Massive PAY 2 WIN Change In The NEW SEASON!!! [AFK Journey]

[@VolkinAFKJourney]

Let me know any thoughts you guys have on the new Paragon stats

[@brettpeyton3586]

I have my main squad paragon as F2P.

[@someonesomewhere5325]

This will make sure a lot of people never touch pvp content again

[@xandercivinskas3884]

Considering I only use one Graveborn I really don't mind just makes dupe copies of S-level units (mainly thoran, and ludovic) better since I am limited on choices, I'll just have to be picky with who's best to commit paragon to

[@guntursaga8868]

This will getting worst for play to fun players

[@TungTran-qt1dw]

This huge gap in raw power is bound to happen sooner or later I think. As I think that PvP should not be too RNG like now. With this changes, it can be assumed that f2p and little spenders have no ways of winning against the whales in PvP no matter how lucky 🍀 they are, or how much RNG system favors them. The whales can rest assured that they’re untouchable. Their money well-spent to secure their thrones. However, this paragon change alone is understandably causing major shockwaves across the player base. To remedy this sudden shock, I think the devs should carefully adjust the district system. I mean they should re-group/ re-allocate players to their suitable districts and servers. A cross-server guild application system has not yet been introduced yet. I think the devs should be working on this. And give the players the freedom to relocate their account to the server which suited them the best. Between each season should have an open window period to allow people to make such massive exodus to where they think they truly belong. F2P moving to F2P servers and whales moving to whales servers. Of course there would be a limitation of how many accounts can make such big move. Like once the population cap of a server is reached, people can no longer opt to move their account to that server. And people who doesn’t pay attention to the open window period, or not care about moving at all at the end of a season will remain in their old servers. So in summary, Huge power gap is fine as long as it comes with the freedom of immigration 😅. So that no one is trapped in a P2W Hell! 🤣

[@DaddyDeGrand]

If we let the Developers get away with these garbage changes things will only get worse past this point.

[@CourtCjbLand]

News flash they will get away with it and it will only continue to get worse.

[@forbiddenaether1012]

@@CourtCjbLandthat attitude is exactly the reason they get away with it. Assuming that they just won’t do anything is a self fulfilling prophecy because you did nothing to make the change. If they start bleeding players in droves enough that it affects their bottom line then they’ll fix it. Otherwise if everyone just acts like submissive sheep and just takes the change then they’ll just continue with business as usual.

[@robertotrololo9997]

Should we boycott??? 🤔🤔

[@DaddyDeGrand]

@@robertotrololo9997 Yes.

[@gennarogenghi1984]

They gains already a lot ,why should they make this game more p2w? At this point afkj will have the same fate of dislyte i bet

[@jpindseth]

Used to be a dolphin, but will not spend a dime more in this game...

[@andres201292]

same

[@raylegend9935]

​@@andres201292 yep

[@neopayt]

Was planning to get the pre-order set but this just deterred me from doing so.

[@user-jg1et4vo2b]

F2ps are like jellyfish😂

[@raylegend9935]

@@user-jg1et4vo2b this hurts lowspenders, midspenders and whales too. I know alot of whales which dont go p4 on everything. ^^ it only caters to Leviathans

[@simchar4263]

I can't get mad at this because to me the game was already extremely pay to win; scamgazer, hypos and celestrials, I don't even have enough heroes high enough to unlock paragon as a feature and I have been playing since launch. This doesn't hurt free to play, as they were already hurt. This hurts dolphins and even whales who compete with krakens.

[@benjaminroe311ify]

Ding ding ding. Exactly correct.

[@Nyxakeyin]

Yeah the gap between f2p and everyone else was already huge. This is just designed to encourage people who already spend money to spend even more to keep up

[@benjaminroe311ify]

@@Nyxakeyin Yeah and really as an experienced gacha player that has paid WAY more for these games then I ever should have. (Although I have still been totally FTP in AFKJ) This kind of stuff makes me feel the opposite. Makes minnows and dolphins not want to spend anymore at all. At least that's my feeling. I now longer like to spend ANY money on Gacha's UNLESS that spending is going to make me somewhat competitive with the top 5% of players without spending more than 30 or so a month. So that means... I don't spend lol. Good rule I think. If people WANT to spend 100s or 1000s and CAN afford to. Sure everyone should have that choice, but if people are spending 100s or 1000s and can't afford to and even worse. It doesn't lead them to top places in the game then that's just dumb.

[@Nyxakeyin]

@@benjaminroe311ify oh yeah, I'm absolutely with you on that. Unfortunately they don't really care about people who don't spend as much, because in the end having a few people spend thousands more a month is probably more of a profit that a hundred people spending $30 a month. Doesn't really do much for the longevity of the game but they'll probably just scale it back when it gets bad, like how genshin went from limited 5*s being perfectly fine at c0 with c1 being the biggest boost, then changed it to needing c4/c6, and then ending up at c2 being the biggest boost.

[@dandan3045]

It's not all about you!

[@EXRDaBeasta]

So since paragon is so important, guess it would be better for people to skip rate up banners and just do normal summons to get their paragons up if they want any chance at all to compete in PvP. Which just deincentivizes people to spend for rate ups. Don't see any world where this change is good for them financially, nor for the playerbase because now whales will just be bored on their servers with no competition besides a few other whales.

[@someonesomewhere5325]

I play on one of the older servers and I have some P1s and P2s, used to be able to beat some higher paragon teams, doubt that's gonna be possible now

[@BoldWarrior-w2b]

I guess the honeymoon phase of the game is over...

[@Tona214]

It was over when seasons started

[@tukangmijon7172]

Thank you very much Volkin for speaking up about this huge issue you da goat fr For those of you guys that disagreeing because you have an argument about how unimportant F2P players are, you guys better rethink before submitting that post/reply. Because trust me, you guys will just be a laughing stock😂(that's like a bronze tier level argument) Also, for those who don’t care about PvP, if we let them be most likely someday those changes will affect PvE too.

[@Rhyff]

I really hope they tweak or revert these changes. I think the base stat increases are fine, but the extra stats in inspiration and intimidation are completely unnecessary/overtuned. Curious to see how, and if, they will change it before it hits the global servers.

[@tomekpiatek88]

Is Lilith so sure we are going to continue playing the game?

[@kaialsh4321]

They know they are losing the f2p players, so they are trying to convince the spenders to stay.

[@ppaulius95]

Already spent nearly 100 Eur on this game and don't plan to spend anymore. If the changes end up boosting whales to the point of me becoming demoralized and unmotivated, I'll just move on from this game. Pretty sure the other low-spenders/F2Ps would do the same. If Lilith are fine with even more players leaving, ultimately it's Lilith who will suffer.

[@BazsiHHH]

dolphin here if this goes through im done completely

[@andres201292]

I'm a dolphin and I've been playing since the game started, I'm only 17 units into paragon 1, I still can't go to paragon 2 and I'm sure it will take me months to get to paragon 2 because I stopped buying the monthlies, I've been able to beat some enemy comps with paragon 2, 3 and 4, it's hard but I've made it... now, this sucks, because if these changes come I won't be able to compete against the whales anymore, because I simply can't put 1000$ in this game, so yes, f2p and dolphins are going to get smashed, I don't plan to contribute or buy anything more in this game and I might stop playing because they have ruined something great that the game had, it was perfectly balanced for the whales to be strong but not too much, so you can sometimes defeat them, but now there is no way to compete, you put 1000$ or you stay out of the top 50, less prizes, less incentive to play, less players

[@MrPecman]

Thanks Volkin for making some noise with this awful situation. I really hope they revert those upcoming changes, they should introduce more progression systems if they want to keep whales motivated, changing the actual progression systems after 10 months should be illegal lol

[@kittyk9z132]

I'm a ftp whose relatively high on my server, but if this passes idk if I can really play anymore, obviously buffs for p2w players is understandable but with such high buffs, the game (or atleast the pvp aspects) will become FULLY p2w so ftp players such as myself will be unable to achieve things.

[@lostprophet8888]

Inspiration and Intimidation stacking would make sense as a design from the way they phrased it. But that wouldn't even be the biggest problem. The biggest problem is if individual heroes Inspiration and Intimidation values stack. Which would make sense as a design as well. So let's say you've got a full Paragon 2 team fighting against a full Supreme+ (or lower) team. 5 x 14 Inspiration + 5 x 14 Intimidation would at least be a 70% difference in healing etc. already, if not a 140% difference. This would be insane and faaar too strong! Why do I think there has to be a mechanic like this? Because you're not fighting 1 vs. 1 but 5 vs. 5 with mixed Ascensions. There has to be a way of adding or using the average of all heroes Inspiration and Intimidation stats per team. Because what would be the alternative? Combining a Supreme+, Paragon 1 and Paragon 2 hero and only the Paragon 2 hero's stats count for the whole team!? That wouldn't make sense.

[@Ausyooo]

My server just has 50-60 people playing. After this I can see even them leaving the game. Shit change.

[@WorldOFBlackub]

personally I am a p2-p4 range whale and i dont like those changes, i like when S+/p1 players try to rival me and i like fighting full p3-p4 players dispate the disadvantage. PvP is already in a point where sometimes u dont really have people to fight against as a whale and this will make it even bigger of a problem

[@SanityPotion776]

Change (referring to the Paragon stat increases + EX weapon stat increases) was one of the many reasons I’ll be dropping the game after this season. Widening the gap between F2P and P2W is NOT the way to retain players. It’s evident that player retention falls off incredibly hard and is a big problem towards the latter half of a season. My guild in S636 was #1 for two seasons and by the end of this season, the entire server was dead and it was impossible to get any new recruits to fill slots for players who left for similar reasons - this has gone on for over a month. (Can refer to the write up with the statistics done by Avatar from Analytica) Seems like they’re leaning even more heavily into monetizing their already expensive game. With the addition to heavily incentivizing Paragon levels to introducing gatcha cosmetics. It’s all getting a bit much. I myself am a “whale” at VIP 19 but unlike many other gatchas where you can “stop” spending after a certain point and still keep up/complete new content. AFKJ consistently demands you to pay to keep up and stay at the top. It’s an unending treadmill which was fun at first but has gotten stale as time went on.

[@genieglander4083]

As a mid level spender who pays to stay somewhat competitive, this seems like I’m being forced out of PVP viability. Also it’s annoying because I would have spent my resources differently this season if I knew they were going to do this and put everything into a few players rather than bringing my whole roster to S+. Now I have a choice to spend even more or give up spending as much since it won’t do any good anyway. I’m leaning towards not spending at much because what’s the point if strategy has nothing to do with the game anymore. It’s mostly the intimidation and inspiration stats that make me feel this way because they are massively OP.

[@WYang24]

This is pretty tiring, it feels like every season there's a new way they make the game more greedy.

[@RaskarKapaq]

The game was already very p2w. 3 Celepogean per season was bad but this change makes me worried. Is it a way to earn as much money as possible before moving on something else as the game is dying?

[@BSasafrasK]

As a mid spender I don't really see it as that big of an issue since I've only seen a max of like 5 or so P3 or 4 people in a district, and it's only gonna be supreme arena that gets effected. However once server merges start I see it potentially becoming an issue because then we'd be seeing more of those top spots in supreme arena getting taken and locked down. But these are pvp only stats. And I think it's probably the best way they could let their spenders know they care about their investment while still keeping the rest of the game as close to fair as it can be for f2p.

[@ESCAPETheGreatOutdoors]

This also affects every S+ vs. P1 comb at which almost every f2p is at this point. After the update it won’t be possible for S+ combs to beat even Paragon1. This will kill of everyone from f2p to midspender. And exactly this range of players (S+ to P1) is the current MAIN player base this game has on like 95% on all servers.

[@AlwaysAstral]

I'm surprised how few people are talking about why they even bothered to make these changes. Because giga whales in Supreme Arena were getting destroyed by people abusing the mauler tiles. They should have never given a single faction effectively two Reiner swaps guaranteed.

[@b.n.1127]

Thanks for another great video! I think the main issue lies with the inspiration and intimidation stats. Why not just remove those? Increasing the already existing rivalry stats seems fair to me because, at the moment, you don’t gain much extra for reaching p3 and p4, even though it’s a significant investment to get there. Additionally, they’re already planning to increase stats for +16 to +25 exclusive equipment, which is clearly a whale-oriented upgrade. Dropping the inspiration and intimidation stats would make things feel much more acceptable, in my opinion. After all, where’s the fun in PvP if you can simply use any p4 team without any strategy and still win? It will quickly become boring for whales if that’s the case.

[@ludovicmaignan3234]

Seems really bad for 95% of playerbase. And now all low spender or f2p force to play paragon meta and choose the good unit but surely they will be always behind the meta everytime .... This update kill all the motivation i had in the long run for this game and i feel i can stop the game anytime with no regret at all now. Witch is good for me, but i hope the playerbase will not drop drasticly after everyone get piss of whale meta (y).

[@Barthiee]

No, F2p don't want Dump all of them Investment to Exit

[@user-jg1et4vo2b]

Best new year resolution--- Quit AfkSHITJourney Goodluck everyone with the game, stay safe & happy new year.

[@MegaPurnell]

I understand a slight power increase for Paragon as before there was virtually no difference between P1 and S+. Could often beat paragon teams with S+'s. However I would hope that now they have won game of the year they don't go down a bad path as many games do and forget why people liked the game in the first place and just sell out for the cash grab.

[@carrotguy2022]

So as a whale (have 21 Paragon 4 heroes, rest are mostly p3), with how the season talents were, people that were p1/p2 could win in Supreme arena with luck. The mauler buff tiles were really strong with the 5 seconds of being invincible and mix that with a p1 harak team and a p1 tasi team, luck could cause a win. Harak would just go crazy once someone dies and tasi can get lucky with her aoe stun spams so it was a little annoying losing to teams like that. I do feel a buff was needed but 70% more healing for me and 70% less healing for the other team might be a bit too much if those numbers are true. I will say this though, I do not feel you get a lot of value from going to p4 currently with how much it takes so that is likely why they did this. Just like in DR, there can be a lot of RNG. The investment to p4 vs p1/p2 to win just most of the time isn't there so I can understand the reason for the buffs. Will have to wait and see what it does in game.

[@ciroidchavez246]

Who would have thought the 2024-gaming year award winner will now get their downfall of this 2025 🤣 well looks victory only lasted just quickly for this game 😂

[@henkgeskenk5793]

That is why they put that other thing in the new season to reset your equipment🤔

[@AlwaysReason]

The direction is clear, with this and the changes to the EX bonuses. Might want to start looking for a new game, sadly. We need something like this, but with Warhammer aesthetic.

[@ZaelleLexil]

I was already struggling just to stay in champion for PvP until recently and had crawled my way up to top 50 finally, and could never even break top 200 on supreme except like once. Now it will never happen again for either, probably. Sad.

[@user-hk1qi2wv3w]

stop the cap your top 50 arena and top 200 supreme arena opponents don't have paragon units

[@ZaelleLexil]

@@user-hk1qi2wv3w ur mum

[@Hfhfjfgrgjfjfjgjggh]

VIP 15 here and i dont like it 1 bit. Yes, im spending money on this game because i can, but are they expecting me to spend like hundreds of thousands dollars to have top teams in PVP? not gonna happen, i will just drop this game. I think devs are not realising some thing - This game is expensive enough as it is!

[@darkknight-cc4hf]

They need to know that every game needs all types of players whales, dolphin, and F2P because with all of them the games will be successful. Whales provide the most money to company and dolphin and F2P players keeps the games running. They are needed so game don't die and whale stops playing. I mean think for second let's say all the F2P and most dolphin gathers says let's stop playing. The game will die and if a game dies then why would whales continue to spend money

[@kyotoSZN]

There’s always a P2W something later in the game, think I’ll stick to Dislyte with its own P2W problem. Sheesh!

[@luxeraph]

I'm guessing they weren't getting the numbers they wanted since just one paragon level was enough so people would try to get just a level on everyone but this change is pretty much making it so pvp is now behind a massive pay wall and since they keep adding more modes that require you to have lots of units built don't think even dolphins will be able to fight back.

[@paulogo3482]

Paragon didn't need more buff.. Pfft..

[@notardi3969]

I just got back this game and now im quitting again 😂

[@karza2385]

Arena always had this invisible barrier with the heavy spenders anyways, I guess its now thicker. Thankfully pvp has shitty rewards so asides of getting your monthly scamgaze there is no reason to stress about you being top 1-5

[@att4387]

can u explain about the P2W in seasonal progress also ??

[@JSeventeen2024]

Does this mean afkj is no longer a good game?

[@dyingpentas]

I'll quit the game if this happens. I'm small spender but I manage yo get top 10 in Arena consistently. This really worries me

[@theneed80g]

If they want to buff paragon they should give out more summon tickets and more events for scamgazers and so on cause there’s no way someone casual is going to ever get a p3 p4 celestial hypo

[@KobiSheero]

For me who enjoy arena the most and is f2p this is a deal breaker, if I drop under top 50 on my server bc of this I'm out of the game

[@TONYPORJ]

these upgrades are going to threaten the balance of the game that will ultimately kill the peoples interest.. idk maybe im wrong though

[@leediaz5690]

1 whale gives more revenue than 100% of free-to-play combined

[@Jreichh]

I get why they need people to spend. I am f2p and ranked top 10.

[@HakuPoggers]

Lilith games just killing the game with this changes.

[@richardchurchill8081]

All of these games end up a complete cash grab eventually. " Greed is taking the world by storm these days."

[@oppositeofawinnertv.8927]

For me it kinda hurts to be honestly o spent maybe 600 to 700 dollars on the game since the game started. It sucks because I'm in very active whale serve. Tbh i dont even try to get in the top 100. I wish I could move my account over to mid level server or something. Let the whale Duke it out on their own server or something it makes me not want ti play anymore.

[@seltheus9447]

Not really a fan, but quite honestly...ths won't affect anything on my server. The only people with enogh Paragon to really take advantage of it are the top 10/20 anyway, so it won't matter ranking wise. PvP wise I see the issue though.

[@yowamidesu]

This really doesn't affect me. I'm f2p, and I don't care too much for pvp. So, regardless of the buffs, everything will be the same for me. I'll be in the same position relative to three people that pay. I've been micro transaction free in mobile games for four or five years now. It's just not worth it. The only way a game has a chance of me spending on iaps these days is if everything is purely cosmetic and even then it better be good art.

[@Wiwi32]

Paragon was already bad before this but ok-ish, but now that awfull, gl hf for whale targeting top pvp x)

[@hieulee4782]

Is this still the Lilith I know? I played their AA and RoK, and they really know how to keep their players hooked on the game. But this change is such a huge disappointment

[@NilsonFeLima]

I am gonna leave when these become true

[@-L1K-]

I’m a low spender and paragon ain’t a problem to reach for the normal heroes. Eventually everyone will reach the cap by just playing a lot. But the problem is whales with paragon hypo/celestials will be even more ridiculous. They’re already pretty broken so paragon versions will be untouchable.

[@MatheusSilvaSSS]

ain't a problem? I play since day one and i have 0 paragons...

[@dandan3045]

The first season was great....then in typical Lilith fashion they started getting stingy with rewards and started losing players. Lilith apologized and tried to remedy it and have been doing fairly well with the current season.....and we all knew it wasn't going to last especially for anyone who's played AFK Arena. This is straight up BS! I not going to bother complaining to them, I just deleted the game. Lilith doesn't give a damn about the player base!

[@carlybelliveau4775]

man, yeah I am not a fan of this...if that's how it works, creating such a severe deficit, and honestly even if it's not and it's just a buff for your team with a nerf to the opponent, that's really not fun nor cool. Feels bad and I have a few characters at paragon 1. I'm not a whale by any means but I've spent money on the game, I'd hate to see it become such a pay to win kind of scenario in pvp, feels like you just lock newer players out so hard.

[@phreak9263]

Don't see what the big deal is. This is gacha after all, the longer this game goes on the more pay levels they end up adding to stay relevant in the competitive aspects of the game.

[@Jamibi]

I just uninstalled the game, glad to be away as this is only going to get worse. I don't really care too much for PvP, but it's just a toxic change in general. I only ever really bought the season passes but I don't even want to buy them anymore after this. Obviously not too much of a loss to them as I hardly spent anything on the game anyway. Good luck to them

[@secretminiboss]

Well I guess this is the end of the journey lol

[@renshin3527]

Is Dream realm considered a PvP mode?

[@midnightsouls2798]

no

[@MrHjacky]

Yeah, indirect pvp by ranking

[@tempotemporium5387]

No, its pve

[@avodkado69]

this is what will happen.. losing large f2p player base then dolphin and whales become hesitant to invest more or not because the game seem to be dead.. maybe lilith think the whales wants to play alone?

[@renej8961]

Honestly if they implement this im out, the game lacks many things to entertain you for longer amounts of time and give decent rewards, now they even try to kill pvp .... hope they listen to the feedback

[@BurritoRoll]

Separate whales fro. Free to play.

[@EXRDaBeasta]

It was a good run fellas. May we meet elsewhere in the future, and if not, goodluck on all your endeavors 🫡

[@brandonm3621]

Paragon seemed mostly pointless...no surprise they made it actually mean something. It does seem a little to far in the other direction, but if you are F2P and love PvP - well, there is always Honor Duel.

[@aldo5848]

They will ruin the game like what they did with dislyte GG lilith

[@Mornblade]

PVP in this game is extremely boring so let the pay to win people go at it. I hope in the future people can opt out of all PVP.

[@richs347]

It may be boring to you, but remember Arena and S Arena gives you resources that can be use to purchase more Hero copies etc..

[@MrHjacky]

I don't understand. If you only want pure pve then you don't really need the rewards from pvp as pve content is quite easy

[@UsP88888]

I really, really, really, really do have a hope they gonna revert those Paragon buff changes, there is no way f2p or light spenders gonna keep playing because they simply wont have a chance to win against huge whales like it was before... So far they listened to the feedback of their community, lets hope I am right 🙏, , if not we are doomed

[@druidicdwarf]

Great change for the long term health of the game. We have a reason to push for paragon now since it's no longer worthless. Should help retain whales and allow them to have good competiton that keeps them interested.

[@ImHim_2.0]

What? Its just gonna make f2p lose their mind and quit...(oh and make whales OMEGA KINGS and Krakens their father)

[@druidicdwarf]

@ImHim_2.0 the amount of f2p that could realistically fight against a whale let alone a kraken is extremely small and has much less impact on the long term health of the game. I don't view your statement as something that is negative.

[@druidicdwarf]

@@ImHim_2.0 i see no problem with f2p quitting if it means more whales spending and keeping the game alive and content being made.

[@TaiNguyen-on3cz]

my P4s will be happy lol.

[@myatasugablyeadfarashov]

hahaah your p4's will be happy lolololol lolololollool, brother, you will be unmatched in power, you won't need to even choose wtf you put in arena you will straight up just win if they don't match you (im assuming your server is a normal server with a few whales)

[@TaiNguyen-on3cz]

@ yeah so I can 3v5 people and bully the shit out of them now?

[@ariefhelmy2046]

too be honest f2p is to competetive to get reward. mostly limited reward are reserve for top player

[@tempotemporium5387]

This game is already dead