MARVEL WHAT IF EPISODE 6 Reaction | 1x06 Spoiler Review & Breakdown

[@lanceapelo6790]

Seeing Chadwick Boseman in the Ancestral Plane Hits Differently. He May Be Gone, But He Will Never Be Forgotten... We Love you King T'Challa and You're Gonna Stay Within Our Hearts Forever... 'Wakanda Forever!".

[@milkiassamuel780]

May Chadwick Boseman Rest In Peace. May The King Rest In Power. Wakanda Forever!

[@mimi-ix3fb]

He may be gone but he still lives

[@Thecherryblossom27]

He lives on in our memories and hearts ♥️ Wakanda Forever!

[@hadoken95]

Yea I was going to say the last line of this episode hit me pretty hard as I think this is his final performance as Black Panther.

[@andyrobin7196]

oh please

[@camk6166]

Hey Jaby, I took it as the “butterfly effect” was Killmonger coming across the plans to assassinate Tony Stark while he was undercover, and he saw an opportunity at a quicker path to the throne. As opposed to the main timeline where he never came across those plans.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Correct that was Probably the KEY Thing that changed the Universe.

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

And in terms of consequences, what is different in this reality is that *half of life of the universe is going to get wiped out permanently !* Take a few seconds to think about it! Many milestones in the history of the Avengers never happen without Tony but the absolute moment is the invention of the Tech for the time heist. There will be no "I'm Iron Man moment" erasing Thanos and his army. In fact, Thanos' snap is permanent. That is if Loki invasion of New York doesn't succeed since Toni was so crucial in foiling it. Thanos may get the stones sooner.

[@kevinmachadogarcia8509]

Honestly Loki should sit down and take a masterclass from Killmonger in the art of manipulation.

[@dadnonlyd3]

Loki is more a master of deception/mischief..Killmonger is a better manipulator.

[@kevinmachadogarcia8509]

@@dadnonlyd3 deception requires manipulation :), and viseversa

[@aditisk99]

Kill monger had pure hatred in his heart whereas Loki was just pissed off.

[@pamoweiberezi5315]

Loki was always meant to fail

[@pamoweiberezi5315]

Loki was always meant to fail

[@prathapkutty7407]

That killmonger theme is dope as hell. Easily the most iconic scores in the MCU.

[@the_varunrvel]

And won Oscar for Original Score

[@aditisk99]

That's my alarm.

[@maximillianjayphoenix]

Jaby you're missing the biggest point, this is almost a whole decade sooner than in the films. His plan here literally will change everything. Shuri is still young.

[@Jaleeeel]

Correct Killmonger chose a quicker path here

[@coordinate8929]

Hmmmm makes sense. I was like why is Shuri 6??

[@Jaleeeel]

@@coordinate8929 also tchalla's father wasn't dead here

[@maximillianjayphoenix]

@@Jaleeeel exactly he won favor with T’Chanka as a father figure and charmed his way to the throne instead of the terrorist attack. This is a speed run.

[@ashura3313]

@@coordinate8929 She's 8 in 2008, Civil War at 16 years and 2018, she is 18 years.

[@BlackOmEga_2099]

It’s official. Marvel is torturing us😂. Seeing killmonger kill black panther, Rhodes, and tony was mind bottling

[@aarishkhan942]

They have literally killed Tony Stark 3 times in 6 episodes 😢

[@ot7biasedmashups]

@@aarishkhan942 seems like an absolute point doesn't it👀

[@daverowe03]

I don't understand how you don't see a difference. Tony, Rhodes, and T'Challa are dead. Shuri and Pepper will now have to recruit someone to help fight. This is a huge difference. This also happened about 8 or 10 years sooner. That's why Shuri is such a little girl.

[@MarcosSSRN]

well, dont expect much of jaby he is not a marvel fan

[@bryce253]

I just don’t get how some people have tunnel vision and can’t see things with a wide angle lens. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ot7biasedmashups]

@@MarcosSSRN well if you're gonna criticize it then you should do your research first.

[@mattpiers4589]

Killmonger really ran circles around the U.S. and Wakanda. Wow! It seems that my favorites episodes are the ones that have T’Challa in them lol and the Doctor Strange one. I do agree that they did this episode a bit of disservice putting it right after the Strange and Zombie ones. Had those two came after this, I think you would have felt the weight of these deaths more.

[@eduardocruz4341]

It wasn't Stark that started the Avengers. Fury started the Avengers and Tony bankrolled it along with SHIELD.

[@tuhkathri9126]

Exactly. Furi still had his list of candidates which include Cap and Banner.

[@ashura3313]

Tony bankrolled them in the comics, it was government sanctioned by the UN.

[@shantanu4423]

We were robbed of a great Villain in the MCU when they killed Killmonger in BP man, they should've somehow kept him alive...

[@bryce253]

You do get that this Killmonger is canon to the MCU right? Through all the multiverse madness of the next films and eventually the colliding of those universes with the main MCU universe, this Killmonger can be brought over to the main one in live action.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

So, moral of the story: Killmonger is still a snake. Michael B. Jordan really has played a phenomenal villain in the MCU. I see why he's beloved by many.

[@shantanu4423]

Yo he's a dope ass Villain...

[@Delboy0]

This episode is clever than you think because Killmonger in this episode is manipulating the US into a war with Wakanda, in a very similar way the USA historically has created wars in Africa for their own benefit.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@@shantanu4423 Yes, he is.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@@Delboy0 Ahhh.

[@bryce253]

….every Single Video …….same comment.

[@Chimichanngaz]

Fans: How Many times are you gonna Kill Iron Man and Black Panther? Marvel: Yes

[@saurabhchaurasiya8169]

exactly......

[@bryce253]

That’s all you got from this huh? 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@havingaparty21]

:/

[@kliphord123X]

as an iron man fan yeah this show really does my boi dirty dammit.

[@Dancingqween3]

Maybe he is domed to die in every reality 🤷🏾‍♀️😂

[@yudhazacharias9377]

4:46 don't be surprised. Klaue had the same amount in Age of Ultron

[@prathapkutty7407]

I actually enjoyed killmonger more here than the movie. It showed how cunning and manipulative he is, and how he succeeded in attaining his goals. That being said, I want to see a version of Erik who is as noble and pure as tchalla.

[@TheZamaron]

Yah, that will take a LOT of character growth. The dynamic of Tchalla and Killmonger is, they both see the problems of the world, and sins of the past of Black oppression. The difference is that both come off to me as kind of similar to major movements. Tchalla is like MLK, sees that violence will only beget more violence, and the problem will get worse, racial tensions will flare. Meanwhile Killmonger reminds me of the violent side of BLM and Antifa, the dumbasses who rioted for a whole year. They see the sins of the past that today, we have mostly solved, but they resort to violence to get their way. In thinking their the heroes, they do things that make them the villains, and only causes more hatred and violence from both sides.

[@manmanopoly8047]

@@TheZamaron I Initially liked your comment thinking you would keep an unbiased perspective but your take eventually just led to B.L.M Bad. B.L.M bought attention back to the injustices that existed generations before them, those problems were and still are constantly being ignored and dismissed but had those issues been addressed and fixed decades ago their would be no riots or B.L.M today.

[@blackpowderuser373]

Remind me not to play chess with Killmonger. What a top-tier villain, truly. Also, digging Queen Ramonda in a battle suit.

[@Destyn2b]

I loved how they showed the Queen utilizing her power in this one. I was waiting for him to say "Hey auntie" though. 😂

[@DRVN11]

29:57 Oh yeah I just realize Tony Stark being killed 4 consecutive episodes now 😅

[@yashovardhan849]

Actually 3 but yeah,they are killing him too much😂

[@bryansuralta592]

Well I guess he was supposed to die in every timeline. Just different ways.

[@pamoweiberezi5315]

His death is an absolute point😂

[@aryantraj8621]

Don't worry we will have a second episode of this episode ..u can see shuri and pepper carrying weapon together in what if mid season trailer

[@Isha.3480]

Really

[@aryantraj8621]

@@Isha.3480 yess go and see the mid season trailer

[@jessicaluk74]

Yes I saw that too

[@satvikmishra0]

I really think that the scene when kilmonger was on rhino and killing the stark bots..... It resembled with Bahubali final fight scene with how Bahubali used to fight while riding on the horse♥️

[@srujaank8980]

Bruh, same here

[@kashutosh9132]

Bro,I thought the same,that scene is really similar

[@sjw4life546]

This was a great episode in my opinion. Killmongers plan was the same, but the destination to the plan was super interesting for me. I don't need all my villains to destroy the universe in order for me to be hyped up. I just need understandable morally grey motivations. And for me, killmonger has that

[@jediclonekag13]

It felt so good to hear Michael B. Jordan as Erik "Killmonger" Stevens throughout this episode.

[@theolharris]

Interesting that T'Chaka's (Dad) guilt in leaving Kilmonger behind made him want to believe him. It appears he thinks he can atone for this evil thing he did to his nephew in the past.

[@fazeer0111]

Killmonger wanted to become the King of Wakanda and take revenge for his father's death. So he wanted Wakandans to trust him, if they want to trust him, he must do something heroic also while the rightful King T'challa should not be there. The What If point is just, what if Killmonger knew about Tony's assassination. Here, he knew about it and so he used it to his favor. He became Tony's pal to get hands on his tech, which he could use to attack Wakanda, without his name being out. He brought up Vibranium, which he knew would get Black Panther's attention, so that he could kill T'challa, which could help him be heroic when the battle occurs. He killed Rhodey, to let Stark know that he's bad, so that he could take out the 1 drone Stark activated and then kill Stark. Then he made the govt attack Wakanda. Then he went to Wakanda, killed Klaw so that he could get in with a good name. Then became the heroic King of Wakanda. 100% win for Killmonger. 1. Killed Tony Stark, a potential threat, 2. Made govt take over Stark Industries, another potential threat, 3. Killed the Vibranium theif, so that the Vibranium would not get out again, 4. Killed T'challa, his competitor, 5. Will kill T'chaka, one who killed his father, 6. Got a full design for a self sustaining killer drone bot, 7. Became Black Panther...

[@michaelallen1011]

Hello Jaby! Been watching your reactions for a while now and i appreciate your genuine feelings throughout them all. I just watched "What If...Episode 6" and as soon as I was done, I found your reaction first to see your insights. I definitely understand your points. Now, I honestly loved this episode! I am not a fan of the Black Panther movie as a whole, but I loved Eric Killmonger's character and empathized with his goal (especially with me being a person of Afro-Caribbean descent). His goals clearly remain the same in the "What If", but to your comment regarding T'Chaka not seeing Killmonger's plot, I thought that T'Chaka in particular was very believable with his naivety in the face of his nephew. T'Chaka chose to kill his own brother and leave a young Eric orphaned. I'm sure T'Chaka's guilt was ever present and it shows through their interactions (brief as they were). It would make sense that T'Chaka would want to atone for his decision, and through his atonement, (along with Killmonger's manipulations and still grieving T'Challa) he became blind to Eric's true intentions. Definitely can't wait for the conclusion, and your reaction!

[@nayeebG]

The showrunners Weren't lying. This show looked so much like the live-action movies at moments.

[@madhav_g7960]

Am I the only one who noticed how tired and weak Chadwick's voice was? Maybe it was dubbed few months before his death💔

[@Cityweaver]

I don't know what's more remarkable, that Erik Killmonger's real superpower is shuckin' n' jivin' or that his exemplary talent at it actually makes him even MORE like Vegeta than ever.

[@ashura3313]

T'chaka saw through Killmonger a bit but I guess guilt of killing N'Jobu clouded his judgment.

[@kunjpanchal5755]

I liked this unique episode.

[@孙澤宇]

I like how he doesn't hesitate to finish black panther or iron man or war mashine, a perfect get-the-job-done villion. But the whole idea of his motive and goel just bugs me, especially that he's so righteous and confident about it.

[@LEOIAMLEOONYOUTUBE]

This is Tony Starks true nature. I wonder if Black Panther WAKANDA FOREVER will be like a part two of this show because of Chadwick.

[@milkiassamuel780]

Perhaps we could see Black Panther: Wakanda Forever explore that idea, although trailers for this show have shown how Shuri aand Pepper are set on stopping Killmonger. The sequel to Black Panther is possibly going to include Namor the Submariner and a conflict between Atlantis and Wakanda, although this is all just major rumors and speculations.

[@kevinmachadogarcia8509]

@@milkiassamuel780 Literally cant wait to see Atlantis in the MCU

[@kevinmachadogarcia8509]

@@milkiassamuel780 also namor is confirmed~

[@ochayethenoo]

This episode is getting a part 2. There's a small clip in one of the recent trailers which shows Shuri and Pepper running with Wakandan guns with Dora Milaje behind them down a corridor.

[@LEOIAMLEOONYOUTUBE]

@@ochayethenoo i haven't seen trailers because I'm avoiding spoilers 😭😭😭

[@aryantraj8621]

Marvel just keeps killing Tony Stark again and again and we fans are heartbroken 💔

[@CrashIllustration]

Not more than they kill vision

[@Abhayabhayam]

And see what happened to all those timelines where Tony died, they are all doomed.

[@prathapkutty7407]

Meh he gets too much attention in the MCU anyways. It's satisfying seeing him get knocked down a peg from time to time.

[@zeroskaterz92]

@Bluebeard No, it feels like you're too dense to not understanding the point of What If series in the first place for you to get "sick of it".

[@danielafiumefreddo3173]

@Bluebeard The director of the show probably hates Tony. This show is just garbage. Gonna stick to the movies

[@aquariustheheretic7567]

jaby makes me happy. as a viewer, i try to be actively engaged. but jaby makes me happy that i don't go out of my way to suck away every drop of joy that can be had from watching a piece just by not accepting it on its own terms and not looking for a myriad of reasons for why i should want it to play out differently.

[@FinalStigma]

I think people need to stop expecting these stories to end with a neatly-tied bow. "What If" stories has always been a peek at the road not taken without having to tell the entire story of the character. To use some stories from the comics as examples, like "What If the heroes never returned to Earth from the Secret War?", which ended with their children traveling to Earth from Battleworld to find that the U.S has sentinels patrolling the entire country because Professor X and the X-Men wasn't there to prevent mutant hate. Or, "What If Peter Parker's physical appearance mutated so much from the spider-bite that he never became a Spider-man?", which ended with Peter sacrificing himself to save his son, who also suffered from the same mutation, from mutant haters, and having his son being sent to Xavier's school after he passed away. None of these stories needs a happy or sad ending. They just end. Heck, the only traditional "What If" story that ever got a continuation was "What If Peter's daughter never died and became Spider-Girl?", which spawned an entire comic book line ala the 2099 series. And that was the only exception, for whatever reasons, be it fans demands or because it opens up options creatively. That said, no matter what Marvel Studios have in their plans, I honestly can't say any of these stories that we've seen thus far in the TV series are so intriguing as to require a sequel, especially if it's just to "conclude" the stories.

[@aryam6538]

Jaby, your feeling about this whole epi is exactly how I felt

[@captain_sourav_10]

This Episode Was Amazing 🔥🔥🔥

[@fraydizs7302]

I have a feeling that this will change a lot, actually. Killmonger will probably be involved in the war against Loki since killmonger hates Oppressors and Loki's whole schtick was "humanity was made to be submissive to Asgardians" so killmonger in one way or another would probably help the Avengers defeat Loki, however New York will probably still get Nuked since Tony wont be there to take the nuke through the portal. Age of Ultron would also never happen in this time line.

[@yashovardhan849]

That's a nice theory👌

[@matthewtopping2061]

This IS the setup for another episode. The trailer for the series shows a scene with Shuri and Pepper breaking into a building with the Dora Melage.

[@tuhkathri9126]

The reason why we didn't see Killmongers thinking process and his turning point was because we never saw it the first time around either. What if only works when we already saw the original events play out. Since we already saw Iron Man 1, that films events have to be the anchor

[@LeAficionado]

Soooooooo are we gonna acknowledge that Erik here basically pulled off Mysterio's plan.

[@rjnnandan7967]

Black panther sound track is still lit AF 🔥

[@emanuellpremdas730]

What an episode! Killmonger such a mastermind! And Don Cheadle looks exactly like him in real. Shuri as usual smart and awesome.

[@harishkumark2112]

I agree with you guys. I didn't get that WOW moment after this episode ended that I got in episodes 2,4&5

[@diegopansini3152]

Agreed

[@avikroychoudhury1983]

I love how Achara gets totally involved in the story 😂😂😍😍😍...Go Achara...Kill Killmonger

[@cryingtomatohead8626]

I feel like the men, particularly Tony and T'chaka, are easier to manipulate because it was easier to show them a version of Killmonger that they liked. Tony wanted a close friend that had his back and Killmonger provided that. T'chaka needed another son to fill the void in his heart that he was willing to overlook the little details that didn't add up. Even then queen was manipulated after he suggested a way for her to avenge her son. He didn't try to appeal to Pepper and in fact undermined her when he could have gained an ally. Killmonger had Shuri convinced until he got too power hungry and reactivated the robots tso that he would be seen as a hero. He would have been set, but he was in too much of a hurry to execute his plan that he overlooked making sure not to leave any room for doubt in his lies.

[@tiberiusgrey1529]

I can see the confusion because there is no argument to support the "what if" scenario of this story since in the MCU proper we were not shown the choice Killmonger made in that timeline at that particular moment (if he didn't save Tony, what was he doing back then?). Plus the involvement of SHIELD is non-existent in this episode even though Fury was the author of the Avengers Initiative. episode 1: staying below or watching from above episode 2: sheltered or wayward episode 3: aspiration or reluctance episode 4: pragmatic or affiliative episode 5: mutation or evolution episode 6: ????

[@thedarkknight2221]

I love how he said he was an anime fan when it was Michael B. Jordan’s idea to have Killmonger’s outfit be based on Vegeta. It’s also really is scary how smart Killmonger is. I’m pretty sure if he was in Game Of Thrones he would’ve won the entire “Game” in in season 1. I really hope that they continue this story in season 2.

[@prathapkutty7407]

I hope he comes back in wakanda forever. I also want klaw back as he's just pure evil. He reminds me of mark hamills joker.

[@theninjabird9510]

@@prathapkutty7407 he’s dead tho

[@boramsey5122]

No Avengers, No Ultron, A third of Civil War, And the most important, No Trevor Slattery!!!!🤯

[@veot.2869]

Hi Achara! I know this might be difficult to understand, but in some MCU comic versions Killmonger did actually become Black Panther. 😲😱

[@abhishekhaikerwal9593]

The turning point is that iron monger hired killmonger to kill tony stark In iron man 1 iron monger never hired the killmonger

[@ashura3313]

He hired the 10 rings but Killmonger said he was undercover maybe you're right because it's what if?

[@jeanclaudebardinat4072]

T’Challa is such a man of wisdom. I like his lines - not just words but maturity driven points of existential perspectives.

[@Fanrule]

In the Dr. Strange movie, you DID see them break up. It was after the accident, when he was depressed from not being able to use his hands. He insulted her, and told her to leave.

[@jellalfernandes1309]

I understand exactly what you are feeling Achara, I felt the same way.

[@aikenp]

achara'a reaction to killmonger in this episode is priceless.

[@brandond4345]

I loved seeing Black Panthers action in animation form! Really just like the comics. But they keep killing tony in every episode🤦🏾‍♂️ lol they gotta cut it out. But Really unique episode I loved it but we def need some levity next week

[@nayeebG]

This episode shows how dangerous Tony stark is if he didnt became Ironman. And Killmoger.....damn, he was awesome. 👌💥

[@juliant]

Yh... I'm one of those people who are asking, what is Jaby talking about? The episode relies on our knowledge of the marvel universe, they didn't show us the butterfly effect of killmongers actions, we're supposed to know. Think of every action each of the the people killmonger killed takes in the MCU. All of that will be different... anything that involved Tony, T'challa or Rhodey will change.

[@kieranwatts8037]

by killing tony he can wage war on Wakanada By killing T challa he can get to the throne easier without suspision Rhodey died by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. the episode isnt that complicated, kill monger saves stark meaning he doesnt become iron man, he became iron man in the caves when we got kidnapped by the 10 rings, Killmonger then manipluates stark to create the weapons he wants and wage a fake war on Wakanda Killmonger plays both sides, manipulating both in order to get the black panther powers and be closer to the throne.

[@tiberiusgrey1529]

@@kieranwatts8037 problem is this is the cause and effect of one choice, the question is that what was the alternative/ the other option he picked at the main MCU because there is nothing to compare it with or even validate the question what if

[@ChrisJerico2]

@@tiberiusgrey1529 There was, Killmonger says it himself. The butterfly effect was him finding out about the Stark assassination attempt and enacting his plan around that planned event. I think the change in this one is a lot more easy to understand than the zombie one where the butterfly effect is literally “welp Janet was a zombie IG”

[@tiberiusgrey1529]

@@ChrisJerico2 I get that but what was the other option in the MCU proper to support the "what if" argument; there needs to be at least 2 choices for a "what if" scenario to occur.

[@juliant]

@@tiberiusgrey1529 not true, the what if in the first episode was one choice... Peggy choosing to stay... everything else came from that choice. The second episode's what if came from yandu choosing to send his crew rather than go himself... and so on and so on.... So the what if in this episode came from killmongers choice to save Tony.

[@hbinitials7]

I feel like this is actually the origin of shuri.... Instead of killmonger. For the upcoming black panther movie!!

[@thejediofuspartii538]

6:03 Feel like we're definitely going to see something like that in the beginning of Wakanda Forever. And I wouldn't be surprised if we saw cameos of the other characters at his funeral(particularly the ones who knew him best like Sam, Bucky, Rhodey). It's going to be an emotional wreck.

[@q2k100]

This universe would have tons of differences from the main timeline. It's not universe ending like the Zombies or Strange episode, but think about how much Tony and T'Challa alone being gone 10 years earlier changes. They also started a war with the US and the real Wakanda was revealed to the US way before the main timeline. Lastly, the thing about What If is it's not really about feeling anything specific by the end. It's essentially a short story thought process just like the comics. I feel like people are having trouble with the fact that these don't have full on played out continuations.

[@hazelmurdoch6529]

Also the US will lose the war, allowing Wakanda to become the world superpower

[@QueBeats]

I think Jabby needed to see more of the effects visually, the effects Killmonger would have had in this universe are not as visual as the other episodes

[@J-vr5ju]

Lol in all these reactions, Jaby misses the point 😂. Killmonger with the power of Wakanda behind him, will most likely go to war with the rest of the world.

[@pandasambit15]

I feel like Killmonger making this decision to gain access to Tony Stark's technology and then killing him changed the entire history. Not only we don't have any Avengers (yet), but also potentially no SHIELD..(without Tony's help and tech). He pitted US vs Wakanda, knwoing that Wakanda can easily beat te US forces, and at the end he can just take the throne killing Tchaka (eventually). With Shuri realizing this, and US getting to know about Wakanda's secret, changes the whole course of Wakanda's intro to the world. Now Shuri can help Potts and the SHIELD (if it exists) with Vibaranium tech, much early and that could lead to whole new opportunities, and possibilities. May be we don't even have a New York incidence here, or Thanos...since there is no Stark.

[@user-km4lo8zz6z]

I don’t think wakanda will easily beat the USA. The war will go on for a while and it will be a struggle

[@pandasambit15]

You are right. It may not be an immediate victory. But with wakandan technology and with the dora milage...I don't think it will be that difficult for wakanda. Of course there will br casualties on both sides.

[@user-km4lo8zz6z]

@@pandasambit15 yeah sure though I’m not really sure tho how well they will fair with spares and stuff. I think the us has the advantage with their guns. A head shot will do. Until wakandans start making helmets I think they are at a disadvantage

[@Akash-ic1sy]

I can't stop laughing seeing achara awkward face in thumbnail

[@Dancingqween3]

The thing with tchaka not picking up that Killmonger was could be out for him.. and also why killmonger didnt kill him { in my opinion} in the live action we know that killm saw the plane.. but they dont know that because he was not home he was outside.. and killm knew already his peoples stories and knew who did it. He found someone who could help him make his plan work took out the involve and did as he didnt know who kill his father to get what he wanted. I think the fact that killmonger said ”he didnt know who kill his father but if he did he could do something about it make tchaka think he didnt know it was him and they welcomed him. Killmonger had good choice of words and could play ppl .

[@kowsarahammad4807]

25:40 Killmonger rescues Tony Stark because in this universe King T'Chaka didn't kill his father, Americans did. Remember the plan Killmonger's father had been forging before his death by T'Chaka? What if... T'Chaka couldn't get across the information about his brother being involved in Klaw's invasion in Wakanda? Then Killmonger's father eventually would have been killed by American war intelligence. That's why instead of focusing how to defeat T'Challa in front of everyone, humiliating him; he choose to humiliate the American war intelligence first, igniting direct war between them & Wakanda. That's why he saw T'Challa instead of his father in ancestral plane, because he still felt some sort of guilt for killing him, where in main universe he didn't.

[@ajitmaharana892]

Yes of course it's so much frustrating....I totally agree with the Achara. I want a part 2 of this episode and the zombie episode.....I hated that it ended in such a way.

[@akdollface007]

As bad as the experience was for Tony (in the MCU timeline), without that experience (journey, knowledge, actual experience), he doesn’t grow and doesn’t become his best self. And things can (and do!) really suck as we’re going thru difficulties and trials...if we can hold on, we can become our best selves. Poor Tony doesn’t because he didn’t experience that situation. Chadwick speaking from the Ancestral Plain was powerful.

[@ronstoppable1133]

I think the proper title for this What If episode should be "What if KillMonger moved his time table back more than a decade earlier" , that would've cleared up any assumptions on Stark's or the Avengers involvement in the story lol

[@metalheadindian9174]

I am angry that this show doesn't have Bully Maguire in it. Bully Maguire supremacy all the way!!!!

[@mageeaaron2624]

6:34 Seeing this scene, I was assuming that Tony Stark was going to be a Lex Luthor kind of character in this universe, instead of being Iron Man! That would of been insane

[@armanafridi4384]

Killmonger's back story is the same as it was in the movie Achara.

[@atharvaruplag]

Tony dies for the 4th time. Vision:- Finally, a worthy opponent!

[@christopherhenry1206]

Great episode but the Navy dress uniform or choker whites….emblems we’re all wrong. Shoulder boards should have been for the rank or LT. He had in ones noting an admiral. The wings emblem is for pilots or Air warfare. He is a seal so should have the seal emblem. Rant done.

[@THG-3141]

The difference for the plans is simple. His original plan happened in a Black Panther movie. His second plan happened in a Killmonger episode. And they're showing that Killmonger with resources is nearly unstoppable. His resource pool went from his spec ops SEAL team, to Tony Stark, to the entire Department of Defense, to the most technologically advanced society on the planet + super powers. That's why the different plan, it would be a bad Black Panther movie of Killmonger wins

[@ScotInTheDot]

This episode (and to a lesser extent, the previous ones) simply proves that becoming Iron Man literally saved Tony Stark's life a long time ago. He was already on a downward spiral of ego, alcohol, and recklessness when he was kidnapped by the Ten Rings. And made poor business decisions in who he chose to work closest with...

[@mageeaaron2624]

This episode was okay however, the story feels a little rushed and it feels like this episode should of been after the third episode, "What if Earth lost its Mightest Heroes?" Regardless, I'm still enjoying the dark tone of the series. Enjoyed the reaction! 🙏🏽💪

[@aditisk99]

They have to make part 2 of some episodes including this one.

[@Ghost8386]

Charisma & Manipulation: Erik Killmonger is an incredibly masterful schemer and manipulator. Easily being able to convert even the most loyal of T'Challa's citizenry to his cause, this coupled with his tactical mind gives N'Jadaka most easy acclimation of loyal troops who'll fight and die for him.

[@Chiraglb]

its weird how easily tony died if he already knew killmonger has killed rhodey he would've prepared way better than just making a robot

[@sanketkumbhar3471]

This was the first good episode of what if !!

[@samuelclayhills3298]

Man its almost like the episode was made to show that Killmonger was kinda a prick after all and that just because he said racism bad witch he didn't even practice as he himself is racist and killed blacks and bragged about and just because he has a sad backstory doesent make him a good guy.

[@Ghost8386]

Erik Killmonger fan since 1998.

[@fazeer0111]

The results of this ending is that, No Iron man, but Wakanda is already known to the world. So Fury may try to recruit Killmonger's Black Panther as one of the Avenger. Shuri and Pepper on the other hand, does not have much. Stark Industries is now controlled by Govt, and Killmonger is the King of Wakanda. Though the US govt is against Wakanda now, Killmonger may blame Klaw for killing Tony as Wakanda would have a record of Klaw stealing vibranium. Now, without Iron Man, the illegal Nuke targetted on New York when avengers were failing, will actually hit New York because Tony will not be there to take it out, and with New York gone, many people we know now will be gone, like Stephen Strange who was just a doctor performing a surgery while battle of New York was happening. Loki may have succeeded, and much more...

[@CAB4128]

Also, every What If can't end with the destruction of the timeline. that's nonsensical. so basically every timeline that isn't the way you like it/want it is invalid and can't exist? not every change is a universe-ender and the main timeline isn't the only one that should matter/exist. Also each timeline can't be about the butterfly effect. its just another timeline where a variety of different things happen

[@harishkumark2112]

Tony stark died once in MCU movies He has already died three times in this series 😂

[@shauryadeshwal7368]

4 times if you count the universe getting destroyed in doctor strange episode.

[@harishkumark2112]

@@shauryadeshwal7368 yup 😂

[@swethas5335]

There are always two types of stories in Marvel, one is more ground level and another is more cosmic level. Dr. Strange story is more cosmic level and it has power and magic to destroy the universe. Tony Stark is more ground level, it effects the universe around him, Tony Stark's death puts two countries at war with each other which may lead to Hitler level domination from Kill Monger. Also the universe still may end because there is no Tony Stark to make the sacrifice play and snap as in end game.

[@antzvoli4577]

This was an amazing episode and the subtle long term scheming added to the complexity and for me, made it one of my faves. Killmonger was a dick and someone I was firmly rooting against but man, what a fascinating episode!

[@ViolettaVie]

Killmonger started a war between Wakanda and the U.S. and he took out the first member of the Avengers. The outcome of him becoming Black Panther is the same but the situation on earth is more vulnerable to Loki's attack and then Thanos. So I think this episode actually has very foreboding consequences.

[@steelothian]

Well, the goal of a "What if?" comic wasn't so much about immediate resolution as it is testing the standard we've grown to know. Everyone has that "What if the bad guy won?" conversation on some form of entertainment. I'm sure we can all sit back and ask ourselves that this doesn't seem too far away from the actions of the character, so why wouldn't he do it? Well, because it's a "What If?" story and we're in an established fragile multiverse, where taking a drink of water or not becomes 2 separate timelines. If anything, this becomes more a story of a timeline balancing itself out as it should. The watcher focused on "hero", not that it had to be Tony Stark. And Pepper Potts and Sheri might not even be the selection for that task, just the catalyst..

[@chelle4757]

I believe the point is that there is no nice way to get what Kilmonger wants.

[@bhuvanakalaikumar9563]

I am from Tamil nadu ,I am the fan of jaby koay

[@kkprem6443]

🙋🏻me too

[@akshaykarthick7822]

Vanakkam pa

[@seanthompson3595]

Even Chadwicks voice, through animation, has a presence......Wow! #OurKing 🙅🏻‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅🏼‍♂️🙅🏽‍♂️🙅🏽‍♂️🙅🏿‍♂️

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

You guys are missing the whole point, what is different in this reality is that *half of life of the universe is going to get wiped out permanently !* Take a few seconds to think about it!

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

Many milestones in the history of the Avengers never happen without Tony but the absolute moment is the invention of the Tech for the time heist. There will be no "I'm Iron Man moment" erasing Thanos and his army. In fact, Thanos' snap is permanent. That is if Loki invasion of New York doesn't succeed since Toni was so crucial in foiling it. Thanos may get the stones sooner.

[@jomz2058]

What jaby was looking for is, what's killmongers nexus event? We just dropped in and went out. No beginning nor end.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Coming across the plans to assassinate Tony while undercover which never happened in the OG timeline.

[@aquariustheheretic7567]

how do you see through a person who has saved your life? killmonger could have let tony die and he rescued him. rescue doesn't make people suspicious.

[@Nightlightknight]

What I don't get is that at the end Shuri comes to Pepper with, I think, proof of Erik's murder to T'Challa. Why does she not go to T'Chaka and Ramonda with that? Either way, this episode cements Stevens as up there as one of the MCU's best villains. Manipulative, calculating, vicious, deadly, and single-minded.

[@thejmeister]

I don't think Killmonger is any different here, other than being more calculated. He's just as ruthless, just as motivated, just as vengeful. He betrays and murders his way into Wakanda in both universes, he's just more successful here.

[@OjukwuIsaac]

The Avengers was going to start because of Nick Fury; remember the end of Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel inspired him to start the Avengers; he even thought of the name. Black Widow would have been one of his first according to Iron Man 2. We know Tony recruited the Dr. Banner so maybe or maybe not we would have a Hulk. We would still get a Avengers team it just would have been different. Fuy did recruit Captain America. Thanos would have still came for the stones; it all depends if Loki defeats the Avengers in this timeline. Thanos came because Loki failed; so Thanos said he would do it himself.

[@junayedahmed5805]

Achara reactions in every what if episode 👌😂😂😂

[@mackeym10]

Honestly it sounds like you are a little bit spoiled from all the other marvel stuff that you are given on a regular basis because usually you get so much content. Like most movies are hour and a half or more. All the other Marvel live action Siri‘s have been about 45 minutes and this is about the same time. But because it’s an animated show and they have to do a lot just to make the stuff that they have now. You feel kind of rushed because you only get about maybe 25 maybe 30 minutes in each of these episodes and that’s not counting the intro or the Retread that they have to do for people who might have not seen the movies in years or no the basis of where they’re at starting the concept that they’re talking about.