Marvel Rivals is the Overwatch 2 we deserved. | Review

[@Mugthief]

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[@rsherman77]

Just tried it today, for me, 3rd person makes all the difference. Seeing your character and the greater field of view, for me, just completely changes the feel from Overwatch

[@BradLad56]

Makes you appreciate the costumes more doesn't it?

[@unwhakk]

@@BradLad56 i spend like 100 euros for my skins just to not see them on overwatch...

[@TheSoftcoreMonkey]

@@BradLad56further enhanced by the fact that a lot of the skins are fire with amazing designs

[@trshaffa744]

Don’t forget we are characters that we all grew up with and have a form connection with atleast one character on the roaster

[@Mugthief]

@@BradLad56 I paid for my Thor skin just cuz I like that design more, to find out it’s legendary and comes with unique sound effects for all abilities with guitar riffs since it’s from Love and Thunder. I should expect that for the price, but games like Overwatch have conditioned me to pay 25 dollars for a skin that amounts to a gun skin and nothing else.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

I thought Marvel Rivals was going to be a shallow, boring shooter that I'd get tired of right away. I was totally wrong. I feel like I've been time-slipped back to 2016, losing sleep over playing "just one more game," "Oh, just another game or two" ...and then it's suddenly 3 am.

[@TheOptimismprime]

Big huge same

[@TheSoftcoreMonkey]

Same bro

[@glurak]

Marvel rivals was more of a successor to ow than ow2 ever was.

[@mikey10006]

13:00 the passive buffs are always active no matter who is on your team, they're seasonal and are given so people are incentivised to play this characters as an anchor

[@stinkbanana2522]

It's more fun, way more movement, third person so you can actually see your skin, skills feel way more impactful, just a few. This is what Overwatch 2 should have been instead of...whatever it is...Like Star Lord is just a significantly more fun Tracer.

[@BoomerElite4u]

I love how the characters are so much more complex. Punisher is what Reaper should have been. Black Widow is what Widowmaker should have been.

[@StyleshStorm]

2:07 "fun" There it is. And it's not just mug. It's so fun it's the only game this entire year that's made me put down Tekken 8 which is not easy to accomplish as Bamco fighting games are usually my 2nd place favorites.

[@qu1253]

I wanted to get into Tekken 8 but the $70 price tag and micro transactions on top of having to pay for new characters put me off. I ain’t made of money, Namco.

[@shahs1221]

I've had that moment of being stomped for almost the entire match and then having the last minute effort win happen SO many times while playing Magneto. Typically I main strategists... but when I switch over to Mags for the last push/defense (and I have another good healer), I become practically unkillable which buys just enough time (it's very funny how much the opponent get frustrated so much they forget about playing the objective and just want to kill me so badly. Even to the extent of just ignoring my healers) to go overtime and win. And of course if there's a Scarlet Witch, it's practically over. It feels so good being such a noticeable mvp, even though you're not "MVP" in terms of getting the most kills or whatever.

[@Voyeur-i6g]

What's got me excited is, they didnt just fix hanzo and widowmaker, they fixed every hero I hated in ow or just haven't implemented them, or they haven't implemented concepts like easy tank busters, only one you could argue is maybe hawkeye or wolverine, but hanzo seems more like a tank buster than hawkeye and bastion blows wolverine away in terms of easy tank buster. But yea namore is torb/sym, scarlet witch is moira, and the best one is psylocke as sombra! All the overwatch creators saying its the invis onna assassin hero and marvel rivals comes in like nah, check this out, and makes sombra but without the auto aim ability snatcher bs, I mean it always seemed so obvious to me that it was hack that was the issue but everyone hyper fixated in on the tp, than the invis, than her dmg and even when they focus on the hack going over to ow2 they only nerfed it when idc if the lock out is .1 seconds, youre putting my abilities on cd if you use it while I'm trying to have fun 😂 So it's so refreshing to see marvel rivals recognizing that, it gives me full faith in their hero design. I know stuff will annoy me and others will say it's a honeymoon phase that I can say nothing in marvel rivals annoys me anywhere near as badly as ow, but I played paladins for years and was a stonch defender of lian and even Kasumi when she launched, never complained about anything, but 1 year in ow is all I've ever been able to handle at one time, ow just simply has the worst hero designs in the industry 😂

[@Lettuce64]

Loki aint all that original. He's just ying from paladins.

[@PompeiSurvivor]

That's what I was thinking while playing him.

[@BustertheMadCat]

I didn’t think it’d be that hard to make a better overwatch than overwatch 2. They really screwed themselves when they made a sequel that not only killed the original, but also had less in it.

[@rajabuta]

Playing on console, that strange portal thing never happened to me 😂

[@MoonBunnyLovers]

wow battlepass that doesn't expire. i downloaded but never jumped in. maybe i will... although overwatch 2 was a story mode basically... so i don't see that. so maybe this is just overwatch 1 we wanted.

[@rajabuta]

OW2? Story mode? I'm sorry wut? 😂

[@Ratovx]

Only if you buy the premium version

[@512TheWolf512]

you know how they say players will always optimize fun out of the game? well blizzard has optimised the fun out of overwatch. and now we're here

[@avocadothecat]

The 20% damage or HP boost is always active, not only when the synergy is achieved

[@flyykiidx]

I’m a former GM for OW I stopped playing in 2019 and hit apex predator for a few years. I started playing marvel and im bouncing around d2 d1 . At first I thought the game sucked but I stuck around and love it and I’m straight addicted , the game gets you into a match FAST and the spectate feature is great .

[@Merty1388]

Game with SBMM(in casual): Loses 30% of it's playerbase in a month, game without SBMM(in casual): massive success, gains players exponentially.

[@drovethedrill711]

I speak for most viewers when I say you need not pay attention to criticism from pedants who require a definition of "fun." If they need such a definition, nothing you say will satisfy them.

[@realFilthyJesus]

Battle pass came with 5 skins for less than 5 dollars, seems like a pretty sweet deal

[@teethpastaa]

And, one of them was accessible for free as well. The Hela skin can be nabbed without buying the pass

[@spence6195]

I've already spent more time and more money in Marvel Rivals than I did in Overwatch 2, the worst sequel of all time

[@FastMoist]

Free to play game review being sponsored by another free to play game 🤯

[@raspberrydva9298]

I hope critikal never wakes up

[@RGB2060]

The hero banning is amazing. If it were a thing in overwatch, Widow, Orisa and Sombra wouldn't be a problem anymore and would make games so much more enjoyable

[@Borkyius]

The only thing i don't like is the punishment for leaving in casual. Oftentime you just wanna quickly try out a character, or maybe get kicked, or just leave due to annoying/toxic teammaters or enemies. Having a punishment for leaving a casual game really feels off to me

[@Mugthief]

It's a slippery slope, but I agree. The number of times I'm solo healing in quick match and the team is just trying to throw, or people go AFK, I don't want to waste my time trapped in here. Excellent point.

[@hannahloumen2241]

My only critisism of the game is that they silently implement Bots in Quick-Play to shorten Queue-Times for players or if you lose 2 or 3 games in a row, you get a easy bot Enemy-Team. Players should have a choice if they want to play with Bots or avoid them completely. An extra Rolequeue-Modus for players who "want" to play with such would be addition.

[@shrekkek9396]

Wait, what's the source for this info?

[@ABIADAB]

im not very good with shooter in general and tbh i felt that im quite decent in quickplay, if that's because of bots then i dont really mind. because i only play to have fun, and its not like every game is against bots. if i want to actually be better at the game then i will play ranked.

[@smilingsamurai8]

Does anyone have trouble to run the game on steam? I downloaded it played it and after 1-2 days could get into the game anymore. It starts, and you can see that it is running in the task manager.....but no screen, no window with the game. After starting there is an "unrealcrasher" showing in the task manager.....no solution on the interent helped so far. now i am playing it on the epic launcher and it works fine. Any hint or clue?

[@shahs1221]

The Strange frame rate thing is so weird because I have a very good rig (4070ti with current gen components) and my frames never dropped so I always thought it was mostly older rigs that faced this issue. Interesting to hear that it's affecting beefier rigs too. They definitely need to optimize that.

[@Mortalgnomo]

you can get a free skin if you do the achievments. you get 1900 latice enough for most of the skins. with the batlepass you can get one of the expensive ones. but i got the loki skin totally free just farming achievments . + you get a storm and starlord skin too by doing the achievements too

[@br1mdaddy]

how did you make wide screen game?

[@MrKagemitsu]

I enjoy it but I wouldn't mind a role queue to make it less chaotic, at least in competitive mode

[@asitallfallsdown5914]

Cosmetics ARE gameplay experiences, especially if Cosmetics go hand in hand with a broader customization framework. Cosmetics are a whole branch of player enjoyment pillars the way Competition, Social, Strategy, and Exploration are gameplay pillars. People writing off "just cosmetics" to the paywalls betray players that highly value cosmetics for their enjoyment and paywall one of the pillars.

[@Mugthief]

I don't disagree, but it's just no feasible to do otherwise. Would you have the game be 60 dollars and 30 dollars for each new season? That would be mandatory by the way, because otherwise you fracture the playerbase. Would you rather monetise the actual heroes, and give away free cosmetics? Games can't be perpetually developed for free. A lot of the money might go to shareholders and greedy sharks, but that money also funds the lives of the people who make a game you like and gives them steady employment, and out of all the ways that you can monetise a game, keeping it purely cosmetic is in my opinion (and I'd wager most gamers) the best option, the lesser evil.

[@asitallfallsdown5914]

@@Mugthief I mainly feel that there should be a path of progress for free players to earn cosmetics that is equal or near equal to the paid side. A relatively easy crutch for that games almost never do is letting you earn premium currency, or sell things you ARE allowed to earn for premium currency to other players who bought it. Warframe is the only game I've felt did premium currency in a way I didn't loathe, in that respect. There can be Paid-Only cosmetics and Earned-Only cosmetics, and some in between/both. Players that like to earn the cosmetics can sell excess to players that like to pay to save the time, and the Free player can use that sale to get the Paid-Only cosmetic. Meanwhile, this path of earning content makes the game more enjoyable so players like myself are more likely to pay for some things in the first place. Warframe's economy is the only reason I've given them any money, because I didn't feel like my enjoyment was held hostage if I didn't. When I feel like my enjoyment is held behind a paywall, I feel like the relationship with the game is set on a predatory or hostile footing. So now I, a player that hates freemium bs, have spent over 200$ and a few thousand hours on Warframe. Infinity Nikki is another game that came out recently and it's a freemium game (Genshin style gacha...) and despite its monetization not being great inherently being a gacha with a battle pass (I hope Rivals style no-expiration passes become dominant), it still hands out a lot of free cosmetics earned in game and hasn't really yet even drawn attention to their paid shop. I feel inclined to spend money there soon as a result because they let me enjoy the game properly first and it feels like it's valuing my time, despite being a gacha. (Recognizing That will probably change deeper into the game though, as free sources of gacha roll currency dry up). As more and more games try to be Live Services with freemium mechanics (even in full paid games), the industry needs to establish a fairer balance that doesn't sacrifice one of the core pillars to paywalls. Too many gamers are content to pretend cosmetics being paywalled is the fair balance, but their perception is generally biased as Competitive type players that don't care as much about the Cosmetics as other players do. This conversation largely being dominated by these types of games, but it informs the game industry overall to effect other bubbles too, and also further brush off other gamers like myself that mainly play games to enjoy collection, cosmetics, novelty, etc, so I lack things my brain can cling to to draw value out of the game when I don't value the core competitive pillar it's built around. Which sounds entitled or something, but it's a reasonable conversation on how games like this could draw players like me. I'm initially drawn by the character designs and exploration of the game mechanics but then there isn't much to hold my attention after initial novelty of admiring the characters and seeing all the abilities.

[@Medali1234]

Honestly I don't like the team up abilities, they sometimes make you really depend on what other people pick up which I don't like

[@forsaken650]

Rivals is so fun and refreshing. I was never an OW player or even cared for that Blizzard slop they called OW2. So this game has been really entertaining and the fact the character designs are so on point. Good looking women and strong looking men. 💪🏽 Take my money! 💰

[@thekingofcookies4877]

I'm a person who absolutely HATES PVP games, I suck at them and I don't like them...I am confusingly having a lot of fun and doing really well with Rivals. :D

[@samfisher2141]

I'm sorry but this is not Overwatch. 😐 Can stop complaining about Overwatch and just enjoy Marvel.

[@qu1253]

You just made my day using A Hat in Time music. I need to play that game again.

[@FunTisLife]

Is it bad I already have 130 hours on Rivals? Am I addicted? Yes. Is it worth it? Also yes.

[@Invincibleunderheavens]

26:01 nah that iron first demise was crazy 😭🙏

[@Illeea]

the fact that people have repeatably been dissapointed by new hero shooters, f2p games from china and marvel games shows how good rivals is. doing all three markets justice. ive never tried a hero shooter before as the other games are on proprietary storefronts or have terribly overbearing monetization. ive played f2p games alot on my phone when i was younger but i prefered the quality of paid games. and ive never played a marvel game before as none of them ever interested me the way rivals has. i am a fan of marvel movies though. doing all three things in a way that people are loving takes talent and understanding, something most other companies can barely get one right.

[@Marbeary]

Love it or despise it. Skins have more value if you see your purchase in the game. Marvel Rival Gameplays feel like if a Moba and Hero Shooters had a child.

[@cikame]

I tried it, hero shooters still aren't for me, shooting/hitting someone 50 times is always going to feel bad. I get the concept it's about attrition with team gameplay and mechanics affecting overall damage and heal rates, the team that manages that stuff better succeeds it's just not very satisfying for me, Rivals looks really cool though that's why i tried it and i get why people would love it, i just can't.

[@paris5831]

I’m having a lot of fun tbh

[@pascual8506]

The monetization is not good. In overwatch, we complained so much because the skins came in bundles, and that we couldn't buy them separately and they finally listened. Now marvel rivals is doing the exact same and the gaming community is letting it slide. The monetization in overwatch is better than in marvel rivals.

[@Tetsuo_88]

The truth is that for these ppl it's all about hating on overwatch more than actually loving marvel rivals...

[@dzonymielony5]

What are you talking about? You can buy any skin without the bundle, usually for 200 credits less (but why would you, if you get a new finisher and banner in every epic or higher rarity bundle)

[@pascual8506]

@@dzonymielony5 Explain to me how to buy the "Spider-Man: No way home" or the "Iron man - Avengers: Endgame" skins without buying the 2600 credit bundle

[@shrekkek9396]

@@pascual8506 Open the bundle in the shop and click on skin?

[@pascual8506]

​@@shrekkek9396 Have you actually tried it? The game does NOT let you buy just those skins, you have to purchase the entire bundle.

[@evilmousse1]

"this is a very specific type of hero shooter." indeed. the lineage goes: rivals

[@vmiki888]

Atleast overwatch 2 is more optimised game. Marvel Rivals shutting off my pc.

[@jokered1133]

One of the best analysis of Marvel Rivals I’ve seen.

[@huskerdee1431]

I just feel like 3rd person works 10x better for a game like this

[@sungrandstudios]

Great coverage. Awesome.

[@Espurr.8]

When it comes to the overwatch vs marvel rivals the only thing I can say both games are ok there was nothing that blows my mind or anything like that but it fun

[@VelcroSnake93]

1:45 Don't expire as long as you buy them BEFORE they expire.

[@arglebargle5531]

Removed from sale != Expiring.

[@VelcroSnake93]

@@arglebargle5531 It kinda does though, when compared to Helldivers 2 where they never go away even if you don't buy them. People keep saying 'never expires' when they actually do, UNLESS you buy them first. I saw a lot of people confused about this when websites kept saying the Battle Pass never expires without clarifying you needed to buy it for it to not expire.

[@bert949]

0:03 Is that a pun?

[@thekingofnothing8712]

War Thunder, such a realistic game

[@02owo32]

*Insert meme guys carrying coffin RIP Overwatch

[@바보Queen]

playing tank in MR is so much better than OW, love the 3rd person view.. and the glorious cake and character designs, wont see CCP devs apologizing, dont think woke western devs are capable of making this game

[@Sigma6987]

I did not like OW. I thought it was boring to watch and to play. But, for some reason, I can't help but enjoy some MR content. And I'm not even a person that particularly cares about super hero stuff. Witnessing how much praise MR has been getting makes OW seem like a girl that people lost all respect for so she moved on to Only Fans.

[@randomxgen6167]

It's a shame Marvel Rivals is dead due to super hero fatigue and market saturation in the hero shooter genre. Oh, what's that? That's not the case? It's just an issue of incompetent people making poor excuses while the market continues to be there? Huh, weird.

[@kristopherduvall2520]

I think this is the best competition game ever made

[@Malxer]

you `play ultrawide? And achieve good fps? Damn, must have a beefy pc

[@karayi7239]

Comparing MR to OW2 without mentioning the BIGGEST elephant in the room which is NOVELTY shows how much thought you put in this slop.. We just had the OW OG event, if you've tried it, you know full well it's not as fun as 2016 OW. Why is that? because the fun was largely because we didn't KNOW how to play, just like MR currently. Moreover, in EVERY TECHNICAL aspect, even OW 2016 blows MR out of the water. Audio design, bugs, swinging mechanics, UI design, visual clarity, performance is ALL miles better in OW. OW2 >>>> MR. HOWEVER, if you've already played OW for YEARS, then OBVIOUSLY the new shiny toy will provide more fun in the short term, long term? we'll have to wait.

[@MrSpitfire2008]

Hmmmm... I wonder where overwatch got its inspiration from.... oh yea TF2

[@SetariM]

Lack of Mugthief cam in this video + some words being stumbled over/slurred = Did you use AI to make this?

[@kalashydra9016]

bro uses prey pov resolution lol

[@greenecarlos93]

Apex and siege aren’t really hero shooters but ig

[@NecroBanana]

Rivals is good.

[@ImarBenIsrael]

I wonder how long this honeymoon will last

[@xThexMasterxProx]

I'll give it 2-3 years

[@cassmelendez1279]

Many people play this game marvel than ow because its free and new And marvel characters are more popular than ow charcters

[@ABIADAB]

and because it's fun, look at marvel avengers game, it was new, it was marvel, yet it flopped hard.

[@GIGAREAKTEM]

Im hesitant to try Rivals out as i spent a lot of time and money on overwatch. I dont like to play more than 1 pvp game at a time. Buy im really happy overwatch might get better with some real competition and i hope that rivals does well

[@NecroBanana]

Rivals has the better prices on skins.

[@Hylodatus]

Sunk-cost fallacy

[@Pretty._Miaah09]

Try it 😂

[@PanicRolling]

​@@Hylodatus exactly this. It's more sinister though, because when someone does this, they're literally telling the company that they'll accept nonsense. These companies are not our friends. We need to stop giving them permission to feed us dogshit.

[@danielangiano1257]

I think it’s very much worth to give it a try it’s so much fun and it’s not very expensive with the battlepass being 5$ and you don’t even need to spend any money the premium currency is grindable

[@INdySycive]

This man only speaks facts.

[@Guembo-fr3hb]

Well said

[@xboxboy926]

Cant wait for the first MR controversy so yall can stfu about it. Yall have glazed this game soo hard its insane.

[@xCH0SEN1x]

Cause it is that good and monetization is not in your face

[@dzonymielony5]

The only ppl being mad a game does well are either hardcore fanboys of "the other game" or suck ass and it makes them salty. Which one are you?

[@xboxboy926]

@@dzonymielony5 Try talking about MR without trashing Overwatch , wait you can't apparently.

[@Tetsuo_88]

This game's sound design is terrible

[@degrengolada2360]

5:25 Every hero have skill celling? Not for Moon Knight tho, throw Ankhas at enemy, aim at Ankhas, get triple kill.

[@Mugthief]

Making Moon Knight work in elo's where people destroy the Ankh instantly is the skill cieling. Otherwise you can't pick a character that does a bit of damage on an 8 second cooldown. He's all about positioning, flanking, patience, and learning to use his ultimate at the right time. He only get's triple kills now that people are learning the game.

[@Hpalhazred]

Low expectations.

[@RandoOnSteam]

Eh, it would've been amazing with real PVE like overwatch 2 originally promised. It is only the overwatch 2 we deserved if you only pvp.

[@lenneth1188]

no role queue is really ruining it for me. Every game I'm solo healing 5 dps

[@shaquonAbrams]

I like it Soo far

[@thefrostbite]

Much love man, but I'm not watching the same video twice. Please take this as constructive feedback: it's not a believable proposition that I'll get anything of value from my 30 minutes investment after having watched a video making the same comparison 4 days ago. Maybe there's something very different inside this one but I'll never know because you marketed too similarly. Adding "Review" does for me because the previous video was enough of a review. Again, no hate, all love.

[@kellevichy]

Okay - but then don't? I don't understand; It was your choice to come here and comment on a video you aren't going to watch. I watched both videos and enjoyed both and actually sent this one to other people and I walked away wanting to try it out even more and I don't even play PVP games like this. You believing you aren't getting value doesn't mean other folks also aren't getting value. You could do what everyone else does and just wait for a video to come up that sparks your interest.

[@thefrostbite]

@kellevichy can you not read? I gave a creator I support feedback. There's nothing deeper to understand

[@Mugthief]

This video is a 30 minute review of Marvel Rivals. My other video is 7 minutes of how Overwatch screwed up, and 5 minutes of why I’m playing Rivals. Just because there are some things that need to be mentioned twice, doesn’t mean it’s the same video.

[@Pejatube]

I really wanted to love this game. Maps are often too narrow, characters basic movement too fast and a lot of ultimates are skill-less. Movement abilities uninspiring. Supports are boring. Too much melee.

[@uroprop]

starting with a war thunder add ruins ur whole rep lol....ur spiderman pointing at yourself..yikes..crying about pay2win games when sponsored by one of the biggest p2w games....do you even have a personally

[@DarthStuticus]

ive only played overwatch for 10 mins total ever.. but luna snow is for sure that skater sound healer dude

[@ABIADAB]

lol no.

[@zinv08]

I can still only conmect to 2/10 games. I get stuck at 99%

[@donogoodatgames]

That's weird, I literally haven't had a single issue, and I have pretty much exclusively played with friends from USA (I'm in England) and haven't even had lag or bad connection, let alone not even getting into games. That's not me trying go show off or to express any sort of contrary opinion just to do so, and its legit just the experience that myself and my friends have had so far. Hopefully your experience improves. The game is a lot of fun, and I didn't even get to play every character yet

[@Kylesico912x]

If your on PC, make sure you download the game onto your main drive. There is a problem with secondary and external drives that causes it to get stuck on 99%.

[@brianquint6126]

This video will be even better when Asmongold watches it.

[@Barrnickle]

I think balancing up is the way to go instead of nerfing every single thing into the ground to create the "perfect" balance. There are characters in OW that just feel lame to play as nowadays because if anything deemed slightly too powerful, the community goes on strike. Mercy feels so bad to play nowadays, there is literally no actual reason to play as her besides just wanting to play as her, basically every support does her job better and more. Unless it's something egregious such as Hela, Hawkeye, Luna Ult, etc, I think they should refrain from nerfing and find other ways to tilt the balance scale, I want to feel meaningful and feel like the hero I'm playing, I don't feel that way in OW as much anymore. Also I'm not a super competitive player, but I like the ban system that OW has been afraid to implement all this time. It reminds me of R6, it's a good way of letting the developers know which characters people do not enjoy playing against, and so the devs can begin diving into why people don't like this character.

[@stoffe2055]

i love it but i dont like bots in quickplay hope they change it

Pena que a otimização desse jogo é um lixo PC quase explode

[@definitelynothybrid4379]

Hi Mr. Mug, really like your channel! But with all due respect, I really don't get this whole "the more casual the better, if everything is broken, nothing is" stuff. If everything is broken, well...everything is broken, it is that simple. Just like two wrongs don't make a right. With this all you have is a chaotic mess where the most important aspect of a game, which is the balance between risk/effort and reward, is utterly destroyed. Especially in a pvp game where you have people playing against people, you have to create a fair and equal experience for all where your victory will come through your hard work, knowledge of the game, positioning, etc, and not from who presses the ult button more often. The game is really fun so far, the artwork is stunning, you can see they're putting a lot of care with the characters, lore, interactions, level design, it's clearly a above the average intention here but it desperately needs a balancing fix cause a lot of things feels unfair and out of your reach, like nothing you do matters, it matters who exploits the most broken characters in the game the most...

[@oSerpicox]

Odd to make a video bragging about rank for 5 minutes because that's relevant to nobody.

[@uroprop]

the joe biden of gaming

[@realFilthyJesus]

Loki is my main, such a fun character to play, and those healing runes can be so clutch