Massive change to Magic, Endless Spells and Faction Terran in Age of Sigmar 4

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[@ghostwaterminiatures302]

Your videos make this game better.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Thats means a lot thanks

[@jameselrick5759]

I concur, Rob for the professional informed community focused content, HeyWoah for the philosophical American ponderings. Keep up the good work Rob!

[@khromas5392]

Hard agree!

[@briochepanda]

Oh snap. It's that Rob chappie from JUGGZ: The Podcast. Seems he's escaped the goblin packing dungeon again.

[@hugheja89]

Begun, the terrain wars have

[@TobyGilham]

Wow free spells will be super easy to balance....

[@40KWill]

I see the balance incoming

[@user-nk9ig5wt2c]

Yah playing things for free what can go wrong

[@40KWill]

@@user-nk9ig5wt2c worked so well in AoS 1

[@tomkelly2363]

“Rare as rocking horse shit” 😂😂 thanks for telling me how to feel Rob keep up the good work ❤

[@willd5328]

Can we call the faction manifestation lores, manifestos?

[@Jackgreengrass]

Hey. Just wanted to let you know that after recently deciding to get back into Warhammer. It was your videos that tipped me to playing AOS over 40k. On my way to get my STD army ready in time for 4th edition! Im sure there are many others like me that you've inspired to get back into the hobby. Thank you for being such an awesome ambassador to the game.

[@gregoryseraphin1426]

Heads up I think STD is going away within about a year! Maybe pivot to darkoath or something if getting back in!

[@Jackgreengrass]

@@gregoryseraphin1426 even with the new Abraxia model coming out? I've bought the Eternus box, and the release box with the demon prince, chosen and theridons. I was going to add the Abraxia box, and then see what I liked playing with and pivot towards that. As much as I love the new Darkoath stuff, it's just too much to paint up and I don't want to play a horde army.

[@GrayFirion]

@@gregoryseraphin1426 Slaves to Darkness isn't going away. Beasts of Chaos is, to Old World. Even in the future, there's 0 chance Slaves to Darkness is discontinued. They're the poster villains of the entire setting.

[@yourgoodliness]

S2D, Warriors of Chaos, are the single most iconic faction in GW's fantasy worlds. They are the Big Bad™️. They're as safe as treasury bonds, don't worry. Some models might get refreshed or canceled, but the Everchosen's conquest never ends.

[@Jackgreengrass]

Thanks all for your insight.

[@mawgusthedog5147]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, Endless Spells will almost be mandatory now, or else you'll be at a disadvantage against your opponent. Making them such a big part of battles is big big negative in my opinion. First thing I've read about about 4.0 changes that I haven't liked.

[@theDackjanielz]

Agreed, being forced to do this is a real silly move on their part. Sylvaneth players have been forced to take trees for years and have hated it, making it universally for everyone is daft!

[@JimCrimmins]

Being modular, you could agree with your opponent to just not use em..

[@leovaeg]

@@JimCrimmins they are part of the MAGIC module, meaning its either All or Nothing in that regard - but casually yes, you can just say "no endless spells"

[@cjtacanada4014]

Thanks Rob, love this channel and Juggz, both great to listen too. I am one of those that these videos are geared towards, because I started to collect and paint about a year ago, but never played. I am pretty intimidated to be "that guy who knows nothing about playing", hence I just collected and painted. These videos will let me catch up to other (not equal of course), this will help me know some things before starting to play an easier to learn version. As a new future new player, AoS 3.0 was super hard to understand, even though I read the core rules, just to massive to understand and intimidating. Anyways, keep up the great work, I will be here watching a learning until release. Cheers!

[@carebear224]

Don't be afraid to be that guy, everyone loves new players.

[@raigomander2817]

Yeah, don't you worry about not knowing the game, everybody has been there, and they will understand. I, for one, certainly don't mind teaching new players, as long as the show actual interest in learning. With the new edition, it's a great opportuinity to show up at your local store/club an be like "I want to warhammer, help me warhammer"

[@reschke5]

I hate how they did not get rid of the krondspine

[@tesina21]

You didn't talk about the Wyldwoods and the huge impact this has on Sylvaneth!

[@Deathaven]

Finally my orcs can go and punch a bridge to death.

[@thomasthorpe7286]

Why didn't they save the Beasts of Chaos endless spells by re-purposing them as a "Ghur Manifestations" generic lore? Those models were really cool.

[@Knipey044]

i suspect they will end up as a Darkoath manifestation lore. The Herdstone is already in Darkoath Warhammer+ shows and the reveal trailer.

[@Nekorook]

I like the idea of making the endless spells and terrain into units that can be attacked away.

[@ce4879]

Haha, I hope AoS4 is Krondspine’s redemption arc. 😄 Honestly I think it’s a really cool idea especially when painted as Liquid Metal(under a Chamon force like kharadron) or living Jade for Sylvaneth. But yeah, love these changes making the battlefield come more alive!(so we can beat the tar out of it!) Also happy the Silver Swords got better connected to Quest for Ghal Maraz’s city of Elixia & Silver Banshee. It was fun reading that and knowing where the idea of sentient flying magic swords came from. Also hoping the Kharadron spell bottle comes back with some neat rules now. Would be awesome if they use it to suck up a Living Spell they can either fire it back or sell it back for more CP. 😁

[@Kollider115]

As an avid AoS player, i really hope that manifestation lores arnt permanently stapled to armies. Like forgo a spell lore to take them or such, simply because not only is it bolt on stuff to have armies buy in order to bring up their strength, i believe that this is really forcing wizards to see play as you cannot access your free endless spell manifestations with out a wizard anyway

[@oleww50]

I’ve started not reading the articles because I prefer to have Rob to read, teach and entertain me while learning what was in it. So much better! Thanks again for another great video. ❤

[@TheNerindil]

This feels like when they did away with the weird vehicle damage subsystem in 40k back in the day. Making everything in a game operate on the same base system is just a good idea. Stuff on the table now just behaves the same.

[@panimauser970]

I love it. I love the models for manifestations(and have them all), and being able to use them without worrying about points makes me glad. Non-wizard units being able to fight them is also great and fun.

[@danielwarren4382]

I suspect the new Ravening Gnarloak they showed off a while back will be one of the moving terrain pieces.

[@9estebansantos]

I am clearly in the vocal minority. I bought the malign sorcery boxes years ago. I play tzeentch. I like the endless spells and krondspine changes. I like that they are free. I am excited to see the list building

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

"Its not just a boulder, its a rock"

[@BloodKraven]

The co host of Juggz explaining endless spells nice. Also them being free is wild

[@salv.6948]

Fingers crossed I can get angry Covid-Trees for my Maggotkin to not only be summonable like Sylvaneth trees but for them to be angry and attack??? LFG

[@gregoryseraphin1426]

Palisade DOES block movement if you place it diagonally across a gap, if the unit can’t end entirely on the other side, it can’t move. The 1/2” coherency is gonna make it hard to fit if the player smartly blocks with the palisade

[@thomasthorpe7286]

This is pretty much giving summoning to every army, I suppose that's one way to balance it :P

[@niallrichardcurran2466]

I was thinking.. and I wont be surprised,. if the starter set due out this year, or the boxset they will likely release AFTER the initital release (like the ultimate starter set for 40k) will have some of these features like some endless spells.. or perhaps there is a refresh due of endless spells too!!!!

[@adamredmond3136]

Thanks for another stellar video Rob 😆 Like most of the changes, tho physically attacking a spell that now has hitpoints, lol. Doesn't that defeat the object of it being magic & ethereal! Seems weirdly illogical, but maybe it's just me!

[@gregoryseraphin1426]

Generic terrain like a rampart would be so fun. It could even be made with 4 parts, a front, sides, and back. Lots of fun design space there

[@cooljoe500]

currently, a lot of endless spells are available here in europe.

[@antonbrunberg3045]

You know what the Fyreslayers should have as a manifestation? JUGGZ!

[@hickdead6188]

The Shards of Valagharr sounds like something you should bellow at the skies, when you have a particularly nasty bout of gout

[@ratadron]

i get all my AoS info from rob! cant wait to see the rules for wild woods when GW reveals them

[@joeharrington7170]

Only been playing AoS for a year or so and never got into endless spells as a Kruleboyz player. Think this will be a fun addition to their playstyle.

[@alBoomer19]

I wait for your videos every day

[@VeritasTemplar860]

I predict cog forts smacking faces and a KO flying gas station coming in the future!

[@ce4879]

Right? Terrain feels set-up now for new Ironweld & Kharadron engineering goodies! ⚙️

[@SpooKimi]

i like endless spells costing points as they were handy point fillers

[@Nephilimi9]

I'm a fan of pretty much all of the Aos 4 rules so far... but this has me terrified. I cannot fathom how this could possibly be balanced. Won't this mean that every army needs at least three wizards to maximize the potential of free endless spells?

[@raksohh]

The post only mentions we'll be able to choose a manifestation lore, It doesn't specify it will be free... hope there will be some point cost associated for competitive list building.

[@jflip252]

Juggz crew represent 🏺

[@lordcastellan4735]

I don't know how I feel about this change.

[@spiritofgroot1999]

You didn’t mention healing our woods Rob!

[@Surveillance_birb]

Free endless spells, that means GW will finally keep them in stock, right? Right?

[@JackieChan1199]

Booooo (Krondspine) Yaaaaaay (Rob's mullet)

[@mogwaiman6048]

At least the Krondspine will have health now.

[@steverandall8163]

More things to buy

[@kylevaldez4793]

I understand your concerns about manifestations becoming both a barrier of entry and harder to balance since they are free. Before this video, I was under the impression that you had to pick a manifestation lore instead of a different lore for your spells. Can you point me to where it was said that you get both a lore and a manifestation lore?

[@Centurion_of_Terra]

As a cities of sigmar player you mentioned I won't have faction specific spells, if I was to go out looking for some what should I pick up?

[@Pootleflump]

Any more stats center to come for 3rd or are you done until 4th?

[@Malisteen]

Huh. neat. I kind of like this.

[@JimCrimmins]

I'm just here to listen to Rob say SHARDS OF VALAGHAAAR... repeatedly

[@Fotta1989]

If the normal endless spells can be killed with normal damage/health interactions, we can hope for the same for the Krondspine.

[@CatharsisChaser]

You’ll definitely be able to kill it but it’s probably gonna be ~12 wounds with a 4-5+ so not free at all… and they could just resummon it Banishing is probably the most effective counter so me thinks tons of wizards is gonna be the theme for 4.0

[@FlipityGibett]

From a ludo-narrative perspective this is sick because if this power existed then every army that could would use these.

[@johnraines7672]

So did they not mention exactly how the manifestations are summoned? They have a banishment value, but not a casting value. So can you just toss them out for free without making any type of roll, does it cost you one of your casts, etc.? I assume the rules of one active manifestation per wizard and no summoning two of the same spell on the board at the same time in subsequent turns are still a thing, but they did not mention that either. That's another question: Since they are free, are they going to be one time use only per battle? Like once its killed or banished, you're done with that spell for the game. Lastly, there are no ranges listed, but stuff like the soul scream bridge would need to be able to set up at a certain distance, I assume there will be a set range on most of these, probably 9 or 12 from the caster like you said, with a few warscroll specific exemptions. Such short ranges combined with the inability to move on the turn they are summoned would seem to limit the usefulness of some of these spells. But that's why they are free I suppose.

[@KaelBanner]

I mean there's no such thing as a free lunch. Won't this just affect the points of the wizards that cast these spells?

[@user-nk9ig5wt2c]

Immagine have your moonshrine that is just a big stone sculpted moon over a cave shoot out the table by lumineth arrow or by skink with blow pipe... Sound prettier bad

[@StriderofDoom]

Could it possible wizards will cost more points to be able to cast / use more manifestations, or perhaps manifestations that aren't "native" to their own lore? Is that a possiböe wau to balance them if they don't cost points?

[@halooverlord9995]

I really hope the sylvaneth woods get to attack, like Fangorn Forest in Lord of the Rings 16:52

[@hobbithubby5076]

Magic is shaping up to be an even bigger part of 4.0 vs previous editions. Gonna be hell to balance. Spell Dom armies might end up being super OP at the beginning.

[@Golfbaka]

Do we know anything more about the launch date?

[@Jasirru]

Yo what the hell Rob you didn't even look at or mention anything about the changes to Wyldwoods? This is going to be massive for Sylvaneth, please let's hear your take on the changes!

[@minacapella8319]

So did i miss it or did this mention if you can re-summon endless manifestations if they get banished/destroyed

[@Rhuiner]

The only downside seems like the board will be or can be clogged more with all the extra stuff, but over all sounds great!

[@Malisteen]

Krondspine looks fine in a different paint scheme, and now that it'll work more like a normal unit - ie you can either banish it or just kill it - means it'll probably be more reasonable in game.

[@Bearcaved]

What’s the equivalent of slapchop for beard maintenance?

[@Eternal5602]

Overall I’m enjoying the rules for the new edition, my only concern with the faction terrain rules are for Skaven players, unless they give us a way to replace broken ones we are going to have to deploy them so defensively that they might be hard to use tactically like they have been in the past.

[@TrebleAmp]

Looking at getting my army done.. now I have to buy a (in my opinion) a dull bit of terrain and dull bit of spells. It’s another barrier for entry I feel. Also endless spells just sound like an annoying speedhump that’s just adding complications to the game.

[@l337haxz0rn00b]

I don't think 'free' limits design. The points are just hidden in other costs. You could make the loon shrine objectively better than a magmaforge, it doesn't matter if the terrain is unbalanced if the factions are. In that hypothetical, I would expect a dwarf to have better warscroll and point efficiency than a goblin, but that the inclusion of the loonshrine being more impact fully than a magmaforge bringing these to roughly equal.

[@tahorn938]

This is probably one of the first updates for new AoS that I’m not a fan of. It seems kind of half baked and like they’re just pushing people to buy endless spells and terrain. I say this loosely but “forcing” people to buy endless spells and terrain or be at an immediate disadvantage is lame. The board is going to be way more crowded now and it’s going to make games longer because we all are going to be engaging with spells and terrain every match. Plus moving terrain around the board is going to be a pain in the butt. Terrain pieces like the mawpit were not designed to be mobile in practice.

[@CrussaderGrarl]

are these spelles unique or can i summon them per sorc ?

[@mick339]

did i miss the part where they tell us how manifestations are manifested? Im seeing a banishment value but not how they enter play

[@CelebrintaR]

Realmshaper engine technically is a ship... Guess can move across the map

[@richardgutierrez2555]

Does anyone think that they will add existing terrain such as the Realmscape Cleansing Aqualith as a new faction terrain?

[@The_Rising_Ape]

I see Manifestation Lore boxes in our future, GW finds another way to resell older models, pretty savvy from a business point of view but not good for the consumers wallet. How much was Malign Sorcery... £35. Can you see them doing these Manifestation Lore boxes for less? Each.

[@capt.mannerings8095]

Feeling very unsure about this all. Some of these things seem much more about shifting product but then there is some really good changes. Net positive I guess.

[@joshuapoller4816]

Hi Rob, are you planning on doing any further aos 3 stats centre videos?

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Yes

[@MKDietz]

Just here to say Nagash did nothing wrong. All the rats' faults. If they hadn't interfered, we'd all been better off :P Great vid as always :)

[@leetaylor5470]

Nothing should be free i dont think, even stuuff that all armies have access to like the upcoming manifestations will ne better for some armies than others. Impossible to balance.

[@johanderyck6598]

Let me guess: they will rerelease the endless spell per set so you pay less if you need 1 set but double if you want them all. Love the new rules though.

[@gealgain2420]

Im curious how daemons and lizardmen will work with manifestations. Through the lore, they are manifestations themselves.

[@afterlifekid472]

As if GW gives a flying frick about the lore.

[@BajaBlastMTG]

I think krondspine is cool. 😔 I also haven't played but I'm building and painting, waiting to learn with 4th.

[@RealJahzir]

Yay for your videos Boo for the blob of plastic

[@cmleibenguth]

That terrain change may enable sieges? One can hope. As for endless spells with health... I guess GG for Doralia and Galen? That was their thing. Unless they can just one shot while everyone else does normal damage.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

I hope so, but who knows 😅

[@ce4879]

Spell Hunters like them will probably do extra damage or shut off the spell’s Wards so they’re easier to shut down. Ditto to Warmachine keyword & certain monsters and big blast warriors probably being better at smashing terrain.

[@collywwob]

Everything is free !!! (Hundreds of actual pounds)

[@gimbaIlocked]

Where does it mention that the manifestation lore is free or costs zero points? Wouldn’t be surprised that when you pick your wizard, that picking a spell lore would cost extra points?

[@Averagejoepainting]

Does this mean that endless spells can charge? (Edit: lol should have finished listening first)

[@brentlucas731]

Wizards point hike incoming.

[@lordcastellan4735]

Gnawholes will definitely have an attack characteristic. They already damage enemies

[@thesoothsayer9223]

Give the purple sun a purple nurple. Punch a krondspine right in rhe juggz. Im hype

[@CelebrintaR]

Krondspine will be free too?

[@CatharsisChaser]

From first glance it looks so… although it does take up your entire choice of manifestation lore This definitely looks like a potential pain point if balanced incorrectly

[@nigeltownley7472]

As a former beastmen player, the endless spells and terrain changes just make me even more mad lol. Besides a hero that's all we've gotten from this stupid game system 😂

[@edumh22]

Free krondspine sounds terrible either it it’s good and we always bring him or he is just not good and we never do

[@WindlordRyu]

This is why they hyperfocus on new players though, dozens of things to buy to even get the first 0 points of your army.

[@squidjuice666]

but.. I can't even buy half of these spells.. how about they make them properly available first!!

[@scottlee4566]

I can't see in the article where it states endless spells are free. It says they're grouped in unique spell lores sure; but that doesn't equate to not paying a points cost when you select them in your roster. they won't be free. it just wouldn't work.

[@Thiar13]

I was already very upset about that but good point. Lets hope they are not free!

[@augustocarnevale1900]

They will be free 100%

[@kravernar]

in todays article, they says that in addition to spell lores and prayers, you have to chose a manifestation lore too while building your list

[@deividgarmar]

comment!

[@lukevassh7740]

My $$s on the grot. ✊️

[@mjpegasus1079]

Please accept my solidarity boo

[@rotmirerob]

Turning in my boos and hisses for the free* krondspine. I hope it is significantly worse, like 70% worse.

[@rotmirerob]

The rest of this news I think is neat

[@Kilmiina]

Boo to Krondspine being in the game in 4th!