Mathew Knowles on Secretly Dating White Girls in 1960s Alabama (Part 1)

Mathew Knowles opened up to VladTV about his new book, Racism from the Eyes of a Child, which he hopes sparks a dialogue about colorism and social courage.
During the conversation, Mathew spoke about his various experiences with racism while growing up in Alabama in the 1950s. He explained that while he secretly dated white girls in junior high, his principle scolded him deeply when his secret was found out. Moving on to college, Mathew spoke about being benched from the basketball team after it was discovered he was dating a white woman, and then going to Fisk, an all-black school that had a "brown paper bag test."
To hear more, hit the above clip.

[@ten25.]

Colorism still exists, it's everywhere on television. It effects dark skinned black women the most.

[@MiahB513]

Love Yourself yes sadly. Not dark skinned men though...my experience as a black women is different from a black women with brown to fair skin. I go through more hurdles than they do, but we still stick together

[@blackturkdog]

its affects Dark skin men as well. they learn color-ism from their Black mothers.

[@Thamikaroxy]

And this interviewer is lying.

[@blackturkdog]

Colorism affects every cultute: East Asians, Latinos, Italian/ Scillians. Go to another to visit and pay attention to how dark skin men/ women are treated.

[@SumDumGai5]

@@blackturkdog Yep.

[@ANTPHRESSH89]

This man is very honest. I respect that.

[@DontaeS]

He reminds me of the dude from the movie Don’t Be a Menace....who was the driving instructor who robbed the bank

[@FBA1979]

GhadLee lol

[@Gusto821]

Sly Tendencies lmfao that's what I was thinking

[@marleyjanim5033]

Comedian earthquake

[@AF-Twice]

"Hello I'm Mr. Walker. I'm your examiner for today. Put on your seatbelt, check your mirrors, let's begin".

[@mthiam32]

LMFAOOO

[@lewmich1234]

I must admit vlad is getting more and more interesting people on here 👍👍

[@Overqualified1]

mike grey yall gone be mad at him again before the day is up. Shut up. Wishy washy asses.

[@lewmich1234]

Marq Mac ive never "been mad" at him so stfu loser

[@vladtv]

thanks!

[@jwilliams9334]

Marq Mac Who's "y'all"?

[@Ghostkilla773]

John Williams people who hate Vlad

[@astrotrain3332]

I know society still has issues but holy fuck hearing some of that stuff from decades ago when I stop and think for a second, wow.

[@adaneboateng]

Matt Dawson real shit. ..well it still goes on today but ppl hide it

[@ericsmusic5927]

Mike V Stop

[@GMCworldwide1979]

Think about the long term effects of those things also.....

[@box5bastard277]

Yeah my equal, we don't be lying when we bring this stuff up. Especially when we just learn even more fucked up things like why y'all never told us about this? Yell

[@hugh-jassole8814]

He acknowledged it he didn't deny it. U niggas need to slow down take it easy and read clearly

[@poeticsounds]

Black women today say this colorism comes from black men. But he clearly states his mother instilled this in him . A lot of mothers also do this with their daughters hair etc ...

[@SJ-ql2gx]

Very true!

[@newnimprovesT3]

It comes from white man. And has been internalized and trickled down

[@ShesAbsurd]

Colorism comes from white supremacy... it can be perpetuated by many tho

[@pauloskidane2819]

Thaaaank you!! H The blame is always on BM.

[@nashidaperv2351]

It does come from black men way more actually.

[@DEVILSBELONGINHADES.]

His mother taught him self hatred

[@KJ-gr6ho]

most definitely could of got her own child killed for that

[@Joi55]

It’s sad that not much has changed within the Black community, in regards to Colorism.

[@tarikgregory8933]

Cameo Joi83 what do you mean

[@GRIMM2197]

Cameo Joi83 expand please or else I’m Inclined to disagree

[@weworldwide1348]

*in regard to There is no s at the end of regard.

[@srFLiPP]

@Dracula Wannaboogiedown In the interview he talks about how his mom told him not to bring a black girl home, while being black herself. You still see it today how some black people put people that are dark(er) skinned down and what not.

[@jamesdavis4126]

Cameo Joi83 right back woman are racist they all date or prefer light skinned duds or better yet they love and act differently towards white duds

[@skrlreels2060]

Well at least he was honest and not gaslighting as if colorism does not exist...and I can respect for that

[@titebuoy]

Tina knowles is light, bright, and damn near

[@kevinbarry6328]

White🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheTallMan50]

This is why Matthew married her...and why they got divorced. She was just a trophy to him.

[@willalexander9935]

Classic example of where self hatred starts, smh

[@julianbumpy8424]

Self hatred runs deep in our African American community.

[@kennylafortune2107]

Closest vlad will get to Beyoncé lol

[@kaylao.3326]

Lol

[@coachrobinson9958]

LMAO!!!!!! :)))

[@tomjones3629]

He made Beyonce. Pretty sure he's guiding Jay Z

[@l.b.2592]

@@tomjones3629 Beyo and JZ supposedly dont speak to him which is fcked up

[@Litetorture]

LMAO!!! Dayum You! LOL....

[@YoungYahtz94]

Lol Vlad said i can’t get Bey on here so fuck it imma holler at her pops

[@johnblack4398]

flex luthor lmao deadass I was look ooooo oh ok Vlad

[@RoamFM]

I'm sure he asked him to get her on the show Lol

[@SlickDattBoi]

Nobody cud get Bey nowhere

[@stacyr4768]

Close enough

[@kashmoney2382]

+SlickDattBoi he could but she stopped doing interviews like 8-10 yrs ago

[@trevorbailey730]

Mr. Knowles said, "Welcome" to Vlad like it was his show. Lmao

[@beedebawng2556]

😂 😂 😂 "Welcome! Welcome! I'm glad to be here. Thank you!"

[@MsCocoaCyril]

I am in tears listening to this. History lesson.

[@roderickminor6165]

There's nothing more feared than dark skin!

[@Ibrahim-bv6rv]

Roderick Minor *despised

[@mgdkns6678]

I think “feared” is a poorly chosen word...

[@jasminehall9542]

I see people in the comments blaming the mother for this mentality ( because it’s always the women’s fault) but none stops to think about the trauma she must have endured to make her feel so low about herself, no one wakes up hating themselves, environment and society impacts way we view others and ourselves

[@JasonHBrown-dk1ub]

I really believe that nose comes off when he takes his glasses off...

[@eastside313yahdig.2]

Lmbo

[@7crip504]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 that shit was funny af

[@ayeoner]

💀💀💀

[@ViewtifulVideos]

Damn man! Lmao!

[@smoking1212]

Education for the Culture lmao

[@davidjean-louis8885]

I love this interview my dude

[@healthpot5033]

As sickening as that sounds I found out that there are STILL Black mothers that talk and think like his mother. I was like whaaaaat??? Self hate at its best!!!

[@ThingsILikke]

It’s probably a lie to make himself look better- what kind of man throws his deceased mother under the bus?

[@Larenztatewife]

@@ThingsILikke it is definitely not a lie lmao

[@ryanallen8298]

Mathew Knowles aint lying about those times because im his daughter age and I remember how my mother had to try to protect me and my siblings from racism and violence

[@trupak3845]

Damn Vlad!!!!! This is one of those interviews, that will have us waiting on tomorrow. You need to just go head and drop the whole thing right quick.

[@marywheat1832]

I wonder why Beyoncé never mentions this side of her family like she does her mama side 🤔🤔

[@LaikynSings]

That’s the question right there

[@keepingit-g-witmepodcast4537]

I’m from the same city he is she don’t fw them folks like that fr

[@DCBCHANNELDAATHCHOMAHBINAH]

I really enjoyed this interview

[@lslonniegee1]

Very interesting man

[@theabnormallife]

Say what you want about this man, but he gave the world the person and the artist known as Beyonce.

[@turdchurner4012]

TheAbnormalLife and hopefully God forgives him for it.

[@jojosmom8819]

Everytime I look at him, Im like 'Damn, Beyonce came from this nigga's nutsac'

[@jonnydavis6066]

TheAbnormalLife I don't like Beyonce

[@ksager123]

Matthew Porter-mendez W

[@ksager123]

TheAbnormalLife nigga fuck beyonce and hold this fucking L!

[@zero1fifty8]

Great interview Vlad, great interview

[@sheribrooks8205]

I've been dealing with this my entire life and I just recently called some of my loved ones out about how they made differences in us as kids. My color changes because I like the sun. On top of that...I have EXTREMELY kinky hair. Now, I watch how some people make differences in our three daughters because they are all different colors.

[@truthtube1000]

The time they have around your children should be limited...and if they can't get it right...no time is good too. Don't allow them to traumatize your babies hun!

[@81johnmac1]

If his mom was dark ans said that she might thought herself was untractted.if u see beauty in yourself if u dark you would never make such momments

[@moneybaggg4783]

Good interview

[@drlove994]

This guy is underrated as a great business man, and a great father

[@MSPROV0CATEUR]

Your avatar is Malachi Love... not sure if this is sarcasm 💀

[@mrrjh5609]

This finna be fire

[@jasonjones2293]

The AKA's used to use that same paper bag test for their members

[@beedebawng2556]

Sorority or frat?

[@cameronallen2119]

Beede Bawng black sorority, the prettiest black girls in the university are supposed to be in it. Or at least the way they want it, the light skinned girls..

[@cheryljuliette5017]

and Fisk University.

[@sashaminx75]

wow😱 Fisk had a paper bag test!!! damn never knew this till now. Makes me want to read his book now

[@chieefin]

Hampton had one too

[@AyeishaN0Curry]

Sasha Minx yes mam. Howard did as well. In fact, if you look at Fisk archives and Howard’s, you can see most of their students were fair skin

[@AyeishaN0Curry]

Nonya Bidness Ironically, he went to Fisk. He also wrote in his bio, I believe it was “Soul of Black Folks” he wanted to marry Lena Horne’s granny ( forgot her name) but she told him no cus he was dark. It’s funny but sad cuz Dubious was about Beyoncé’s color but even he was too dark for her despite his potential and intelligence. Smh

[@thecrt2]

One of the main things i love about vlad is that he is very knowledgable, and he gives you a lot of game. You just have to read between the lines sometimes. Keep it the good work vlad.

[@mistaoheath6208]

Good stuff

[@Icebergs98]

Just when I thought I knew everything about racism in America "The Brown Paper Bag Test" in a all black school Dam

[@pakpala1]

There is so much to learn.

[@beedebawng2556]

This is why I don't associate with African Americans - too many KKK tendencies in your community.

[@poetrynbars1089]

Politicians aren’t gonna do anything until we fill up them seats honestly.

[@92CJLove]

Hes mom was a self hater

[@92CJLove]

*His

[@xSalamz]

Nah you don't say.

[@honeybfly1980]

C.J. Love yup

[@92CJLove]

xSalamz Stfu

[@luichen115]

C.J. Love, sadly like most black women hence the bleaching, non-african conforming looks, and deep secret desire to be with a white male to have lightskin childeren and even lighter grandchildern if possible.

[@MiahB513]

I'm glad he's talking about this because it's definitely happening as we speak. Colorism exist sadly and I have experienced it in the black community before I went around Whites

[@entrepreneurcorner4146]

O wow , Gaston, AL. There is a famous running back I played in High school from there : Carnell Caddic Williams .. that’s on the east side of Alabama

[@ryanallen8298]

Yo Vlad the Mathew Knowles interview was deep me beeing born in Chicago but my mother's side of the family from Mississippi I done heard it all fam

[@JermelTaylor]

“Drive motherfucker!” Lmao 😂

[@reginaldc2952]

I had no idea he went to my school! UTC #Mocs

[@Donn0]

"The brown paper bag tezt?! Wow, that's a thing?!" 🙄🙄

[@adayinthelight7575]

Yes!!

[@richardbullis6263]

This is so sad. When are we going to wake up.

[@AMAZINGFANTASYSPORTSGAMING]

Jay-Z trying mimic Beyonce dads whole Look 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@huntingtonparkway]

Fisk is right down the street from TSU. And UT is I think a couple of hours from both.

[@willthomas2310]

When you think about it, this man could've been dead easily...fuck just going to jail.

[@MrThekidisback]

will Thomas word sad but true.

[@t.collins1668]

DEEP!!!

[@brizzymight69]

damn vlad i see youu!! keep the heat coming

[@davidjean-louis8885]

This is mind twisting to me i am imagining. This in my head

[@pureuncutlakers1010]

This is real sh1t. The history of this country is made pretty and clean. The real history...man.

[@michaelwilliams5442]

Very intelligent guy

[@kingtreal5274]

I've dibbled and dabbled with a few snowflakes in my day. I've got so many stories about them to the point that I can write a book on the subject. They always brought drama into my life in a way that no "black" woman never has. Smh. I guess that's why blue jays flock with blue jays.

[@weworldwide1348]

law of attraction... you a piece of shit, you gonna attract piece of shit people.

[@supgloserv]

That's interesting, because I've been dealing with snowbunnies since the early 90s, and I have yet to have an issue.

[@kingtreal5274]

Aspiring Musician Have you ever been involve with any in the southern states of Arkansas, or Louisiana or any other state where racism could be a factor? If not then that's why?

[@kingtreal5274]

We Worldwide! Lol. Ya mama

[@luichen115]

@King Treal, my brother the snowflakes in the last 2 dacades have changed the snowbunnies.....let me just say the environmental change had a ''thick'' effect on the snowbunnies they eating good hahaha

[@huntingtonparkway]

Very Interesting. He's telling the truth.

[@orlandeuce6567]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!! now it all makes sense!!!! that's why Matthew Knowles married Tina Knowles who's light skinned.

[@sashaminx75]

He speaks so well😂😂😂😱😱😱😉😉😂😂

[@weworldwide1348]

- impressed by the most basic things

[@theend1199]

The way his mother spoke isnt much diffrent then what Dominican ( Caribean) or Surinamese ( South America) or even ppl from Angola (africa)say to there children..this aint no new thing or old thing its still a current thing. Its so crazy...its still a issue. I like his knowledge he is allways real and ppl respect him for it.

[@ericaflowers6162]

Self hatred is very real smh

[@fredrickwilliams6046]

I want to see Vlad interview Ampichino and Young Bossi, out of Akron, OH.

[@jeremyhinton8429]

Damn him and those white girls 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kaylao.3326]

Betta be glad he aint get lynched *shrugs*

[@gritsbitch9647]

3:11 😂💯

[@brixtonbabe]

Papa Knowles on Vlad a TV, yes Vlad!!

[@chriscampbell6362]

I like this guy

[@raysfonexchange]

Mr Knowles.....the real last Jedi!

[@orlandomolina7192]

Sounds like a good book. 🤔

[@jaydenmorgan2011]

I wish his kids came out his complexion

[@Carolina_girl86]

I think his younger one came out darker than Solange and Beyonce, not sure his exact complexion.

[@FBA1979]

Matthew finally learned (the hard way) those Creole BLACKS coming out of New Orleans [French] are WICKED as hell

[@luichen115]

Are they even black they are mixed as hell

[@FBA1979]

We're still learning. The verdict ain't in yet

[@KJ-gr6ho]

Lol Ruff where u from if u don't mind me asking

[@diamondwest35]

How did he go from father manager to his own celeb?

[@kanarcydalive1216]

Looked like Randy in the thumbnail

[@tatilalima2874]

Admiro muito esse homem, por ter tornado a Beyoncé no que ela é hoje porém não sabia de sua trajetória. Ele não é apenas o pai da Beyoncé, ele é um homem de princípios, trabalhador, inteligente, preparado. São tantos adjetivos que cabem a ele que nem sei mais o que escrever. Fiquei horrorizada em saber sobre esse teste do papel pardo 😮😮 tive que repetir essa parte para saber se havia entendido direito 😢 passada

[@WestboundPromo416]

interesting perspective on race

[@CANDYSOULonline]

I wonder if that way of thinking played a part in his attraction to his ex-wife, because his wife now looks TOTALLY opposite.

[@pagebarree2166]

For sure

[@seekinghimdaily92]

It did, he has shared those sentiments… he has stated that he initially believed that Tina was a white woman. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@classof2010president]

Vlad getting everybody on here. Try 2 get Andre 3000 or Mack Maine.

[@dripllc5088]

classof2010president then tupac

[@JayWerx]

Andre not fuckin with it

[@thenotorioushussle5633]

Isn’t André 3000 originally E-40 though

[@antoniowalker4569]

Get 3 stacks on here!

[@Panamaschild]

Matthew Knowles or Joe Jackson?

[@liamhobe5837]

Joe cause he gave us the biggest artist of all time and Michael influenced every artist that came after him including Beyoncé

[@nikkilane331]

Joe Jackson

[@thenotorioushussle5633]

liam hobe preach Homie preach Rest in peace Michael Jackson rest in peace Joe Jackson

[@mgdkns6678]

@@liamhobe5837 He also abused his family and children all his life, in horrendous ways, and this is common knowledge. Are you really giving him credit?! Wtf?!

[@ThiccSteakFurl]

Vlad is just waiting to drop the part with who bit Beyonce face.

[@kennethsims2565]

The Emancipation Proclamation wasn’t signed in 1865, it was created on January 1st 1963. It didn’t free all the slaves only the slaves of the south. The 13th Amendment abolished slavery. The Civil War ended in 1865 though.

[@Moose-iz1uo]

Say what you want to say this man is still a genius. Beyoncé has talent, but he’s the reason why she got to success she’s at in her life.

[@IgotSomuchTroubleonmyMind]

Vlad it was prodigy from mob deep that mentioned the brown paper bag.

[@carmelomoney8386]

❗️interview Mack Maine‼️

[@ganktuh]

Racial self hatred is just downright disgusting

[@blackpixels]

Damn, America is Racist as **** - The History of the Country, it's so Psychologically Deep. But I do appreciate Mr Knowles' Honesty.

[@alixgiggles5329]

This is an extremely educated, poised Black man. This is a thing of beauty and rarity.❤

[@HarkonAjala]

No, actually it's not rare. There are plenty of extremely educated and poised Black men and women, but you have to look outside the mainstream media presentations to find them.

[@Blessingz777]

❤

[@jessiehoyt9306]

My family is from that doodoo ass town too smh

[@aspeckt1]

"step on my damn toes again!"

[@92CJLove]

Gadsden Alabama 256 all day

[@Praaggzz]

Thank God we don’t live in segregation times anymore that must have been awful man...inferiority complexes, hatred etc must have been ripe then damn

[@twitterblackdove]

Hey Vlad, y'all, lemme jump in! I like Megan Thee Stallion a lot, adore her! Does she pass or fail the brown paper bag test? What about the aesthetic of the beautiful video for 'Realer' featuring her gorgeous light skinned team (in afro wigs, btw)? What I wanna know is whether the music industry put the director in charge of doing her right or wrong long term? It's not just that one video but do you see what I'm saying? Megan is strong enough to take Cardi and/or Nicki out but will they let her?

[@MrAthiestapostle]

Black_Dove stop smoking crack. I’m from Houston and I still know that Megan can’t fuck with Cardi or Nikki

[@ChitownCrazy1000]

Jack and Jill of America got the brown paper bag test going on til this day unless you pay extra.

[@WelcomeToTheMadness]

Lol, this seems like the first in black history jokes can be from some of these commentary.

[@DefSquadFan]

I didn't know Fisk was doing the brown paper bag test. Somebody needs to verify or challenge this accusation. I wonder how many institutions were doing this. I thought it was just a social thing for procreation.

[@davidjean-louis8885]

Never heard of this guy but i will watch this interview

[@datboycotvdotcom9593]

Ice killa3hunna he got a daughter name Beyonce she pretty good, u should check her out one day

[@sashaminx75]

DatBoy Cotvdotcom 😂😂😂👽👽👽💀💀💀💀

[@WoolyFridgeFish]

DatBoy Cotvdotcom 😂

[@monadejaneiro]

Ice killa3hunna You've heard about him plenty of times. "My daddy Alabama, Momma Louisiana, You mix that nergo with that creyo make a texas bammerrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!"

[@Nateaverse]

He jizzed out Beyoncé lol

[@playthellmarshalli5190]

The judge thanks vlad.

[@healthpot5033]

Vlad asked him if he passed the paper bag test! lol Nigga have you seen a paper bag? lol I'm dying... Vlad crazy

[@adirembeautysupply1159]

That is sad but some mothers really messed screwed theirs sons mind.

[@mr.nobody9697]

Wow. Brown paper bag test. What a sad, sad thing.

[@herealbutler]

Dam thats some deep shit smh