Marvel Will NEVER Win People Back Unless THIS CHANGES!

[@squirreltactics]

Thunderbolts is ripping off Suicide Squad which ripped off Guardians of the Galaxy which ripped off Farscape.

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

How can SS be a ripped from GOG since James Gunn created both ? lol I guess it’s in the same style but not a rip

[@cahe6161]

​@@ElPresidenteMargzJames Gunn created those characters now? 😂

[@erikbihari3625]

​@@cahe6161. You try reasoning with someone who have ttg profile picture?

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

@@cahe6161 these versions of the characters for the movies he made ? Y’all are mentally regarded, I swear

[@cahe6161]

@@ElPresidenteMargz You're the one making the "regarded" claim. If you meant something else then use the correct words, he didn't create, he poorly adapted.

[@cheesebvrgers]

Marvel “humor” is one of the worst things about the universe.

[@Ididtherightthing]

“Said no one ever” 😆

[@Ididtherightthing]

I think the only explanation for why I put up with it for as long as I did was some form of Stockholm syndrome. I remember being uncomfortable with it around the time the first Guardians trailer came out but when I actually watched it I thought “well it’s not as bad as I expected” and soon enough I just became numb to it.

[@kungaroomanga5639]

Truly, it has infected other IPs with it.

[@lepjagman]

It used to be super fresh back in the early 2010s, now it's played-out.

[@raimywinter2309]

Agreed

[@ElPresidenteMargz]

I think we are mistakenly ripping into James Gunn when it was actually Joss Wheddon who started the “MCU humor”. James Gunn just took it and made it more adult centered and better IMO

[@Not-spelt-like-at]

Fr james gunn hate is so forced & unwarranted

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

Yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy was always in the comedy genre and was produced as such. Gunn was known for his dark humor, they cast a sitcom star as the lead, one member is a talking raccoon, and another is a tree alien that keeps saying his own name. You can't play any of that straight. Gunn did nothing wrong.

[@NoirNameless]

It’s not “James Gunn” style comedy. It’s Joss Wheadon style comedy. A reporters first reaction to seeing a red hulk in the brand new world is literally to quip lol. Who did that kind of dialogue start with in the mcu? Cause it wasn’t James. Edit: I’m not saying who has better comedy between the two. I’m saying to put all of the current mcu’s humor in Gunn when it was happening before him is unfair and inaccurate. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@stromaufwaerts-b7w]

Even Joss Wheadon always knew which characters can be the comic relief and which better should stay serious. The balance is what modern writers fails at.

[@elishawilson5342]

​​@@stromaufwaerts-b7wThor in the first avengers was a good example he had a sense of humor but it was subtle not over the top trying to make you laugh all the time then you get to Ragnarok and Thor is joking every five minutes and doesn't shut up hardly to the point you wonder if he's Thor or Deadpool or spidey

[@randomtaglmao]

@@elishawilson5342 Once I saw how Thor turned out to be, I just appreciated the Thor from the first movie, literally some dense guy from a Shakespear novel thrown into the modern world with superpowers. Sometimes the funniest mf you know won't even be trying to make jokes, and for me that could've been Thor

[@elishawilson5342]

@randomtaglmao well he was at first from the first Thor up to about age of Ultron though infinity war did try to bring that balance back and I even feel endgame tried to as well with him going through depression but then love and thunder ruined it again

[@dannypalin9583]

@@elishawilson5342 I remember back in 2019 where I told my friends that making Thor a jokey character would be seen as a bad move 15 years from then. Love and Thunder proves I was too generous.

[@91MoonKnight]

I blame Joss Whedon's humour which has rippled across every form of media

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Facts

[@WilliamTucker-x1q]

I think in Captain America 4 Ross should tell Sam to get off my plane.

[@DemonicRemption]

@WilliamTucker-x1q I understood that reference...

[@murrayjeffree8245]

The CGI in the Cap 4 trailer just felt very immersion breaking because it felt so contrary to real physics. And they need to stop with the "nanotech-helmets" it just doesn't look real. It would be nice to have a Marvel movie that's a bit more grounded and sincere, but it also needs to feel real.

[@retroboomer3197]

Warlock was ruined in the Guardians of the Galaxy because they turned him into a dumb guy and treated him like a joke. Now they're doing the same thing with "Bob" (Sentry) in The Thunderbolts. I can't believe anyone is actually looking forward to that movie. It's the same stupid humor from Love and Thunder, but somehow that same humor is what people are looking forward to in it?

[@arthurbriand2175]

From the trailer, Bob seems goofy but from the looks he gives after all these soldiers shot him, his other side may not be that dopey.

[@guywholikesanimations1018]

@@arthurbriand2175yeah The reason why we aren’t seeing much of bob here is cause marvel wants to show and set up how much of a big deal he is So big that they don’t just wanna spoil it in trailers

[@cahe6161]

They also f*cked up Red Guardian, who they gave the Thor trearment, and of course then there's "Taskmaster".

[@dionallen6842]

Warlock was basically a child in GOT3. Of course he's not going to be that smart. And he did real damage to the Guardians.

[@xgray2012]

You do realize that Taika Whatiti isn't directing this movie, right?!

[@sammysstopmotionoas2004]

Marvel and the entire entertainment industry need to get over the obsession with comedy. Guardians worked because it had actual good writing and came out at a time when everyone was trying make the next The Dark Knight.

[@iy8-z1o]

I don't think comedy itself is the problem but instead it's the "copy and paste" style comedy that marvel and a Lotta other movies use nowadays. The jokes aren't clever or creative, they're run of the mill, expected, boring and almost formulaic. Bc of this copy and paste formula movies now generally don't have observational comedy like Seinfeld, dark comedy, slapstick, parody/satire or things like that

[@sammysstopmotionoas2004]

​@iy8-z1o true. It is particular kind of comedy that is hurting everything. I probably should have specified what type of comedy and humor it is that's hurting the entertainment. By the way I love your Chef Ramsay profile picture, I am a huge fan of that man!

[@maximusprime3459]

They're just leaning on what they feel works. Maybe the audience shouldnt have kept showing up for all the previous "comedic" films.

[@bulletxwound3559]

I don't even think comedy is the problem. All the movies feel so formulaic now. Anytime there is a serious moment Marvel inserts some lame joke, and it undercuts any tension. The first time I really noticed it was in Thor Ragnarok. When Asgard blew up and korg started making jokes, I facepalmed so hard.

[@dannypalin9583]

This is my prediction. Thunderbolts is essentially Black Widow 2. It’s The Yelena Belova Movie. But John Walker will upstage her big time.

[@edselgreaves6503]

I have a feeling people are going to burst out laughing in the cinema when they see Red Hulk and Marvel execs will be confused because they didnt greenlight a joke

[@samwitherington8202]

Look, writers, just don't mess up John Walker. He was one of the only good things to come from the shows (even though I think they made him good entirely by accident). Please, do him justice.

[@DoubleO88]

Absolutely agree with everything, I reacted to the trailers on my channel and I don't understand why the "Dark Avengers" are cracking more jokes than the "good guy" colourful Avengers.

[@darkknightfan7520]

Marvel has had a problem with “humor” since age of ultron, they still don’t get how to write natural quippy banter, it comes off as forced and I almost can’t take their films/shows seriously if it feels like it’s written for 6 year olds. (The spider-man movies for example are the absolute worst of mcu humor) Comedy is subjective and I don’t want marvel to be the dark knight, but for once can’t they be respectful of the audience’s intelligence to not write something completely juvenile?

[@aurahoneydew9607]

They should probably drop the jokes entirely. That thing was meant for a still image. In live action just doesn't work.

[@BigdogGaming-sm3lj]

They don't understand that the comedy comes from the natural situations. You cannot force a situation to be funny. The studio think that they can quantify comedy. By putting in so many marks for the comedy bits. But it doesn't work that way.

[@dragonsword8129]

In regards to Spider-man, Proffessor Thorgi put it pretty well in his review of the 2018 game: Spider-man works better when he's telling a joke, rather than being a joke. Telling a joke is wisecracks, quips, etc. Being a joke is basically having a pie thrown in your face. I can't recall Tom Holland's Spidey doing that many quips in Homecoming (aside from the Avenger thugs) and I still can't believe that Far From Home didn't have him make ONE SINGLE joke about Mysterio's fishbowl. Instead, we got a lot of situational humor at Spidey's expense. No Way Home had some improvements, but even then, Andrew Garfield's Peter just stole the show when it came to one-liners. Insomniac's version of Peter definitely nails what Spider-man humor should be.

[@cynicalperson161]

It's like they want every character to be Deadpool.

[@bulletxwound3559]

​@@aurahoneydew9607nah the jokes can work. It's just that Marvel keeps hiring incompetent people to do their job. They hire people who don't even care about the characters, and are completely okay with butchering their storylines for some lame jokes. It honestly feels like the writers grew up watching Big bang theory and were also Joss sweadon fans, and they're trying to replicate that style of comedy. They need better writers.

[@Ultriac301]

Have a good and speedy recovery, Jester Bell!

[@theofficialmikesemporiumyo4520]

Bucky doesn’t want to replace Steve, he wants to see his legacy grow. Besides the fact that he’s essentially a relic of the past. If they called it avengers then everyone would critique it based on being another avengers movie, calling it an entirely different name gives it a freedom that it wouldn’t have if you linked it to the other title. Also the whole PR idea of it not connected to their past blunders, if it fails they just move on.

[@erikbihari3625]

Sam Wilson;"you gotta stop calling them terrorists". French narrator;"meanwhile"!

[@expandapantsii341]

man I hate that line

[@arthurbriand2175]

What French narrator are you referring to ?

[@a.f.watcher8888]

@@arthurbriand2175spongebob JOEY!

[@erikbihari3625]

​​​@@expandapantsii341. Yeah, even the original joes had more balls, and sense!

[@erikbihari3625]

​@@arthurbriand2175. Spongebob?

[@OoLOSTWORLDoO]

They started this nonsense before Gunn. Iron Man 3 ....Trevor

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

They started before Iron Man 3. Avengers ....Joss Whedon.

[@fakshen1973]

Give us the "seriousness" of Superman I and Superman II (1970's - Early 80s). There were a couple of funny moments. But we were seeing a hero do what a hero does, as well as a lot of character development. Character development, something Marvel doesn't really do anymore.

[@drtaverner]

Even then they made _Superman III_ a comedy. Film studios don't understand why certain films work and so lean into what they _think_ was popular.

[@josebrown5961]

🎯💯! Some things are supposed to be humorous. The GOTG was a movie that could only be done with humor. Thor shouldn’t be a comedy. Should it have a few laughs? Yes but the God Of Thunder is not a comedy.

[@davidstinger1134]

You don't need to go back that far. The Raimi Spiderman movies did it just fine. And for a far newer example, X-Men Days of Future Past, for me the best example of what tone should superhero movies have.

[@xgray2012]

In the comics or in the movies and TV shows?

[@antwonsmith8931]

I call it "Cringe" humor.

[@Slicedude2004]

The most confusing thing about this whole thing yesterday for me was that they decided to release a second Thunderbots trailer instead of the Daredevil trailer.

[@LycorisThe]

Theatrical release versus streamer release confuses you?

[@Slicedude2004]

@@LycorisThe Well Daredevil comes out first. Thunderbolts is 2 months after Daredevil

[@NathanIsRacin]

I actually thought the humor in thunderbolts trailer was mild compared to the venom trailer

[@eon001]

Disagree with this take. Mackie doesn't need to be in Thunderbolts based on him being comedic. Half of the cast is already wise cracking. Sam Wilson on top of that would be overkill. Bucky as the straight man balances things out.

[@doyscherr]

It isn't "James Gunn" humor. It hasn't been since End Game. The humor is Disney Channel humor because Disney owns Marvel. They have trended all productions to a Disney Channel level of production.

[@M-Pawz]

the writers of the Thunderbolts have pretty much a very lack luster track record in the industry, and the director is also doing the Star Wars show Skeleton Crew. these details alone are enough to make one check out of this movie, and I most certainly will wait until it comes on digital.

[@prismavoid3764]

I thought that the point of making Sam Wilson into Cap instead of Bucky was bc Bucky was a deeply traumatized person who'd been through enough, and he didn't need to have the responsibility thrust upon him. Dude was tortured by Hydra and used as their pawn for decades, let him retire. But nope, just put him on another super team and treat him like a bad guy even though nothing he did was actually his fault.

[@josebrown5961]

Making Sam the new Cap was the way it was done in the comics. That is why I thought they did it. He was Cap till Rogers came back. I was not a big Winter Soldier fan so I am not aware of his character but if you think he would be a better Cap…

[@cahe6161]

​@@josebrown5961You know Bucky was Cap first right? And his run was miles better than any other with Sam as Cap.

[@josebrown5961]

@@cahe6161I did not know that. I was not that big of a Cap fan in the old days. (The 90s)

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

​@@josebrown5961they were Cap at the same time until Steve was Resurrected That guy is just stating opinions but yeah they were both Cap at the same time

[@darthtepes]

It was really odd to skip Bucky as Cap (whom he was in the comics). Given that the films before Endgame were kinda doing a buildup to it and then just Endgame ending gave up was...continuity, anyone?

[@phoeni3902]

The existence of Joss Whedon has been a curse upon modern writing

[@claquetabeat7280]

No, you need to watch more movies, not only marvel and Dc movies.....

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

​@@claquetabeat7280Wrong. Dude is 100% right. Whedonisms have spread to more than movies

[@qui-gonrick7002]

Mixed feelings about that. Whedon has done some great stuff, but he has inspired a lot of people that can't do the same thing very well at all.

[@godssss42]

You are 100% right. The cap trailer was good. Too many people who can’t make a fair assessment because they want a certain outcome.

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

Ironically, for all you call it James Gunn humor, not only it predates James Gunn but also he actually wants his DCU to be diverse in tone. He acknowledges not everything can have the same tone; a Superman can be a lighthearted story, whereas a Swamp Thing movie should be a dark horror film, as he has explained. Meanwhile, people used to blame the MCU humor on Whedon if I'm not mistaken, because it was already happening in the first Avengers movie, it might have got worse after the success of Guardians, but the MCU was already using Avengers humor in their other movies since phase 2. The success of Ragnarok might have also thrown more fuel to the fire, which is ironic considering Love and Thunder was kinda a nail in the coffin for Marvel humor. Anyway, my point is that I not only think Gunn isn't to blame but also Gunn's DCU might be less likely to force the humor on all its movies and shows than the MCU itself.

[@Lidoe]

She reminds me of a lesser known Grace Randolph since they both seem to have a hate boner for Gunn

[@Carabas72]

Why would anybody want Swamp Thing of all characters to be dark? Have you read a Swamp thing book? He's like the character in DC that is most tied to hope, life, goodness etcetera that doesn't wear a red cape.

[@greendemon905]

Maybe this time they'll give Red Guardian a serious moment that doesn't end with him looking like a fool...

[@elyk10a]

I agree with everything

[@jeremyusreevu237]

When the dude said "It's bulletproof-ish." I groaned so hard.

[@renamon5658]

Got a marvel add for the beginning of this video

[@silverloveguns]

because you watch alot of marvel related content

[@azureblue9829]

I watch a lot of marvel related content and I just get the generic ads, I guess the experience is different for different people

[@Itsberserkintime2024]

Bucky deserves better 😢

[@maximusprime3459]

I don't remember Sam being a "jokey" sidekick. Besides he could use a win since up until now he's been treated as a secondary sidekick character who lost a fight to even Ant-Man, got dusted in the Infinity War and lost five years. The personality change mostly comes from previous recent events(Infinity War, Endgame, Falcon and the Winter Soldier) and the responsibility that comes with the shield. Sam is still a soldier afterall, theres an amount of seriousness that goes with it.

[@MrSupertallblackman]

Sam is literally introduced into the MCU with a jogging joke. He's always been a jokey character in the MCU especially when put next to Steve who was always pretty straight laced.

[@extrojan22]

I kinda disagree on Anthony Mackey not being able to carry a lead in a TV show. Twisted Metal IMO was good, the Banker is good as well and he’s done many ethic shows really well.

[@iraford5788]

People who say that usually haven't seen many other movies with Anthony Mackie as the lead.

[@EarlHildebrandt]

The bleeding will continue until the patient is healthy.

[@succ.lia97]

Or dead

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

Medieval style

[@xgray2012]

Actually, Sam Wilson gives out quips. Not jokes.

[@akashnagar8694]

I think it's joss Whedon humour style

[@Moonkidmax]

I LOVED the trailer for captain America 4: looks dope af judging off the trailer

[@N_Loco_Parenthesis]

[06:10] She sounds like Comic Book Guy ranting about Aquaman. Then the missile. "Oh...I've wasted my life."

[@alexandrostheodorou235]

tbh bucky didn't deserve to become captain america

[@xgray2012]

Because he didn't last that long as Captain America did in the comics?!

[@willwidrick8039]

Now I think about it the main reason I enjoyed the new Captain America 4 trailer was because it was serious and reminded me of the previous Captain America movies. I’m so done with the jokes, why are we being so unserious when there are lives at stake? Here’s wishing Cap 4 is half as good as the previous Cap movies

[@hacksawDDS]

I was so damn excited to see more John Walker... then that trailer dropped.

[@studio96films65]

Marvel should do more serious movies like Logan. I know it’s not Marvel studios but it’s a good backdrop and they should do more R-Rated movies. Maybe a potential R-Rated Ghost Rider movie.

[@otisheckles6249]

Harrison Ford becomes the Red Hulk because he's pissed that Han Solo got killed on a bridge, by his son, a pale imitation of Darth Vader!

[@codyraven8969]

I don’t know if it’s considered successful but I love the altered carbon show on Netflix and Anthony mackie was amazing as the lead in season two….. even if I did enjoy the first season better

[@deathbourne4168]

NGL, I REALLY dug that Thunderbolts trailer. 😂 I’m 100% on board for this film.

[@mrsam0496]

Cap has Winter Soldier vibes. A genre movie with superheroes in it. People arent convinced because the villain is Hulk(one of the good guys) like how people didnt like that Scarlet Witch was the villain in Dr Strange 2. Thunderbolts looks like the usual superhero team up with lots of oneliners😅

[@heavyjukebox6483]

The funniest thing about this movie is that there’s not even an original member of the team in this movie.

[@dylanwong6065]

I agree. Like I said, even though Black Widow, Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Thor: Love and Thunder, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, and Deadpool and Wolverine were the only Marvel films to be a real success post-Infinity Saga, MCU have already lost their steam. I will see both Captain America 4 and the new Fantastic Four reboot but I won’t expect too much. Thunderbolts looks more like a Marvel version of Suicide Squad. They need to be careful on how much money they spend on the film’s budget.

[@ClassicHarleyQuinn]

At the end of the day, both will fail at the box office, I'll be surprised if they don't. Also get well soon. 😊

[@maximusprime3459]

America is seeing red these days, literally...they'll do well enough.

[@lindamagagula7476]

Marvel Humor should have changed. Some of the jokes in Thunderbolts aren't funny. They were cringed.

[@Carabas72]

You have not watched the movie. You have watched some out-of-context fragments edited together into a trailer. You probably have not watched a single, complete joke from the movie.

[@NocandNC]

I'm also sick ^^;; another interesting and thoughtful video, but make sure to rest!

[@erikbihari3625]

Know"jes", your rant brough back phase one. They treated themselves seriously(given others like"Marvel musical"joked about pre avengers villain deaths)!

[@Ruleof2Review]

Real talk: the complete nonstop humor absolutely KILLED Deadpool and Wolverine for me. Even for a DP movie it was still way way too much. The movie never had a chance to breath or be a story. All I could think was “just SHUT UP.” Jokes ruined the whole thing. I hated it. Hugh deserved better!!!

[@RacingSnails64]

Really? I thought D&W had a surprising of heart to it. Hugh got several serious scenes where he just got to be emotional and show how weighed down by the past that version of Logan is.

[@liampatrick3110]

What did you expect?

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

You went to a Deadpool movie what did you expect? 😂

[@Lidoe]

Bro went to a comedy movie not expecting a lot of…comedy

[@omniframe8612]

4:30 yeah It even has the same color pallet almost as JG’s SS. Lol The whole mimic idea doesn’t stick. For me personally, Group films always have that dynamic, you’re seeing a cinematic trope repeated not a director’s shtick. The execution varies but it’s nothing new.

[@Jota_Aniki]

It's funny how they throw shade about how the 2000s superhero movies were embarrassed to accept the comic troupes and were too serious, but now they just make them into one big comedy or can't seem to have a story without slew of in a self-aware or self-referential joke

[@bulletxwound3559]

6:07 Bucky should have been cap, it's part of his character arc. That could have been used as a way for Bucky to redeem himself. It also sucks that they killed of Black widow because her and Bucky have a lot in common, there was potential to try adapt their relationship. It's just crazy how much Marvel has wasted Bucky as a character.

[@mrsam0496]

Those actors wanted out. Evans, RDJ, Scarlet were done and wanted to go back to high brow acting

[@vova2422]

How will Cap fight the Red Hulk with only gadgets? Just like Batman fights against a fully pumped up Venom Bane, giant Killer Croc or Clayface using his intelligence, tactics and strategy.

[@svenkampen1647]

The strength difference is not nearly as high in those examples though.

[@vova2422]

@svenkampen1647 Yes, I get it perfectly, the Red Hulk is stronger than them all. But Cap also has something that Batman does not have. For example, an indestructible shield and wings that easily cut metal. He also has the ability to fly over the sound barrier and launch drones with lasers and missiles. Therefore, if they play all these possibilities wisely, this could turn out to be one of the best action scenes in the MCU. At least I hope so.

[@svenkampen1647]

@@vova2422 Don't hold your breath for that. But hey hope dies last.

[@samwitherington8202]

And plot armour.

[@jellybeans2707]

There needs to be a mandate that unless you have either Spider-Man Deadpool or Iron-Man your not allowed to have characters quip, I love Sentry I like his look(comic)his costume (comic) and his power but after that seen with Yelena blowing up that building I stopped went to watch something else and went about my day.

[@malhar__8932]

i liked the thunderbolts trailer but i still agree with you, the humor wasnt necessary

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Despite being unwell, thanks for your insight on how the MCU fell, JesterBell! You look pretty despite not feeling so hot! Looking forward to your short film more than any Marvel movie. Hope you feel better soon! And if you celebrate, hope you and yours have a blessed Veterans Day tomorrow.

[@kenarbes]

You make some good points. I like Yelena's dark humor. With her past, it fits. I don't think Bucky belongs with the Thunderbolts*, looks like backsliding, to me. Especially after he was in a good emotional state after FaTWS. I've liked the trailers I've seen, so far, but have been avoiding CA:BNW's trailers. The new CA movies just doesn't feel right. I guess we'll have to wait and see how these movies turn out.

[@Brotherofthe4thCompany]

Get well soon, homegirl.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

*Feel Better!* 🍲 🍜 🍵 ☕️

[@Karoljay2]

Both trailers looks good but Captain America brave New World looks better but would say for Thunderbolts you get to see Bob aka the Sentry but I agree Captain America looks more serious see none of the MCU lame humor plus you see little glimpse of the Leader getting Winter Soldier vibes

[@timcuedesignz2798]

Cap trailer was really good!! Much better than the first trailer

[@makhina8839]

I prefer the Thunderbolts trailer because it makes no sense for Rulk to fight Captn Falcon. That being said, I also love Comics Taskmaster so I’m hoping they fix their Black Widow version. Either that or have Bob violently destroy them

[@johnmichael2692]

Let’s hope they eventually come to their senses and get creative again the right way and do a great job with all of its projects in the future and make the Mcu fun and entertaining again like it was before with great stories and characters of both genders being treated equally important to the stories in main leads

[@BlackThoughtTheOverLord]

Personally I thought both trailers were mid. I am obviously going to see both movies, I just want Marvel Studios to move away from the comedic side in the movies (having comic relief isn't a bad thing, but going over the top with it like Thor: Love & Thunder can kill the movie) and focus more on high steaks of each story. Bring back tension and have the occasional dread. So I am fairly optimistic (although learning about the poor test screening for a Brave New World does have worried) they are (very) slowly going back on track.

[@Nitedawg1]

Why should they change anything about their approach in either movie if you are just going to go see them both anyway?

[@BlackThoughtTheOverLord]

@Nitedawg1 Maybe I didn't totally articulate myself well. Why I was asking for change was in relation to the wider audience/normies. I have read Marvel & D.C comics for the best part 25 years, so I am going to watch comic book movies no matter what (I remember much of the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's there wasn't much a plethora of comicbook movies so when the boom started to take off I was excited and enthusiastic to see it). But the fact of the matter there has been drop off and people are getting tired of these films and I myself (whilst being a comicbook) can relate with some of the arguments. Like for me Thor: Love & Thunder and the depiction of Gorr The God Butcherer was a huge missed opportunity and didn't the character justice. And if you are even gonna nitpick or argue with me on that argument, I won't bother replying.

[@Nitedawg1]

@ in a lot of ways I think comic books have been amongst the best dramatic fiction America ever produced.

[@Nitedawg1]

@ I guess I am still confused though. Do you read every single marvel and dc comic that comes out? If not, why do you read some but not others?

[@BlackThoughtTheOverLord]

@Nitedawg1 Read Marvel & D.C comic books because A) the characters they created and B) because they are the biggest comicbook publishers out there (sure you have Dark Horse, Image, & Valiant). The reality is when you start getting into comics you are obviously going to start reading the two biggest publishers in comicbooks because they have the most recognisable characters (in England back in the '80's when I was young the T.V channels would show the 1960's Batman & Robin programme with Adam West as Bruce Wayne/Batman. I also remember watching a Spider-Man cartoon series that had Spider-Man, Ice Man and Firestar.

[@jiggyshark4511]

I think one of the biggest problems with the "James Gunn" comedy style is that people are trying to emulate him. The problem is theyre taking the wrong aspects of it, people see it as non-stop jokes and jabs and quips at each other when i dont think thats where James Gunn's biggest strength is. Where GotG really succeeded was in giving its 5 main characters distinct voices in the writing. Now, when looking at the Guardians, if you were to pull random lines of their dialogue, you could potentially know who is saying what just through the way they speak. Discounting Groot because he's obvious - Peter is often cocky, not the smartest but he has a big heart. He gets sincere dialogue but also tries to project an air of confidence and machismo. - Rocket is an aggressive character, often talks with spite and tends to lash out, he curses and yells much more than the others - Gamora, like Jester said, is the straightman of the group, always serious without much rook for joking, though occasionally might slip in a jab. She slowly grows more comfortable with the rest if the grouo but still retains a more reserved presence, never quite turning into a joker. - Drax is also extremely serious for the most part but his seriousness is dialled up to 11, serious to the point of comedy. his blunt, meat-headed nature is the source of his comedy. The problem I'm having with Thunderbolts and the past few comedic attempts is that if you took the jokes and dialogue from them, and gave it to other characters, it would often not feel even remotely out of place for them. But if you were to give Rocket a line of Gamora's dialogue or Peter a line of Drax's, you could easily tell it's not their normal way of speaking. It's prioritising jokes and quotable lines over actual character voices, and that's what my biggest issue with Marvel's humour is nowadays. They want to have lines that will be stuck in clips and compilations and reaction gifs, rather than have characters with individual personalities. James Gunn does James Gunn comedy well, hell he does Joss Whedon comedy better than Whedon, but a lot of people try to copy the jokes rather than the actual writing style

[@Norrbottning]

They're playing it “safe” with humor to their own detriment. Every ounce of drama from the past seems to have corroded. If they don't take their characters seriously, why would the audience

[@LoganTocker]

Get well soon Jester Bell ✊️

[@HollaBoyKay]

So humor is a problem but we’re talking about the universe with a man with spider powers, a walking-talking raccoon, a tree dude, a mythical god and the grimace with his happy meal glove, and only six chaos emeralds lol

[@DoubleO88]

All of that can be serious if you want it to be. If nothing matters in universe and it's all jokes, why should we care.

[@maximusprime3459]

Its Marvel's Thunderbolt Squad.

[@dionallen6842]

Get rid of the nanotech as well.

[@mememasterjames2070]

I gotta be honest. I’m just waiting for fantastic 4

[@mawsometall4692]

They should just drop the mcu concept entirely and make standalone movies and give characters a chance to breathe. Its not working, they need to return to basics and take risks

[@Mordeairayne]

Yelena's wolfcut is doing something to me

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

Also, another reason I think the connection to the characters might be more important than the humor itself is that good faith with the MCU isn't as high now as it was back in the peak of funny MCU. So people would be more receptive of humor back then because of that and also because one is generally more predisposed to receive it positively if it's from characters you already like. But if you're already more on the defensive or you don't have any pre-existing attachment to the character the humor is less likely to land. Not to mention if it's overdone very badly like in Thor 4 which basically ended Taika's future with the MCU basically. But again, the humor has been evident in the trailers and so far people doesn't seem to mind and we already know test screenings are leaning positive, so maybe, just maybe, it'll actually work out alright. Though knowing you, I could see not being to your liking even if it gets a pass overall 😅

[@ashleybanks-wm4cg]

I disagree with this take completely youre just parroting Marvel concerns from the past couple years These two new movies are going to definitely turn a lot around for Marvel it also sounds like youve never read a comic before but I understand now we have people who only understand the movies and arent looking for comic book excitement

[@GrahamCStrouse]

I’m actually looking forward to Thunderbolts. Didn’t expect I would but the cast is terrific, the D23 trailer looked was tight & the audience test screenings apparently went very well. As to the MCU’s over-reliance on quips & one-liners I think that’s an unfortunate holdover from Phase I which was dominated by RDJ’s Tony Stark. Having Joss Whedon direct the first Avengers movie was obviously a factor, too. Here’s the thing: Robert Downey, Jr. is very, very good at using humor to balance pathos. Florence Pugh, who looks like she’s going to be first among equals in Thunderbolts* is pretty good at that kind of humor, too. So is Joss Whedon. Or at least he used to be good at it. There are Marvel characters like Spider-Man & Deadpool who are famously quippy. The problem arises when you have writers who aren’t good at writing humor trying to shoehorn it in for characters who aren’t known for being funny and/or turning everything into inappropriate slapstick: Thor: Love and Thunder is one of the worst offenders from the last few years. I’m onboard with Thunderbolts* so far. I didn’t expect to be & it’s still possible that Marvel will find a way to screw it up. I’m less enthusiastic about the new Captain America, which, by the way, looks to be a pretty dour affair.

[@jakeel85]

Could not care less about either.

[@maximusprime3459]

Oooh, edgy.😐

[@AzayBae]

I'd like cap 4 without the hulk elements. First trailer felt like an action thriller set up like die hard but the cg action and stuff discouraged me. Thunderbolts has a lot of boring, lame checkbox characters and US Agent. I doubt Agent will be done as well as they accidentally made him in FatWS.

[@Lavon927]

Id say its more "Joss Whedon humor" which started in The Avengers, than "James Gunn humor". Ever since the 1st Guardians the MCU has tried to copy his humor without Gunn which hasnt worked. He knows how to balance his humor with the seriousness

[@bhanukawijeyaratne6243]

Correction its task mistress

[@battleaxe8252]

Marvel movies are bad standup comedy with action and cgi.

[@brjoser]

Thunder is going to be Marvel Suicide Squad so I suppose they’re really trying to imitate James Gunn Suicide movie.

[@daimonatkins3046]

Thunderbolts is trying to be like a Russo Brothers movie and that’s where I feel the comedy and visual style falls flats

[@banthatracks_gaffisticks]

I don't know what's going on.

[@beezysbeatz4924]

Nice, the lipstick coincidentally matches the back lighting😅

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

I think the problem with Sam as Cap is that they tried to explore what having a black Cap meant and tried to be serious about it but Sam just wasn't that guy before. And since Steve already was serious Cap, they might have benefited from Sam being a different type of Cap, less straight and serious. Kinda how each Green Lantern is different, or how Wally West isn't the same as Barry Allen.

[@willwidrick8039]

That is a good point! Perhaps if Disney had been more careful they would of realized this

[@VOLDGAMER1]

the cgi for brave new world looked rough in a bunch of shots, one shot i could tell was 100% green screen. the only good thing from this movie is a REAL hulk finally showing up again after 17 years straight and no that cameo in deadpool and wolverine doesn't count. thunderbolts is just suicide squad all over again, and they just brought back the worse version of taskmaster because apparently they think everybody loved that version. deadpool and wolverine is most likely my final marvel movie.

[@edgarmuniz8331]

People complained about DC being too serious. Now Marvel is too comedic. Alrighty then.

[@cahe6161]

Is it too much to ask for balance? Do people don't how to live outside extremes anymore?

[@bulletxwound3559]

There's a balance, it's not our fault the dip shits running the companies can't seem to underestimate that. Making superman the symbol of hope in the same tone as batman is beyond stupid. There's no reason serious characters like cap, hulk, or Thor should be cracking as many jokes or quips as Iron-man or Spider-Man.

[@Spider_Gwen3]

Well , this wasn't the case during phase 1 to 4 dude. Go rewatch those movies. They're all well balanced

[@cahe6161]

@@Spider_Gwen3 Even movies like Batman Begins have humor, the difference is it's well implemented, it blends itself seamlessly with the rest of the movie, and it's not humor that treats you like you're stupid.

[@indoorplant2392]

And both flop.... maybe audiences have a point

[@TimothyMorigeau]

Agreed!!!!! Agatha all along had humor but it’s not the tired James Gunn “humor” if you can even call it that. James Gunn’s humor nearly ruined the third Guardians of the Galaxy for me but luckily it still had a good heart felt plot.

[@hb2057]

James Gunn’s character writing umbrella is the only thing keeping this genre from incinerating into a charred crisp - the dialogue pieces in Peacemaker alone has brought more entertainment than the full slate of marvel projects for the past half decade, sooooo yeahhhh, hard disagree on not liking his style-you just don’t like the dollar tree version of it that is proliferating the space

[@kqriousgeorge1]

Everything turning into a joke is why people don’t take the MCU seriously anymore

[@M567dk]

I have to agree with you on this one as I have my doubts about the Thunderbolts* movie being successful in theaters. I think with a proper working plot that Captain America Brave New World could be a great movie to see.

[@skepticalsmurf]

JB,feel better,neither of the aforementioned seems appealing to me but l will take your recommendation and see Wild Robot Tuesday 😉