Martial Library: "Savate" by Bruce Tegner

[@zxcvbnm6669]

Great video love watching it one more time

[@jblakey]

I've been looking at Tegner's Karate: Empty Hand and Foot Fighting, and i have to agree with your position that Tegner was trying to teach what he was only vaguely familair with. That doesn't seem surprising, given that he produced something like a book a year, covering many, many martial arts. Thanks for the review!

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

Thank you for watching. Coming from a karate background myself, I already have some thoughts on his karate book. The man was a prolific author, and for a certain generation was probably their introduction into martial arts, but with some books I get the impression that he was over-reaching.

[@Scorch1028]

Savate kicks can be positively devastating. Bruce Lee incorporated Savate techniques into his Jeet Kune Do.

[@errolthomas9426]

There are elements of Savate in Jeet Kune Do

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

Thank you for watching.

[@errolthomas9426]

@@fighting.words.ma.library You're welcome Osu 🥋👊🏼🐉🐅

[@dajoker8998]

Jesse Enkamp said savate moves come from the sword?

[@moepanetta9028]

Did you do a review of mike staples book on white crane kung fu????

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

Not at this time. In fact, I don't have a copy of that book. I have created a playlist of my reviews of Kung Fu books, if you'd like to see what I've done already. Check it out in the Playlist section, if you'd like. If you'd like to sponsor a book review, please consider donating to my Ko-fi account. There should be a link on the home page, as well as the description of this video.

[@ferdinand6761]

I’ve been looking for this book for a long time, may I ask where you got it?

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

From a second hand online bookseller. I just saw it listed somewhere last night, too. I can try to find specifics in a few hours when I get home, if you'd like.

[@otisbeck5327]

I got this book in my library. I got this exact edition from an acquaintance many years ago. Since then, I got other books on Savate like the one authored by English authors/savateurs Philip Reed and Richard Muggeridge and old French Boxing manuals translated by Matthew Lynch. Yes, a lot of the techniques demonstrated are karate-like and the stances are like the rudimentary version earlier Savate/English Boxing. It is of course very dated but still a great piece of literature.

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

Thank you for watching.

[@dhalav]

okay he clearly included something else into savate or just invented: the punching of a kick, the pseudo savate kick you showed in the beginning or the stance he had in the beginning (boxe française players had a very upright stance with fee close together). Until the 70's/80's boxe française was still pretty much traditional, like in the 19th century/early 20th century books. Players practiced boxe française alongside with la canne, a bit of fencing and parisian wrestling. It was practiced both as gymnastics and a self-defense mean. After that it went progressively more towards sport aspects and left the traditional approach aside. After the two world wars many players and teachers were dead, leaving only a handful players the charge to maintain the practice alive. Regarding the horse kick with the hand on the ground is typical parisian wrestling and was certainly still taugh in the 50's and 60's. Regarding the extension of the hand while kicking, if you watch Salem Assli dvds Mastering Savate he use the same posture because he learned from a traditional boxe française teacher named Bernard Plasait. In Assli you can see a mix between traditional boxe française and what was becoming sport boxe française.

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

Thank you for watching. It's been a while, but I think around the time of making this video, I was looking for Savate films or books that predated or were contemporary to this one, which led to some of my criticisms. In addition, it seems that there were two schools of practice in the early 20th Century: the Charlemont method, which used the arms to counterbalance the kicks, and the Lecour method, which did not. Renaud's "Defense dans la Rue" from 1912 (I own a translation) mentions both methods, although he primarily used them to contrast how the coup de pied bas is delivered. I've also seen some Lecour-based material from the early 20th Century that shows the arms being held close to the body during kicking. I would infer that the Charlemont method is more well-known, but certainly not the only method practiced. I suspect that Mr. Tegner may have seen something like Mr. Charlemont's 1877 book, or perhaps a later edition, where many of these techniques can be found, and if one doesn't understand French, might interpret the chasse-croise as that unusual chambering technique. I'm hesitant to assert this, so this is only my suspicion, but in comparing this book to my other sources, I'm leaning towards that idea.

[@zxcvbnm6669]

I think the first edition of this book is totally different that the later versions

[@lonewolf5896]

Read lot of his books in high school library....

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

Thank you for watching. Mr. Tegner was quite prolific in his time.

[@Walter-c1i]

According to a student of his ,Tegner took a few lessons from a french Canadian with limited knowledge of the Charlemont method and Chausson, the bulk of the book is modified karate and his own ideas! There is no T stance in La Boxe Francaise, Savate,Chausson, or Dans La Rue! Also none of the above uses the edge of the foot or the ball of the foot because the arts were designed to be used when wearing boots!

[@zxcvbnm6669]

Boxers still block high and jam an opponent up look at george foreman and Archy Moore

[@FrankJeeves]

The commonality with Savate and Karate is no accident. Old school Savate looks like karate because Karate got many of it's maneuvers from Savate when the Japanese were nationalize and industrializing. It's quite possible however that Bruce Tegner mixed up karate with savate.

[@crisanderson5176]

I posted pictures from a 1958 Savate book that shows the various techniques in question on his post in a group on Facebook.

[@FrankJeeves]

@@crisanderson5176 which group?

[@dajoker8998]

No