MASTER OF WINE Tries HIGHLY RATED Wines from VIVINO Under $20

[@xalkin]

Yeeeeeessss. You need to do more of these :) This was great. As a novice wine drinker and frequent vivino buyer I have discovered I have some real issues with their cheaper/mid range wines. I used to order wines almost only based on grades, but I've realized the scores tend to be too high for overly sweet, oaky, simple drinking wines. I think this is because a big bulk of the grades comes from the large, uneducated easy drinkers group. Certainly something I used to be guilty of as well, but as you learn and 'evolve', your taste changes and you get bored of drinking grape juice and start to appreciate complexity. Grading a wine is understandably hard when your frame of reference is a 5/5 for a 20-30 dollar wine. So thank you and keep them coming

[@miriya99]

Or rating 5 stars because it's high alcohol content and they're wasted😂

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks for your comment - and I will keep them coming!

[@toplica4821]

Of course, but Vivino is made for common people, not for Masters of wine :)

[@vgadd]

[@michael_177]

God forbid the app reflect the majority of the userbase. God forbid people be shamed for not wanting to taste a disinfected wooden floor

[@IndianaJonasDk]

I find that Vivino scores sort of work like IMDB scores for movies. It depends a lot on the category. Primitivos and Zinfandels are often scored much higher compared to nebbiolos or wines from burgundy. This is not unlike how new superhero movies on IMDB are scored much more generously than, for example short-films or art-house movies. Each category have different audiences with different expectations

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thats true!

[@fuzznakano]

I totally agree. Maybe dessert wines and sweet wines score higher than they should. That’s another example.

[@itsmederek1]

This is an insightful comment! Subconsciously I take certain IMDB rating more seriously than others depending on the genre I now realise. Extrapolating the nature of ratings per genre from IMDB to Vivino is a great comparison.

[@johnr797]

I find this to be especially true for horror movies since it's such a subjective genre. I feel like any horror film rated over 6.5 has a decent chance of being quite good.

[@Christopher._M]

@LixTen I would recommend you to check out wing king.

[@boredom1843]

I tend to use vivino more to track my own thoughts than to make purchasing decision, but it's very useful for learning the grapes in a blend which can help you figure out what to expect from it.

[@madmiles442]

I enjoy Vivino, just for the tracking of my own tastings and purchases. Often, I’ll try a wine and hate it, stare at the label so I’ll remember it, then 6 months later - hey, I recognize that, let’s get that! Vivino helps me from repeating mistakes.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Interesting!

[@ManuelRodriguez-ep7bi]

Addition to the Marques de Riscal: they are able to produce more than 4Mio bottles of the Reserva, vast majority is exported - amazing. The reason for the net around the bottle: it's an homage to the first bottles of the Marqués de Riscal Reserva produced in the first half of the 20th century. It was then put on the bottles with a wax seal to protect the label against cheap copies that were produced outside the rioja and exported to France (mainly). To my knowledge they were the first ones to use it, you can find these days many bottles and many producers in and outside Rioja with these nets, but in most cases it's actually an indicator not to buy the wine...

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks

[@mickmoon5619]

The net on the Riojas is a nod to the past. It helped prevent it to be counterfeited. Just an extra hurdle to jump. So it made/makes sense.

[@richross4276]

Dammit. You beat me to it!

[@walkerbowen1873]

Vivino has a great feature where they give a percentage that basically suggests my likelihood of enjoying the wine based on my previous ratings of other wines. It's great! But I mostly use it to keep track of my wine purchases and preferences. Great video though!

[@Birdylockso]

Vivino represents the palate of most average drinkers, and since I drink my wine often with average drinkers, Vivino serves a purpose. That said, special wines will also get good and accurate ratings on Vivino, because the people who bother to drink it and post the comments are usually serious drinkers who appreciate that wine. So, overall, I think it works on both ends.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks Steve

[@patrickwarren5063]

Konstantin I use Vivino and I like it. It has helped me expand my knowledge of wine and I can keep track of my cellar with the app. It is a great tool which can be used along with great You-tubers like yourself to educate and share with wine lovers. Thanks for all your hard work! Cheers 🍷

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks for sharing! I will play around more with Vivino in the future

[@Blue28485]

Loved it. This channel is one of the best hidden treasures on youtube.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@benmarshall5132]

As a tool for searching up wines and getting an idea for regions, grapes, and keep inventory, Vivino is a pretty great tool for the job. The ratings I find can be pretty ridiculous though and are often regional/varietal specific. I.E Meiomi Pinot Noir and Robert Mondavi Bourbon Barrell Cab Sauvignon are both 4.1 stars and yet most St. Emilion and Barolo you look up can often not top 3.9 or 4.0. Are you really telling me Meiomi oak juice is better than François Mikulski Bourgogne Côte d’Or Pinot Noir (3.8 on Vivino)? I'd wager not, it's entirely dependent on the drinking audience and it shows. I still enjoy using it though for my own reviews and inventory.

[@Blue28485]

Amen.

[@jasonbusam]

That is an really good explanation for Vivino. Especially about the drinking audience. I assume most are into "light to drink" rather than "complexity" of the wines.

[@rajo741]

God…Meiomi…vintage after vintage I fail to comprehend how this is a “Pinot noir” and how anyone enjoys this plonk. If this is their house style then it’s one of the worst decisions in wine history.

[@es2651]

I think Vivino's average rating on cheap and/or affordable wine would be really skewed toward your average wine drinkers' preference ie. big bold sweet fruity super oaky wine that is easy to drink, whereas the average rating on the more expensive wine (ie. grand cru classe bordeaux) would probably reflect toward the more serious wine drinkers preference since your average wine drinker probably wouldn't spend $100 or more for a bottle of wine, although sometimes you'll see a 1 star rating on a grand cru classe bordeaux with comments like "expensive, dry, tart, not sweet, not fruity enough, etc" from those average wine drinkers crowd 😅

[@Vitaliy_Utkin]

Люди, должны понимать, что алкогольные напитки - это яд, какими бы красивыми именами они не назывались. Под влиянием алкоголя биоэнергия организма приобретают болезнетворные свойства (внешне это проявляется в виде сероватой окраски излучаемых потоков). ! Человека можно сравнить с трансформатором энергий. Многие болезни вызывают загрязнения неких энергетических потоков (на востоке их называют мередианами), невидимых обычным зрением (происхождение того же рака от - загрязнения чакр и мередианов). Ум всегда придумает аргументы научнообоснованные, что есть мясо, пить спиртное или курить - это полезно, хотя это яд и разрушает душу в любых дозах. Возможно разово он кого-то и выручал, но не тогда, когда это становится нормой. Наше российское общество побеждают без войны. По данным, алкогольно-зависимой является уже примерно половина населения страны. От алкоголиков рождаются умственно и физически дефектные дети - у них уже нарушены хромосомы. И от них (и их детей) уже не может получиться полноценное потомство. 17% детей в стране уже рождалось врождённо слабоумными. И оставалось добрать ещё только один процент - чтобы процесс генетического вырождения нации стал необратимым. Такая нация уже никогда не сможет воспроизводить полноценное потомство, она превратится в страну слабоумных уродов - и затем вымрет. И это - ещё не всё. 80% учащейся молодежи уже пробовали наркотики помимо алкоголя и никотина, а 20% - уже прочно “сидят на игле” “крутых” наркотиков. И число наркоманов растёт из года в год. Срок жизни таких - всего около 4-х лет... Придёт время - и некому будет служить в армии, пополнять ряды учёных, врачей, инженеров. Россия превратится в страну умственно отсталых калек и пенсионеров, не получающих пенсий… Сейчас мы должны доказать Богу, что ещё на что-то способны в Эволюционной перспективе. Он ведь намеревался получать от наций хороший “урожай” Совершенных Душ. Нация должна быть в этом отношении перспективной! Большинству людей свойственно перенимать поведение и пороки, наблюдая за другими. Тогда сразу становится понятно, что случаи слабоумия - это вовсе не болезнь, а просто эффект подражания. Наша человеческая задача состоит в том, чтобы стать лучше, это достигается преодолением себя через усилия. Бог отслеживает, что выбирает человект - совершенствование или деградацию. Рассматривайте это как наше тестирование нашим Высшим Учителем (Творцом). Нужен выход из дурных компаний. Медитация. Визуализируем солнышко у себя в груди, с лучами-ручками.

[@rogerc7671]

For years when I go to a grocery store that 19 Crimes grab my attention with its eye catching label. Ty for saving my liver and money.

[@ItsLangerz]

It’s lovely wine, ignore this guy. I know loads of people who drink and love 19 crimes including myself.

[@rizz8670]

All hail the algorithm for suggesting this fantastic channel. Very interesting and informative.

[@ChristopheLimpalair]

Vivino has definitely helped me dive further into the wine world because of how easy it is to navigate and find wines. It's a fairly intuitive platform to use compared to many other wine platforms. Like others have said, the ratings can be hit or miss, especially when there are fewer ratings. Anything less than a few hundred ratings I've found to not be reliable, and even then sometimes you'll get duds. Reading a few ratings can help get a sense though! Thanks for the great video, would love more like this!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you - more coming!

[@tommy254]

I use Vivino to get a feel for wines or wineries I've never heard of. I love it and hate it at the same time. You have to bear in mind that these are scores from your average Joe so you would expect that a crowd pleaser (like Primitivo) scores higher than a more complex wine (like Pinot Noir). I drank 4.2 wines that were awful and 3.6 wines that were great. For small wineries and new vintages it's almost useless cause there is little data. However, Vivino is quite good when it comes to purchasing wines since they sometimes have some awesome offers for famous wines like Lageder's Loewengang Chardonnay and so on.

[@LiveLifeLasting]

Couldn’t have said it better :)

[@NZAnimeManga]

@@LiveLifeLasting likewise! Thirded!!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

I will play around more with Vivino - for sure.

[@winefolly]

Really nice work Konstantin! You make me want to remix for a US edition with wines we're used to seeing in the US market. :) :)

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks Madeline! Sounds good.

[@PollutedPoet]

Do it!

[@gustavomgomes]

For me Vivino is a consumer platform instead of a critics one. I prefer to read the comments of friends that I know the taste to evaluate the wines . The 5 stars rating system in at best vague. Cheers! Love the channel 👏👏👏👏

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@getsconesTRUTH]

A master of wine: "3.9, 4.0, what's the difference really?" My customer, with a case of meiomi in their cart: "I'm a bit of a snob, I don't drink anything less than 4.0 on vivino."

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

:)

[@peterbooth6753]

Meoimi ??? - for me, both Meoimi and Caymus remind me of Durian fruit. That is, they provoke a gag reflex. I don't understand this, because I enjoy big, fruit forward, overly extracted wines in general - but not these two, for sure.

[@artgreen6915]

I probably agree with you, but to play devil's advocate perhaps the 3.9 did convey some information as it corresponded to Konstantin's 2nd lowest score. Sample size very small, I know.

[@MrJcalvino]

Meiomi is putrid

[@Randal835]

Great video Konstantin, enjoying your videos lately! I use Vivino a lot and I've found it a very useful tool for storing my tasting notes & tracking my cellar. In regards to the wire mesh on your Marques de Riscal, it was originally invented to prevent counterfeiting of their high-quality Rioja. It covered the bottle, thereby preventing counterfeiters from either being able to slyly remove the cork, draining out the good wine and replacing it with something else, or simply refill and re-cork a used bottle, since it was impossible to remove the netting without breaking it, and once off, the netting could not be put back on the bottle. If there was something wrong with the wire netting surrounding the bottle, chances were, that bottle was a fake. I guess they keep doing it as a nod to tradition. Cheers!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks!

[@florencia7413]

I like Vivino and use it quite often. Not so much for the score (ok, ok, a little) , but for details like grape variety, region, price and some of the descriptions. When I find myself at a store, popping a label at the Vivino app helps me figure out whether I'll drink it before dinner, with piece of meat or a vegetarian dish. It's not perfect, but it helps.

[@Ruirspirul]

as usual, excellent idea for a wine video. keep them coming!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks, will do!

[@danielhicks1682]

Vivino is a good introduction to wine appreciation. Some people are intimidated by the classic wine appreciation culture or even offended by it. Im pretty sure after awhile someone will start to get a sense of their palette and realize that Vivino doesnt cut it anymore and look deeper.

[@chrisanderson4095]

Your comment about knowing who rated the wines is on point!! I see many wines for sale with high ratings and have no clue who did the tasting!!

[@hungryformusik]

This mirrors my own experience to almost 100% and reassures me that my own ratings are about correct.

[@tarawalker7193]

Never heard of Vivino but I'm looking forward to checking it out now. Praying you and your family are safe right now. Praying for all of Germany with the damaging rain and weather.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you very much. We were not touched by the floods but the Ahr and some other regions have suffered terrible damage.

[@greggbull9543]

I think the 100 point system does make sense but I believe it is more for people who truly delve into wine and its nuances. The Vivino scale is great for casual drinkers but it only allows you to rate based on .5 increments so 3.0, 3.5, 4.0….etc. Another very interesting and entertaining video, cheers 🍷

[@danielesposito8280]

Hey not sure if you’re still active on there, but its now on .1 increments, so now technically a 50 point scale

[@_APV_]

I've been using Vivino scoring system quite successfully, about 80-90% of wines I got using it were actually enjoyable, much higher success rate than just picking blindly or by label prettiness. That said I was surprised how different it can be to a MW rating. I was watching a video with Peter Koff, and looked up a "bourbon barrel aged" wine he hated and basically called shit, and it had 4.2 rating. Then on another video he was very impressed by some $20 Pinot Noir, saying it's an amazing value wine, and that wine had 3.6 on Vivino. So yeah, crowdsourcing ratings has its flaws.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

It does!

[@juhanikuronen6944]

Then again just because a wine professional dislikes a wine it does not mean public agrees with the assessment. E.g. compare movie critics vs google rating. The latter is more reliable. While I think wines are not entirely comparable with movies the same applies here to some extent.

[@dr.patfarrellmasterofwine1496]

As always, a very informative and thoughtful video. Congrats! As a fellow Master of Wine, I don’t use Vivino (or any scores for that matter) and rely upon my own experience with vintage, region and producer. That said, I have, occasionally, looked at Vivino scores and comments to better understand their consumers and product. Keep up the great work.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks Pat!

[@samuelhancock524]

The wire cages "mallas" on Rioja bottles were used to ensure authenticity when wine fraud was a problem in Rioja.

[@aleksaleks2274]

thanks!

[@Fabio-le7fi]

Glückwunsch! tolle Idee, gut und überzeugend durchgeführt.

[@kindnesslove5482]

Great. I had tried 4 of these and happy to see you shared my opinion exactly. This Rioja is one of my first loves and still in my rotation. The Riesling I have occasionally. The rest I won't get.

[@David.Laurin.Rathmer]

Thank you for sharing experience and knowledge about that great topic, Sir!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Glad it was helpful!

[@kyoxilbuzz]

Ohoho, this will be my new favorite channel for a while...

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Only for a while???? 😉 Thank you!

[@240gusti]

What an awesome discovery this channel. I do basically the same, buy batches of 6 different bottles from vivino and drink them over time. I'm from northeastern Spain so the wines that you described as so concentrated are actually my cup of tea. Keep up the awesome content!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@eddylouiscop4582]

Dear Konstantin, I am following your videos since a couple of years and I learned a lot from them. Now it is my time to pay you back. The gold plated wire around the Marques de Riscal Reserva was introduced years ago by the owners to prevent copying of their wines, simple as that. Concerning Vivino, I am a member there but I also double check their rates with other sources and experts like you. Good example in this case is the Marques de Riscal Reserva 2017 of wich I bought a case after seeing your video.

[@hhschrader8067]

I subscribed because I like your down-to-earth approach and, of course, I respect any Master of Wine. Looking forward to your next tastings.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

I appreciate that

[@janisbecker3156]

Danke für das gute Video Herr Baum!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Dankeschön!

[@johanneshougaard8045]

I use vivino quite a lot, but mainly as my public wine diary - I follow a few friends and wine critics from whom I know their individual scale and what we share and don't share in terms of taste I rarely use the overall scores though, but read through a few of the reviews to get a grip if the 'wine genre'

[@hydenshribby]

Mega geile Video-Idee! Gerne mehr davon! Vielleicht eine Serie drauß machen, in der du populäre Vivino-Weine verkostest? Da können sich viele User mit identifizieren.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Sehr gerne!

[@gerhardweber1331]

This is a good help to choose wine. I llike all the comments of Konstantin in this video. Pretty straight forward, without all the hype and adjectives of usual tastings. I would be interested in a tasting of your favorite wines in the medium budget level. KEEP IT ON!

[@SalvableRuin]

You're a handsome man with a charming accent and listening to you expound eloquently on a fine vintage is unreasonably pleasing.

[@pablobethencourt4550]

7:23 back to day there used to be wine counterfeit ( and now day lol) so it was a kind of protection. in case you opened bottle you have to break net. love your channel! keep it up

[@stroopwafel6141]

Thanks for the post. I am totally into Riesling, so I enjoyed this episode. I shop mainly in Pfalz, Rheinhessen and Nahe, where one can find great value for money. I would love to see you tasting Portugese wines. Great things are happening there, with varieties that are truly unique. And yes, personally I don't take Vivino that serious. Some scores don't make sense.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks for sharing!

[@dio52]

If you folks are ever in California, head further inland and give the Gold Rush country a shot. There's a lot of wineries there going in a different direction from Napa/Sonoma over by the coast. Lots of temperanillo, barbera, viogner. A lot more laid back and affordable than the Napa region as well.

[@DanA-bt7dr]

Entertaining video Konstantin! You make a good point about subjective tastes, I also tend to enjoy reds with more finesse and subtlety whereas a lot of people like bombastic and concentrated reds (and tend to rate them highly). Now do another tasting video, but with critic scores (and maybe some more high end wines)!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

That is also coming up - I promise!

[@jbr7744]

I really enjoy Vivino not only for the notes I can take on wines I've tried, but the system that takes those personalized ratings and then determines if I will like a wine I've never tried. Usually spot on. Also when faced with a wine menu and no familiar wines, it helps to sort out what would be enjoyable at a restaurant. Trick is not to rate everything high. 3.0 is decent, but I wouldn't buy. 3.5 is I would buy again and then goes up from there.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks for sharing!

[@ayresnewsom]

As always GREAT!! Vivino app- I’d give it 3⭐️… meh… It’s most valuable attribute for me is the “My Wines” where I can keep notes. 🍷🍷WHO WANTS TO COLAB ON A GREAT WINE TRACKING APP?!?!🍷🍷 Sorry for that, Konstantin. I just really want a great app for tracking my own wines and tasting notes. Also, I believe the wire cage on Riojas is a carryover from many years ago when unscrupulous tavern owners would buy quality Rioja wine and then refill the bottle with inferior wine and resell it as what was on the label. The producers added the cages to protect their reputations. Also a huge fan myself of Rioja in general. I think it offers tremendous value. I just loved the moment you opened the Marques de Riscal and smiled. Your remark about seeing an old friend really warmed my heart and endeared me even further to the channel. 🥂 Cheers!!

[@FB94121]

Super gutes Video! Finde es toll das du nicht nur sagst es schmeckt nach kokusnus und Schokolade, sondern dass du auch erklärst warum es so ist! Sehr gut für Leute die noch am lernen sind! 😁

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Danke!

[@davidcostello7320]

Another great video and tasting. I like the variety of wines you chose, especially the Austrian SB, something which doesn’t often show up in tastings.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@joecalderone1647]

Enlightening comments. I Use Vivino often to research wines but will not rely on the ratings as much going forward.

[@lukasdaddy8196]

Love your videos, vivino is very flawed due to a massive ammount of incorrect information about wines like grape types and percentages, origins and production methods. I have been checking all the wines that I have tasted and sending them messages about incorrect information that they happily changed, however vivino's greatest strength is also is its greatest weakness. The fact that anyone can write or edit wine information without actually being educated about it. Thank you for your reviews on wines they make me smile. On that note I am off to prepare a wine tasting of my own in the Grand Ambassador Seoul in association with Pullman. Cheers and have a lovely day.

[@jjcarley]

My first video of yours, love it, new fan!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Welcome aboard!

[@robdielemans9189]

First time viewer of your channel. I like the length of this video and the subject. I sometimes use vivino for buying wines. Ratings wise, I use a threshold like only >=4.0 and then if the story of the wine (the pitch) is interesting I drill down on individual reviews to get a feeling if this is one for me. For instance medicinal notes, or menthol, eucalyptus oxidised, metal-y, rubber, petrol like notes is not everyone's cup of tea, but for me it is something that I enjoy a lot (hello Vin Jaune, Chateau Musar white, or 20+ years old Riesling Auslese). So if it is a 4.0+ wine, where the negative reviews are that they didn't like it because of "weird" notes and if the price is nice, then I buy it even without knowing the region, or rarely grape varieties. In short, vivino is only 1 of the tools that I use in wine discovery.

[@miriya99]

Hahaha exactly... Farm yard aromas will also chase away most average drinkers!😂

[@robdielemans9189]

@@miriya99 That's another one that scares away some folk. I'm quite partial to these, which I call room dividers, in Germany they have a beer type called Rauchbier, which is low in alcohol and high in smoke flavours, I haven't yet met anyone who found this type to be just okay, You either like it a lot or you abhor it.

[@marnixvandersande5288]

Absolutely love the video! Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva 2014 is my absolute favourite as beginning wine taster. Pricewise it is just so very good and nice to see a review of the 2016. Great Channel!

[@SageConnel]

I have a bottle of the rioja, 1984 that was gifted to me. Looking forward to trying it!

[@gilejoksimovic3168]

I did some research myself and the results are more interesting than expected. The Vivino score is subjective score and that's how it needs to be interpreted - it's ultimately skewd towards the taste of fans of particular wine. Great video!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@titanmalt5509]

I'm Spanish and a classic rioja lover,prefer viña ardanza over marques de riscal at same prices,love your content Konstantin,cheers!

[@mondarinvino107]

In my local market in US, Ardanza is a bit more expensive than Riscal. I like both wines, sure wish I could buy Ardanza at Riscal prices!

[@titanmalt5509]

@@mondarinvino107 I see,in Spain is more or less the same price,great wines both,you can't go wrong.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

LOVE Vina Ardanza

[@ontheroad579]

@@titanmalt5509 In a famous Spanish online seller, Viña Ardanza costs around 20 euros and Marques de Riscal under 15.

[@smokehousestu9614]

Hi Konstantin, love your videos. I appreciate your analysis of mid range and value wines as these are the only ones I'm likely to buy and it's great to have someone with an experienced refined pallette helping us breakdown these wines and scoring them. Many thanks. I love vivino because I can keep a record of the wines tasted. I do agree that a 100 point scale would be far more revealing, but that's probably why they stick to 5.

[@ethanwoodman1094]

Love your videos, keep up the good work

[@callmeacab]

I agree. Point systems are only valuable if you know the scorer's palate. If I like what that scorer likes, then those points mean something to me. If its just a general sample of people whose tastes can be all over the place, then I feel like it is a good indicator for a retail shop or a restaurant to have confidence that those wines will sell, but that's about it. Then again if the masses on Vivino collectively pan a wine (give it a low score), I feel like I would trust that.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Let's put your last comment to the test :)

[@callmeacab]

@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine how so? Taste test of low scoring wines? I will if you do. :)

[@Chrisinhooo]

Great video, really enjoyed it. Vivino ratings are not of much value, except that 99% of the wines below 3,5 are not worth trying. Also keep in mind, that Vivino is also selling wine themselves. All of their bestsellers I found totally overrated: Scaia Bianco (4,1 at €8,90), Colterenzio Pfefferer (4,3 at €8,99), Masca del Tacco Susumaniello (4,2 at €9,90), Barista Pinotage (4,1 at €8,65). Compared to some well know classics: Louis Jadot Meursault scores 4,2, Guigal Crozes-Hermitage 3,7, Breuer Terra Montosa 4,0, Weil's Gräfenberg 4,0, Fürst's Centgrafenberg 4,1, Keller's von der Fels 4,0. Everybody who knows wine a bit, also knows that no noteable wine will be sold with discounts of 30% or even 20%. After my first year of trying to understand wine, I switched to Cellar Tracker. Instagram also has a good wine community by now (if you ignore the typical influencer types). Would be fun seeing you do a video on the Vivino bestsellers :D The Felino is quite good btw. Worth to give it a second chance.

[@distlledbrewedreviewed]

You provided a lot of information my friend, I loved the video.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Glad you liked it

[@aaoa666]

Really enjoyed this video, first of all! I personally use Vivino to check tasting notes, comments about high acidity/concentration to gauge if it's something I assume would be to my liking. The score itself don't really influence me at all 😅

[@balkodawgie936]

I pretty much like the VIVINO app. Many, if not majority of it’s users are regular people who simply rated the wines based on their taste. That could very well be the honest scores/ratings made by hundreds, if not thousands of people, who actually tasted the wines. The app also gives us added information of the kind of grape, the vineyard/bodegas where the wine came from, etc. But of course, comments by sommeliers, are always very welcome, if only for us to have a better understanding why we enjoy (or didn’t enjoy) the wine that we drink. Big thanks to you, Konstantin!

[@philippedemecheleer2381]

Thank you for another interesting tasting. I restarted tasting wines after a long period and I'm now using Vivino. I think the Vivino score gives you an indication but you cannot trust fully on that score. The more scores a wine has, the more the score is balanced and trustworthy. But always be carefull with the reviews because I see a lot of comments that are assigned to the wrong wine (e.g. a comment on a rosé in the comments list of a red wine of the same winery). I use Vivino to keep track of the wines that I tasted with my personal scores and notes.

[@tylerdegroot8774]

I cross reference Cellar Tracker with Vivino - Cellar Tracker users tend to be a bit fussier/more informed, so if a wine is rated well in both, it’s likely to be at least decent.

[@siegbert_schnoesel]

Sadly, cellar tracker looks like a website from 2005

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

So you are saying I should do a comparison video between CT and Vivino?!

[@peterbooth6753]

@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine that could be fun

[@andersstenlund8248]

Would like to see a video on wine critics. As you mentioned, their score depends on preferences. What does a high or low score from one critic tell you?

[@miriya99]

I just follow wine reviewers whose tastes are similar to mine. You could look up wines you love and wines you hate and follow people who had similar opinions and reasons for them. I like reading wine critics for their educated discussion of a wine more so than a recommendation unless our tastes match.

[@Wahlrusberg]

Like with really any type of reviewer, the good ones have the honesty and skill to recognise something which might not be to their personal taste but can still be well made and a positive for people with different preferences (and visa versa, they can be transparent and admit they are biased when some specific aspect appeals to them where it mightn't be for everyone).

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

I will make another video on scores and will also talk about critics.

[@manulandtime]

Marques de Riscal is one of my favorite wines! I would also recommend Marques de Riscal 150 Ani Gran Reserva D.O.C.a. 2010 - just incredible wine for the money! Great Channel! Thumbs UP!!!!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@chrisanderson4095]

Hi. It may be helpful to talk a little about how the vintage may come into play when buying wine! Thanks, great job.

[@paulmoore4651]

Another great show. We'll done!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks !

[@marceloreis1793]

Thank you for sharing your knwoledge with us beginners. Cheers from Brasil.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@N3ppyZ]

Would be awesome to get a video on eiswein as we're getting closer to the Christmas season. :)

[@davidlittle6621]

New to your channel. Starting to really enjoy it.

[@vinhosnatrifronteira]

I’m a professional sommelier too (in Brasil) and I just use Vivino to catalog and organize the wines that I tast! Just for this 👍

[@dominiquepittet2188]

Same Here. Great library.

[@HaltGrimbow]

I don't particularly use vivino for the scoring aspect. I use it to catelogue wines that I have tried and enjoyed when I am buying them from shops that I don't typically go to or if my sommelier friends bring something obscure to dinner or something.

[@NickGardiner1]

Nice video. Use Vivino mainly to track my own wines I am drinking. Some of the breakdown of the stats are also interesting such as the type of wines you drink regularly, grape varieties etc. The points scale is pretty useless as you always have someone rating against their preference, "This Sauternes is too sweet, I don't like it" etc. But when you follow people you respect their ratings it can be useful. If I see a particular person I know and respect their judgement has rated a wine well I am much more likely to purchase.

[@jeffreyadams648]

Vivino’s scale is to blunt. They ought to make 10 with the possibility of fractions. A 4 for example might contain several 5’s for those who know but lots of 3’s who haven’t a clue.

[@johanneshougaard8045]

It is in reality a 10 point scale as you rate in intervals of .5 ⭐

[@olelarsen9151]

.25 or even .1 increments would be much better. the .5 star increments is one reason why I stopped using it.

[@spirestocksnotification6710]

@@olelarsen9151 WASM rates to the hundredths place for all the reasons discussed on this thread. Pertaining to 19 crimes, WASM scored the 2018, 19 Crimes Cab at 77.50; the lowest possible score in that model, basically a zero, not even worth $5 with a negative QVR score of -236.49% which is very bad. A positive QVR% means the wine is worth the price. In WASM, a decent wine should make it to 10 seconds with mouthfeel lasting in the overall development, 19 crimes barely made it to 7 seconds. Usually, any wine that doesn't make it to 6 seconds shouldn't be sold. There was zero bouquet and no structure/body. 13.5 ABV for a dry red wine, especially a Cab shouts out to me, not worth it

[@javierel22]

I use Vivino a lot for taking notes of the wines i've tasted, but i don't really trust its 1-5 star rating because it feels quite limited and price-biased a lot of times. For example I just tried the other day a fumeé sauvignon blanc from France with a 3.7 rating that was so much better than most of the 3.9-4.0 white whites i've tasted. The 100 point score is way more precise. Great video, greetings from Argentina!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you!

[@hadeangelis8946]

I love bodega borsao! Their Garnacha is a great value for $9, one of my go to Spanish bottles

[@martinbronkhorst521]

Did you return the oxidized bottle? Or is returning wines only allowed for more dire faults such as obvious cork taint? Loved the video, interesting concept to rate popular vivino wines. Would love to see a part 2!

[@ChristopheLimpalair]

Vivino gave me a credit for a cork that was leaking recently, but they requested picture proof. So I'm pretty sure they would not in his case. (Worth a try though)

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks! No, I did not in this case... More coming for sure!

[@TravelAddictGuy]

Luckily I currently live in Spain and I have seen that Rioja, but have never tried it. Now I will very soon, thanks to your video.

[@Peip692]

great concept for a video, would like to see more

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks! Will do!

[@robertallair7278]

Another excellent video! I had never even heard of Vivino until now. I have downloaded the app and will give it a try. Mr. Baum, I would be very grateful if you could devote a future episode to “tannins”. When I first became interested in wine decades ago I learned that tannin is a component of wine that comes from seeds and stems. Nowadays wine writers always refer to “tannins” (plural), and their often florid descriptions of a wine’s tannins make me think that they can’t be talking about the same thing.

[@miriya99]

Tannins also come from skins and oak.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Interesting topic for sure!

[@Alex-vg3wz]

Good job testing vivino, now we can choose from your validation. I used vivino to see what people opinion is before I buy, majority of the time is overrated to my test. Also in my case I make my own wine, so had chance to try a lot of wine produced by other enthusiasts, so the wine i was buying before is not quite taste as good as before.

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

Vivino is a very strange place. As is the wine world. I like that it translates that craziness. And that you don't need any login to get the info. Case in point: the crazy price some wines go by. Example 1 Chateau Pétrus vs Chateau La Fleur-Pétrus vs Chateau LaFleur-Gazin This wineries sit less than 200m from each other and the vines themselves are a criss-cross pattern around a 20ha square yet the final products cost respectively (for the last vintage the 3 are available in Vivino, 2013) 3k, 384 and 80 euros. I've been moving the content of each of this bottles from one to the other and making blind tastings a couple of times per year with some friends that are highly respected somms in NYC and they keep rating the LaFleur-Gazin as the best of the three!!! And they get so happy when they realized they've chosen the Petrus bottle. For them its just "ooooooh, I knew it! This is unmistakable." Every year I promise myself I'm going to tell them about this charade but I just can't bring myself to tell them: its like telling a child there's no Santa. But this is going for 8 years now. Example 2 Porto Vintage Quinta do Noval Nacional vs Porto Vintage Quinta do Noval Silval vs Porto Vintage Quinta do Silval (Magalhães) Again. The first goes for over 1k, the second 100 and the third can be had at 50 euros, the first two are from the same winery, the third from one just 500m away from Quinta do Noval In facy: vines from Quinta do Noval go around Quinta do Silval. In Vivino Quinta do Noval Silval and Magalhães have around the same ratings than the more expensive Noval Nacional. And again, I've been mixing this 3 brands vintages for 8 years at the same gathering in NYC and every single time the Magalhães Port wins (inside a bottle of Noval Nacional, ofcourse). That's how deranged the wine market it: people will give so much value to something just because it sits on someone famous/rich and by trying to emulate that suddenly there's no connection between the intrinsic value and the market value.

[@miriya99]

You are hilarious, please invite me to your parties😂

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Interesting experiments!

[@spirestocksnotification6710]

You are a genius, yes wine is highly suggestive, so always recommend blind tastings when possible, but soon you are going to have to reveal or better yet, get non-somms to participate in same approach/method that don't know what to expect from a particular bottle/name. Since 1976, Stags Leap has never had to worry about selling wine. Reputation and notoriety and marketing, unfortunately go along way especially in the subjective wine industry. Doesn't have to be that way, but soooo sooo many somms say that is the way we always did it. Somm 3 documentary gave all the necessary insight into why the whole linear integer rating systems is flawed; a subjective score on top of head using integer will result in a tie every time as did here with the 90s scores

[@lawrencebland8933]

The origin of the mesh on some bottles of Rioja was to discourage conterfeiting. Probably just an image thing now as each bottle carries an electronic tag, which is colour coded. The colours used depend upon the ageing of the wine.

[@Frendh]

I don't drink wine but I still found this interesting. I really enjoy it when people find products that are good but not expensive.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks!

[@rjhenry4892]

Great video! I tend to use Vivino as a guideline, not gospel... it can help make quicker, but semi-informed choices when you might have 50 options for a particular varietal. Wines that are up to $10 3.5+ is potentially worth a try, $10-20 I am looking for 3.8 and above and I will read a few of the lower score reviews to see what they felt was wrong and reference top tasting notes, $20+ I look for 4.0+ and will read some of the more detailed reviews and if there are professional reviews will look at that. Cheers!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you! And thanks for sharing.

[@charliezhang4586]

I have the same conclusion as yours so strongly agree with you! Cheers!

[@markfischer3626]

I am a Vivino customer and IMO this is the ONLY place to buy wine. I could not be happier. I sold off a moderately large cellar of mostly great Bordeaux from great vintages based on high scores fom James Suckling and Robert Parker. I much prefer the flavors of California cabernet sauvignon based wines. For me these are the greatest wines and the greatest values in the world. Every one I bought from Vivino was a winner. No other wine from any other region in the world was so consistently pleasing to me. It matches my preferred flavor profile perfectly. My price range is 20 to 35 dollars. I value the ratings of other tasters on the site.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks for sharing you experiences!

[@markfischer3626]

@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine Here is just one example of countless thousands of competitors from California for my money. IMO nobody comes close to beating wines like these for QPR (quality price ratio) www.vivino.com/beau-vigne-napa-valley-cabby-cabernet-sauvignon/w/4137119?year=2017&change_ship_to_country_code=us&change_ship_to_state_code=nj&merchant_id=28108&pid=21363697&prefill_token=kgb4.3mdzX2LuN_SS30LVrXXBptJFmY7AwTv2qEFYCsxbCVmxlNas6HdIYYrKqn_knVRY81KWFSs&price_id=21363697&vid=154446737&vintage_id=154446737 Orders over $150 get free shipping in the United States. For a few dollars more they'll pack it in ice, perfect for the hot weather. You can see there is a code at the top for a $21 discount for orders over $150. They have frequent discounts and sales. They sell wines from practically everywhere. If they don't have a wine you want and can't get it they might suggest alternative sources. Everything is very well packaged, virtually no chance of damage and of course they always throw in a free sommelier's wine opener. Personally I prefer using the rabbit which is very easy to use. If there is a problem customer care is excellent.

[@miriya99]

Yes - Vivino is 95% California Cab Sauv lovers like yourself😂 I love a good CS (Buena Vista might be my fav with excellent QPR), but for a lot of us wine is a thinking experience as much as tasting so naming CA CS your be all end all is like saying you'll only read Moby Dick for the rest of your life because it's the best!😉

[@markfischer3626]

@@miriya99 Everyone should enjoy the pleasures in life in their own way. For me wine is purely a sensory experience. Some is very good, some are bad and most are awful. I like CalCabs because the good ones give me the most enjoyment. IMO they are very reasonably priced especially from Vivino and buying on line is very convenient. I've got over $300 worth in my cart right now. Paso Robles is also a high QPR region. I can't tell you how many times I was disappointed by Bordeaux because of the tannins. I might not have lived long enough for them to be ready to drink. A friend of mine said he had given up on Bordeaux and switched to California instead. I had to agree and did the same. I drank some memorable wines from various regions around the world but it was always hit or miss. I keep refocusing on the fact that wine merchants are in business to sell wine, I NEVER trust their opinion or advice. I learned some of their games. Suckling and Parker didn't always agree and even when they did their descriptions were so different you wouldn't know they were talking about the same wine. The consensus of opinion of other customers is the best reviewers I can find. That's why I'm invariably happy with Vivino purchases.

[@miriya99]

@@markfischer3626 For sure Californian vintners work hard to smooth out those tannins! I also love that you can be sure most will be quite good on release. And there is such a vast market for Cabs that prime land and good winemaking practices are not wasted from an economic perspective, so good QPR is def easier to come by! I agree with you that most mid range and up CA cabs will not disappoint, but personally I'd get bored if that was more than a small portion of what I drink. Nothing wrong with drinking what you know you'll like though!!

[@jlozano2014]

The problem with vivino is you have people rating great cheap wines low compared to incredible expensive wines. And the opposite holds true, some people have only tried cheaper wines and haven't had a 93 point plus wine ever.

[@EricZeak]

If only they knew how good wine can be.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Yes, this was my impression too.

[@calvinso2601]

Hi, where can I buy the glass bottle stoppers?

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

They come with the bottle from Tement

[@hellboyberry]

My first video of yours I've watched, but I'll be back for more. Thanks! Just for your knowledge the original reason wire nets were added to some Riojas is that Spain used to have major problem with bottle tampering (back at the turn of the last century I think (but don't quote me on that one)) so Riscal started added nets so no one could produce counterfeit labels for non Riscal wine or tamper with Riscal's bottles. Therefore the public, in theory, would know that if their wine had the wire net it was a genuine bottle. Nowadays I think it has just become a bit of a "mark" of Rioja - but there are no rules or regulations as to which wines are allowed to have nets and which are not.

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thanks!

[@JammaLamma]

My method for buying wine is going to my local Grocery Outlet and picking the ones that are almost sold out. Also every Malbec from Argentina with the exception of one has been good to excellent.

[@sommeliermicheleorbolato9896]

Amazing video, great content!!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Appreciate it!

[@benhall9321]

Interesting and informative video as always. It would be terrific to see you taste and comment on some higher end Aussie wines, especially wines which are NOT made from Shiraz grapes sourced from the Barossa or McLaren Vale (not to mention the more generic ‘South Eastern Australia’ GI!). Australian wine has so much more to offer than these styles of wine, although I appreciate they may be hard to find in Europe. Would love to see you taste a high end Margaret River Cabernet Sauvignon or Blend, Yarra Valley Chardonnay, cooler climate Shiraz / Syrah from Victoria or Canberra, and / or Pinot Noir from Tasmania or Victoria.

[@miriya99]

Hunter Valley Semillon! ❤

[@benhall9321]

@@miriya99 an aged Semillon from the Hunter - absolutely. 👍

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Thank you! I have travelled through Australia really like the wines.

[@MitchRasmussen-w2b]

I wish Vivino would have an additional scoring system using wine professionals. When they sent me a questionnaire I suggested that. What I’ve noticed is people will rate a particular wine style that they don’t even care for to begin with. It would be like rating a particular type of food that you don’t like. With a sommelier or other wine professional they would be scoring the representation of the particular wine variety.

[@Rudy0stefmeister]

'South East Australia' probably refers to the Murray Riverland, which is the largest producing region by litres but is usually quite irrigated and doesn't have the prestige of the Barossa or Hunter Valleys

[@mcbley]

Was ein Kanal 😍 weiter so!

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Danke!

[@danielruiz900]

Hey! What do you mean when you say concentration, and what's the difference to power?

[@TheOnicov]

He is referring to the intensity of the aromas either on the nose or on the palate - simply put, how strongly you can smell the various aromas (red fruit, black fruit, oak and maturation if applicable etc) and how strongly you can taste these in your mouth. A higher quality wine will tend to have a longer finish as well so after you swallow you can still taste these aromas lingering in your mouth (easy to confuse with high tannins or high alcohol)

[@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine]

Nicholas nailed it.

[@ryaneldonholmbeck3525]

Riscal is a banger. It's something I always pour for novice wine drinkers who want an entry point into Rioja. Very classic style, and not gonna break the bank.