Massive Scandals That Rocked Hallmark Channel Hard, Really Hard

[@NickiSwift]

What do you think about the Hallmark Channel?

[@kelleygall3644]

I still love it 🥰

[@angiejohnson6666]

Ha ha ha😂😂😂😂...I TRY NOT TO THINK ABOUT HALLMARK CHANNEL 😀

[@feefee71]

I love it. Nobody is perfect, I still think that the worst person in all the college payments is the person who allowed it to happen and took the money. If your child wasn't getting a place at college and there was an option to help them get that place, many people would take it.

[@YDNTK-ui4uc]

Halmark Movies are so Sweet you can get a cavity from just watching them.

[@evelynhester989]

I still love their mysteries and some of the Christmas movies.

[@truthherald-rm4america963]

You can't force a lifestyle on Christians that is not biblical. That is not Legal or Right. Live as you wish, don't force it on others. Your lifestyle is your business and so is ours. We can all get along without forcing your views down America's throat.

[@Jace28142]

Disappointed in several decisions Hallmark has made. I do love that I’ve been able to trust that what I watch is clean and fun…lately however I’ve noticed they are changing and i will be selective with what I watch from now on.

[@roncorbin4072]

I really enjoy the movies. I’m not going to stop watching Hallmark but I have the right to pick and choose the ones I watch as a Christian. Everyone else should do the same.

[@marcushoward6560]

As long as you're still watching the channel, it is getting the ratings and thus the advertising dollars and thus, they have no reason to fix their downward spiral.

[@cherlp6346]

I have enjoyed and trusted hallmark your years .... so disappointed that they feel the need to cower values for change. Comprises are not worth it .... lost my trust and support.

[@HG-kb2qb]

Hallmark should be able to display true family values without judgement or forced to follow immorality. That’s the problem with this world today. Everyone wants to force their views on everyone else! If you don’t like then don’t watch. I mean I’m able to make a decision on my own, guess everyone else is just a sheeple.

[@truthherald-rm4america963]

Amen!

[@rhondalane8011]

Miss the old hallmark...no longer kid friendly

[@donnagallaher5444]

So true.

[@danielarivera7720]

I don’t get why is no longer kid friendly?

[@donnapiraino3323]

What is with the older man thinking that they can get away with this type of behavior Mr. Fraser...It’s exactly like...Weinstein...These men in powerful positions...it’s just disgusting

[@aim_red]

If you don't like it, don't watch. Simple. Why are Hallmark's conservative views even an issue? How is this different than LGBTQ having their target networks like the LOGO channel??

[@80sdreamwave32]

Love Hallmark movies ❤️ but Hallmark channel has gone down

[@MsDana-mo9fp]

I have loved Hallmark for years! Loved the wholesome entertainment!

[@aim_red]

Yeah they are forcing a square peg into a round hole.

[@Lightonahill25]

oh for heaven's sake, there's plenty of filth out there, can we just leave Hallmark alone.

[@Paige-pk8dr]

So racism, homophobia, breaking the law and sexual harassment is OK? No it's not, Hallmark doesn't get a pass

[@basook6116]

let people decide, if people like the channel, turn it to next

[@lloydzilinski4401]

Exactly.

[@basook6116]

@@lloydzilinski4401 I agree, and Hallmark isn't American company anyway

[@louisedpkmarais7413]

Agreed can we have one clean channel for families not pushing any political agenda

[@KMO55208]

Hardly watch Hallmark channel any more, it has changed so much and not for the better

[@michaelnowak993]

MONEY TALKS!!!!!!!! That's all that matters to hallmark!!!!!

[@sharonannrowland5783]

insisting on a production company employing people based on sexual preference and not talent, and overriding the formulae that works is manipulative and could be construed as a form of blackmail considering the actress I question went on to make a public statement (her threat) - if Hallmark is pulling this kind of viewer numbers they are satisfying a need that is not being filled elsewhere

[@commess1]

Sharon Ann Rowland... well said.

[@vickigeorge5287]

If we don’t like it, we do not watch it…….and we do not like it.

[@sherriewilsey8613]

Have enjoyed Hallmark movies for years. However being a Christian/Conservative hallmark has been removed from my list of favorite channels to watch. Will miss Candace Cameron Bure, she is a delightful actress with strong moral values.

[@joboots007]

Sounds like you’re still lost in the 50s,eh Sherrie????

[@sherriewilsey8613]

@@joboots007 that's right, when decency was still a priority.

[@joboots007]

@@sherriewilsey8613 Not 2 mention oppression & insensitiy,BTW!!!!

[@gracepuerom2779]

@@sherriewilsey8613 👏🏻👏🏻

[@memorysdancer]

Ah yes the good old days of oppression, racism and all kinds of discrimination. That kind of decency? You mean those days? 😂 Lol ok boomer. Such a laughable ignorant comment.

[@lynmedo7495]

I was a huge fan of Hallmark. No more. I have not watched them since they have gotten to liberal. My choice and walking away was much easier than I thought. So Hallmark, You had better hope those who you are bending a knee to, watch and support because You are losing your base.

[@diane9812]

Way to admit you are racist lol

[@louisedpkmarais7413]

I loved Hamark movies albeit cheesy because its clean family movies with no political agenda sadly they are now bending to political pressure and thats a shame we need another channel that can take their lost place.

[@sammyd4880]

GAC Family is a great channel if you choose to replace hallmark

[@Lightonahill25]

agreed

[@sharjo52]

I agree!

[@trishwragg848]

I don’t understand why people with alternative ideology, those who deny that for thousands of years people have been living and surviving heterosexual relationships, must force what they believe down everyone’s throats. If it was so okay, force would not be necessary. Nothing wholesome and healthy can be left alone in this day and age.

[@flowergalpower2681]

This Frazer guy should be behind bars -- the woman should bring charges agaisnt him now

[@pbear7814]

Good for Candace!

[@marymcmenemy2287]

If hallmark continues to give in to liberal Hollywood, guess I won't be watching their new releases. 2019 and back are the best movies. Really don't mind repeats of Christmas movies they were great.

[@lynn2fitxx290]

I thought I was the only one that still long for Hallmark movies from 2019 back. These too much diversity is giving me a bitter taste of current Hallmark movies.

[@darrellhood5430]

Hallmark should be allowed to do what they want they are in control of their movies and shows and they pay the people so if u don't like their products DONT WATCH IT plain and simple im sure if they changed their values and believes they may lose viewers like me

[@daneesikes7709]

Candace Cameron Bure is the best thing going on Hallmark. I also like Lori Laughlin even though she made some bad choices if seems. Bring her back. Jesus forgives. We can too.

[@lindauhlman2231]

Jesus forgives, but that doesn't mean that there aren't reprecussions for your actions.Lori took slots for her children that took them from people who didn't have the financial resoures, and could have used those slots for their children. That is unacceptable.

[@marylee2732]

Jesus only forgives IF YOU TRULY REPENT AND FOLLOW HIM. otherwise they are game.

[@Paige-pk8dr]

@@lindauhlman2231 exactly they stole scholarships from people who actually needed them. Then they tried to plead not guilty was pure stupidity, your daughter weren't ever involved in crew or any sport for that matter. They knew and so did their daughters

[@Unlucky320]

I love the Hallmark channel. The family movies and values. As far as the diversity some of the people talk about why should they? If you want to see that, turn the channel. I don't think that what they were calling diversity should be thrown into people's faces. Most people know what Hallmark Channel is, and I'm behind them all the way in this, now about the age discrimination, and the producer being all handsy, that's a different thing. I think that kind of behavior needs to be dealt with harshly. And before anyone can say, what's the difference, the difference is is that those don't show family values. Keep up the great movie making Hallmark, and please give some of these actors/actresses a chance, being old and being human is part of being human.

[@barbaraallred6552]

I just want to say Hallmark Channel is my very most channel I watch. The programs are clean. Funny.,. Inspirational, and dramatic. Now tell me another channel that has that. I will continue to watch this channel. Thanks.

[@LeahFfarid]

me too 🙋🏾‍♀️

[@joycemiraglia280]

It Hallmark is and has Always been noted for wholesome family movies and shows but "LGBTQ" is not and shouldn't be forced to be made part of their programming...a company and or business shouldn't be forced to make anything included in their work if they don't want it...I thought America is a free country...are you saying it's only free for those who ALL think alike...I'm sure that's not the definition of freedom.

[@Lightonahill25]

welcome to the liberal agenda -- free only if you agree

[@lucthin6245]

America is also a capitalistic nation, in doing so businesses want to private great customer service to their audiences/viewers such like a retail store or restaurant to their customers. To stay in business you cater some of the needs of customers & not have scandals. They have to be balance & not go to far either way.

[@official_adan]

They're actors and human beings...why would they be immune to "scandals"?

[@sonic1045]

My kids dont watch t v any more and nor do they watch these so called movies

[@antoinettewitt2098]

Love u Candace

[@commess1]

I like to see inter-racial and black couples in Hallmark type movies. They should reconsider this policy. So like everyone here I chose not to view the station because it gets boring after a while. Plus there is,a lovely movie called Belle I'd recommend. If the LGBT has a channel why not just watch that than trying to force people to confirm to that way of thinking? Last I check people were free to choose to declare and remain with their moral values. Or has this changed too in this now twisted, upside down world?

[@synthias5594]

This must be an old video that has been re-posted. Things have changed since last summer 2020. Inclusion and interracial relationships/marriages are a thing in Hallmark movies. If not the main characters, there is at least a supporting couple that fits the criteria in every movie nowadays. Some changes have been made lately at Hallmark that I’m not happy about but all that is mentioned in this video is old some no longer true. Check it out again. Might enjoy it again.

[@enioveiga2439]

He failed to mention that emotional and physical betrayals have become routine in the productions, and show the betrayed partner accepting them as if it were something normal that does not affect anyone.

[@12Gaile]

I love Hallmark Movies & Mysteries !!! Awesome stories & actors. My favorite is Aurora/ Candace & company but others are just as good.😊

[@stevenalexander4721]

I enjoy watching Aurora Teagarden, Murder 101, Mystery Woman and so much more.

[@aldaamaral6416]

I enjoy hallmark movies they are clean and very good for the whole family to watch.

[@catb8661]

My favorite channel, although I don't like the LBGTQ influence creeping in.

[@edithweideman5505]

I always loved Hallmark by nowadays I feel like I am been harassed by all these new things that were never in the movies. I don’t want to watch these new LBGTQ things that they are bringing into the movies. Why oh why is it necessary

[@raymondbass9305]

Catherine Bell was counted as a minority because she is "half-Iranian?" Problem with that is that Iranians are Indo-European... as white as Norwegians, or Brits, or Germans et al.

[@rachelderenoncourt3881]

That’s what some religious groups say but Iranians are considered asian.

[@harperstacey9604]

Catherine bell came out recently as a lesbian.

[@raymondbass9305]

@@rachelderenoncourt3881 - Iranians are Indo-Europeans who live in Asia. It has nothing to do with being sourced in religious groups

[@lloydzilinski4401]

And South Asians as well. Bollywood is as "white" as Hollywood. There are only 3 defined races, the rest are a melange. The darkness of South Asians is a characteristic of where their population lived for thousands of years, not their race. Same with Semites, both Jewish and Arab. Just as Southern Europeans; Greeks, southern Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, Cypriots, etc. have darker complexions, hair, and eye colour northern Europeans are often blue eyed or green eyed blond, fair haired, or red headed. All the above are all the same basic race, but of many different ethnicities.

[@lloydzilinski4401]

@@rachelderenoncourt3881 Asian isn't a race. Mongloid, Negroid, Caucasoid. Those are the three races on the planet.

[@kimmccabe1422]

Wth. All Hallmark actors are human. And yeah maybe I'd do half of what they all did. Besides totally getting rid of Crown media, its all good. Stand behind your actors Hallmark! Afterall, even being proper can fall short sometimes. Lack of diversity? Hallmark has a specific audience. Just like Black Entertainment has theirs. It's all natural and beautiful. Continue on. Btw, we love Candace and Kellie. More A.Teagarden and Hailey Dean please!!!

[@djstuntfox]

All of this doesn't surprise me.

[@kevinbergin9971]

To be fair, you wouldn't think Hallmark could come up with all those different "Married before Christmas" wedding movies but every year they get them done.

[@Lightonahill25]

flogging a dead horse?

[@crankycorner16]

I love the old Hallmark...always someone blasting what they don't like, bunch of cry babies

[@veronicamoody3981]

I don't think speaking up about lack of inclusivity and harassment is being a cry baby. People should speak up, and I wonder how the same people calling other people cry babies would feel if someone treated them in a way they believed was unfair.

[@crankycorner16]

@@veronicamoody3981 shut the hell up

[@veronicamoody3981]

@@crankycorner16 Seriously?! That's your reply? How mature and original, and am I supposed to feel intimidated?

[@crankycorner16]

@@veronicamoody3981 I don't care what the hell you think. Listen snowflake if you and other crybabys don't like a movie or whatever move on. Forcing people to do what they want is immature.

[@merrytunes8697]

😂🤣😂 all the people saying “don’t force diversity down my throat” while also claiming to be Christians…how DARE YOU! We must not read the same Bible. Disgusting.

[@rahbeeuh]

Ikr? 😂😂😂

[@relaxgaming00286]

you guys just had to sink your liberal teeth into everything. you couldnt just leave hallmark alone.

[@sonic1045]

And Hollywood fell to the shitter to. We no longer watch movies. Well if you even want to call them movies.

[@celitad.p.934]

Well, Hallmark, you made your decision. Not going to say much more, but... thank you for these years of enjoyable family -friendly viewing. Not sure what to expect from now on... 🙃

[@queenstixxzz]

[@desireeishope]

I love the Hallmark channel. I like the fact that I can allow my grandchildren to watch without worry. I trust the Hallmark Channel all year round. I do not have to agree with all lifestyles choices by people and I do not need to put pressure on a network to include what I do not agree with. I love the standards and values Hallmark has. I am tired of Hollywood trying to push values on me I do not agree with. The amount of discrimination by those that want to push on me what I choose tonot agree. I hope Hallmark does not change. .

[@val271]

So what. You have the black channels too. own, BET BOUNCE ASPIRE

[@glorialabella6361]

Hilarity Burton needs to go to other media outlets who show disordered relativistic unnatural realities. May God bless her and pray she can realize her errors. Please keep Hallmark Channel true to Christian values and Truths. God bless America and the freedoms based with God-given inalienable rights. 🇺🇸✝️🇺🇸

[@daneesikes7709]

If Hallmark doesn't want to show interracial couples, it shouldn't have to.

[@mandyunger3878]

It gets kind of boring because the background in almost every movie is at the same place in Abbotsford BC

[@veronicamoody3981]

Yes!! There's nothing to shake things up. Everything is too perfect and super white.

[@donasmith6081]

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[@charlyme7925]

Prefer conservative shows. That’s my right.

[@Gimo76]

Geez you can’t even run your own business the way you want without someone saying something political and telling you to do what they want.

[@lindabahlmann9442]

Grow up everyone! Not everyone will ever be happy!

[@stevehall383]

Hallmark is the only television I will watch!

[@lindabrennan4455]

If you don't like the network, don't watch it! It's their network. They can do what they want with it. I think they are ignorant and I do believe that with constant pressure we can bring about change. 😊

[@ritaolan6151]

This is why I don’t watch hallmark any more

[@dstorm7752]

Hallmark has dived into Political Correctness and rolled out the usual Left Wing props such as mixed race and gay couples, tedious virtue signals, and the like.

[@merrytunes8697]

Mixed race is a left wing prop? Wow, go back to the 1940s

[@lindabeck2036]

What is so FREAKIN' WRONG with a clean tv movie? I guess all either follow x rated shows or no tv. Disgusting

[@dawnvierra4063]

If you dont like the channel dont watch it.

[@cjaquilino]

It’s called criticism. It’s not an either or proposition.

[@savannahsmiles1797]

@@cjaquilino BUNK, that ain't the agenda, the agenda is to get rid of anything and everything that doesn't reflect woke culture.

[@gracepuerom2779]

I love hallmark!! ♥️♥️🥰🥰

[@deb4714]

And that is when I Stopped watching! lol

[@brose2323]

I think the alleged scandal drama is just drummed up to bring attention to the network.

[@oventi_]

I think Hallmark is following societal trends. We are getting more inclusive and thus they follow. I doubt they are following moral values, otherwise they would have been inclusive years ago, but rather the audience trends and money.

[@samboprak10]

them not being diverse and inclusive years ago blame that on the former CEO bill abbott

[@marcushoward6560]

Morals don't follow the trends.

[@diane9812]

@@marcushoward6560 racism, sexism and hate aren’t something to be proud of. Apparently emulating Jesus is no longer part of Christianity.

[@marcushoward6560]

@@diane9812Thankfully, none of that was in earlier Hallmark content. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not ignore sin and let people go to Hell to save their precious little feelings. Don't be a pharisee.

[@diane9812]

@@marcushoward6560 you just proved my point. Jesus loved everyone, even sinners. How you can call yourself a Christian is beyond me.

[@mercyrodriguez5780]

Love Hallmark, leave them alone!

[@sabatian1138]

Yeah, I've noticed a suspicious absence of Hallmark movies featuring interracial couples. What Hallmark doesn't appear to want to acknowledge is that although we are made up of different ethnicities, we are still one race - human. If their producers doubt that, perhaps they should pick up a Bible and actually read it once in a while. Lifetime is kicking Hallmark's butt in the diversity department which is why I prefer their channel over Hallmark. Get it together, Hallmark! This is soon-to-be 2022!

[@crystalsky9512]

You drag Hallmark down the gutter it will die and a less than slow death..

[@truthherald-rm4america963]

Christmas Everlasting was Wonderful.

[@gourdsbyjm]

And guess what. I have quit watching for the past two years. Hallmark use to put really good shows on (Hallmark Hall of Fame) but they have become the same ole silly romance shows with the same format just different people. I’m done. Even when calls the the heart which is sweet has become just to sappy and no real plot.

[@marybeaver2316]

You can watch all that other mess anywhere on tv. Thank God we Christians have something we can watch!

[@Terrel3000]

Lol idiot comment.

[@queenstixxzz]

So true! @Mary Beaver

[@queenstixxzz]

@@Terrel3000 You clearly arent a Christian or you would understand the comment.

[@Terrel3000]

@@queenstixxzz I am a christian and understand the comment fully.

[@queenstixxzz]

@@Terrel3000 then why would you call the comment or her an idiot?

[@cherylhaskell9830]

Why cain't We The People just watch what WE want. If you do not approve or enjoy, change the channel: I recall hearing that statement over the past 6 decades in tesponse to vulgarity, nudity, and other inexplicable and outrageous presentations in music, movies, TV programs.

[@souppastes5519]

I’ve always hated Hallmark quite honestly so this doesn’t surprise me.

[@travelnurseadventures3225]

IF Hillary burton didn’t like what Hallmark represents why did she wait to make all her money and all her silly movies to then leave because she got a husband who makes money? 🙄 Why didn’t she bypass hallmark and work only on work that she agreed with…sounds greedy and shallow, especially today when many working people are leaving their jobs because of the mandates with not a rich actor husband to fall back on.

[@rosemaryparker2567]

Just watched a movie starring cadence Cameron, I think that's her name. Surprisingly didn't make me want to slit my wrist. I enjoyed it the story was good .

[@tachyon5321]

Hallmart's viewership is now down 40% .. Brand building LOL

[@gailbuske2348]

STAY TRUE TO HALLMARK!!! WE LOVE HALLMARK❤

[@analisetteroehrs235]

Leave alone Hallmark channel, we love the movies just the way they are

[@rumbellefever]

Hallmark Movies make me gag...!!! Even at Christmas!!!!

[@deborahanderson897]

the old guy must have been taking agra!

[@brookescreativelife9839]

This makes me sick, sad, angry and deeply frustrated on what Hallmark is doing. They're destroying family related films and shows, just like ABC Family did. I'm so ashamed of them. Just because this psycho world comes up with their horrid beliefs and opinions doesn't mean you have to give in and follow them. I don't really watch Hallmark like I used to. It's never gonna be the same. I repeat, it's never gonna be the same......

[@sstephens2175]

Why can’t a channel be all one thing if that’s what they want? Do an all white channel. Do an all Asian channel. Do an all alcoholic channel. Do an all dog channel. Do an all drug addicted channel. Do an all preaching channel. Do an all lgbt channel. Do an all cooking channel. Do an all sewing channel. Do an all whatever. Then let society choose what they want to watch. Don’t force any channel to show things they don’t want to show. That should be pretty simple.

[@rahbeeuh]

Funny you said all white channel when 98% of channels are already that

[@justshelbs5679]

A lot of people in the comments are saying this is wrong . Making more Black couples and gay couples appear in their movies . Personally I think this is a great idea. Black people have suffered for years and little steps like understanding that black people are just as important as white people in my opinion is right. Aswell as LGBTQ+. People are saying ‘it’s not what I believe in’ which is understandable and you don’t have to watch it but don’t say it’s wrong of hallmark to be doing this. For example thousands of children suffer with understanding their sexuality and being told that it’s okay to love whoever you want from movies will help todays generation. Thank you.

[@terrykellum262]

I always loved the fact that Hallmark had values; was what I call wholesome. Now it seems as though they have given in to the liberalism/WOKE. I am very disappointed. Still watch some the older movies but not interested in some of their new movies. Too bad they didn't take a stand. My opinion.

[@roselyncampisi822]

I really don't watch Hallmark anymore. I don't buy there greeting cards or stationary anymore. I am on a tight budget.

[@fkcook62]

That's why I always liked watching Hallmark they showed movies I could let my granddaughter watch, but seems I'm going to have to go straight to Disney cartoon watching 🤨🤔

[@lynnsheffield8506]

Disney isn't so kid friendly anymore... so many mixed messages.

[@spinningjinn]

Disney has gone woke, too.

[@cherlp6346]

Disney is deceptively perverted be careful what you watch.. even cartoons. Done with them a long time ago when I found out what was really going on.

[@aleciawimer8506]

Look up “Disney Deception” on KZbin.

[@sylviajohnson2070]

Presidents daughter you think they themselves earn to go to Harvard or Yale. Yea right. Lori you are beautiful, you did not desire it.

[@sharjo52]

Hallmark movies now is a big disappointment,I don’t agree with the woke gay generation. I will move on and look for more faith and Christian shows. Sad everything you mostly see on tv is getting more corrupt and following discussing values! I am standing up for what I believe in.

[@LVpatriot]

I personally can’t watch more than 1 movie a day. It’s all the same just different actors. I watch for the golden girls and Fraiser, it really irritates me when they take these 2 shows off October thru December GRR cannot take Christmas in July I don’t turn it on until 10pm

[@Avant402]

I’ve never like Hallmark, it was very boring and now I know why. It was bland!

[@lloydzilinski4401]

Watch BET.

[@jackieanderson9408]

I have never watched hallmark but damn. They sound bigotic as hell.

[@dashiajames1882]

If you luvvvv Action adventure, horror creepy thrilling & mysterious movies. Hallmark isn't the channel 4 you. There movie/shows are lame. And they play old shows like Murder she Wrote, Frasier & others. They also have a show very similar to Litle house on the Prarie.

[@brendamcdonall5798]

" bigotic" ??? No such word exists. The word is " bigoted ".

[@jackieanderson9408]

@@brendamcdonall5798 Ok🙄

[@angiejohnson6666]

Ha ha ha😂😂😂. Stop it Hallmark channel 😂😂😂😂

[@davestephen8679]

Hallmark is no longer family friendly were switching to GAC family

[@tammylafave1376]

I love this channel so much all of them but my dish work does it have them on certain times of the year I would watch this channel 24 seven if I could if it would be on my net work

[@aleciawimer8506]

Romans 1:26-27

[@spencerkarterlive7378]

Why was the A word bleeped out? Shame On You, Nicki Swift!

[@viccimauldin2235]

I cancelled my subscription due to the surprise wedding of two women showing up. Just me. Also Candace Cameron Burre is the queen of Hallmark and after her stunt of posting a picture of her husband having his hand resting on her breast on the internet, I was done with her. A lot of other things too helped me decide to cancel my subscription.

[@davestephen8679]

Candace loves the money and fame she gave a explanation of what Christmas means to her on. her Christmas movie this year don't sound Christian to me

[@dps5819]

What I find funny is people who actually consider this News, this kind of deals have Always existed, that's the way the money games are played... Nothing new it's a rich person's life... Lol

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

If you don't like it built your own film studio.

[@urskaska]

i watch HM for good laugh and eye rolling. they are ridicolously unrealistic.

[@nafisahafeez5866]

I have recently seen they are improving a tiny bit although it is obvious I do understand they want everything to look perfect they have to realise some things that loo inpetfect are perfect and different things can look good too All we want is the serious issues work out and that looks good on screen so bad can look good it just has to have point on outcome ending

[@dansketch]

And how do we know all this is true