SMITE'S GOD DESIGN (And How It's Gotten Worse)

My thoughts/ideas on how smite's god design has changed since release.
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[@Inters3ct]

I don't mind waiting 10 weeks for a well designed God that brings something new to the game, 10 weeks for Chernobog though? How did they make Bellona and Amaterasu on a 4 week cycle and yet it took them 10 weeks to release Chernobog?

[@MastYT]

Different designers back then. Yeah, Chernobog's a huge disappointment

[@Inters3ct]

It's just clear now that time isn't the issue, it's something deeper than 'we rushed this God out so he feels bad'.

[@JorgeLopez-lc1or]

Not to mention they basically took the AMC model, and made a demon skin for it, and called it a new god

[@ionutmakzimum9465]

Amaterasu is such a boring character. A damage reduction as an ability. Thats just lame. Chernobog not only looks better but haves an interesting kit. Nobody complained about changé ( boring character apart for the passive) but they do for this guy. I feel like u guys just have to complain.

[@ionutmakzimum9465]

or thanatos

[@swordcoastboys9000]

We don't need better balance or interesting gods, we need more demon e robot skins. Did you notice that some gods DON'T have demon skins!?

[@Mesjach]

Outrageous!

[@wolfshocker1]

chucks gone so we wont get the demon skins now :[

[@mrnjns799]

Dovahslayer h3h3 aproves

[@Lucas-SoJesusSalva]

Sword Coast Boys omg finally a sane comment over here

[@danielskora7798]

Well, after Chuk went to Paladins team it looks like the new designer is trying to fill his boots and we're getting generic anime demon skins every patch :v Chuk at least put effort in making skins that differ from each other and without him we're getting white haired crystal-pierced skinny pale dudes all the time :?

[@edmcg7152]

You bring up some good points but this video to me feels extremely biased. Hear me out because I think your only looking at one side of the story AND your looking at individual gods which isnt really fair because a one off god from each class isnt representative of how most gods are. I'm gonna start with the warriors because I think that was the one that really stood out to me as where we differ on opinion. I think that achilles is actually way more focused than vamana. He is similar to osiris in the idea that he is designed around drawn out solo lane fighting, he has decent aoe and sustain allowing him to fight and his ult (while underutilised) is literally the coup de gras, your winning the fight?? ---> execute. Your losing??---> get out. Vamana on the other hand is really all over the place, he has chase down tools in his 1 and 3, but his ult is terrible at finishing the job without itemising specifically for it. His kit is a mess of chase down and disengage tools with not enough of the former to actually do much. And you said that Achilles is harder to balance then vamana. that just doesnt seem right to me, Achilles is CURRENTLY more unbalanced but thats coz he's new, vamana has been struggling for 2-3 seasons despite a plethera of different metas and buffs. I think the Mages are very hard to compare because they are very different. But i understand your point about discordia being braindead and easy to play. Well first of all, some gods are always gonna be easier or harder to play irrespective on when they were released. I'd say the easiest character in the game to play is probably neith (I know everyone is gonna have their own pick but can we just accept neith is easy to play). She has one of the longest and simplest wave clear / CC / line abilities in the game, she has an escape, an unmissable, global ult. Self sustain and a really braindead pair of combos (3,2 & 3,1). Saying a god is easy is a really unfair criticism. As for Discordia being a one-track god with the 2-1 combo, that's a fair point but thats also not new, scylla has been out for ages and she's the exact same. Discordia's issues aren't with design, sure she's frustrating but that's because she's GOOD at what she's meant to do. Again how can you say she's not focused, her ENTIRE kit is focused on disrupting the enemy team (which is good thematically aswell), personally i think her stars from her 1 are a bit unecessary but they sporadically do ranged damage, her 2 (the main reason people hate her) is easy aoe CC and disruption (its a bitch to play against but some gods are (get over it because it has a drawback, she has to play reasonable closer than most mages (sure its not that close but just being closer range and still relevant in the meta is something most mages aren't)), her 3 is a stealth that facilitates her other disruption tools by reducing the cooldown and also is an escape that doesnt just disengage but disrupts the enemy teams thinking process as they decide whether or not to try and find her. And her ult is a giant heartbomb-excavate combination that send the enemy team into a panic. You said there weren't any noteable Discordia players, well first off she's new so there hasn't been much time, second of all she's never had a chance to be a dominant mage pick and thirdly thats just wrong because if you watch the spl around her release in season 4, PrettyPrime for Obey has notably way more success with her than anybody else. A fact that the casters do tend to bring up when talking about PrettyPrime despite the fact he is famous for playing many gods at a high level (e.g Raijin, The Morrigan and Vulcan) Got be honest your Stat dots on the mages seem really off. "balancability" , this one is possibly the worse arguement in the video, discordia is really well balanced whereas kukulkan is one of the worst mages in the game and really far out of the meta which is saying something because smite is a game where a suprisingly high number of gods are viable. "Glabal presence", sure with the passive discordia has a bit, but frankly at least kuku can shoot an ult over a wall and use it from far away. "Damage immunity", am i missing something, what damage immunity does Discordia have over kuku. Kuku is liked because he has a satisfying hit ult, he's pubstompy, he's a "classic/old" god and because people like to play non-meta gods. Discordia has a combo that is really easy to hit and has a very low cooldown, and that is frustrating as an enemy to play against of course but that isnt just a thing from smite, thats something that every MOBA, every game has. to act like that was poor god design is an insult. She has drawbacks that were designed to not make the combo broken, if you want the low cooldown you commit your escape and her early game is worse than most mages specifcally so that the combo damage doesnt get out of hand. I dislike "leftclick".... i mean "sol", because she's braindead but I still think she's decently designed. Not every character is going to be exciting but they should be somewhat unique which discordia definitely is. Daji, i half agree, her ult is a bit bullshit, BUT ---i think she would be way less frustrating if she didnt leap of her palao but rather just descended with it. The thing is though, your arguement as too why you dislike discordia and why you like dislike Da Ji. I accept that Daji can mix up the order of her skills a bit more but the ult gives here something that does facilitate what she wants to do, which is destroy that one target especially when they get slightly out of range. but it also gives her the ability to initiate, I personally agree that palao goes a little too far and gives her a little too much but it is wrong to say the kit is unfocused, it just has extra things it can do, when you see a daji you still think that "hmm, she's gonna try and dive the back line and all in one character and then get out). I completely understand your complaint with the god but your only looking at the negative sides of the new god. Lets look at bastet. Bastet and daji are very similar in the idea they dive in, deal damage, and get out. But bastet does aoe damage whereas daji has lock down and does it to one target. First complaint, bastet's "combo" (I use that word loosely) of leaping in and dropping everything before leaping out, is even more braindead then discordia, u dont even have to stay near them, you can just let the tick damage and cats kill the god for you. And secondly, while bastet has a purpose she is FAMOUSLY known for doing things she wasnt orignally designed for: Split pushing. At least Da Ji ult is used mostly for its intended purpose, when you think bastet you think split push before you think of what she actually brings with the leap in, dump, leap out combo. I agree that daji palao gives her too much, but i couldnt disagree more with the idea that gods aren't being designed with a speciric purpose or role, that's bullshit. Particularly because of the examples you chose. With the guardians first off, think you shouldve compared against cerberus not artio because artio is not ur traditional guardian because she stance swaps, not really a good comparison. I will say that artio is the first God where i agree she's got FUNDAMENTAL problems that mean she's not good at support, BUT artio ISNTa support, from day one everyone said she's be better in solo. When cerb was released people said maybe he'll be a good solo, same with kuzenbo (and they are better solo's than supports) but the minute artio came out there was no debate, everyone said she was designed for solo lane. Thats like saying Freya has a shit design for mid lane, she can definitely play mid (has done in the spl many times) but she was still designed to b an adc. But Artio does have a focus like you mentioned, but i think saying its a bad one is unfair. She is designed to damage and CC a large area over a long time, again its not very fun to play against but againt thats just CC heavy characters for you. Personally i hate artio to play or play against but that doesnt mean i think she lacked disgn focus. The design team new what they where doing, Artio has a load of CC but no displacment or "walls" or something to isolate gods from teammates which is something most guardians have, she can stop you escaping but not control where you decide to go. Most other guardians have displacement abilities: Sobek pluck. Khepri abduct, Athena taunt, Xing Ult, Ares Ult, Cerberus Ult, Sylvanus Pull, Kuzenbo Push and Ult, ymir wall, cabrakan ult, ganesha ult, terra wall (this ones a stretch), Kumba Ult (isolate 1 character), Bacchus belly flop (isolate 1 or 2characters), That is literally every guardian other than artio and fafnir who is even pretty good at isolating a character witht the 1 and 3. ARtio can CC everyone but that means that everyone stays and fights, she really has a hard time singling someone out because her AOE effects multiple people encouraging multiple people to turn and fight. Artio isnt a traditional guardian, same as cabrakan and hence she is more often picked in solo which is honestly more her style. She is a stance switcher so she lacks a big guardian ult so she was never gonna be the best support so they designed her more like a solo god and guess what.. she's a good solo lane god, yes she's shit from behind but thats fine because she's solo lane and gets a lot of farm. And again your not criticising the old god, as a support sobek is again a braindead combo bot, he plucks, he uses his 2 to seperate the plucked god even further and then he ults to make it undesirable for anyone to try and reach the plucked target. Sure you can say his 1,2 and 4 can also be used for peel but then so can discordia 2 and 4. And yes he brings antiheal and teamfight disruption but then discordia brings an ally buff and teamfight disruption. Your being biased about who your criticising.

[@edmcg7152]

I also think hachi is the best god design for a long time, he's satisfying and fun to play while also being unique. But thats i think is more a comment on how good the design of hachi is, not how bad anyone elses is. I still think that chernobog is focused but that he lacks creativity as his 2,1 combo is a ranged version of terra root combo, or nuwa minion combo and his ult is similar to athena ult. My issue is that his focus is that he is copying another gods role. He is apollo but better, a hunter that can defend himself and also rotate to teamfights quicker than any other hunter.

[@marvmarvellous8720]

Also I get the feeling that Mast is subjectively seperating good gods from bad ones. Like low skill cap gods are worse than the ones who are hard to play. I think it is a good thing to have a variety in the skill which is acquired to play a certain god.

[@ztopper09]

Discordia has damage immunity in her 3 with her "leap"

[@72pinkush]

dude im sorry i can't finish reading this but i promise i will continue later on

[@edmcg7152]

ztopper09 oh yeah, fair enough. Forgot about that

[@johnx140]

HEY and what about ganesh? He is a amazing god that was released recently!

[@ztopper09]

Johnx140 pretty sure hes almost two years old

[@rappturephoenix9737]

Ganesh is the best support imo. A support who's main focus is to actually support lol

[@joshuamyers6840]

Ganesha has only been out since fall S4

[@ztopper09]

Joshua Myers nah were both wrong april 25th 2017

[@MastYT]

Ganesh is cool, he's definitely unique vs other supports

[@simi104]

Mast: I love sober 1 -2 combo Also Mast: I hate Discordia is 1-2 combo, literally brain-dead

[@TheIndieBin1]

Sorry Mast, but I don't entirely agree with your point of Discordia vs KKK/Ao Kuang. You complained that Discordia as an obvious combo: that's what mages are about. Scylla's 1+2 is a combo, Vulcan's 3+1, Zhong's 1+2. Mages are built with ability combos in mind that limit their flow of damage, since their damage is naturally VERY high and their predictability helps keep them balanced. I agree Discordia's design is messy; the 2 is quite the larger area and her CC is aggravating, but HiRez's God design is naturally going to shift over time. People complain about bloated kits and I understand that for sure. But Da Ji's ultimate is at least interesting! Bastet cats are quite plain and I've never seen them be all that effective, especially during late game. HiRez needs to find a mix between being creative and being clever with their God design.

[@ivobril4445]

I get your point but imo Da Ji ult is one of the least interesting ones since Ares has pretty much the same ult only he does not have to aim. And Bastet cats are most effective on very high level. The best junglers in the world can predict enemy movement and know the map very well and thus can use them in such a way that they will body block enemies in a corner so she and the rest of the team can destroy the enemy.

[@gentlefishy608]

Couldn't agree more! ^ @Indie Bin

[@RedDragonFlayer]

Indie Bin Im not trying to dis your point but I think that if your comparing there kits, discordia has a huge area hard cc ability that's harder to dodge compared to that of zhong(stun requires to be up close), scylla(linear root that at max ranked can hit multiple if nearby),and vulcan(knock up).basicly what I'm trying to say is discordia takes less skill to combo off with compared to those mentioned. In all honesty discordia really isn't a problem with her kit if any mage is a problem it would be thoth and how safe he is to play while dealing a lot of damage (a long dash and stun,projectiles that hit though walls and Insta clear wave,a ult that 1 shots through walls)and not very fun to play against

[@bronzewaffle2310]

Looking at the mages the only ones who don’t have a set combo are ao kuang, ra, sol, and maybe freya. Agreed with you indie

[@randalljolla]

Ivo Bril Bastets ult is trash in late game and she falls off heavy. Bastet is pure early game god and if she ahead she would wreck but once everyone catch up. It’s over

[@Skay.]

You know why it's happening? Because they push themselves to release a god every month. This was also happening in league back in the day when they released a champion once every 3 weeks.

[@enthyx2573]

Grzegorz Fedkiewicz Agreed, Achilles just came out and you can already play Chernobog on the PTS? They should just take their time and actually make interesting gods, rather then releasing them so close to each other..

[@albinodarkrai7014]

Sander Prevoo Achilles came out 3 (maybe 4) patches ago. Chernabog has been in development for a while. They stopped doing the 1 god a month deal ever since Ganesha iirc.

[@philipkenakin7804]

It's been 2-3 months at least

[@Skay.]

Philip Kenakin yeah but its because they will pump out more gods faster now

[@dragonerra6277]

The 3 new gods are being released 3 patches apart so roughly a month and a half apart so baron samedi will be in patch 5.11

[@apocalypt397]

They are just dumming the game down. First they buff Izanami so that her ult is easier to hit (the same time a new skin for her comes out). Now her ult does almost instant damage. In the next patch they nerv her ults damage, so now you can hit it, but there is no point avoiding it because it does so little damage.

[@Jinny-Wa]

Yeah, used to be hard to land with great dmg. Now it's quick spit to taunt the enemy lol

[@randalljolla]

Jin- cool design, shit damage. Even at max level it does nothing

[@tagteamduelist1686]

I don't think that means they dumbed her down... I think that just means they nerfed her too hard.

[@richardkomendanchik3743]

Izanami ult is one of the hardest hitting burst ults in the game, it won't do as much as say anhur ult if he hits all of it or hou yi ult if people stay in it but that quick burst of 620 damage plus 100% power scaling is kinda nuts, she hits hard. Where izanami is let down is her crappy dash

[@edmcg7152]

Its more that they made it easier to hit which is y they had to take the damage down. Most people wouldve prefered it being a little harder to hit but way more rewarding. Feels like she got nerfed because she was too "difficult"

[@dragontyron]

"Who's known for Discordia" is not something we can answer now because she's still too new. Not a lot of people even play her at that level; the only person I remember who's shown up regularly with her is Keegsmate.

[@yourlord1263]

dragontyron Pretty Prime in season 4? And Venenu did amazing on her at the smite championship.

[@dragontyron]

There's a lot of cases where they pick her into a team comp and she performs well. Just recently Wlfy had a great game on her. It's not quite the same as a player being known for a particular god, like St3alth and his Kukulkan/Scylla.

[@yourlord1263]

dragontyron Yeah I get what you mean

[@kyle9401]

Holy crap. You hit the nail on the head here. This video is important. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

[@sebastianley5779]

But hey, now we’ve got Baron Samedi and life’s never been better

[@dougdimmadabs5001]

They have gotten lazy with making god abilities. Before daji the abilities were unique and maybe 1 or 2 gods felt kinda the same. But now it's "hey whats the next edge lord god can we rush, and who's abilities and passives haven't we mashed together?" Now they're rushing 3 new pantheons and haven't even finished celtic yet.

[@tagteamduelist1686]

CaptainMonkeyTV idk... I am a guy of variety and combo, it's like saying that beef doesn't make a good burger. Just because I can make steak doesn't mean that I shouldn't make a burger. I'm just saying it's still good to mix in the right things and keep it something new and fresh.

[@thegreattsan]

I dont agree with you, most abilities in smite are the same line projectile, the same aoe, the same cone, the same dash, etc. The last thing unique I remember was Skadi's ice or maybe Iza's auto attacks.

[@khanman9146]

thegreattsan Genesh?

[@Demon_of_Razgriz]

thegreattsan Da Ji's dash makes sure you face your target no matter your orientation, which is pretty unique for dashes that you don't have to reorient yourself.

[@Kizen.]

CaptainMonkeyTV They haven't finished any of the pantheons. They included Sun Wukong which isn't even an actual god in chinese beliefs. So by that logic, just about anything that could fit as a god in beliefs for any of the mythology is warranted to be a release.

[@pipedreambomb]

Sobek is my favourite god, so it makes me sad whenever I think "they're never going to release another Sobek, are they"? Did you know Achilles has CCR on his 2? Of course you didn't, the rest of his kit is so bloated that you read it the first time and instantly forgot. I don't even know what half of Artio's bonus stats are. Does she have anti heal? Maybe! Do any of her six abilities slow you? I think at least one, but it might be two or more. The only basic god that came out last year was my second favourite god, Kuzenbo. His simplicity seems to have bored Hi-Rez almost as soon as he came out, because he hasn't really been viable in Conquest at any point of his Smite career, and rarely if ever gets buffed.

[@edmcg7152]

This is weird coz i completely agree with ur point but COMPLETELY disagree with all your examples. You got me, i didnt know about achilles 2 but thats more to do with it being a dull ability. I like your point about bloated kits but ur example is poor because achilles' kit isnt that bloated imo. Kits can be super complex but that doesnt mean they feel bloated, e.g zhong kui (for clarifcation i dont think zhong feels bloated but he is complex): 1: line ability, that also ticks, that also slows 2: Deals damage, does a % of the 1 damage early, stacks from enemies that were hit by the 1, heals. 3: stuns, does a % of the 1 damage early, gives an extra basic attack that does 50% damage, basic attack goes when 3 is on cooldown (admitedly they removed this) 4: ok his ult is pretty simple Despite all this i do agree, cerberus feels especially bloated. Also i get that u dont know what artio does but she doesnt do much anything particularly fancy, its just theres 6 abilities and granted i know her passive is that she shred protections but idk what her ult does. BUT then i also dunno what hel or ullr ult's passive and ults do either . Also kuzenbo has been buffed like 4 or 5 times bro, where u been?? he's still being buffed now in the last patch.

[@iProphetGG]

Complains about Artio having a slow, Kumhakarna single handedly determines a fight. Lol

[@run4walk]

Artio has damage, a self heal, a team heal, 2 slows, a root, protection shred, power reduction, self movespeed and MP5 buff, a dash, a cripple and a stun. There's plenty to complain about

[@jeffraiche1]

Rodney T Kumbha has a better team fight than artio? That's hilarious.

[@pipedreambomb]

Ed McG I see your point about Zhong, I actually didn't know all that about his kit, thanks. But I do think those are just different ways his damage gets applied and aren't that complicated, they don't have bonus effects (except the slow). Kuzenbo has been touched a few times, you're right, just never enough. I've only seen him in the SPL once, when CaptainTwig played him in the jungle! I do like the latest change, making him less focused on reflect damage and more about pushing people. The push is the reason I play him. It's fun, satisfying and occasionally deadly around the right allies.

[@clownnightmare113]

Kinda feel like you’re saying just because gods have a lower skill cap some how makes them worse?

[@nikkis.2066]

Little late on chiming in on this topic. Big backstory Incoming. Smite has been one of my favorite multiplayer games in a long time. For starters I LOVE Gods, Deities and the mythos behind the different pantheons of religions & cultures... so from the get-go, Smite was gonna have it's hooks into me. I grew up on original DOTA from the Warcraft 3 online, though I sucked terribly at it and didn't understand ANY of it xP. Over time, I did and I got into League of Legends before the sheer toxicity, bad balancing and WAY too many Heroes released way too quickly (imo). So when I got a hold of Smite on PC early on and then Beta for Consoles, I was immensely enthralled by every facet of the game. A great backdrop for the characters we play as, with a TON of Lore & mythos backing them up, visually impressive & satisfying abilities for practically everyone, the skins were REALLY well done and actually fair on obtaining (smaller chest sizes so you actually could get what you wanted.) I played off & on for many years. Medusa, Serqet, Fenrir, Hades & Cabrakan being my all-time favorites since getting comfortable with the game, though I strive to try to play as many Gods as possible. I took a LONG break from Smite, mostly because I wanted to play with people I knew and my BF & one friend at a time, played....once our relationships/friendships ended, I just kinda moved on to other things. Well, a couple days ago I just re-installed and booted it back up, mostly for some fun to enjoy multiplayers games and to get my current partner in on it with me. Been replaying Gods that I used to play as well as give other ones a try for the first time! Been playing a lot of Kali, Cupid & Amaterasu ( a personal favorite for her subdued kit & playstyle) However, it has been a long time since playing Smite. Right when I started to play less & less until I eventually stopped altogether, Izanami & Camazotz were the last Gods to have been released. Well, it's been a quick favorite game of mine again, though it's not all perfect. In fact getting used to playing with & against the newer Gods has been a bit hit & miss. Currently I had a highly annoying encounter with Artio, as you explained & displayed...she is a VERY annoying Gods to contend with. Had a match ( as Kali) where Artio would just chain CC and interrupt/hamper during every team fight, dragging it out at times to unbearable degrees ( ba-dum-pish) but despite that... we kept winning & eventually won the game itself, but my Gods was it un-fun to have the game seemingly artificially dragged out. Sure other Gods can & have done with as well, but not to the frequency in such short amount of time. The other God I've had issues with ( in terms of design & execution) is Da Ji. Simply put, I feel she has TOO much in her kit. Getting a stacking Bleed passive, a fire dot debuff ( which she applies to all she hits aka entire team), built in movement speed, haste & immunity to slows/knockups AND damage reduction while having a teleport ON TOP of her Ultimate doing what it does? I mean, I feel she's a bit too easy to pull off such high & wide damage potential, while being hard to lock down or kill without possibly trading a 2-1 or even a 3-1 in Da Ji's favor. Like, I LOVE playing Assasin's, Serqet & Kali being big favorites of mine... but Da Ji I feel was given way too much and it bugs me, even having a Da Ji teammate feels frustrating when you want to do good & play as favorite Gods but have to do so much more to safely get kills or when you can safely engage enemies/teams.... while Da Ji honestly, often gives no fucks. Long story short, I LOVE Smite, still do and intend to continue playing the game....just frustrated that it feels like a lil bit of the focus of the Gods is off and that at times, newer Gods just push out some of the ones that came before them...which is the BIGGEST weakness & con I have with MOBA games.... like how often do you see a Bakasura, Awilix or Ratatoskr filling the Assassin role? Sorry, a bit ranty despite having the intention to love & support the game.

[@Kizen.]

Here's where I rant a bit and disagree with quite a bit. While you may feel the focus isn't there, or X and Y is to easy, let me show you the bias. Bellona, the only warrior in the history of smite to have the longest time in the limelight, over many, many, many seasons, broken at release and made every recent warrior look like garbage. Nike? Nobody uses her and she has terrible damage but good sustain. Loki, one of the very old gods, who gets a bleed, damage resistance, slow resistance, movement speed stim and invisibility all in one ability. Gets a damage immune tower diving tool that deals high damage. Has another damage stim. Has a teleporting ultimate that deals insanely high damage to a single target, is cc immune and a blink, low skill floor, good skill ceiling. Hercules, a god who makes squishies not exist, has had the most disgusting heals in the game since release. Has an ultimate that easily can deal 1K+ damage to low defense targets, has a pull, has an on demand stun and knockback, gets damage from being hurt. Their focus? I guess Bellona is kinda focused on picking out a hunter, and buffing her team with her ult so they can move on. But that's the closest thing to focus in her kit, she lacks "hard" CC save for her ult. I guess. Hercules lacks a leap so he can't escape. Cool. He has to commit, but has many ways to make sure his commitment is safe so he can seem like a hyper tanky faceroller. Mentioning Cerberus would have hurt your validity in what you feel the team has done, but in honesty, the game hasn't changed as much as you think it did, save for giving more interesting things to a character. It's fun to play cerberus, and he is by no means easy, because he has awful winrates at almost any tier of gameplay barring diamond and above. Because he is unique and fits a unique role, a magic warrior essentially, with lots of harass, and he has all the tools to suggest it, and make it clear he has a 2-1combo, or a 3-4-1-2 combo. Commitment for a potential kill, which, Tyr has, Herc has, etc. Do we need to talk about Odin? Who wants to bomb his enemies, and makes it so he has no escape, but he has an ult that debuffs and traps any enemy? And he has a 3 that slows hard as hell? And he gets many boosts from anyone dying? Ever? You can claim the focus is gone, but by no means are the new gods easier, worse, or better than the old gods. The old gods are just as annoying to deal with. Everybody hates a good khepri or fafnir. Everybody hates a good Osiris or Ravana. Everybody hates a good Chang'e. Everybody hates Loki period. Everybody hates an Ao Kuang. There's countless examples of overtuned kits from the past. Gods don't need weaknesses per se, they are gods afterall, and you failed to realize that Achilles is a Warrior assassin hybrid with a focus on reap but a weakness that comes with it. We don't need more Ah Puch, we need more characters that do something interesting. Ah Puch isn't interesting. He's a massive flop with a nice theme. But he sucks. He's boring to play. He isn't good. Why ask for more of that, when we can ask for more things like Cerberus, or Achilles, or Hachiman, or even Cernunos? Good gods, that can seem op and easy, yet have very clear weaknesses that make them feel like they are bound to get stomped for doing the wrong things. Anyone playing these heroes like an idiot will show it in their stats. They'll feed. Very hard. And why? Because their power is exaggerated for youtube click revenue and people follow and ride the hype. I can guarantee I can fight any Achilles in solo lane with Cerb and win, even the best of pros. Why? Because Achilles can't deal with sustain and poke. And yet, people trashed on Cerb and ridiculed his release. Don't perpetuate the myth that Hi Rez is conforming to masses, because they always were, they need to, that's how you grow a game, look at League of Legends. But then we get Gems like Cerberus who not only have a good feel, rewards skil and timing, but also allows you to offer enough to a team, and fighting so as to not make you a useless gimp for trying to improve further. TL;DR: The new gods introduce new things for a reason, many old gods are still broken/functionally retarded in how unbalanced their kits are, and they have survived the test of time to prove they are some of the best. New releases are less as disgusting as old releases. See old Nu Wa, old Bellona (Who is still utterly annoying), old Fenrir, most of True Ao Kuangs lifespan, etc.

[@humblekappa5294]

Just because new release are "less broken then old releases" doesn't mean that Hi-Rez shouldn't be improving. That's like saying that because a quarter of the population didn't die from Ebola, its not as bad as the black plague so we should use the same meds from the 17th century and stop complaining about it.

[@Kizen.]

Humble Kappa Actually, that analogy isn't comparable at all. People aren't getting the point of half of the new gods released. Because they don't fit a traditional mold. There's nothing wrong with that. At all. Morrigan, Cu Chullain, Cerberus, Ganesha, Hachiman, Artio. Wonderful gods and all of them have their niche. Oh, Hachiman does everything? Yeah, he's pretty much a war god and hunters are THE meta right now. Doesn't make him the safest, even if he does have two escapes, he's also easy to counter. He's just a strong all range adc. Cerberus? He's not a support. He's a magical solo, and he offers way more than any other solo if you have a brain. Artio? Another solo, hard counters some high Tyr(pun intended) gods in solo. She is not meant to be a support. Morrigan? Intended to be a jungler and helps carry teams because she can be whoever is hard carrying. Nobody bitches at Ao Kuang for being a mage assassin, why are people bitching about cerberus, artio, etc? God design is bad? No. Their god designs are just very good and so they seem "bland" because Power=Bad?? apparently. Guess we need a game full of ah puch to satisfy people. Kukulkan is shit too. So we just need a ton of those. Oh, Vamana too. Yes let's copy all the things that are bad and design a game based off that. Kappa Every other moba has more ridiculous shit than Smite. It might feel generic, but it's really not, trying hard to force it to seem generic by oversimplifying quirks and traits is a bad way to make an argument.

[@humblekappa5294]

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[@Kizen.]

Humble Kappa "Discordia is lame because she has an easy combo. Waaah. If should require skill, waah, poseidon the no-skill ezpz aoe mage with 3 forms of CC is harder than a mage that requires her escape to fully burst someone down, waah." "Artio is button mash, you can totally succeed being braindead even though I'm feeding with her, waah!" "Achilles is totally broken even though at no point in the SPL has he shown he is unbalanced, overpowered, weak, or has no counterplay, showing he should be completely comparable to every other warrior while filling his own niche and unique combo!" Keep looking like a chump. Asking for them to make "skill" requiring characters is redundant, because all of them take skill. "Oh but they are strong." Yeah, so is Cu Chuallain and most new cu chullains feed even if you pick trash in solo. Just because something is difficult doesn't make it rewarding. Just because something is powerful or versatile doesn't make it any less fun, useful, or fun to use/counter/play against. Don't defend an argument that cherrypicks examples for comparison instead of looking at what role they are supposed to fill and what gods they are competing with. Artio is a solo god. Hachiman is an ADC, and is not the be all end all, no matter how strong he can be, and Artemis is much better in a teamfight than he is, even if he is fun/versatile/useful. Discordia is a mage and she is completely comparable with ease of use to Poseidon, yet Poseidon has way more impact than she does, because his clear and damage are better early and that can result in her feeding. "She has an escape" means nothing. Nobody is complaining about Thoth and he is easy as fuck and has an escape + stun with the highest range in game and free penetrations. But sure. Comparing these new gods to old gods surely isn't proper when that's exactly what the point of this video was. Don't be moronic. Fallacies and irony is all I'm witnessing being spouted.

[@humblekappa5294]

At no point did i try to defend his argument, only point out a flaw in yours, but your post just get longer more inconstant and i feel like each word you post kills one or more of my brain cells.

[@geraldtarrant3656]

I overall like the new gods. I think the focus should be on items creation and balance. Push players to counter build more. I don't like how gods in a certain role has a suppose standard build across the whole class type. For example hunters. Is the hunter Auto Attack base or ability? What kind of auto attack hunter are they? Does their special skill(I forget proper name) make then have to build differently than another auto atk God? You can apply those same questions to a ability base hunter god.

[@nekochicky6009]

Ao/Kukulkan has a high skillcap, u got me with that one dude.

[@TridentH20]

I think it's fine to have gods that excel at various things. The problem comes when a god that is supposed to be "well-rounded" out performs another god that out performs the all in "specialist" of that specific niche. For example, Jing Wei is the safest Hunter in the game imo. That's her niche. Meanwhile there are gods like skadi who have tremendous ability damage like skadi. It would be lucacris to have a god as safe as jing that packs the punch that skadi does. Neith/Anhur are gods that lie in the middle of that spectrum and that's okay. Imo I prefer gods that have multiple applications that can be versatile. When I'm playing solo for example I prefer gods that check multiple boxes (pressure, survivability, peel) to having the king or queen of that niche. What I'm trying to say is that I find gods without a clear "purpose" to be alluring and perfectly fine.

[@JustinBailey91]

Skadi does have higher stats than Jing Wei in almost every aspect though. I think the main problem between ability based and auto attack based gods is that crits are so strong with no real counter other than Hide and Thorns.

[@TridentH20]

Justin Bailey the point I was Making was to her mobility and safety.

[@outridegaming]

No mention of ares unfortunately. One of my all time favorites is Ares for sure. He can either be the support, he can be the tank, or he can be the damage. Or a combination of all three. His passive is extremely useful early game, picking up items such as Jade Emperors Crown, Pestilence, Mystical Mail, give you a good tank to come off of, while your 1 does a high damage (due to its multiple chains, and refresh of the timer if you land the chain again). His 2 helps with other tanks, as well as being an aoe ability, since it does % of health. With this all in mind, people often don't see a benefit in building things like Genjis Garb (huge cooldown, whilst keeping you tanky) Pythagorems piece (Ares passive, 30 damage. Pythagorems - 40 magical, plus 30 from passive. That's 100 damage from a single item. Along with its AOE buff to allies, and the lifesteal it gives makes it such a great item for him), Stone of Gaia because more health and HP5 on a tank is always good, or even a bancrofts talon. Ares isn't focused just on his ult. That being said, blinking in and pulling enemies can be very strong, its relatively easy to counter, but it means anyone without beads or beads cooldown, is in fora rough ride. It makes enemies waste a relic just to counter him. So he doesn't necessarily have to focus on his ult, but his 2 gives an AOE buff to prots and CCR. Say you go in 1v1. Chain, basic, chain, basic, chain. Follow up with your 2 for prots and ccr, then burn them with the 3. You can unleash some serious damage to just about any god. What makes him so amazing, is that he can be a variable. He can be putting out damage, or tanking like its no ones business. Or a mix. Now many guardias/warriors can do that, but what makes ares special is his passive in the early game, along with his ult that can help turn the tide of a fight, sometimes even the game itself.

[@talosisoursavior4015]

I feel like you kinda skipped over the decision between resetting your cooldowns as Discordia or saving it for escape.

[@dragontyron]

And also that Artemis ultimate is an amazing teamfight CC on a god who specializes in single-target damage. Y'know, the same thing he complained about on Daji.

[@nika-og4vu]

not a good escape

[@Axle3000]

for Artemis it made sense I can't word it well but her ultimate is meant for her to steam roll by killing one enemy at a time or escape it just so happened to have team potential the ult was made for her. I have always hated Daji ultimate it felt wrong for the character like she can barely capitalize on it if there are multiple targets. If the ult is for teamwork fine but her kit is not.

[@Epician88]

dragontyron Artemis isn’t completely invulnerable in her ultimate like Da Ji is. Da Ji also has a leap out of her ult.

[@pointynives]

He also said Sobek was a well focused character because of his hook. So he runs in and hooks. What does an AoE damage ability that reduces healing have to do with that? He took one move in his kit, said it was his focus and then swept over everything else. Discordia being built as a short range AoE disruption mage is apparently completely unfocused though. Even as someone that hasn't played smite in some time, it makes this entire video come off as biased and whiney instead of informative

[@oldHelix_VA]

This is one thing that Riot Games for League of Legends does exceptionally well. Every single one of their champion releases feels like something exciting and new. They aren't afraid to completely rework older champions while maintaining the original feel of that champion. I absolutely love champs that have an unlimited amount of combo potential, such as Riven, Azir, Yasuo, Gragas, Katarina, etc. Decision making is a huge factor in how a fight turns out. In Smite, we have gods like Agni, Susano, and Janus to name a few. Even if it was only 1 new god a year, I would be willing to wait if we got something unique and special. Baron Samedi was an attempt at this, but who really pays attention to his hysteria besides for the ultimate? Button mash = win. This is kind of exaggerated but I honestly wish we had more "creative combo" type gods.

[@MrSomarw]

When u said “Yes Hades was a guardian” I teared up I miss the old times.

[@marvmarvellous8720]

Quite fitting that you uploaded this video when the new God Chernobog came out. As soon as I saw his new kit, I could see your eyes rolling Mast :D

[@gentlefishy608]

I think Smite should really modernize the older Gods, but "creatively" make new ones. If we went back to S1 and kept it just how it was, Smite would be nonexistent. Honestly the way Smite has changed isn't for the good, and it's showing plainly. All-in-all, I really enjoyed the video! Probably one of the best explaining what needs to be done, Mast! ^

[@Ellemental]

Its interesting how you cited Vamana as an old warrior when... Vamana used to be a guardian and all they did in the change was lower his protection growth and increase the damage values on his abilities and per level auto growth. As for KKK, as you pointed out yourself hes literally about the spit nado combo, same as Discordias root into shot. The differences there is the smaller mechanical benefits, KKKs slow off the spit can help to set up allies while Discordias root can potentially turn enemies that are ahead like say a mercury temporarily against their own team.

[@charlessmith8131]

I completely agree with you Mast. I feel as though not only do the new gods have no focus point, but they also have no real skill gap. Everyone gets cc and damage on easy to confirm abilities. It's like they keep dumbing the game down.

[@Jirasu]

I’ve only been playing smite for about 6 months and I’ve noticed this with the new gods that have come out since I’ve started playing. Having a background in playing League of Legends for 4 and a half years I can absolutely sympathize with you Mast on how characters can loose focus and just be nutty. The best example is disccorida compared to a mage that came out last fall called Zoe. Her kit was extremely complex and interesting, allowing for a huge level of mastering the champion for outplay potential. The problem was that her damage was so disgustingly high she was overkilling characters two if not three times over. It was as if the people that made her just didn’t take into account her damage. And even in smite I can kind of get a similar sense with character roles and what they should be doing. And how the newest ones are all over the place. I get your frustration and I do hope hi Rez does something to fix this. Idk if you’ve messed with the newest god yet but I’d love to hear what you have to say about them.

[@johnx140]

DUDE fuck Zoe,she literally was one shoting my Yorick :(

[@Jirasu]

That's what I'm saying. Her kit is interesting, but riot dropped the ball when it came to her dmg output and it was obscene; there was NO reason for her to literally one shot almost everyone with 2 items.

[@72pinkush]

hah, that sounds like He Bo

[@Jirasu]

Kind of, but her kit is way more complex. At least you hand to land a skillshot to one shot people, He Bo is just like nah fam I do a billion dmg because :p

[@SherlockHolmes000]

To be fair, there were a lot of Gods that were poorly designed and either mindless to play, boring design, or frustrating to play against. He Bo comes to mind, with the lowest skill cap of all the mages, and obscenely powerful/annoying to play against (Trying to counter mage this fucker as most other mages/assassins is like trying to hit a sniper with a foam sword in an open field) Then there was Xbalanque who is effectively capable of doing everything. Then there was Nox who... was just an easier version of Anubis with more utility. There seems to be an issue with Smite adding a lot of Gods that are just out-right better than the previous ones in almost every category. I remember when Bologna was added and I thought she was just the most broken one-trick pony in the universe. Boy if only I could see the future. That being said, there are some gods that I absolutely loved added later, such as: Awilix (I love her unique playstyle, and I wish she got more love every now and then) Hachiman (Obviously) Hou Yi (Pretty unique, albeit too strong at many points of his career) Ravana (Quite a fun bruiser, if only he wasn't overshadowed by new warriors constantly) Morrigan (Interesting character, though gimmicky) Susano (Really quite nice, although the most obnoxious thing to fight against on release) Ah Puch (Obnoxious, but a unique mechanic)

[@idontcaresir]

You can fine tune God's more than just increasing and decreasing damage. It's how creatively you can balance a God. All the old God's you mention -Sobel have fairly simplistic kits that don't bring much to the game except easy low skill cap characters, that isn't a bad thing but your arguement is esecinally that you cant balance God's WITH complex kits when you obviously can. Da Ji for example You can reduce the number of chains time on the Paolao Speed of the activation The damage Stun duration Chain hit speed Reduce the decent distance add a targeter to where she will land I agree, the ult doesn't have the best synergy with the rest of her kit. Her kit leads more possiblites to her standard kit. Old kits have a simple formula with a low skill cap

[@nvizible]

I feel like the balancing for each god is bad, but that's mostly just side affect of the constant updates, and need for new god releases because of the payment model. Da ji for instance I think is someone that could totally be balanced even without a huge rework, it's just that they don't have much incentive to do so, why do that when you can sell the new gods and features coming in the new update or so. Dota for instance has a character called Puck that has great burst damage but also is basically the most survivable hero in the game. I'm sure they can figure out how to make Da ji have a niche and/or stand out with a good kit, it's just that there are like a million gods, with new ones coming out often, and it's hard to really make one god either stand out or not be too good.

[@jonathanvasquez7417]

Great vid Mast. Please do a part 2. No one makes videos on these kinds of things in the Smite community. (At least not that I know of) lol

[@BYtheHORNsGaming]

While I agree with the overall point I feel like there is a bigger issue at hand that needs to be addressed first. A lot of hirez's gods are focused on the thematics behind characters lore. Yes, I know that sounds ridiculous in a game making characters based off of mythological entities. But something I have noticed with the more well-known gods being added to the game is a focus on the themes for their kits which can leave big holes and make some pretty clunky kits. Cerberus for example while having some fun elements feels like they tried to highlight the things people know about him instead of thinking of an interesting way to use his kit. Like did anyone really think the fact that all three heads attacking to make his 1 stun cool? But this isn't really a new thing. Gods like Poseidon and Thor have kits based on what people know which happens to be pop culture references. Like thors mobility being base around mjollnir and Poseidon releasing the kraken. And while their kits are definitely not as clunky as cerberus there are abilities their simply to fill slots and set up other elements of the kit. Tectonic rift and trident come to mind. Now granted these characters are fun. Hell Poseidon is my second favorite god but looking at characters like to use an example from the video Ao kuang (kukulkan) where the kit wasn't super lore accurate until they changed him but is fun and skill testing just makes it apparent they are trying to hard to capture the lore of a character (especially now, like there is a reason the lore segment takes like 10 minutes during god release streams) than making a character that doesn't feel like a jumbled mess.

[@gabrielgarcia437]

Soo much potential.. it just seems like the designers dont want to make leaps and try something bold and instead keep going with a "safe" choice for god design and kits.. the really sad part is everytime they release a new god you hear the patchnote team try and sell the fodder to us.. like "oh this is a brand new type of ability, or "we have never had a god like this before" and if it isnt that its them talking about how cool and flashy the abilities are, "ooh that looks soo cool, look how bright and sparkly the ult is".. like no one really gives a fuck about that.. give us a god that is different, has an actual learning curve, is hard to use but satisfying to master, a god that sets itself apart from everyone else a god that merges two playstyles or introduces new playstyles.. all the new gods are basically either spam your abilities, or spam your ult.. its not fun and it is frustrating to play against.. the last good god was hachiman and his abilities, on paper, contradict eachother.. a short range dash stun, and a long range AA steroid? In one character? Not to mention a hunter with natural MP5?.. but what happened? hachi is really fun and different and it turned out to be a really good kit.. how about chronos?.. who at one time can be played in the midlane AND duo lane as a carry.. his 1 needs to be timed to get his AA steroid.. his ult is an excellent ability that can be used for baiting or mobility, both his damaging abilities are difficult but satisfying to hit.. chronos is different.. that is what sets him apart and it makes him fun to play.. he could be played in both positions quite effectively at one point, he is also easy to balance and has a good learning curve.. what about ullr before they buffed him and changed his axe delay.. i cant explain how satisfying it was to predict which way your opponent was gonna dodge when throwing your axe.. that was the sole reason as to why i even played ullr.. hitting 180s and 360s.. instead what happened?.. "noooo we are making a tier 5 for ullr, lets buff a character which was already performing well and lets change his axe and make it easier to hit because casuals dont want to take the time to learn how to actually use a character".. smh.. sorry for the rant but it gets to me too.. smite is honestly getting boring.. they need to challenge us.. not make easier and more forgiving characters.. even lol does a better job at this.. i played support in league.. not for a long time im still a noob tbh.. but wow.. what a refreshing experience.. the characters are so varied and different.. each character has their own focus.. their own playstyle.. rakan can jump around between teammates back forth providing shields and heals, while disrupting enemies with knock up cc and taunts.. yet if he gets caught he is quite squishy and can get blown up.. pyke is a fricken assassin with an execute and invisibility yet he is meant to be played support.. imagine that.. a fucking assassin with an execute and invisibility.. but is meant to support?.. its like they said "hey, fuck it, lets get the two complete polar opposite playstyles and splice them into one character".. not only that but it works.. pyke is probably the most dangerous roaming support if he is left unchecked and gets ahead.. his whole kit screams roam and he does it very successfully he is the only support that is allowed to get kills aslong as its with his execute, because he shares the gold if he executes a target.. also gangplank... OHHH GANGPLANK.. if only we had something remotely similar to the learning curve, aswell as the satisfaction and fun that comes from mastering gangplank.. theres nothing even capable of comparison..

[@fernybern]

How are kukus abilities hard to land??? this video is more about ranting then it is an actual video ares does way more damage than artio and can lock someone down for longer than she can

[@Jadizi]

You have a second to escape the tornadoes and the zephyr misses more than it lands lol

[@d3bonair880]

Yes but Ares is also much easier to counter. Just bait out his ult and use beads, then stay away from him. That's it.

[@JustinBailey91]

D3bonair If you stay away from him you're gonna get minions in your tower.

[@jl5317]

I feel as if the new gods still serve a unique purpose to smite. For example the goal of discordia would be to spam cooldowns and cc due to her 2 and 3. As you also said in the video artios goal would be to go in do good amounts of cc and damage as a guardian. I believe the problem here is the player experience and the simplicity of the gods. It's how easy these new gods are able to do their job and that takes away from unique god experiences as we as their overall difficulty. Making it less enjoyable for the player and the opponent facing them. Thank you for reading my opinion :)

[@LeafGreen906]

Kukulkan and Artemis was the 2 first gods i learned when i started playing back in early 2013. I can relate so much to what you said about predicting your opponents, as id start out missing all of my tornadoes and ults, but eventually id learn how to predict and do massive amounts of damage. Miss the former Ao Kuang design, especially the ghostlike typhoon skin

[@silverfang4583]

His 3 is braiddead easy to hit and makes him one of the easiest mages in the game

[@DeadPro98]

I want to know want people think of Freya and Xing?Leave me your opinions on these two gods :D thank you

[@sharkhammr]

What worries me the most is the pace they're releasing new gods now. With the upcoming three new pantheons and three new gods just in the span of the summer, I feel like they might start spreading themselves too thin and just start applying a boilerplate approach to each new god.

[@hachi9404]

few things I wanna say I think the point of artio is to be the jack of all trades shes supposted to do everything but not everything amazing (altho she is too good to be fair) and I think without a team she just gets destroyed. I think the combo on discordia is fine, mages have combos and thats okay, you still have to worry about positioning with her, given her dash is very small and you have to use it smartly. and I think kkk needs to be reworked, as his kit is klunky and just awkward, I think its fine to have highskillcap gods, but at the same time, his kit feels very very weird also ya, love da ji, hate her ult. ruins the character

[@OmegaLittleBob]

When I started playing, Janus was the newest god (I think that was Season 1) and I've always felt like they put out too many gods, too quickly. I think if they held back and put more time into each god we wouldn't have so many problems. I do agree with you for the most part put I do disagree when it comes to Artio. When she first came out, yeah you could button mash with her, but ever since they nerfed her that isn't possible. I would say her focus is running in and disrupting a coordinating cluster of enemies. She's like a battering ram. And because of the Nerf you have to very careful with the timing of each ability, or the enemy team will just back away from you and regroup or just kill you. That's been my experience at least.

[@chazaqiel2319]

I still remember when Rat got his rework back in season 3. Rat used to be cool because of his passive; the rest of his kit was pretty interesting and unique too, but the passive was what made him really stand out as a design choice, it was the first time HiRez ever tried messing with the shop, which is a core part of the game. Then Rat got his rework. What the fuck. Passive: boots, but better. 1: Dash with single target damage and slow. 2: Aoe tick with protection shred. 3: Burst damage with stun at melee range. They literally managed to make EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PART OF HIS KIT BORING EXCEPT FOR HIS ULT. How does one even do this?! They managed to turn one of the most unique characters in the history of Smite into one of the most boring! This isn't even releasing new gods with uninteresting kits, like Mast talked about in the video; this is purposely destroying a god just for shits and giggles! And this is just the beginning; after all, if you followed DMBrandon for some time, and watched his patch notes videos, you know that the game is getting progressively dumbed down. I still remember the old Iza buff, that decreased the damage and increased the casting time of her ult. Or Poseidon, who got his outer damage buffed and his center damage nerfed from his ult. Or Janus, who got bonus damage from hitting a single ball from his 2 and decreased damage from hitting them both. They are making the game easier to play and less punishing so that little kids can play and win.

[@FufflesTheLion]

The thing is, there are 90+ characters at the moment and Hi Rez has to really think how to make gods more unique, what you seem to wish for is gods that literally work the same which would make people yell "God X is a copy of God Y"

[@datskilltho916]

Well, the problem with a god like Hachi is not that they are seemingless without an core idea, I'd rather say he makes a lot of hunters obsolete, since they made him a jack of all trades, but forgot the point; master of none. rn he is a master of ALL and he doesnt even have to think ybout mana since his passive pretty much grants him unlimited if you even play a little careful. He just isnt a fun god to play against. You can counter something like Artemis easily if you know her strenghts and weaknesses, but you cant do the same for him. If you're up close, you just die, if you try to enter and exit max AA range you just die, if you want to chase him he can just ride away ontop of his dash. Same with Ullr, they took a perfectlky fine character and just shat on the skillflor and said ''if anyone can play him to a good level anyone can feel like a pro'', you dont need to watch your mana anymore, you dont need to predict with your axe anymore. Look at ZK, passive had lasthits, which was deemed too hard to do for most players. Think of that. The Devs think you are too stupid to lasthit. Look at Xba, his passive was very good, but required a lot of skill to fully get fast, now you can just start with obow 2 and completely break the game with him. Hirez has lost its touch, to say the least.

[@TheGryphyn]

Interesting and informative video. You've definitely hit the nail on the head. However, do you think it's a lack of focus, or a lack of new ideas? It's that, for the past year of releases especially, that new God's just seem to be a mash up of existing God's abilities. I realize that there can be a very limited number of abilities that could be created. I just wonder if the roster has become too bloated.

[@protectdavidchasetaylor2144]

What you didn’t cover on Achilles is the fact that he has permanent physical power at level 1 on his passive. Other solos with physical power on their passive are Hercules, who doesn’t necessarily have that power unless the enemy lets him have it, and Chu Cullain, who has both low scaling s and a barrier between him and that power. Achilles is not a character who should excel at level one, but he does anyways because he has a free herc passive and movespeed, as well as high scalings so the 80dmg on his one is up to a more standard 90. The character is ridiculous and needs to be nerfed in every aspect(except the 3, hirez put that ability more in line after the last patch)

[@alexmaclellan5631]

HEYYYY what about kuzenbo, kuzenbo has a clear focus of disruprtion. His 1 slows and does a hint of damage but also takes basic attack hits , his 2 not only reflects damage but also resets his cooldowns ( both effects adding to the disruption), his 3 can do a hint of damage but also can make it easy to body block someone by pushing them into walls, his ult is a large aoe disruption that prevents people like burst mages and adc's from just bursting everyone and stops them. To me kuzenbo is perfectly designed and sure it took him a few updates to give him his full disruption but it really does work in his favour by being good but not broken.

[@dimillar28]

Brilliant video. Seems all they care about most the time is making any new god that comes out more powerful than the last. The amount of cc and the length of the cc on newer gods has gotten insane

[@tagteamduelist1686]

dimillar28 to be fair, they do it on purpose. Same thing happens for rainbow six, it makes it easier to identify what to Nerf and buff, if it's broken on release they "usually" fix it soon after it's released. If they were released bad, it would be harder to draw lines on what needs to be pumped up.

[@philipkenakin7804]

They also do it so that people want to play that god especially when the only way to play it is to buy the game

[@GreyPikmin334]

I think the reason god design in Smite has gotten boring lies in the very concept itself. Every playable character is based on some real world deity or mythological figure, so they don't necessarily have the luxury of thinking of a role first and designing any character they want around that role. They have to instead find a role...and choose a god that could fill that role, but they can't often be too crazy about it. Thor doesn't have a long, grapple-arm in his lore, so it wouldn't make sense for him to have something like that in his kit. since many mythologies have gods filling similar roles (death, fire, water, war, etc.) it can be hard to come up with unique ideas based around the same stuff over and over unless those gods have something that really sets them apart from other gods sharing their theme or role (Raijin and Zeus are both lightning-themed Mages, but Raijin sets himself apart with his drums and the kind of abilities you can create around those drums.)

[@Hyperion856]

One thing I notice about the new gods is they always have fucking dashes some form of hard CC, and damage immunity. The old gods have other forms of CC that aren't super hard like stuns or taunts

[@joshsouleater4713]

I think the way the gods are being made are fine; the creativity is nice and makes the game funner to learn. Do you know how lame it'd be if the single target Gods had nothing in their kit to help a group fight? Regardless, I totally get what your saying, but I can't say I necessarily agree.

[@Kizen.]

Josh Souleater He wants more Loki in the game, obviously.

[@davidrobich7667]

The reason gods do more than one thing now is because there aren’t enough different things for gods to only be good at one thing without being repetitive. The list of things gods can be good at even proves this, you had a decent number of different mechanics they can do well but with over 90 gods even if every god only did one of those things well there would be a lot of repeating. It would be boring if every god was only able to do one thing well diversifying gods lots makes them more interesting (sometimes). Some newer gods aren’t as fun but this also varies person to person like I hate Artemis because of the randomness of her passive but that doesn’t make her a bad god it just means I don’t like the way her kit works as much.

[@blainefiasco8225]

Do you hate crit then? LOL

[@davidrobich7667]

Blaine Fiasco yes but less than gods with random passives because you can make crit pretty consistent

[@Kizen.]

Blaine Fiasco Crit has been one of the weakest things for 2 seasons for most ADC's.

[@blainefiasco8225]

Kizen Y. I don’t get it. How? What would be the strongest? Crit is pretty much the only way most adcs can build.

[@mrbones9196]

>kukulkan >high skill cap Pick one

[@lolen6328]

roasted lol

[@AzoiatheCobra]

process of making a new god: 1- dash/jump/mobile ability 2- wave clear ability with some odd sec effect 3- filler 4- ultimate that doesnt feel it belong in that kit... only artio doesnt have an ult, but did she really need one?

[@goatshield193]

I think the problem here is that each god needs to be unique. I agree that early-Smite gods have more focus to them, but that is also because there weren't as many gods to sorry about copying. Hi-Rez can't just release a god that is nearly identical to another god, it would simply be a waste of their time and would be boring.

[@winterwraith8339]

What about a god that drains mana somehow? Make him or her not too overpowerd but just enough to be cool like this god drains more enemy mana the less health it has and in return a percent of that mana can be turned into health? Or what about a god that can temporarily possess an enemy? Not like morrigan i mean literally like stop the other player from being able to do anything but watch in horror. While possessing this enemy player they become targetable by their teammates while not being targetable by yours. When possessed the enemy player can also be targeted by their own tower. Thinking this god could be a mage, a ghost god. Or what about a god that has a lot of slows, deals high damage, but is easy to kill like some sort of snow god. This god can just slow the hell out of attacking players from up close and far away. the god has a passive that slows nearby enemies, and slows them even more if the god attacks the enemy. Thinking this god could be a hunter or assassin. Or what about some sort of vrampire god in which every time this player kills an enemy some monster looking creature spawns from it, can work on minions to with a percent chance of it happening. Maybe make this monster like creatures stronger if you were able to bite a god before killing them Or what about a god that made gods hallucinate, like make random gods appear out of no where and perform a scary attack on a player but not actually hurt them, like a fenrir in his ult form running at you when theirs an actual fenrir in the game. This could help with players who are attacking you really hard and need a hero when Hercules is not around Or what about a god that can teleport an enemy somewhere else in an unpredictable spot? Or what about a lava god that leaves pools of lava and sets guyser like traps to where if a player walks onto it, that plauer and nearby players will be knocked up pretty high in the air, the closer to the explosion the higher. The god itself can also do this on himself's location except when the enemies land theyll fall in a pool of lava

[@jaynerice6693]

Nice to hear a 5year vet’s opinion. I’m new to SMITE and sort of struggling. Just grinding it out in Arena, learning my Gods.

[@Fenexium]

Sorry I’m 5 days late here, I’ve been a player since the original SWK removal, and I love this video, I feel so represented by this and absolutely support you, sadly I feel like there’s a need for a second part where we can develop how HiRez “cares” about the community and how it’s changed over the years, thanks for making this video. Much support from Mexico.

[@theenergystation1295]

This also applies to gods that were released interesting and then have been dumbed down over time for example Nemesis. I started playing in S2, were she was considered very weak but I adored her style. Back then she was designed to be the tank crusher with her ultimate, by stealing protections for herself, then using the rest of her kit to good to town with auto attacks. This in turn gave her focus on late game, which many people didn't like for whatever reason. Because of this, Nemesis was buffed repeatedly which meant that when people actually sat down and played her again, she was drastically overpowered. Later in S4, Nemesis got a change to her 1 and 2, increasing the damage while reducing the protection steal of ultimate, and thus the identity of the tank crusher disappeared. Now she's a burst assassin that is mostly outclassed by Da Ji anyway, since Da Ji was actually originally designed to be a burst assassin while Nemesis was originally designed as a warrior. In short, Nemesis has been lost her identity in order to appeal to the masses, but nobody says that any god has to suit everyone's playstyle. Instead of being a brawler and tank crusher, she's just a burst god like so many others. There, end rant.

[@theenergystation1295]

I want to point out a stand point that people might disagree with valid reason. I think it is more important to have variety in design and uniqueness in playstyle than perfect balance, because if all gods are the same then we basically don't have god variety anyway.

[@tagteamduelist1686]

To be fair, this season she was very good and very special due to her shield and sustain... Something that a lot of burst assassins didn't have. This gave her boxing potential over straight burst.

[@Jormyyy]

Hi-Rez needs to not be afraid to make an absurdly odd and weird kit with strange or little synergy. They needs kits and abilities to be fun and (preferably) lore related. Achilles is by far one of my least favorite designed gods in all of smite. He had the potential to be so amazing and unique and they give him the most basic, bland, and cookie cutter style and overly powerful kit I have seen in a long time. I have so many hopes for the game but I feel one of these days Hi-Rez is seriously going to fuck up and ruin everything.

[@benwubs701]

Literally inspired lmao. Very good synthesizing of information and well thought out. I do completely agree with what you are talking about and think that change must come to smite before hirez’s chance is up. Thank you for speaking out!!

[@gforcefilms97]

I would like to know what your opinion of Ganesha is in this context.

[@DarkAngel-jo8ix]

This seems slightly more subjective, which is entirely fair, but many points are kind of flat, such as a problem you had with Da Ji is her not being focused, which is exactly what you liked about Hachiman, albeit Da Ji only has her ult that is somewhat out of place. But you also say Discordia is easy to play which is completely valid but Zeus is also incredibly easy with all three of his abilities being able to delete less defensive targets when only one needs to be aimed anywhere near them, and kukulkan isn’t exactly high skill because if anyone gets hit by a hard cc it is so easy to hit the with a 1000 + scaling ult, where at least Discordia has to hit two abilities and no one ability will hit for what KKK will do, not to mention that you selected these gods from 17 possible, some of which would put new gods in a much better light, or old gods in a much worse one, for instance you eliminated Cerberus because you thought he was too much like a warrior, (and only briefly touched on the fact that HiRez had Hades as a guardian and not a mage for the longest time) but Cerberus would be a great god to cover, he has useful antiheal, good sustain, an aoe slow, a somewhat tricky to hit stun, and a wonderful positioning tool as an ult that doesn’t seem unfair to play against, also it was unfair to use ratio in this example because Artio was a mistake and she should be removed from the game and I hate her, all in all, this was a good video and I am interested in hearing your opinion on the other classes in this style of comparison, but I won’t be writing to HiRez because I think old and new gods have their flaws and not all are gonna be hits, also this is the run-on sentence that keeps English teachers up at night. TL;DR Remove Artio from the game

[@Holacalaca]

wdym ares was guardian back then? what is he now?

[@johnplease2444]

I mean....sure some designs can be lackluster and what not, but you can’t deny some of them makes a lot of sense. Like Discordia, she’s the Goddess of Strife so ofc theyre gonna make her kit super annoying, it fits. And comparing her to KKK is simply unfair tbh, bcs KKK is one of the most laziest Gods i’ve seen in game where people just literally spam their 3 and wait for the tick damage to finish people off, while also just launching the ult in order for that tick damage to literally help the finish off. Some of the Gods you picked here really proved your points bcs you selected them, not bcs theyre the perfect example. I’m actually quite impressed with how Smite has managed to create characters that are able to negate other characters, that to me is why i feel Smite can still have the fun

[@ratardobatardo]

Why did u put kukulkan burst on mediocre

[@moosedraw3731]

What’s ruined smite for a lot of my friends and kind of me. Is the cc spam that can occur. Because most of the stronger ccs are on large AOEs for newer gods. It’s just odd for a skill shot type game. You don’t need to aim your heavy hitting abilities on most gods because you just press 3 or 4 and just hit everyone near you. Such as Cerberus. His highest cc is a long knock up and pull in a huge aoe. That’s just one example.

[@bryanhirt521]

To me, it seems that characters were given more variation recently. The original gods seem to be straight forward and have to be played hit 1 way. While the new gods minus Artio have multiple plays to play them giving variation to them. The new gods don't have to be play in 1 way and only 1 way. You can use them differently based on your playstyle.

[@stevew3167]

I have a feeling that HiRez is running (or ran) out of new ideas and are basically recycling or mixing different gods abilities. Chernobog is basically Nox, Athena, and Hachiman in one.

[@williamt1019]

Discordia was a misfire on all accounts: the brainless kit, the pixie model, hell, even the decision to call her discordia over eris

[@metalmichew2]

I can see where you are comming from with artio (or even cerberus for that mather) but i do really love the fact you can go in solo lane and play a more magic damage oriented warior instead of being forced to play a warrior, the idea of artio having tons of sustain and the fact most of her abilities are heavy (or low even) cc is frustrating considering her damage, i love playing bruisers in any moba and as such in the time i still played LoL i always played Swain who had an anoying kit to play against but did tons of damage, if hi rez would have turned her into a more warior kind of guardian it would be fine, she has way to much cc and damage to acctually be a guardian.

[@bw5319]

Won't lie, when Daji got announced/released and they showed her ultimate, I was incredibly disappointed. Her entire kit pointed towards something cool and interesting that helps her kill a single target, yet what we got is this clusterfuck of an ult that is supposed to allow her to teamfight, give her invulnerability, cc immunity and a leap at the same time. I was honestly expecting her ult to be a single skillshot that would let her gapclose and maybe stun her target so she can kill them, she already has her 2 and her 3 to move around, so her ult shouldn't allow her to disengage as well. This weird tower of fuckery she currently has is AWFUL design-wise and doesn't fit to her kit at all.

[@WizardofTruth]

Soo what is ur opinion of chernobog. I love his ult and I think he is fun to play

[@TenaciousBuns]

Tbh when i clicked on this video i was expecting you to talk about how they look...

[@TheUltraBeast1]

And now we have chernobog, a hunter that feels/ plays like a mage, ganks like an assassin and has damage mitigation like a warrior or guardian. No focus

[@keelinmccoy5983]

I cant agree on your whole idea that Da Ji is automatically wasted by the ult, its an easy too avoid ares ult that can be purified out of by most gods in the game. While offering her a functional way too get out of a terrible situation. It doesnt take away from her burst focus because for the main part the ult is an escape of a chance to take down an enemy who escaped your burst. Not much too say on the Vamana and Achilles comparison, I agree with everything you said. I can agree that Discordia isn't very exciting, but you are taking her down quite a bit. Learning to hit multiple people with the combo and aim the ultimate well is important and gives a bit of a higher skill cap than you are saying. But you give FAR too much credit to KKK, the tornado is a very very easy way to hit many players at once and often to block their path entirely, the one is a very simple and very powerful line ability and he has a speed steroid to help catch people with it. If Discordia is brainless then so is Kuku. Your comparison with Artio is fair, but really only against Sobek, for the most part every other Guardian in the game as the same ability to just mash buttons an do well. Ymir freeze and line and you are good. Ares hit someone with a chain and walking in their direction. Cabrakan, literally press everything at once, etc... Even sobek, excluding his one single ability is nothing but press 2 and 3 over an over again. They ALL have high skill caps, and Artio is no exception. Your suggestion of her being boring to play and calling her focus point bad is extremely subjective and you really state it as if its a matter of fact. On the hunter comparison, I agree with your statement on Hachi, in my personal opinion hunters are the only class in the game that are designed truly badly and I am happy too see him. I also think Chernobog was very well designed in theory and his kit just hasnt translated well into the game. But you gave Artemis so much more credit than she deserves, you say her steroid sets her apart, but its probably the most common ability shared by all the hunters, nothing unique about it whatsoever. Her hail of arrows is a boring ability, I dont think its bad, but very simple. Her one is very unique Ill admit. Her ultimate is technically unique I guess, since no one else really has one like it but its just a simple stun, like medusa, neith, xbalanque, apollo, etc. Just like all the others but with less special mechanics. I personally dont believe that design has gotten any worse, some gods are amazingly designed, others are poorly designed. This rings true with old gods as well as new gods

[@keelinmccoy5983]

I apologize for the very many grammar issues in that comment, I was typing in a bit of a hurry.

[@jacksmith4719]

I kinda disagree on discordia, just because her abilities follow the lore. Her 2 and ult are the most obvious, her 1 is vaguely chaos oriented. I agree that she kinda lost focus, but the 2 is a very important piece of her character

[@hoteltrivago.3034]

Ability synergy is quite clearly a mage’s thing. Even in Kulk, 1+3 is seen a lot. In guardians, Artio’s constant damage/annoyance is her focus. Achilles was supposed to be focused on risk vs reward, but alas, he is just too strong cuz you really don’t have to choose. Da Ji is just unbalanced. They should probably make her ult land where she started and not stun. I don’t disagree that the devs become disillusioned and focus too much on aesthetic appeal and lore similarity now, but I just disagree that these Gods were badly made. I should point out that I don’t believe characters should have forced niches. I am a big fan Ymir jungle since it was something that wasn’t supposed to work that did. I think off meta viability is really important, especially with players like me that can’t just one trick a certain character.

[@bad-xtian7773]

That moment when I thought design was character design and not their gameplay and stats

[@nemak89]

Smite died for me with the Arachne rework, as someone with 60% of all games played, played as Arachne loving every aspect of her kit and found her as the single best character design in all the mobas I have played in my live (LoL, Dota 2, Hots, Smite), her rework was just lethal hit for me :(. Even worse was the official explain behind the rework that it was to help her get higher pick rate in higher ELO, wtf is reason like that, it is completely fine that not every hero is viable in higher elo, i doubt all the gods are viable now yet they do not rework them :(. She too was designed as the single target sniper and worked perfectly as that imho :(.

[@soulize4]

I kinda wish they made abilities that had more to do with the actual god. It seems like recently the abilities make no sense. Like for daji the tower is just some random halabaloo and so are like all her abilities. I would have loved some kinda fox fire ability that would have been awesome. Though some old characters kinda do this like kukulkan (Btw hated ur pronunciation it's not English for Mayan sake) sorta he's basically the Mayan god of wind and corn I kinda would think something like corn popping up where he used abilities would be cool and the corn would explode or something. Loki, Zeus, Aphrodite, baset, are actually kinda perfect in my book also took forever to think of those. They seem to do better with greek and roman gods for some reason. Also so want an Erebus character so bad.

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

Chernobog has no focus... Is it the passive? Then why is his a teleport? Why is his one so slow? Why does his dash sometimes not work as intended? Yeah the character is fun, but he was released in a bad state, bad timing on his abilities and some really god breaking bugs.

[@d3bonair880]

I have to say, my favorite character is Bellona. I used to be a Nemesis main (I know, I know) but I like bellona because of her theme. Her kit is fairly easy but she has the Goddess of War/Armsmaster theme, which I enjoy because of her Passive. I also really like Terra. She may not be the best god (haven't played in a long while) but she has an interesting kit with lots of different ways to play her. She's decent at damage, she has a bit of CC and a bit of healing and general protection, and at least I really get the entire "Mother Nature" theme they got going for her. A lot of the older characters really had unique and fun themes, or in many cases they still do. I love the way smite works in general, but I must say I feel like league of legends is better at character and themes. That's probably because they put a lot of emphasis on lore though, where smite really doesn't.

[@silverfang4583]

It's not that smite doesn't try to add lore it's that it's kinda impossible they have to follow mythos already set out or they will have people complain

[@keelinmccoy5983]

I think they have really improved over the year, Baron/Pele/King Arthur are all excellently designed and unique! If perhaps a bit too strong in Peles case

[@dakotakade3547]

I don't get it. You say you hate new God design, and I can understand that. I personally thought you were going to talk about Chernobog, who is some weird mage/assassin/hunter hybrid that seems terrifying when he's ahead and useless when behind, but that's just from looking at his kit. Anyways, you talk about old God's and how simplistic they were, and that they had a focus. Yes, Sobek's focus is his ability to displace a single target, and his kit generally revolves around that. However, you say you hate Discordia's kit for being too simple? She's focused on her burst damage. She's not a "stand out" God that's gonna do anything super different from your average burst mage, but she's a newer God with a simple easy to pickup kit that newcomers can use and feel good, and old players can try to perfect. She's great at creating chaos in teamfights, as she messes up positioning hard. She can make you stand away from your tanks so you don't get taunted with her 2, she can make your team split up by throwing her ult, and she has some neat combos with her ult like Odin cage so her ult pops around. I've seen Discordia used really well, and think she's a fun God. I personally hate Artio, because I feel like she's a little overloaded. She needs a CD on her stance swap like Tyr so she can't just stay on top of people and continue spamming abilities 24/7. She should have to pick and choose her fights, not be able to go HAM at all times. But I like her design. If they implemented that small change, I'd think she was a fine God. She has a clear lockdown focused kit, and one that makes her want to stay in the middle of fights. That's her focus. Hachiman is a great hunter, I agree. But you seem to be crapping on Artemis just a bit. It's true, she's a horribly unsafe God with no escapes or defense of her own. But she's also a late game murder machine with a cracked out attack steroid that also increases her movespeed. She can be terrifying if she starts going off, able to do a ton of damage with her autos and follow up on hard engages with even more CC. She's not meant to be defensive, she's supposed to be offensive. Take, for instance, Kog'Maw in League of Legends. He suffers the same problem. Mediocre waveclear, no escapes, and a difficult laning phase. However, he is a damage dealing MACHINE. Much like Artemis, if he's left unchecked during a teamfight, he will and can annihilate an entire team in seconds. It's just up to his teammates to keep him safe. Artemis is unique in the fact that she's a high risk high reward Hunter, and she can pay off in big ways if played correctly. I don't know what's wrong with Achilles design, I quite love his kit. He's got a low skill floor, but a high skill ceiling, which is my favorite type of God design. He's an odd God for sure, with a unique kit. He seems best, in my opinion, at diving into backlines and pressuring them. But he's also a good duelist due to his ability to quickly dodge auto's and abilities and he's able to pump out pretty good damage. Vamana always seemed really odd to me. He didn't seem to have much of a focus, and he always confused me. I don't know if I should play him as an ability-based bruiser, or focus building around his ult, or try to be a damage soaking tank? He doesn't seem to fit in anywhere specific. He doesn't have the CC to engage well, he doesn't have much burst, and honestly he seems to have no real focus, with a kit seemingly thrown together out of nowhere. Everytime I play him, I just get confused on what my role in a fight is, and what I should be doing. It's not very clear with his kit. Da Ji is one of my least favorite Gods. She seems very hard to play around sometimes. She can come out of nowhere, and just instantly kill you. If you live through her burst, you'll just die to dots. If you don't have beads, she can just pull you into death. If you're a mage or a hunter, expect to just die to Da Ji immediately from her 3 auto 1 combo, since it can crit with Malice and works with Crusher and her passive, you'll either die instantly, or she can 2 and run away and you'll die in a couple seconds due to 5 dots being on you. They've tuned her since, but I always dread Da Ji's, simply because of the point and click teleport. Loki has a similar ability, but it stuns, and is an ultimate. While his can be just a teleport, at least it has a decently long cooldown, so he can't do it every 10 seconds. Da Ji can. And that's absurd to me. Not to mention, the things you were talking about. I never liked her. Sorry for the novel, I just didn't understand where you were coming from about a lot of these Gods not having a focus, or your hatred towards them. This seemed less like an analytical video about God design and more like you were just complaining about new God's that you didn't like.

[@run4walk]

How is Da Ji mediocre mobility? He has 3 abilities which aid her movement, including a teleport.

[@Daicarrus]

I would at least like his dash to be able to go inside the crystal and rewarding the players that make that risk by adding, idk deals the dash damage and explosion combine to all enemies in that area.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

I've only been playing since Anhur was released. Feels like such a long time ago.

[@ianwhite9826]

I remember before they announced Chernobog he sounded exactly like Nu Wa. 2 Abilities that directly interact with eachother An ultimate that helps with global visionary and rewards map awareness

[@WannabeMarsanach]

You speak the truth. The reason I quit smite was because I got bored of playing the old characters for so long and got no excitement out of the new gods.

[@ilwyd]

I'm surprised I see no comments about how the gods pretty much all became braindead once Ajax took over on the design.

[@ZachVsYouTube]

Saying Artio is badly designed because she loses badly from behind makes me think you've forgotten about Ares. But the thing that sets Artio apart from other high damage guardians is that she has easily applied, low cooldown aoe hard CC (unlike Ares) that cannot be dodged (Cabrakan). If Ares falls behind he is borderline useless. If Cabrakan falls behind he can't facetank in tremors. Artio still has a stupid channeled aoe cripple, an instant aoe circle stun, a dash, a slow and root etc. etc. Her kit is so bloated its laughable. She has too much mobility for how much CC she has and her only problem is the lack of a teamfight turning ultimate. She just needs to be winning, or almost winning, the fight all the way through because she cannot cause a fight to swing from lost to won with one well timed ability. But as a trade off she is able to 100% commit to any fight at a moments notice because she doesn't have to wait for an ultimate cooldown to decide whether a fight can be won or not.

[@lukaspecson6095]

I been playing since closed beta as well and I definitely feel like I don't enjoy new gods as much, like they are strong but not cuz they do 1 thing well, they just try to jam everything into 1 character and it feels forced, I really liked skadi as a designed character (I know she's not too recent) but she plays so different from every hunter and it really is cool to have a character that does that

[@marcusmartin3296]

You say discordia is pretty basic with her combos but i feel like thats most god in the game are using the same combos to deal damage. Scylla being a route into crush being most of her combos. Zeus throw shield hit it and zap. Bastet jump in damage jump out ult if your confident. I agree that some gods play better than others thats a givin but theres also counter building, counter picking, banning, communication, etc

[@monkaSisLife]

I mean i get what your talking about but there is one thing that is important, The game evolved over time you cant compare Gods from 4+ years ago with gods that release this or last year. ofc after some time a game changes, if it changes in a good or bad way is IMO for everyone different. (english is not my native language im sorry. keep the grammar mistakes)

[@pattyayyy]

MinecraftEpicGames why can’t you compare early release gods to stuff being released today. It’s still smite. Just cause they were designed differently because the game “evolved” doesn’t mean you can’t compare them. It’s the opposite in fact. That’s why mast is comparing them. Because the design “evolved” into something he sees as worse

[@randalljolla]

Shlomo Baglestein the reason is that the early goods are the basic templates of a standard moba game. Things have to change over time or it will get stale. Every character got to have their own thing because it would be boring if we had 2 of the same gods

[@d3bonair880]

That's the point he's trying to make. He's litterally saying it has changed by comparing the different gods, and he's comparing the different ways they have designed the gods and saying that the gods are losing a focus, a theme, an Identity. It's entirely valid to make that kind of comparison. It's kind of what a lot of analytical texts and expressions are built on.

[@tomsnow21]

Aye just wanted to let you know that i loved 99% percent of this video excep that i feel like i cant not point the fact out that artemis is favoured as hell right now as a hunter, and im not just talking about higher to the highest level of play low level players pick her up because positioning isnt as punished as well as her ult granting frre kills if your ahead in low level play.

[@tagteamduelist1686]

Alright mast, just a personal opinion, but you're kinda comparing sticks to stones. The "new" Gods aren't exactly lazily put together, they're very specific in how they are made. In fact, Artio (though I'm not a big fan) isn't just all about button mashing. Plus there's a lot of Gods that would seem lazy from back when the game was put together. Loki... Farm clone, run with invis, ult and hope to kill... Ah Puch, throw Bois, slow, hope to God it does good damage, and heal. I don't think kits have died down in a sense of "laziness." Almost to any degree actually. Most abilities in the game ESPECIALLY THE NEW GODS, are hybrids of other God's abilities or just new all around. Achilles, "assassin warrior" high mobility, good sustain, and good damage... I don't know how that's a bad kit for a warrior... Discordia, Cooldown and spam abilities... I mean they're basic but they have a MAIN point of focus, just like most Gods in the game. Personal opinion.

[@vincentstearns1019]

I think the problem is that Smite isn't their focus. It's a steady cash cow to pump skins onto while they try to make Paladins and their PUBG ripoff a thing. I don't think either will really pan out.

[@7carlxx]

What are your thoughts on Ah Muzen Cab's and Khepri's designs?

[@StantonCree77]

I have never played Smite but I love how much passion you have for this game and for some reason it kept me interested, I think I might try it.