future than time can be changed and perhaps Martha doesn't marry Mickey at all. I watched a Sontaran Stratagem Confidential and Tennant referrs to Martha as being the Doctor's ex and that anyone would be nervous at meeting their ex and in the Lazarus commentary Tennant refers to Martha and the Doctor's "relationship." RTD back-tracked and didn't want them to be seen that way and Freema goes with what they want but I agree with Tennant.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I'd really love to see them have it out or maybe they can even travel together in some of the shows. You said you wanted to see her in space. Maybe the Master and her can travel in his tardis together. She can make him a better person like she did with the Doctor. As for the Rose people I don't why they can't leave Martha alone. I love and adore Rose, but let's face it Martha was the doctor. We could have got rid of the Doctor and she still could have saved everyone by herself

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Oh I definitely think they were making the point that Chantho wasted 17 years of her life with a man who wouldn't or couldn't love her and for Martha to take note. What offended me was that Chantho was a very alien bug she was not human in the least so it was somewhat understandable that the Professor could not relate to her that way, but Martha is not an alien bug but is very human, but she was treated like she was a completely different species from say, Rose. That was offensive.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 That is if we get people to sign the petition to get Martha her own show. I want to see the original scripts too. I wish Rusty would have stuck with them but can't do anything about it now. I'm trying to think up a good petition to get Martha her own spinoff show. I have my heart set on Freema playing Martha and John Simm costarrring as the Master. My problem is I have to make out the petition and be persuasive so people will sign it.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Well I blame RTD for everything it’s his scripts. I remember RTD saying he thought what he was putting Martha through was funny. It was not funny, it was sadistic and the real problem with RTD is that he is in love with David Tennant and his character, the Doctor, himself. I think it explains a lot about how the female companions were treated. Donna was respected because she was never a romantic threat in RTD's imagination.

[@Kerriangel]

LOL Jack's kinda like a protective older brother to Martha. but there is that little spark there. all we have to do is fan the flames ;)

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Well I'd certainly sign the petition for Martha to have her own show traveling in space. I don't want her to be married to anyone rather I’d like to see Martha courted and playing the field a bit. Noel Clarke has so many projects of his own, he produces and directs his own movies now and supposedly said he would not do DW again so they could either recast his role or you know, kill him off. Why can't the Rose people leave Martha be? Jealousy is a terrible thing.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Same here. Everyone else wants to see Martha and Mickey married defeating aliens together which I'd love to see, but not right now. I'd rather see Martha playing the field too. I am trying to start a petition with someone right now, but first we need to find a place to make one and then write it out so people take us seriously. I really have my heart set on Freema and John Simm working together as well.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I am about ready to have a petition started, but I know there are people that like Rose that will make a petition just to go against Martha having her own show. I love Martha though and really wish she'd have her own spinoff. Whether she was being the substitute Doctor traveling in space or whther she was working at UNIT with the Brig like the 3rd Doctor did. I don't care if brig is retired he came back for SJA why not martha's spinoff. I really want Martha to have her own show

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 One thing I'm grateful to RTD for is that he created Martha, she is an awesome character played by Freema beautifully. However, I'm disappointed in him that he backtraced from D&M's relationship in favor of the legendary Rose and obviously he caved to the Rose fans but if he'd kept on track with D&M it would have been a much better series particularly in series 4. RTD's best ideas he seemed to walk away from like the connection between the Master and Martha in the original scripts.

[@Domihork]

Wait, what connection between Martha and Master?

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Martha was like the Doctor and if she and the Master traveled together that could only be a good show. My problem is by three oclock today i will be away till sunday night. I will work on my persuasive petition then. I have alot of ideas abou the show, but there are people who won't go for it like rose fans, people who hate the Master, and people who hate Martha.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Thank you so much. I'll be back on Sunday to give the details and hopefully I'll be able to get the petition started that night. Thanks for the support!

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Part Two- If they would have went any farther with the idea they would have given her pigtails. I only have this theory because I noticced they make David's hair spiky to show how eccentric he is. Then when we see Marhta again in series four when she's 'grown up' her hair isn't as silly looking. It is straight and taken care of like an adults.

[@DWDeb]

Agreed on both! :D

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 The biggest problem is that some people don't like Martha and most that do don't like the Master. I think the Master has changed in teh End of Time though and he will wrk onto being a better person with the help of Martha. Of couse they'll fight sometimes, but Martha would only do him good. She'd really help and preserve him becoming a better person. Everyone wanted a season where the Master and the Doctor traveled together so this can be it's substitute.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I was dissapointed in teh End of Time when they didnt get to have their final face off. I heard both of them were going to be in it and assumed they were going to fight again and they never did so I was very dissapointed. John Simm said he wouldn't act as master to any other doctor. So maybe he'll act as Master still on a Doctor Who spin off just not with any other Doctor besides Tennant like he said. Freema and John both said they wish tehy had done more work together too.

[@Herswasthesky09]

Yeah, well...Jack certainly liked Martha very much...but his heart was already gone to another Jones. ;-) But Martha, Mickey, Ianto and Jack would have made a brilliant TW 3 - okay, have Gwen, too, if you need to, but I didn't. They would have been great for TW 4 as well...*sigh*

[@Lucille7777]

@Lovebug8779 Yes I agree they went way overboard and it's just not believable even for fictional series.

[@cerooscuas]

The 10th doctor was the only doctor to regenerate alone ;-;

[@harrietjonesformerprimemin2545]

Uhh Capaldi regenerated alone...

[@cerooscuas]

@@harrietjonesformerprimemin2545 i guess but he was regernerating for a long time and had an experience that gave him peace of mind and made him ready to go the 10th didnt, he regenerated afraid

[@Sinnoh201]

That was actually suppose to be the cast of Children of Earth, Jack, Gwen, Martha, Ianto and Mickey. However, because of Law and Order UK, Freema was unavailable and because of Adulthood, so was Noel. Which is why RTD created Lois Habiba, a character which was based on Martha. I wish they could have gone through with that group. Those 5 would have been an awesome team for Torchwood 3.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I didn't know he said that. No it wasn't funny. Atleast when she came back in season four she wasn't in love with the Doctor. I noticed RTD like Rose and the Doctor more than anyone else. It didn't work if he was trying to sabotage the other characters though because I love Martha, Donna, ext.... I don't like the Doctor....atleast not when he is around Martha.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 They surprised me in LOTTL because when Martha started laughing I thought the Master was going to start laughing with her like so cliche betrayal. I relly thought Martha was on the Master's side when she laughed like that and she was laughing cause she tricked the Doctor, but it was the other way around. I really want to know what their connection is. So yes please get back to me about it. Maybe they can include this relationship in the spinoff with martha.

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

Good question. The Doctor says this is "The Price they have to pay?" What about Donna?! That's a huge price. Other than the Dimensional Canon, which is chaos theory nightmare, what did Rose do? He's punishing the Human Ten by exiling him from the Tardis and all he knows, (like River!) and Rose is some kind of Nanny/consolation prize? A little sexual healing is supposed to make him less angry? I was happy to hear that Russell was good with that ending either.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 Oh I loved when she came back in Season 4! Personally though I wish she wouldn't come back to Doctor Who. I love her character, so I'm hoping she get's a spin off. Personally I don't want that d*ckhead the Doctor around her. He puts her down all the time and she doesn't deserve to be treated like that. If it were up to me she'd be the Doctor traveling in the TARDIS with companions, not the real Doctor. Unfortunley it's been his show since the show began.

[@SamsChanneI]

If they couldn't do it for Children of Earth and just took those characters out of COE then why couldn't they use those characters for Series 4? Is it because now that we're in the Matt Smith era the writers didn't think that people would expect those characters to exist anymore? if so that's silly. Hope Jack and 11th Doctor meet at some point, love it when new incarnations of the Doctor meet people that he met when he was someone else :)

[@alicesweetheart]

guess they thought they didn't need to, all the fans would know who they were

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I also had the theory that maybe they made Martha's hair like that to show how childlike she was. I'm not saying she's childish. I mean that Martha didn't really get to experince life. It seemed like her mother kept her from having a social life like Tish said in the Lazuras Experiment. This is just a stupid theory, but I think they might have made her hair that way to show outwardly how childlike and innocent Martha still was.

[@Meangrl19]

@Lucille7777 I think Martha could work in UNIT still because they did with alien situtations and she can travel in space with the Master. So that way there are Earth epsiodes and space episodes. I'll put my thought together while I'm gone and send you my ideas for it. I really want to make a petition for a show with martha and the Master traveling/working together. I'm really hoping that people will sign the petition. I have to make a persuasive arguement first though.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 O.K., anything I can do to help please let me know. I'd love to see this happen too.

[@Lucille7777]

@Meangrl19 Yes I've been told more than once that in the original scripts there was some sort of connection between the Master and Martha and I speculated that perhaps that's one of the reasons the Doctor was attracted to her, she may have had the "air" of the Master about her so to speak. I just e-mailed someone who will hopefully give me more information and I’m about to e-mail someone one else as well, so I'll get back to you on this. I want to see a copy of the original scripts myself.

[@icon9472]

I wanna see Mickey in a Torchwood episode :/

[@3000agape]

Did you see the look on The Doctor's face when Jack took Martha's hand and walked away? He's not over her? Can you blame him?

[@Meangrl19]

I agree. It sucks that that didn't happen.

[@Sinnoh201]

Its because Starz took over for Series 4 and wanted to make it more American by adding more American cast members, also Freema was busy filming Law and Order UK again.

[@Lovebug8779]

@Lucille7777 I have the nagging suspicion that you are right. Freema is incredibly beautiful and personable. It is unbelievable and unrealistic that Dr. Who would ignore her completely and not have any interest in her even if they did not end up as a couple. Watching the clips from the show one can clearly see that David found Freema to be attractive by the way he looked at her. Therefore, I think the show's producers/writers went overboard trying to downplay Martha's/Freema's appeal.

[@Selana]

Rose though she was staying in this universe. She didn't know that would be there final goodbye

[@kheldara]

He doesn't talk about her because he never wrote for her, unless you count that 30s in Blink. Doesn't mean he's deliberately missing her out or something. Anyway, he's always preferred his own creations to Rose/Donna/Martha, so I doubt we'll see any of them again - especially given his opinion of Rose isn't all that savoury!

[@3000agape]

@sasimljemihuddy Ten came back for Martha at "The End of Time". He loved her so much, he came back to claim his "reward", but to late ... oh too late!

[@dennismclaughlin8219]

Sorry, his love was always Rose

[@peopleskarmasquad1042]

Do you think Martha and Captain Jack got it on?

[@xxdrosexx]

But no-one can beat the man himself...

[@171186]

When there is a new Doctor in 2010 I don't think we will see Rose, Martha and Donna ever again. It wouldn't be the same to see them with another Doctor.

[@group2gaming]

would be nice if mickey and martha's kid shows up as a companion or side character like Kate Stewart!

[@tayer4j]

like in forest of the dead they say to stay out of the shadows and they are running across shadows like every 2 minuets

[@kylephantom4]

I know, TW 4 wasnt bad, and it was quite interesting story, shows that its not always aliens that Torchwood investigates and that they also investigate paranormal. And the move to America gave it a CSI sort of feel, but if they make another series, then I dont care whether they are still in America or not, but I want them to make it feel like the first 2 series, I mean, the Rift is closed thanks to The Doctor

[@Bobsyermomsuncle]

Please take the comment as it was intended: Lightly and teasing.... But really Martha became primarily the Doctor's cheerleader. She was more developed on Torchwood.