Masser, Secunda, and their perfect lunar calendar - Elder Scrolls: Leftover Lore

[@Jishy2415]

When the world needed him most he returned

[@Merlin_Ambrosius_1100]

can you do a video on nordic burial practices, the underground cities, and how it can be prepared to real world history. I've always been confused because they say that a lot of the ruins were cities, but there are no signs of "living" above or below them, except for labyrinthian's above ground expanse.

[@LeftoverPat]

That could be a VERY interesting topic

[@novaterra973]

Perhaps the habitation areas were torn down for stones and other resources? Holdings of Jarl Gjalund lists Labyrinthian as a source of lumber and stone, which I interpreted as the ruin being used as a quarry. This is something that historically happened with ancient ruins - the Pyramids, Roman buildings and roads, etc.

[@irgendwer3610]

he would become the Tarnished Archeologist of Elder Scrolls

[@Porelorexeus]

The way the sun shines on them indicates that it's very close to them! The light given real life distances would would make phases parallel to each other, but in game crescent phases can be at angles to each other.

[@LeftoverPat]

Making me wish I included this in the vid!

[@eyesack6845]

Actually thats not the sun shining on them. I believe that they produce their own light, and no light actually reflects off of them because they don't actually exist. They are simply optical illusions caused by our limited mortal brains trying to comprehend their infinite size. That's also why their gravity doesn't affect anything. They have no gravity because they don't exist.

[@LeftoverPat]

The furstocks that would appear according to the ingame phases @ 11:35 are: - Senche - Senche-raht - Cathay - Cathay-raht - Suthay - Suthay-raht - Dagi - Dagi-raht Planned or coincidence? Don't think about it too hard 😂 Thanks for enjoying the video!

[@seanrobey8335]

Love how u included don't think about it too hard cause u know people just will😂😂

[@auru1325]

I would love a deeper dive into eso lunar lore

[@caligulawellington3171]

Werewolf: "Ok, I'll just makes sure to get locked up for a few days when full moon approaches." Masser and Secunda: *grins "Say no more!"

[@Medicesca]

I honestly don't know of any other game that has in depth constellation and lunar mechanics like TES series, and the little details that go into this makes me appreciate game design more. Thanks for the video, and I'm looking forward to future uploads!

[@LeftoverPat]

This is a really nice comment. I totally agree looking at these details give you this hyper awareness of simple things in the games. Thanks for enjoying & wanting to stick around!

[@DiveTheseClips]

The only other game I can think of is Arma, but it's very different and it's there for a completely different purpose

[@cindypurina2327]

I'm indeed a khajiit nut, and greatly appreciate this.

[@ValuelessPond22]

Great as always! Your voice is really great for narration, your script flows really well, editing is top notch, audio is great, research is THOROUGH, I mean geez. All your videos are fantastic. Can’t wait for more!

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you so much! :)

[@2dollarchickenwings689]

Never leave, LeftoverPat. It started with seeking isnight into the Argonian physique, but now I am addicted. I need you to keep on the stream of Elder Scrolls lore.

[@preettygoood7774]

so many different youtubers are using majora's mask music all of a sudden and i'm all for it

[@itsstillpasta]

Can you imagine if Bethesda made the Lunar Lattice and moon phases more prevalent in TES:6?

[@Corramel]

Hey, good news! There was a mod released on Nexus that fixes the save loading issue with the moons, as well as made the cycles a bit more consistent with the lore (Masser is 24 days, Secunda is 20 days). It's called Moons and Stars - Sky Overhaul SKSE

[@LeftoverPat]

That is awesome! Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

[@good_snacks]

Immediately liked the video for the inclusion of Majora's Mask music.

[@LeftoverPat]

Yessssss

[@skoomad]

Why argonian with monocle, when khajiit with a fancy hat?

[@dreamingsophie5792]

Now, fancy hat for a khajiit, are we talking classic top hat or something more like a giant turban?

[@the1pump1der25]

@@dreamingsophie5792 colovian fur

[@LeftoverPat]

don't give me any ideas 😂

[@hipsnowsis7374]

4:24 you use the wording "strange angles" and I can't help but be reminded that that is the exact wording that the lore uses to describe the yokudan men and elves' way of going between two kalpas ("moving at strange angles"). its probably nothing but perhaps this could lead to an interpretation of that line relating to the moons

[@cowboycave5071]

SO STOKED FOR THIS!!

[@asherfitzgerald6036]

Love the intro your videos make me chim

[@LeftoverPat]

LOL

[@Endrance88]

I love ESO. Please do ESO videos. Talk about the wilderqueen, the vestige, the evolution of harkons Castle, speculation on the Harrow storms, lydia titanborn. The elswyr dragons, wtf is rivenspire up to, wtf are Sloads, some of the dungeons and how they connect to lore in later games.

[@LeftoverPat]

great suggestions

[@Endrance88]

@@LeftoverPat ty! Also for creation stuff: what is Godhead, the fact that technology goes backward, the tribunal, what exactly does hermaeas Mora know and is his knowledge meta? Who chimmed? Who no ____(I forgot the name for the opposite of chimming)

[@LeftoverPat]

@@Endrance88 I wonder if there are some interesting comparisons to ancient Egypt / Babylon on the technology there. I would love to do more on Godhead/Tribunal/Chim in general if i can think of a way to put my own spin on it

[@Endrance88]

@@LeftoverPat whatever you can do. I would love to hear about it

[@SunsetRadi0]

You know what would be cool? A video about the gods of each province and how they relate to real world gods Plus you can mention the khajiit gods and their different names, that's a cute detail Love your stuff 🖤

[@LeftoverPat]

Great suggestions!

[@skylarcox8067]

I appreciate what you did with the observatory theme from majoras mask in the intro, a very subtle, nerdy, and thematically appropriate reference.

[@tristanmitchell1242]

Honestly, if I ever write an "Isekai with a cheat power" story set in TES, it is going to be a kitty with the power to shift furstocks at will. That would be a really cool power, perhaps a blessing from Azura given that she created the cat-like beast race from the prot-wood elves.

[@LeftoverPat]

That would be a crazy cool ability. If khajiit were dragonborn and could invent shouts, would this be one?

[@Nyo_Fight]

I love the opening.

[@jasser6470]

I guess you just made a new idea for a mod its to have the same moon position for every save when loading them lol also thanks for the great video

[@angrybajur]

Thanks for this. I'm running an Elder Scrolls tabletop game for some friends and that lunar calendar is extremely helpful for keeping track of when the moons are full, something I need to keep track of since the party includes a werebear.

[@ericstone4444]

Please make an extended ESO moon video, I am begging

[@danbrown3325]

When the time is right, make more videos. When you do, I'll be there to watch them

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you king

[@modelnanpresident]

Amazing video. I always love to stare at the moons during travelling the roads in Oblivion.

[@alxdliz]

thanks for the lunar calendar, I'm going to use it in my homebrew Skyrim RPG , our khajit will be excited

[@xDrUmSt1X]

so glad to see you're back on track, looking forward to the new season

[@eetu4578]

This may be the best TES channel. Insane content as always. Great to have you back!

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you!

[@wrongbeefboy7928]

i been waiting for you to upload more elder scrolls videos, and my wait was justified.

[@dennerys_targaryen]

I'll never forget the first time I've played skyrim (7 years ago) and saw the two moons at night most game only have one moon but when I saw that skyrim had two I was so puzzled and really felt like I was in a different world than me own, love this franchise to death

[@HemmiHedman]

Really going in depth here. Interesting video.

[@cowboycave5071]

So good! Great to see your face at the end with the update.

[@jacob_and_william]

Your channel is my EVERYTHING

[@nanexists]

I love ESO! And I would love a video more in depth on the moons in ESO!

[@arcticdino1650]

I love looking at the night sky in video games. One of my favorite things is the disappearing star in Majora's Mask

[@ashwinnmyburgh9364]

This is fast becoming one of my favorite channels on Elder. Scrolls and other such things

[@LeftoverPat]

Love to hear that, thank you

[@Shadelovesyou]

He returns! Best of luck with everything!

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you! Looking forward to it

[@aloysiuslchomas]

Been looking forward to this, good stuff

[@emerose7371]

Ok you deserve a million subscribers simply for using the flower cat meme. Also I would love to see you do a deep dive into Clan Mothers.

[@ionceateapinecone]

regarding the moons, why doesn't Nirn have a tidal system? Like I understand from a gameplay design perspective that tides would be a lot for the engine to handle, but the lore implication is that the two moons have no effect on the the oceans are interesting.

[@LeftoverPat]

yeah ima call it an engine decision. there was a rumor ESO had it but it's either a dead feature or a myth

[@josephmaller592]

Great video for Nirn's moons.

[@darionlevanowitz6736]

We should talk about the third moon

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you! Does the third moon even go to this school?

[@darionlevanowitz6736]

@@LeftoverPat if it doesn't it should.

[@travus111]

This was well worth the wait, keep it up

[@LeftoverPat]

Why thank you :)

[@MZZenyl]

Great video as always, keep up the good job!

[@SalamanderPreston]

Man I love watching lore videos on games like Skyrim and the Elder Scrolls franchise in general. To me, it feels like we discovered a portal in real life that leads to this alternative universe and now we are studying this foreign world from afar, with the help of the games. It's a weird thought but it's what makes learning the lore of a game so magical to me.

[@rulxutty8955]

love the elderscrolls content!!!

[@sam_wilds]

Glad to see you were able to make at least one more video. I love exploring the unappreciated estuaries of worldbuilding vast worlds. Can't wait to see more

[@KB-mt7kt]

Thank you so much for going all the way to get an accurate answer. That fascination and willingness is what makes your channel great. Could you discuss what steps need to be taken to make games like Elder Scrolls and other open world fantasy games become more like free flowing, all systems interact and create unexpected, new events and outcomes, depending on the players and fully independent AI's choices, the ambition of open world fantasy games, but not yet realized, computing power and buget constraints, at least not yet anyway. Again thank you for your work and curiosity. I loved the video about determining real world influences on Tamriels cultures.

[@familiarisfelinus4087]

I love these videos, all the best!!

[@Seshirukun]

This is so in depth! 🤩

[@TheVioletBunny]

I like how your avatar is a argonian because your voice reminds me of their voices in Skyrim and I mean this as the biggest compliment. Great video and I appreciate the shout out to eso and that it brings so much to the table.

[@LeftoverPat]

I appreciate this comment

[@floresturatti]

Amazing video! I'm really excited for the next one, love your content

[@mwax3124]

Bravo! Another excellent video. I’m so glad to see one of your videos in my feed again, they’re so well researched, just a blast to watch. Keep up the good work.

[@samuelbousfield4342]

I really wish we could have the option of playing the other humanoid forms of khajjit in an elder scrolls game.

[@gii_gio]

Love your videos, they are so well done 🥰

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you so much :)

[@scottimusmaximus4360]

I don't mean for this to sound too cliche or anything, but this is definitely one the best channels I've ever subscribed to. I found it when I came across the Bravil unemployment video when scrolling through random elder scroll content creators and I've got to say, each video has been pleasantly informative and enjoyable. You seem like a really cool dude and someone who's more than deserving of whatever profit and fame you can get from these vids and the work you do in the ES community. More people should be subbed to you. All the power to you.

[@LeftoverPat]

What a nice comment, thank you!

[@renaigh]

Secunda is related to the Quantum Moon from Outer Wilds, hence why it repositions itself every reload.

[@nintindofandarklink]

Glad you're back!

[@gabrielgrimes8297]

This video is gold

[@RustedBuddy5192]

As always you dont cease to amaze. Im glad I subbed.

[@LeftoverPat]

Lovely compliment, thank you

[@RustedBuddy5192]

@@LeftoverPat Nah man You deserve it.

[@maxr848]

Love the videos, plus the cat bro.

[@LeftoverPat]

🐱

[@kuutearica8722]

I don't know that I like listening to lore. Thanks for the video!

[@TheGSone]

The Elder Scrolls Legends is my favourite source for art. I have stolen those assets numerous times. It's also the best card game I've ever played, still salty with its death

[@LeftoverPat]

Agree! Not sure how popular it still is, but I'm able to find quick matchups any night I play (just played last night!)

[@AriaLunaCampbell]

On the one hand, this is all really cool and I honestly love it. On the other hand my worldbuilder brain feels like all this moon phase weirdness, excluding the save game loading weirdness, makes absolutely no sense in relation to how such a double moon system should work in terms of orbital characteristics. It's cool that, excluding that save game weirdness again, there's a clear pattern that repeats over time but it seems completely disconnected from the actual pattern you'd expect to see from two bodies orbiting a central object. I'm trying not to just veer off into info-dump mode and just completely bloat this comment into an entire essay but it's definitely nagging at me and it's hard to not think about. I suppose if anyone's interested I might go ahead and do that but, for now, I'll just end off here and save everyone else the time. Edit: Okay, so, I hadn't fully watched the last section of this video when I typed this so I'm happy to see the Lunar Lattice section not only covers the phases we should see from a lore perspective but also links to some resources of people who did the work figuring out orbits and such that'd accurately model the movement of the moons such that it makes some sense and fits lore. I probably should have waited for the video to end before writing but, tbh, the video was so close to being over I didn't expect to see anything like that come up. I appreciate it nonetheless though.

[@equilibrium138]

I am a eso fan and i'm waiting for eso lore vid * *pounding bones sounds* * xd

[@dinoseen3226]

I want to hear about the tides and werewolf vampires!

[@jaceburris2534]

Such a good channel

[@preettygoood7774]

i'd watch an eso lore video even though i skip all the dialogue in the game

[@lynn6760]

fantastic video.

[@renaigh]

Our own moon is often slower than the night/day cycle.

[@jasonyoung2160]

mmmm yes explaining fantasy lore with real science is all I ever wanted

[@vespertide7311]

God I love this channel

[@assassin8689]

I'm just waiting till gopher appears

[@wardogies]

You do a compare video of the moons vs our moon and moons of Mars too

[@sixtyminuteman2152]

Awesome job

[@LeftoverPat]

Thank you 60 Minute Man

[@sixtyminuteman2152]

@@LeftoverPat no problem are you gonna do more skyrim les mis work because I really liked that concept

[@TheMonyarm]

The calendar would be useful for a Pathfinder/D&D Elder Scrolls campaign.

[@phillipjenkins8089]

Doesn't secunda orbit masser? I swear its typically depicted as being closer to nirn (in front of masser) most times but certain charts have it after masser. And visualizing it as a solar system kind of goes against this line in cosmology regarding moon phases: "Mortals perceive this as the moons being spheres with patches of their 'surfaces' completely eaten away; as the moons spin, they seem to become slivers or ragged crescents. These are not caused by shadows, because you can see stars through the black patches of the lunar spheres."

[@LeftoverPat]

It's supposed to!

[@RonLaws]

Meee i want to see a bigger lunar project for ESO!

[@corripiocruo]

speaking of the moons, can you do a video introducing the lunar colonies and the various methods by which some of the races have traveled there? hardly anyone brings up Reman's moth ships, which deeply saddens me.

[@RyuuTadashi]

Eso fan here, yes please

[@jal1017]

Yes but we still need Argonian Boobs 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@erosrangel976]

*Electric Boobaloo

[@MasterTurner969]

Amazing

[@CommissarMitch]

By the moons!

[@ne3333t]

I got really interested in TES moon lore when this vid came out lol

[@rigs9801]

I wonder if it's possible to edit the moon positions - would it be possible for a mod to fix the moons so that they follow the calendar as it begins from game start?

[@Argornash]

Oh hai dere Pat

[@lizxfun]

yay!

[@luciusdraculea1452]

Honestly, if there's any info out there on how to make a Skyrim natal star chart (as seen in some locations), I would really appreciate it. Apparently the constellations are like our real-world zodiacs and honestly, it'd be nice to work that into some character background lore. lol The only info source I found thus far on the subject: en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Astronomy

[@LeftoverPat]

I'd check out my constellations video and see if that helps answer it!

[@luciusdraculea1452]

@@LeftoverPat Just took a look, it does help a tad bit! Seems the stars follow the Sun's rotation axis... but if we go by traditional methods we use on Earth, maaaaaaaaaybe we can calculate moon signs based on the phase of the moon and the Sun's current sign?

[@deadknight1402]

Could it be possible that that third moon that appears in Arena is actually the 3rd moon that appears for Mane births?

[@LeftoverPat]

Great observation! I considered making a conclusion about that... but then... in Arena, each of them appear basically every day

[@obsessivelyobsessed5263]

why do I feel the urge to fix the reload issue and make it a mod.... I can't even MAKE mods.... but it is for some reason burning inside me to make the moon cycles adhere to the scientific method....

[@LeftoverPat]

This is an important reason to learn to mod

[@Potato-pn8sg]

Wait, is the music from Majora's Mask? I think it might be from the Fairy Springs.

[@TheStarcoMarco]

They still used some 9th Century technologies in TES V: Skyrim. But if Elder Scrolls Universe decided not to use the Era Calendar systems like 1st era, 2nd era, 3rd era, 4th era, etc. The year for TES V: Skyrim would probably set in the year 4650. This meant the Elder Scrolls Universe are already 2 Millennia, 26 centuries ahead from us. So I guess, we should time travel to the 1st era. Maybe 1E 2021? However, we don't know what happened in the 1E 2021 as after 1E 1427, it just skipped to 23rd Century in the year 1E 2200. Or the last year of 22nd Century in the 1st Era.

[@7bladesky890]

youre amazing

[@-gemberkoekje-5547]

Would be cool if elder scrolls 7 would be about stopping the moons from crashing into Nirn

[@user-ev8lv7ot1x]

Watch the sky

[@theonlybilge]

How about the fact that the empty sections of the moons don't block out the stars at all?

[@mrgeets9280]

So according to the in-game moon phases what furstock would a khajiit player be according to the lore in each game?

[@bare_hollowness]

Nice

[@user-bs2vb2sr5w]

Yay