Why 85mm Is Misunderstood

[@allee2445]

You are one of the few who explain the subject extremely well. Most KZbinrs just oohs and ahhs on bokeh. That separates a true photographer from a youtube gear head.

[@careylymanjones]

If you can't get enough bokeh from an 85mm f/1.8, you're doing it wrong.🤣

[@donbetosoy]

I agree, the way you present the information is just great. Thanks ...

[@andrewdoeshair]

I took a trip to Ireland for work (hair stuff) and brought an 85 because I was going to be shooting hair models and wasn’t thinking of tourist stuff when I packed, but on that trip I recall shooting a castle with what I had on me and it changed everything. I was blown away by how massive the castle felt in the frame and I couldn’t believe how straight the lines were. It looked so regal and other worldly. So on my next trip (Iceland) I brought an 85 and a 135, and my friends thought I was crazy, I was doing it wrong, but to this day I see photos of wet people in the mist of a tiny and warped Skógafoss, surrounded by other tourists, while I was shooting my wife in the parking lot with a 135mm as the powerful waterfall engulfed the frame as though it were coming for us while little tourist ants speckled about the distant background to be easily removed later.

[@ShutterNChill]

The 85mm / 135mm is absolutely fantastic for landscapes and sights, and they make me walk around a bit more, so a lot more healthy as well. The venerable EF 85mm F1.8 USM is absolutely gorgeous on a mirrorless, it is my favorite lens next to the Sigma ART 35mm F1.4 (well, very different focal length, a completely different story...). It still has that painterly dreamy style to it as it has on a DSLR, but it has insane resolution added to it. Healthy resolution, not that over-resolved look with neutered colors of the mirrorless lenses. And it's light enough to take on trips. ;

[@ericcastelazo6034]

I’d love to see these pictures I’m considering getting an 85mm, do you have them posted anywhere?

[@andrewdoeshair]

@@ericcastelazo6034 I don’t have them listed anywhere, but on my channel I have a video about “budget portrait lenses for canon EF” (aimed toward hairstylists and barbers who want to buy a first camera for upgrading their hair portfolios) and in that video there are a few sample shots of Ireland and Iceland through an 85mm lens. I believe the cover photo was also taken at castle Leslie in Ireland using an 85mm

[@charlieross-BRM]

Before I could afford my own camera I could take my dad's Minolta SRT101 anytime and after he added a 135mm lens I was in heaven. Mostly I was shooting trackside at TransAm races in the late 1970s, and white water paddlers. Those were and are some of my most memorable shots. The lens was very good for other shots too but always good when I shot with intent. I'm expecting a 7Artisans 85mm 1.8 at my door later today - just because. And good on ya' for experiencing Ireland.

[@foxyvisionsvideographer]

Do you think you could have done it with a 70-200 2.8 as well?

[@arianvangend2536]

I never realized this point about the background for the 85mm. Very interesting! Definitely have to put mine back on the camera for a renewed perspective on it now, Thanks so much!

[@ChrisM-yq2pq]

It brings background closer to subject

[@dmytrohryshyn]

I never had 85 prime. But I used 50mm. 1.8 with crop camera for a long time. It was on my camera 95% of the time.

[@LouisLuzuka]

same, I feel like its the same difference lmao

[@MartinCastein]

i used the 80d with the 50mm 1.8 as well, i loved that combination. have a look here and the next 3 pictures if you are interested 500px.com/photo/182646035/natalie-by-martin-castein

[@utube321piotr]

85mm look is not the same as 50mm on a crop, field of view or "equivalent focal length" are not the same

[@tonycanniffe2360]

Me too! Love the look.

[@LouisLuzuka]

@@utube321piotr why does it matter just enjoy taking photos it’s close enough

[@FeedScrn]

Those are excellent points about the background with the 85mm... Thanks.

[@JustinDoughtyphotoandvideo]

I absolutely love my 85 1.4 for street photography and portraiture. Its fantastic focal length forces you to think and work outside the box, adapt, and change how you shoot.

[@marijanbabic9742]

This one of the best videos you made. I didn't see people on KZbin paying attention on background when photographing with 85mm

[@MartinCastein]

thanks! im trying to understand why this one is doing so well.

[@pianoman1973]

@@MartinCastein Sony just released its 85 1.4 GM II lens, so many people probably looked up for reviews, and your video showed up on the side bar as a suggestion following it up :) Could be one of the reasons .. Anyways, great content ! Subscribed !

[@MartinCastein]

@@pianoman1973 oh thats interesting, i have been trying to work out what was different but that makes sense, i might see if i can use that as a thing then if thats the case. thanks for pointing it out!

[@eastbaystreet1242]

Thank you, Martin. Some people have to be hit on the head before they get it - I am one of those folks. Your clear emphasis on the background helped me finally understand this lovely focal length/lens. I have a vintage Nikkor 85 1.8 on a D800 as my usual second body for prime/portrait, and the Z 180-600 on a Z9 for my equine sports (jumping) shots. They happen pretty fast once the horse leaves the ground to jump over the rail, and they are pretty far away, with the distance varying significantly from jump to jump (and with only seconds between them). But for the quiet moments, the wonderful quiet moments, I will be exploring a better understanding of the 85mm. All the best to you - I am truly grateful.

[@samuelsmith6804]

I like the space it can give the subject(s) in the frame when shooting from further away. Particularly when it’s a couple, it's like you're not invading their intimacy or moment they are sharing, it gives a passer-by even voyeuristic/cinematic look. I don't have an 85 prime, I have a 55 and 105. but I probably use 85 on my zoom more than any other focal length.

[@georgedavall9449]

Good comment samuel

[@andrewcroft2570]

Great video, I love my 85mm 1.8 I use it quite a lot for my gig photography in smaller venues and paired with the 6D it's awesome.

[@oliverzweipunktnull6720]

Good video! As all of your content. Because of you I just bought a Canon Eos 6d brandnew! Yes, no mistake - brandnew, no clicks. A guy planned 2014 to start Photobusiness, but quit before start. The camera stucked on the shelf, wrapped in foil in the box. I couldnt believe it, but took the risk. Now I hav a brandnew camera made a decade ago. And I am so fascinated about the images.

[@MartinCastein]

Very lucky !

[@jamesshephard2013]

I bought a 6d new in 2018 purposely to shoot my US road trip, including sights like Golden Gate Bridge. It has done me proud for 6 years. I’ve now relegated it to my second body, in preference to the 5d mk3 that i recently bought used but in immaculate condition. They are both fantastic cameras.

[@HeathHolden]

The 6D files are quite beautiful, it is a special model for sure. Enjoy it and wring its neck, I used one for years photographing wildlife in Tasmania as a remote camera trap, after years in the hot, damp and freezing weather it just kept going.

[@HeathHolden]

The 6D files are quite beautiful, it is a special model for sure. Enjoy it and wring its neck, I used one for years photographing wildlife in Tasmania as a remote camera trap, after years in the hot, damp and freezing weather it just kept going.

[@tompurvis1261]

@@jamesshephard2013I do love the 5dm3. Good choice.

[@Chrsly]

I use my 85/1.2 (Nikon) for volume photography ( schools, sports teams, etc. ). Previously I used a 50/1.8. It's not a scientific study or anything, but I've been getting approximately 20% more $ orders using the 85/1.2 overall. For my sports portraits I often shoot outdoors, (baseball in particular) and I've seen almost 30% more $ orders over the 50mm. With that aside, I hadn't thought about the differences in composition as much since I have a pretty standard setup (in the shade, trees and grass in the background, using a 36" modifier and 200w flash). I've just started to set photo challenges (e.g., pick a prime and shoot for a weekend) for myself to motivate me to get out and shoot more for myself and be more creative, and this video has encouraged me to use the 85 first and see how things turn out. Thanks for the thoughtful video!

[@Skipsul]

There's an urban landscape / architecture shooter I've seen about who almost exclusively uses an 85 (and it shows - the lens itself is very travel worn). It's quite amazing what he does with it.

[@MartinCastein]

ive wanted to do this for a long time just 85 for landscape i dont suppose you know his name? just his name links are banned im afraid

[@yoki9743]

@@MartinCastein Guessing at Professor Hines or Opticalwander

[@Skipsul]

@@yoki9743 Professor Hines - thanks! Couldn't remember his name.

[@MartinCastein]

ok i will look him up, thanks!

[@carlosoruna7174]

​@@MartinCastein85 for landscapes is great when you do landscapes bring an 85 to try it ,geez how bulky is an 85 f2 nikkor or a 90 sumicron.. dropped 50s in 75 since then it's been 21, 24, 35, 85, 90, 180. Lol nikkors and leitz

[@JaredTremper]

Yes!! I just shot a wedding on Sunday and a significant number of shots were with 85mm F1.8 G. I just looked at my F stops…many at 2.8 or so…and just enough clarity of background elements (including people reacting) to make that lens a winner. I also agree: no need for F1.4 or 1.2 in most scenarios.

[@georgedavall9449]

EXACTLY! 👍

[@swanseamale47]

I used to love the 35mm with film. Recently I spent a few days shooting with just the 35 and 85mm primes. I found 90% of my shots were on the 85mm. For some reason I didn't find my old fave the 35mm cutting it now. Funny how tastes change with time.

[@steve-4045]

@@swanseamale47 I never had a 35mm lens and never missed it. In film days my wide angle lens was the 28mm. Eventually I found a good deal on a used 19mm lens. It was cheaper because the front ring was banged up so you couldn’t screw on filters. It came with a trial period (30 days, I think), and in my tests, I never found anything wrong optically, so I kept it. Great lens for its day.

[@costasprosperity3297]

I agree, it's not all about blurring the background, it's about telling a story. Although a blurry background does make the subject appear in the center of attention, it does give a creative look, actually I think that shooting at narrower apertures requires more skills, it requires more attention to details. If you own a 85mm f1.8 lens (like I do), in most cases there no need to buy a f1.4 lens. I might buy a 85mm f1.4 if I would find a very good deal, otherwise 85mm f1.8 is good enough for me.

[@cash3612]

I use the Canon RF 85 1.2 and have zero regrets. I love this lens regardless if i have it wide open or stopped down to around f8. Photographing cars at outdoor car shows gives me plenty of room to get the entire vehicle in frame while giving wonderful blurred images of the cars out of the DOF. I couldn’t be happier with my 85. Great video and thank you for the insight.

[@onlysublime]

So with 85, if you stand back for example 30 feet so you can capture more of the scene, at f1.4, the depth of field is over 3 feet or 1 meter. That should be enough to keep a couple in focus.

[@BobbyRoy]

85 has to be one of my all time favourite FLs. It gives such a gorgeous look, even when NOT shot wide open. Even at f2.8 or so, it provides such a wonderful look! Clients LOVE that 85 look, from my experience. ❤❤

[@michaelreaves6212]

85mm is probably my fav focal length, partially because I started with a 50mm on an aps-c body, great video!

[@RHC_NYC]

Such a great and inspiring video. Was just looking up tips for shooting with an 85mm, and found this, and now extra excited. Thanks for the awesome video. New fan!

[@DACnew]

Excellent. I’ve been too focussed on the subject! Time to lift my eyes to the BACKGROUND! 👏👏👏

[@saarin0tsorry]

I cannot tell how many times I go back and look over a group of shots and the ones with the 85mm f/1.8 are the stand outs? But I had never realized that the ones where the background was included were the ones I preferred! Such a great lesson! Your photos are also quite lovely! New to the channel today.

[@greenmedic88]

Love the 85mm; just cut back on its use as I noticed all my shots were looking like 85mm shots (imagine that); same compression, similar framing. All I need to do is step back into 35mm framing, close down another stop or two, and 85mm will probably feel fresh again.

[@lerx1980]

I like how you channel starts rolling. Got myself a 85mm equivalent for the XT1 and noticed this right away. Background is key and you have to think even more out of the box. And you need space. The 35mm is much easier to handle. I played around with 35mm on the 5D and use the 56mm on the Fuji now trying to teach my eye and push my photography further.

[@onlysublime]

85 is by far my favorite. But when I'm doing weddings and events, what I do as my main setup is I have the 85 1.2 on one camera and the 28-70 2.0 on the other camera. Too many times you're caught in a situation where you don't have enough space so this allows me to not worry. I'll also have the 24 1.8 in my pocket when I do need wider as well as my 10-20 4.0 in my bag. I much prefer this over the 24-70 2.8 because 2.0 is twice the light and the look is so much nicer too.

[@elram2649]

I got a 50mm F/1.8 some months ago. Next up will be an 85mm F/1.8 for portraiture work and a 16mm for real estate contracts. 😊

[@reesmarkham2140]

I have a Canon 85mm 1.8 and Love it. This video inspired me yesterday, so this morning I took the 85mm out for a spin. Thanks to you I changed the way I compose for my prints. The out of focus background is going to be subject from now on. The sharp focus foreground object is only going to complement the blurry background. God Bless You, and thanks again for your contributions to the Art Community.

[@MrsMysteryWoman]

85 is one of my favorite focal lengths for portraits- both cropped in close and far away. It also gives a more relaxed and natural vibe, because of the way the lens compresses things and it makes it easier for you to give your subjects some space. Since you need to get kind of far away for an 85 to get the full scene, I like to use it when I’m photographing couples and I tell them I’m just testing the light and because I’m further away than I would be with a wider angle lens they sometimes forget I’m even there and I tell them to just talk and relax for a minute and I end up getting the most natural, relaxed, “real” shots. I recently switched from a full frame DSLR to a crop sensor mirror list camera but I still love the 85 mm focal length. Although I find myself using the 56mm a little more often now - but that’s basically equivalent to an 85 mm on my crop sensor.

[@Reviews4fun1]

85 is magic and it’s unique. Like you said, most average phone snapshots are in the 24-28mm range but the telephoto give you a more unique look that most people can’t achieve. I find myself rarely using a 24-35mm range these days unless I’m indoors.

[@Sooch900]

This video made me subscribe immediately! I’ve watched a zillion photography videos here on KZbin and no one has nuanced and impactful information like you have! This is next level photography theory! Wonderfully and eloquently stated insight about the 85mm focal length. I’m off to watch your 50mm video and the rest!

[@petrpohnan875]

Very good point and excellent pictures in the video. This is exactly why I love so much my Sigma 105mm f/1.4 for full body portraits on a FF or even MF camera (Fuji GFX). The background compression together with some context given by the distance from a subject and nicely blurred surroundings give so appealing and special look.

[@DanielWOstler]

I bought my first 35mm camera from a photojournalist. It came with a 105 mm lens because that was what he always used. As he handed it to me, he smiled and said: 'Take a couple of steps back'. That slight compression of the background made a world of difference once I took those steps. The start of my love affair with slightly long lenses.

[@vc2251]

Beautiful work! Thank you for sharing your expertise and artistic vision. The 85mm is going to be my next lens.

[@6rimR3ap3r]

85mm can be really versatile. After being super comfortable with 135mm in London I brought only 3 lenses to our second Tokyo vacation: 20-35 f/2.8, 85 f/1.2 and 135 f/2. As things happen the 135 needed repair and that could only be completed after the vacation... So I was "stuck" with the wide angle zoom and the 85 for the whole two weeks. The amount of lovely images taken with the 85 made me appreciate it a lot.

[@rosskramm206]

Great video. I have the canon 1.2 and fall into the exact trap you describe. I start bringing in the background more thoughtfully. My favourite lens.

[@oadefisayo]

I'm primarily a studio portrait photographer and the 85mm is hands down my favorite lens to use

[@76steps]

Love 85mm. Great advice. Thanks again

[@des7638]

awesome content and great points. ive been shooting for years and know instinctually some of these concepts but hearing you explain them so simply is wonderful and refreshing. thank you

[@Tom_367]

Wonderful photos you show us here! I started with a 85mm 1.8. When that did not work I bought a used 85mm 1.4. Recently I bought a 85mm 1.2. I really like it, although 1.2 is not recommended in every situation.

[@skylinevspec000]

I appreciate this channel I have always tried to photograph models in 135mm.. brings a lovley compression

[@krzysiekk1616]

Sir, i just found your channel and I'm already consuming as much as I can. So much knowledge in such a short time, without fooling around. Thank you!

[@MartinCastein]

well thank you! glad you are finding it all useful!

[@josgeusens4637]

You see, that's one thing why I like a fast zoom: whenever I find the background is not the right size (too small or too large), I can adjust the size of it with a zoom. With my 28 to 80 mm f/2.8 I can be more flexible. The 50-135 on my crop camera is also more versatile in that aspect. Although, if all these things would render my 85 f/1.8 useless, I would have sold it a long time ago. The Nikkor 85 mm 1:1.8G is super detailed wide open with manageable fringing and wonderful bokeh. For the price I paid for that (300 euros), I would not want anything else. However, changing the size of the background is also possible with prime lenses, but requires you to change your distance to background and subject, which is not always possible. The most important effect of an 85 mm to me, is because especially the objects in the background are enlarged and therefore less objects are in the background. This gives me more control over what is included than the shallow depth of field does. I also have the fantastic 180 mm f/2.8 and with this amazingly sharp lens that effect is even more pronounced, but since the difference with the 85 is so extreme, it is less useful. (But I really love that lens). Indeed I cannot imaging ever selling my 85 mm. I have used it for the most different photos, including portraits, but it is also a welcome tool for landscape or architecture. Cars and boats look better than with a 50 mm. There are so many things that we should leave untouched for the 85 mm.

[@joopruck924]

I bought the Canon 85mm f/1.8 recently and I'm very pleased with it. I almost never use the lens wide open, because, as a portrait photographer, I want both eyes in focus. And you're right about the background: you have to be careful, but what you'll get is amazing!

[@Ltmlaine]

I used to have an 85 f/1.4 but abandoned it for the 70-200 f/2.8 when moving to the mirrorless system. Now I notice myself really missing an 85 prime.. Mostly for the background. You are absolutely right in this video.

[@andrefelixstudio2833]

When I was shooting for Penthouse® or Playboy® magazine I use a 85mm for most of my small camera (35mm) images it will give you a great looking image with good prospective!

[@ChrisM-yq2pq]

Didn’t they use 4x5 at one point

[@PooMonkeyMan]

The timing of this coming across my feed is impeccable. I only recently started back on shooting with my 85mm because I really liked the F1.2 look and I didn’t want it sitting around. Being on the telephoto end, I’ve found it great for street and urban photography as I’m no longer up close with people but standing afar to get that look.

[@dereksmith41]

Very thought provoking video, I’ve got a 56mm f1.8 on a Fuji body, and learning the best use for the lens. 😊

[@tiborbogar7739]

Great video, very useful presentation. I like the simplicity, more like clarity of your videos. Thank you!

[@tomrozsas]

85mm lenses are among my favorites. Olympus also has a great 75mm (150mm equivalent). I loved that lense too. Used it for a wide variety of subjects.

[@zwilg4723]

When I first plunged and got a mirrorless camera, I also got 35mm and 85mm lenses (used). On hikes, walks, events etc, the Zeiss 85mm is on the camera 80% of the time (usually at f/2.2-5.6). It is a fantastic sharp lens which also forces you to be creative in composition. I've felt this has helped me a lot to improve in my hobbyist photography journey. My only gripe is the longer minimal focus distance, making it difficult to take closeups of various objects (e.g. leaves, flowers etc).

[@robwasnj]

What a great take on the 85, not a gear review. I shoot a lot of stage performances, one of my favorite lenses is the 135 however it doesn't allow me to get enough in the frame at times. Haven't bought an 85 yet and have been using a 90mm 2.8 macro instead but really would like something a bit faster. Now the background... wow, it's SO KEY to supporting a photo. I find myself moving my position around the stage to include elements, other performers, etc in addition to the subject. 85 is good for this and keeps it simple enough, 50 is often too wide and can look boring. Well done video, youtube needs more of this.

[@jdebultra]

So true, background. I use the 85 1.8 on my EOS 1 and the 5DC. On my F2, I use the 105 f2.5. I'm usually at f/2.2 and 2.8. For close up head shots, the original EF 100 f2.8 macro at F4 to f5.6. with the F2 head shots, 105 f2.8 macro.

[@golight1]

Thanks for this video. I buy many lenses second hand. About two years ago, an almost new 85 1.8 fell into my hands at a bargain price. At that time I sold a 70-200 and was looking for some kind of replacement, so decided to buy. turned out to be one of the best buys. I use it on the street, in the studio, photographing rock concerts and at events (together with 70-24 because at the event everything runs fast). like you said, it's easy to get attached to its close-up portrait mode. And as mentioned, 1.8 is completely sufficient and for my taste, at least with Nikon lenses, also sharper than lower apertures. Thanks for the insights.

[@alexanderbuffalo4156]

Great message, this is my favorite lens for shooting my children. My background is film, use this a lot on location, so I am familiar. Moved me to purchase an 85mm years ago for my Canon 10D... yeah, that long ago, and still love it, watching this makes me want to run home and make more photos.

[@Leondrian]

Been shooting a long time on crop sensors and recently bought a FF Sony. Two days ago I brought my out 85f1.8 and man, that lens rocks. A usually don't shoot a the widest aperture even at 28, 35, 40 or 55mm and that made even more sense on the 85mm. Especially as how thin the plane of focus is on a FF. I took a lot of images of our greyhound mix and I had to stop down to at least 5.6 to get all of her face in focus. Even at full body distance. And as 85s usually renders lovely even stopped down it made I totally fell in love with that lens. I will try out even more and your advice makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for the tip and make sure to use it wisely.

[@tomjordan3367]

I really appreciate your input on the importance of background elements when shooting with the 85mm lens. I have fallen into the trap of shooting wide open at f1.2 and completely blowing out the background on too many of my shots. I want to practice on getting that polished look with background elements that make the image tell a story. One thing I’ve noticed lately is I’m using my Canon RF 28-70 F2 lens much more than the 85mm f1.2 for its versatility in focal lengths without having to keep swapping lenses. That being said I can’t see myself ever getting rid of the 85mm f1.2. I do have a 135mm f2.0 and love the look of the images, but I find much of the time I don’t have enough distance to subject to use it much.

[@msantero5845]

This is one of the more informative videos I’ve seen on camera lenses. I think this hit it right on the head. Great job!

[@takart]

Thanks for making this video. TWO BIG things I learned today, from your video, are... ONE "I have to think more, about what things in the background / surroundings I want to include in the image". I must be more deliberate in both blocking and aperture setting. TWO I have been guilty, shooting wide open mindlessly. (Either I was trying to blur out everything other than the subject because I thought the surroundings were too ugly, or I did it simply because the lens (Vintage Canon FD85mmf1.2 -L) opens up to f1.2...pure laziness..) Well, I'm going to mount that 85mm now, and go out and shoot with these two things in mind! Thanks again.

[@MartinCastein]

I’m so pleased this was useful for you!

[@samuel_andreyev]

I have an 85 1.2 lens that practically never gets used because it is so large and heavy and the AF is quite hard to work with. Kind of wish I'd gotten the 1.8 instead. The images are spectacular, though. Live and learn!

[@dabistudio_japan]

That is very nice advice! I used it many times in the same direction you did but now I feel encouraged to retake my lens and experiment with it. Thanks!

[@xeentjelief]

I love my 85 as an all-round lens. It brings in just enough of the background to tell the story. You explain it just perfectly! My favourite headshot lens is a 135. I rarely use the 35 and 50. I could do with a 28 though! I do sometimes miss not being able to open up below 1.8. but it's a compromise I was willing to make to keep some money in my pocket

[@Pressure_23]

Great timing for me, been thinking about what to do with the 85/1.8 on my shelf. Great video, punchy, gets straight to the point, loads of crunchy advice. Thank you.

[@aeonsnarfus]

Samyang XP 85mm f/1.2 here. No regrets, absolutely lovely rendering. Speedboosted it is ~97mm FOV. My favorite lens. Big, 86mm filter. Sunny days with ND and flash delivers the goods. Dreamy and creamy bokeh. Portraits work best f/2.8 to f/8, depending. Great for city streets at night. A true photon hoover. ❤

[@paddywigglesworth7652]

Hello Martin, I trust you are well. Martin, last year I had a bang to my head and bizarrely I lost my memory and fell out of love with photography, due too memory loss I didn't realise I loved it prior. I have a Canon 70-200mm and a 24-105mm L series, I also own the 85mm f1.8. I adored B/W and I started to use both the L series lenses and couldn't quite understand why I like photography as I didn't feel anything to the images I had taken. I then used the 85mm lens and Boom!!! I had to restart thinking about composition and what I wanted in my frame and where I wanted to put it, I also had to rethink about the holy trinity of exposure, depth of field and ISO and I am loving all over again. Photography does allow a person to lose themselves, although I lost myself all of last year and half of this. Thank you for this video.

[@grumpyrocker]

I love 85mm (well Sigma 56mm on my Fuji APSC) and use it as a general walk around lens, rather than merely a close up bokeh portrait tool. I totally agree with your approach. Gorgeous photos by the way, really stunning.

[@5hamo]

I have an 85 F2 and am very much considering getting a 85 F1.2 - I love the look of a 85!!! Was using the 85 F2 on a crop sensor camera but now also shoot the 85 F2 on full frame and am enjoying it even more.

[@MartinCastein]

I think if 85mm is going to be your main lens then get the 1.2

[@tharinduwijayasena309]

Amazing photos Martin, brilliant explanation on the use of 85 too. I use a 24-70 2.8 on a Nikon Z9 for most of my professional work but I always pack my D6 with a 85 1.8 in any kit, as it is still my favorite combo.

[@auksmann]

Great video! Thank you! I rarely use the 85mm lens, but every time I have, I've been amazed at the results.

[@Ham-yj1od]

Your photos are so stunning Martin. Thank you for your informative videos and efforts you put in.

[@mart872uk]

I have taken a few amazing images with 85 mm. In a small flat with a 1.2 Canon 85 and wide open , a portrait shot with no depth of field yet the background played its part , shelves with a few out of focus items in the dreamy blur . The model being alternative look as well . The 75 mm Olympus as well . Amazing lenses . Thanks for your encouragement . Photography can get lonely at times.

[@steve-4045]

I forgot to add that back in my film days I had an array of prime lenses, since zooms weren’t very good back then, as well as large and expensive. I found that when I traveled, I’d take a 28mm, 85mm, and 200mm, and those covered everything I wanted to do. So my appreciation for 85mm lenses on 35mm cameras goes back about 50 years.

[@DavidMiller-xw7jc]

Great video, very thought provoking. I have the very wonderful Fuji GF 110 f2 (87mm equivalent) and you’ve made me realise that I only take the same head and shoulders pictures on it and there must be so much more to it than that! Your photos are amazing too. Liked and subscribed.

[@313MICEWIGuy]

Excellent video. I used to use the 85mm f2 back in the film photo era all the time, and when I got back into photography earlier this year, I found myself not using it. But I knew I needed it, and needed to use it- I just didn't know how. In the film era, it was my documentary portrait go to. Now I'm shooting what I guess you would call "forgotten places" documentary photography, and the 85 f1.8 stayed in my bag all the time. But I just couldn't part with it because I knew the issue was me- not the lens. Thanks for giving me some things to think about. Next time I head out I may just take my EF 40mm f2.8 and the 85 and force myself to work differently. Where I shoot, there's no going back to grab the 35 and 50, LOL.

[@Antwort2und40]

This guy gets it! The inclusion of context is exactly why I love 85 over the more traditional 135. You get some of the 135 compression (which is flattering to people and makes the background inclusion more impactful, as laid out here) with the ability of a 50 to add context but also clarity of context over a traditional wide angle. I learned this many years ago on a pre-ai Nikkor, where the 85 taught me lessons the 105 and 135s just didn’t. As for gear, I have a real soft spot for those old Nikkor’s, but for manual focus I’d prefer basically any fast leica 90 (they’re not Leica expensive, either). For AF I enjoy the Canon 85 1.8 USM to flatter people, and the Canon RF 85/2 for more of a modern look. Bonus, none of those lenses are expensive, either. I had and enjoyed the 85/1.2 DS for some years and it’s nearly perfect, but I prefer smaller, less obtrusive/intimidating kit nowadays. Good stuff!

[@spatnaspolecnost]

My favourite focal length for videography messing around with manual, job or hobby. It just looks good man. If anything I often find it not long enough for the shot lol.

[@henrysteadman963]

Just wanted to throw up some love for this presentation Martin, a really thoughtful and considered examination of the questions behind choice of focal length, aperture and the relationship of subject and backgrounds that I hadn’t really thought about in this way so thank you… I shall certainly check out your other episodes now as well :)🎉❤

[@otoskope]

So much good advice! Thanks a lot. I have an 85mm f1.8, which I'm really happy with. As you say, I guess this is enough for most situations, especially portraits, but as I like to do also more abstract photography where blurring is part of the image, with just hints of something in focus, I'd love to have a faster one too, for some experimentation. Maybe one day.

[@ApertureWalk]

My 85, 1.8 has been sitting idle. Thanks for this video, gonna take it out for a spin this weekend and the whole narrative on the background impact is spot on.

[@WebbPhotography]

I just bought an 85mm 1.8. The reason I bought it was the resalts I've seen from other photographers. Up this point I've been using zoom lenses, 18-105mm, 18-200mm and 18-250mm. Of course I also have a 50mm. Anyway I've only had it a day but already very happy with what I've shot. I will work with the 85mm and the 50mm for the next month or so. Not touching the zooms. For me to really get to know a lens I have to really work with it to find out how I can get the best from it. I shoot everyday, even if I don't have a paid shoot I still go out and practice. Anyway I've enjoyed your video and have Subscribed to you channel. Cheers from Canada!

[@karlbrodowsky7744]

I am using an 85/1.4, and I like it. Don't forget situations where light is actually less so the 1.8 or 1.4 helps directly, not only for composition..

[@CamD-o1e]

Good points. I actually started with a 1.8 and really liked the look. Then I started shooting more portrait shots so I grabbed a well-used EF 85mm f/1.2 which is my new favorite portrait lens. Fun fact is that the lens was designed specifically for the fashion shooting. Shooting wide open and fairly close - focus on nearest eye, I find that the blur starts just behind the subjects ears. I find that people love being photographed by this lens and they're not too sure why. I think it is as you said - the focal length is the most flattering and people are used to the wide non-flattering phone camera images. No regrets on buying this lens.

[@Twobarpsi]

People have said the 50mm is hard to shoot with. I love my 50mm! I bought the EF 85mm 1.8. It was a huge struggle to get any kind of shot. After 10 days or so, I returned the lens to MPB. I took about 500 photos, and only 1 turned out nice. Ironically, it was one with the subject small in the frame but with an interesting background, just like your video suggests. I might revisit the 85mm focal length.

[@MindzEyz]

Nice work! Very good points. What you are describing is exactly how I use my 135 f1.8 and even the 300 f2.8. I have been blowing the 85 backgrounds to smithereens though... I will consider this for 85 as well. Thanks.

[@kevinharding9361]

Totally agree - but not just for portraits/weddings. I don't shoot those but it's a staple for street, travel & landscape, the genres I shoot. That little bit of tele for people & scenes across the street or on wider avenues, lovely intimate street portraits when closer. Also a lovely FL for making landscapes a little more intimate. I could shoot with only this and a 24mm, which is rather interesting because when we look at the most popular zooms then 24mm is often the wider end and 75mm - 105mm at the tele (and an 85mm can easily be cropped to simulate a 105mm with very little effort). On my FF Sonys : 85/1.4 and a little 75/1.8 when I don't want the weight of the f1.4 On my Olympus : 45/1.2 (FF 90mm), long end of the 12-40/2.8 (so 80mm FF) and the short end of the 40-150/2.8 (again 80mm).

[@legvalmont]

This video's been enlightening. I used to have an 85mm and went street photographing one time. I remember it being flexible enough as well as respecting privacy of others. Im trying to get one for Canon FD now for my beloved AE-1 but might have to stick to Nikon's.

[@Damburgery]

Wise words and great photography. I've just purchased an 85mm 1.8 g and I'm looking forward to shooting with it. I think 1.8 more than enough, unless you want a specific specialist look or shooting often in low light conditions. Also you can tweak the background a little in Photoshop to give that 1.2 look on those rare occasions that you need to and the 1.8 much lighter and less bulky with brilliant optics.

[@EstiloInAction]

Fantastic advice for the bokeh fantástica out there 😉 Been using the 85 1.2 for 12 years now. Rarely comes off the camera. Love it

[@JimD750]

This was a great video. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the 85mm lens. I bought an 85mm f1.8 lens so I could shoot our church's praise and worship from the back of the room. I was using my 50mm f1.8, but I found I had to move to closer which could be distracting to congregation. The ironic thing is, I recently shot the children's church promotion ceremony, and I wound up shooting from the front row of the church, using my 85mm lens. Some of the children were just a few feet away from me. I was very happy with the close up shots of the children. A quick side note. The church's lights are dimmed during praise and worship, so I'm forced to shoot as close to wide open as possible to get enough light. However I rarely shoot at f1.8. My apertures generally range from f2.2 to f2.8. Shooting with my Nikon D750, I'm able to turn up my ISO and shoot with a wider depth of field. To answer your question; I am very happy with my f1.8 lens. I don't think I'd like an f1.4 or f1.2 as well simply because I'm an amateur photographer, and to me spending the extra money just to get a faster lens would be a waste. I know my wife would be unhappy if I went out and spent a thousand dollars for a faster lens.

[@charleshodge1223]

Great insight and very thoughtful assessment of 85mm. I have a 1.2 and I don't regret having the larger aperture for low light conditions. That said I have observed the same about using this focal length lens at 2.2 etc and not blurring the background entirely. Just hadn't reflected upon it as you have.

[@philipp_thielen]

Love the view you're giving on the 85 in general! About the f-stop: when I'm looking at 85's, for me its nice to have 1.2 or 1.4, but I think the real strength of a 1.2 compared to a 1.8 is its sharpness at f2 !! Same goes for the 1.4. I love shooting wide open though and do it a lot. I own a 85mm f1.4 Sigma DG DN and I wonder quite often, if my choice was the "right" decision. At the time I got it, realistic options were the Sigma 1.4, the GM 1.4 and the G 1.8. I think each of these lenses have their strengths and weaknesses. For reference: I shoot mostly weddings with the 85. Imho the 1.8G would have been a great choice and might have saved me some money to sooner get a 24mm 1.4. The reasons why I chose the sigma over the other two: the GM was too expensive in comparison, but I rented it a few times and I do really love this lens. The Sigma was said to be sharper and faster than the 1.8G. Is it that much of a difference? Today, I don't think so, but I keep my sigma since it's a fantastic lens (though it has its downs, too). What would I get today? Well, if budget is not a question, definitely the Sony 85mm 1.4 GM II. But as money is a thing for me, I would get the Sony 1.8G and save me some money for other lenses (in my case the 24mm 1.4 GM) and still have an awesome lens.

[@davidlain8220]

Martin. I use a Nikon 85mm f1.2 Z lens. Its the sharpest most awesome lens iv ever used. A lot of money but no regrets buying it. Worth every penny.

[@denniscornelisse341]

For about 4 years I use a 85mm f1.4 lens (Sigma) on a Canon 6D II, and it gives beautiful images. I use it for portrait photography, like headshots.

[@khanscombe619]

Put so well. My 1st Pro lens was the Nikkor 85/1.4D loved it & still use it. But lately, I been liking the depth of composition of the 180/2.8D. Focus w/ your feel & back the F-stop up. Hehe

[@GordonRunklePhoto]

I use my Nikon 85mm f/1.2 S a lot for indoor concerts and events where the light-gathering ability makes a huge difference in enabling me to keep my shutter speed up enough to freeze motion (think indoor BMX, dance shows, concerts, etc). I absolutely love this lens!

[@kellandzo]

I have an 85mm 1.8 which sits on the shelf most of the time but you’ve inspired me to give it another look. Background! Great video.

[@Samblack-n1j]

Thanks mate! a very insightful take on 85mm! actually made me consider getting one! And the shots throughout the video are absolutely stunning!

[@sridipnag1117]

LOVE my 85 f/1.4. Phenomenal look from it.

[@gohumberto]

Great advice. I have the Canon 85mm f/1.8 and I admit that it's gathering dust. You've inspired me to dig it out and shoot with it. What's crazy is that I've often told people that "magic happens" when I use the 85 on my 6D. I should listen to myself more. Cheers Martin.

[@georgedavall9449]

Another exceptional Video here Martin! Wonderful images! 85 is quite a unique focal length, and one that many fail to exploit, not necessarily a fault of their own. Background can not be overstated enough, and I am glad You did. Anyone watching this take note of what Martin says, and be grateful for the ‘free’ sharing of his knowledge and experience! I’d give up a wisdom tooth or two to spend a day or so with Him myself! 😃 I had great luck with my AF-D 85mm f/1.8 back in the day, shooting weddings on film. I used it for group shots, with great results. Stay safe and Happy Shooting! Please support this Man by liking and sharing!

[@MartinCastein]

thank you so much that is so kind! please dont try to send me your teeth, i dont want them hahahhaa, made me laugh!

[@georgedavall9449]

@@MartinCastein Great reply Martin, and Thank You for that! You made me LAUGH!