"IRV GOTTI TOOK CREDIT FOR MY BEATS ON DMX ALBUM WITHOUT ASKING!!!" SELF SERVICE SPEAKS OUT!!!

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[@btrue7386]

One other producer who NEVERRRR gets enough credit for DMX's hardest tracks is DAME GREASE.

[@rodmills737]

Facts and Dame is a beast on the beats 🔥🔥

[@seb7dagreat]

🔑

[@kyleblanco5883]

Facts... that cause Dee and Wah favored their nephew more and Swizz was elevated, plus he scored a hit with Ruff Ryders anthem

[@KNuckleZification]

Yezzir... My negus

[@chriswestry700]

Probably cuz his name Dame Grease

[@nwananka]

It's funny how we complain about toxic contracts from major labels then turn around and do it to each other

[@recinese]

💯💯

[@kennylafortune63]

Facts

[@johncompton9976]

Exactly

[@anthonybrunson6321]

You are absolutely right!! someone do it too them and when they get in position they turn around and do it someone else

[@allgasnobrakes919]

It’s called #GREED

[@420fellowship2]

“Industry Rule number 4080 ….record company people are shaaddyyyyyyy”

[@bravey456]

4080

[@DuckDaPhillyFan]

Shout out to Q-Tip

[@edieselentertainment]

Facts facts facts

[@juanrivera4312]

I THINK THEY SMOKE CRACK I WON'T BOUGHT CAUSE LOOK HOW THEY ACT.. A TRIBE CALLED QUEST VIRGIN ISLANDS PEACE ✊✊✊

[@abstractrealitytim9672]

@@juanrivera4312 misquoted.

[@DJDARYL]

I got over 25 platinum records as well and don’t get any recognition so I feel the homie.

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

You Dj Daryl from No Limit Records fame? If so, salute! Real ones from the 90s, who bought cds and read production credits, should recognize your name.

[@DJDARYL]

@@MichaelBrown-ti1un that’s me 👍🏾

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

@@DJDARYL that's wassup. That first Steady Mobb'n album, Premeditated Drama, that you did a buncha production on, still gets play from me.

[@DJDARYL]

@@MichaelBrown-ti1un 👍🏾

[@Raptor4fx]

@@DJDARYL how about Happy P?

[@kendelsdad]

I love how the young producer locked right in when he realized who homie was. You can tell young man respect the hell out the OG.

[@user-tk7rl6hw6c]

Hell yeah we do

[@jamaabdikarimjama7582]

As he should..

[@kendelsdad]

@BARKA SULIMAN no shit. He recognized the wisdom.

[@TYESKEP170TH]

I always said whats my name by X was irv gotti best beat ever....salute self service on that classic smh

[@80sbabytv34]

Hip Hop is alive

[@johnathanhernandez1350]

Bro, you know how to interview and give every guest in your show the spotlight and time they deserve and need

[@jermainecarriker6849]

Mad respect hoff

[@KAMOYA17]

N.O.R.E would do well to take notes

[@DamienEarth]

I'm new here but I peep the same thing my boy.. can't even listen to Vlad, he talks more than his guests

[@GoreTechs]

Facts nore and gillie always talking over stories saying dumb shit that makes the story go left can’t even watch them

[@7777Lace]

Facts & that’s only because HE KNOWS WHAT’S UP

[@TheRealPMick]

Big name producers have done this for years. Pay someone $7,500 cash whose hungry and turn around and sell it for 50-100k+ publishing/mechanical royalties.I'll leave my personal stories out of it.

[@dee2ttown]

Understood fam! This game is dirty, im not a producer, but did promotions independently, I understand

[@YKSBEATS]

Facts

[@supadave422]

These people have devalued the culture and are the real vultures

[@JustMe-ws2pe]

Exactly.. Which is why i produce everything and not trying to get bamboozled in this game. I want what's due to me. any advice im willing to listen.

[@kond1]

Are they really vultures of the original beatmaker agreed to the terms? As in they agreed to sell all their rights. Is it not also on the part of the original beat maker to make himself aware of the possible outcome of selling all his rights? These people ain't your friends. They're after money

[@kenwood1971]

DJ QUIK said once, "I will never put my name on a track that's not mine."

[@reginaldrobinson1714]

*DJ QUIK

[@ernestomeads5493]

U aint fresh

[@indigoearthangel888]

💯🥂

[@pedochees]

DJ Q-U-I-K with no C Style

[@zonashi8645]

That’s why I always ranked him higher than Dre. He the heart of the west coast sound.

[@NoahJonesNews]

Jimi kendrix produced some murder inc joints. Also Danja handz produced a lot of Timbalands biggest records

[@alfredtineo3023]

Facts. Danja definitely got his bag

[@soulonsoulwithphinesse3522]

I just want to say KUDOS to your show. This is the type of info that these young music cats need to hear. This is TRUTH and UNCUT. I like the fact that as men, you let each other speak without disrespecting one each, talking over each other, and the fact you choose to have these conversations from the people behind the scenes or who wasn't doing it for props! Great content!

[@ms.ladietoyou8672]

Yes agree with you.

[@chubbyboy2242]

Puffy was an executive producer, people still to this day think he was making all those beats for Biggy and Mase and all that. Puffy was not a beat maker.

[@lynorichyy7305]

It was Stevie J and those boys. The hitmen

[@elliot2177]

Puff arranged it..

[@Grief944]

Thats why you have to read the credits on the albums. I specially love do you know by diddy the beat with the piano on the back is smooth

[@basketballgod2791]

Puppy is a beatmaker though don’t get it twisted he can make a beat on his own and has Dunso just like Jermaine Dipree but yes you are right in Timberland does it too when they use keyboard is and people who actually know how to play instruments I noticed that for instance Timberland will come up with the percussion and start out a B and then he’ll tap in with the keyboardist J. Cole also does the same thing so at some point we got to start to wonder who actually produces on their own I believe R. Kelly might’ve done a lot of things actually all on his own Ryan Leslie did things on his own those are people who really need the credit when it comes to producing not just people who are rains other people stuff

[@Strongholdstrugglez]

Executive producer means the person that invested. Pushing the art

[@merrickcity1]

Much respect to both these legends... but this is why there is a difference between a beatmaker & a producer.. and some people are both.

[@anotherway18]

What’s the difference

[@jman1562001]

@@anotherway18 From my understanding a beatmaker essentially makes the beat, but a producer arranges/composes the record. Adding little sounds, putting a singer here or there, laying another instrumentation, basically bringing the record to life in a different way. For example, the MVP remix record was originally BIG L's single, Puff took that same record and instead removed the boom bap style more prominent and smoothed it out with the piano and little subtle elements which became "One More Chance". Same beat, but a different record. Plus being a A&R/music executive, the fact that the Puff's and Irv's have a name recognition gives it more credibility then a say a upcoming beatmaker. Hell didn't the guy from the Hitman Production squad take credit for Kanye West beats that too.

[@skywalker9601]

Yet u, still have legends that don't know the difference

[@GeneralBuckNaked]

Im pretty sure Khaled is one of those people.. He doesnt make NONE of those beats that hes known for

[@mwambak1438]

@@GeneralBuckNaked You're wrong, actually very wrong. Khaled has actually made alot of beats for fat joe, birdman, wayne, etc. Like actually made beats from scratch. That's literally facts that you can research for youself.

[@rockk78]

Great interview. Glad to hear from Self Service 🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@VyCityMusic]

Nahhh you gotta take JD outta there . He got a signature sound . He programs his drums (Jermaine Dupri ). He’ll source B Cox for keys but Jermaine not out here taking credit from other producers .

[@FantomGx]

I just went through Jay’s track listing and every record produced by Irv w the exception of one had Lil Rob’s name there too. Lmao. This dude ain’t lying.

[@CoryABeard]

I could tell you personal stories about Self. I can honestly say as an artist who worked with him he brought out the best of me during our time. Shout out to Self and Swift

[@bayleafcreativetv9627]

Seven is another producer that took Murda Inc to another level

[@Grief944]

Love the inc for life it’s murdaaa

[@Enveonline]

Here is an “Alley-Oop” for Math Hoffa. If you think his story is interesting you should reach out and interview the “Product of G&B” from Hempstead, Long Island. They worked with Wyclef Jean, and wrote the hit song “Maria Maria” with Carlos Santana. Interesting to what happened to them brothers after that multi platinum, mega hit record came out.

[@1realdude]

FACTS! From what I heard Clef did them dirty with an awful contract.

[@FantomGx]

@@1realdude Seems like Clef did a lot of people dirty. Canibus is another one...

[@anarky305]

Shout out to Hempstead, Roc Marciano, Method Man

[@charlesjohnson536]

'DON'T WORRY IF I MAKE BEATS .. I WRITE CHECKS' - DIDDY .. DRE .. IRV ..

[@ghetto4na]

I am a hip hop head from Africa, partied in the 90's and 2000s. This information is golden.

[@allgasnobrakes919]

Much love from the states!! I’m trying to get back to the motherland

[@meech7520]

10:52 Dame's been trying to tell y'all !

[@qul_alahiym]

💯

[@dasdabeatjunkie]

I’ve seen Irv in interviews flat out saying he produced those records. That’s some wack shit if it’s true.

[@dasdabeatjunkie]

@@vknb237 hmm 🤔

[@selfservice7]

Huh I produced Whats my name thays it by myself

[@tochiRTA]

@@selfservice7 yo, if you're actually Self, just know that your Whats My Name beat had me losing my f*ckin mind in Saudi Arabia when I was trying to get access to the damn Def Jam site back in the day. Before the album/song came out, I remember Def Jam doing a Flash presentation with it on their site to promote DMX and that shit had me FIENDIN

[@vknb237]

@@selfservice7 seen a video mentioning Gavin and Digem

[@stillgotyourmom]

Irv is one of slimiest beings in the hh industry. he even said on drink champs he did the super ugly beat while it was just the same "got yourself a" beat without any bigger chaningings. Even Nore said to him that i was the same beat and the clown kept on talking like he s out of reality which he probably is.

[@sleepleZZZV3]

Lil Rob was incredible, just Irv got the credits for a lot of those songs....

[@elpdmedia2381]

Little rob made murder Inc

[@camron1053]

Salute to ya. This what drink champs should be having. THANK YOU.

[@jaybrown3341]

Shit too real for DC

[@sometin_else]

@@jaybrown3341 they be too drunk asking the same question 999 times lol

[@alamac2485]

Math Hoffa is very respectful to his guess he never cuts guys off. Great work

[@teeerealsirrdee]

Everyone knows Puff was not doing anything but a line or changing a beat from one cymbal to two cymbals. Then say he was executive producer. All that stuff was done by his in-house producers Chucky, Stevie J and etc

[@esseen100]

Puff did have a winning ear and dancefloor mind of the listening audience. If it's his company, than he IS the "producer".

[@federal6616]

Robbed Mary J and can't sing a lick. But he was a songwriter. Str8Bs

[@teeerealsirrdee]

@@esseen100 no shit i5 was his company and they worked for him ie in house producers !! The point was he is not a musician. I'm puzzled why you said that nonsense

[@crnkmnky]

@@teeerealsirrdee some producers are musicians and songwriters. others are more like managers: they are geniuses at directing the whole team toward a stated goal and sound, and they _just know_ when it’s hot. others are more like pimps. I think Puff fits into more than one category.

[@teeerealsirrdee]

@@crnkmnky no shit !! I said Puff was not. But thanks for the worthless comment

[@sharkdeepwater8]

One of Jermaine Dupree's beat makers was a guy named Manuel Seal. One of the classiest dudes that you can run across. Smart guy, he got his money. He doesn't have an "I didn't get paid" story.

[@BlkOMNI]

Well it sound like he got paid

[@jalealjordan5736]

Dat you kno of

[@BlkOMNI]

According to the testimony

[@SoundBiteInc-]

Where is he now?

[@esseen100]

Seal is a great producer/songwriter period.

[@ShawnMega]

Just for the record, JD make beats and write songs. Listen to his argument with Puff.

[@williework718]

That wasn't his point my G

[@williework718]

His point was that JD and others took credit for beats he didn't make

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

True, but JD still has kept a "farm team" of niggas around like Carl-So-Lowe, Manuel Seal and others who produced under him. Not an indictment on JD, because all of the big producers do the same when they blow. Kanye brings in an army of niggas, every project these days, to produce music that he inevitably attaches his name to.

[@Its_Shaq]

@@williework718 but he said that like Dre , JD don’t actually produce beats when they do and JD also writes songs

[@lazaroclarkeii8994]

@Shaq-JD has a team of ghost writers writing for him!! My now ex-wife, was one of his ghost writers on early records by Xscape, before Kandi and Tiny(T.I.'s wife) wrote anything for Xscape and my ex-wife knows both Kandi and Tameka(Tiny) personally!! Of course, JD is not gonna ever admit to having ghost writers, most rappers won't but quite a few of them do, no one cares about R&B artists having other writers, but in Hip Hop, it's always been considered taboo to claim credit for tracks you didn't actually make and/or songs you didn't write!!!

[@AWolfInWolfsClothing]

6:40 “No salt shakers, no cowbells?” 😂😂😂

[@robertprince2651]

Sounded like a line from Crank Lucas fr.

[@Topsey2000]

I always used to see Irv Gotti and Self on production but with a lot of producers I used to listen to it took me over 20 years to see their faces lol. Glad to see Self is doing his thing

[@christopherayettey4390]

He's not doing anything lol

[@Topsey2000]

@@christopherayettey4390 ????

[@christopherayettey4390]

Where is self and where is irv gotti...

[@Topsey2000]

@@christopherayettey4390 ????

[@Topsey2000]

@@christopherayettey4390 Ayettey Powers lolololol!

[@istayinpa8222]

Mel-Man made Dr. Dre the producer he is an alotta niggaz dont kno that either💯

[@gcgb2186]

Him, Mike Elizondo, Mark Batson, lottttta cats.

[@thechordroompod]

Bro its waaaaaaaay more producers than Mel Man 😆 Daz did most of the Chronic

[@thechordroompod]

@@gcgb2186 Mike is a beast! He is Executive Producing Ghostface killahs next album

[@istayinpa8222]

Yea it was prolly alotta dope producers tht helped Dre. I only been around Hill District niggas tht was connected to Mel-Man an celebrate his contribution to Dre production💯

[@grinchoi1]

@@thechordroompod facts, Dre has a whole stable of producers under him

[@robertrowdy8753]

That's crazy...... you make all those beats just for some one to sneeze on it and say it's theirs just because they own the company.

[@Culley91]

The fucked up politics

[@ukrays7668]

Luv this interview.. Shout out to Fingers, lil Rob and DL respect to you kings

[@jefferystaten4707]

Yessssss sirrrrrrr. My guys

[@jojosaylor8996]

Amen

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

7Aurelius and Chink Santana, other producers for Murder Inc, deserve mention as well.

[@ukrays7668]

@@MichaelBrown-ti1un 🙌🏿

[@robertprince2651]

Mr Fingers got his proper glory on -POV Anthem by Cadillac Tah. I was surprised

[@KD_SWAGGER]

Self Service is saying a lot of things that make sense that have been said by others close to Irv Gotti, Puff Daddy and others. Message of the day is always own your stuff like beats, masters and publishing.

[@JaeLee83]

People ain't ready to have a real conversation about dre

[@tochiRTA]

definitely aren't. LMAO. They'll say 'blah blah east coast/NY bias beatmaker blah blah" 😂

[@mistahmst]

That’s why people keep bringing up Quincy Jones in a hip-hop convo lol

[@NEONOIRERA]

Nah I used to think the same about Dre but Dre is a engineer and helps with post production as well not just the best.

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

Because there's no real "conversation" to be had lol. Only newbies, casuals and niggas who don't know the difference between beat makers and producers are confused by this. Aside from Scott Storch, how many of Dr. Dre's co-producers/musicians have gone on to make game-changing hits by themselves? 🤔🤔🤔

[@fueledbyshrimp]

You can say that but not the NWA days. So we’re talking everything post Chronic 92’?

[@thenew90s36]

No salt shakers no cow bells??? lmfaooooo shit had me dying

[@aheadofitstimeproductions26]

That DMX What's my name beat was & still sick till this day 🔥🙌🏿

[@anarky305]

Thought Swizz did it because of the drums

[@thechordroompod]

Bro this is why I don't respect Dr.Dre as a producer because he use to say he produced The Chronic when Daz, Warren G and few others did the work. Dr. Dre is the greatest Mixer of all time!

[@ShawnMega]

Producing and beat maker is two different things. Quincy Jones doesn't play all the instruments on his records.

[@thechordroompod]

@@ShawnMega trust me I understand...Dr.Dre took full credit for The Chronic and I would respect it more if he didn't paint the picture like he was the crafting these beats like he's Dj Premier or Pete Rock 😆 🤣 I hate Liars

[@est.inthe80s]

@@thechordroompod sound like you big mad

[@bebopnola]

Warren G does not get the credit he deserves

[@thechordroompod]

@@est.inthe80s Right like I'm one the producers 😆 🤣 Just passionate i love hip hop

[@LesCharles]

Interesting build. Managers would always tell me there’s a difference between a ‘’Beat Maker” and a “Producer”. That a beat maker makes beats but a producer makes records. They would say it’s the game and I’m paying dues.

[@jman1562001]

That's there way of saying I got to EAT before you can get a CUT.

[@LesCharles]

@@jman1562001 indeed.

[@isitjustmeorwhat9748]

Bruh I felt this one to the heart I understand what it feels like to be screwed by niggas in the industry that you came up with, yeah it leaves a bitter taste for the relationship but we're still alive to set the record straight✌🏽💯

[@tochiRTA]

great and necessary convo! Yo that Whats My Name beat... WHEW! I remember when it was just a snippet on the Def Jam website. Had me losing my damn mind!

[@theoluproject]

Nice to see your face self service. Now I'm going to do my research on you.

[@Dantana773]

Shady business tactics record company people are shady

[@railroadtracksmusic]

The Work for Hire game is how the industry is ran!!!! Great build!!!!

[@ShawnMega]

Producing and Beat Making is two different things

[@kc718201]

People don't seem to want to understand that for some reason.

[@truthbetold9498]

Truth.

[@halfamic]

Different, but easily interchangeable.

[@grinchoi1]

@@halfamic exactly , especially in hip hop.

[@Cousins08]

Explain the difference, pls

[@MentPlus]

Love the interview….. these words need to be spoken.

[@z00ti_43]

Self the 🐐 wake up y’all 💤

[@RodNubianKing]

If that is what producers in NY were doing back then I can clearly see why NY fell off. Past 1998 I can start to see why.

[@ArnieEgg]

Producers since forever everywhere have been doing this. Dr. Dre is from the west and has done the same.

[@apoclypse]

Jermaine Dupri did this too. This wasn't just a NY thing. JD, Puff, Irv, Dre, and that's just hip hop. If we go to the RnB and Pop producers and song writers its even more rampant. The industry is dirty and everyone is trying to get a piece of the song pie. Especially if they know it's going to be a hit. It's still happening today.

[@shawtyeatemup1352]

50cent is why NY fell off i thought everyone knew that🤔🤔

[@stillgotyourmom]

@@shawtyeatemup1352 well actually it was the south and the NY cats beefing overall. 50 went just the most famous outta NY and the rest got lost over their plastic pop beats.

[@robertprince2651]

Happened in the Dirty South, too. As much as I love the area some Spotify songs don't have producers credited.

[@uptobro2920]

Pac said dre was taking credit for daz work , scott storch said he added the keys for still dre ,

[@coopc97]

Lmaoo daz talked about it and said he just added a few things to songs dr Dre produced he just wanted his name up there lol and adding keys isn’t producing , Scott talk about that and said don’t get it twisted I did the keys but dre was the producer he composed everything in the studio , you’re not doing anything without Dre say so . He’s been doing that since NWA days with DJ yella

[@casmartin1314]

This has been happening since the Renaissance. Not all the popular artists did everything they were commissioned for. It even says so on the paintings sometimes...'touched by' but the other artists is undetermined.

[@michaelpierre864]

I’m glad we get to see who was really putting together all that legendary music during my childhood years man! To all u thieves, u can’t take people credit no more.. it’s a wrap for that behind the scenes shit

[@tyfry2836]

Q-Tip (A Tribe Called Quest - Check the Rhyme) "Record company people are shady"

[@dahrugarner_1]

Everyone must keep in mind, a beat maker is the producers of the track but that doesn’t mean you produced the song. But, he should’ve gotten some producer credit on those songs. Most, if not all, major producers have producers signed to their production companies, but the good ones give what’s owed, co-producer credits.

[@mbp333]

Irv initially booked me for the uh oh record with little Wayne but once I got in contact he paid me then purchased a few more & I haven't heard from em since..... It's business & you can only get what you negotiate not what you want.

[@BMUSIK101]

You made that beat?

[@NOP215]

And Irv was selling beats for $250,000 (drink champs).

[@dalvartworktv4838]

Unreal

[@slikdarelic]

had to come back to this after watchin Irv Gotti/Drink Champs.. smh..

[@jKHAHN215PA]

Aw shit! This gon be a good 1!! Never heard of main man! This gon be a good 1 Math 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@TheTeslaTy500Show]

It seems like they still doing that with Beats

[@skywalker9601]

Quincy Jones arranger writer producer...it's a difference people.

[@harolddottin10]

That type of stealing went on from way back when 40s 50s +

[@106Mark24]

My dude "Self" from Shadyville Queens!!! Official Tissue since 1983. Hempstead & Springfield Blvd. Peace King

[@albertolaureano423]

One of the realest Brothers in that room at that moment is big Tone from Philly that's a definition of a stand up real nikka much respect my brother from Boondo

[@andredasilva1039]

And IRV be talking about that record like he did something SMH 😀 this industry is foul. Stay on your business 💯 Respect to this OG.

[@BMC11879]

The What’s my name beat is absolutely iconic! Fire 🔥

[@crnkmnky]

Don’t forget that producing a record includes directing the performances. If Irv was the guy in the studio with DMX making the actual recording, then he earned a percentage. But taking _half_ without any conversation? Shady… an exemplary graduate of the Lyor Cohen School of _Bizness._

[@lazaroclarkeii8994]

@crnkmnky- Irv learned from one of the best about being shady, he learned from Lyor Cohen aka "Liar Conman"!!!!

[@christinebryant8354]

That’s what I like put the names out there! 🎤

[@reup658]

Were the tracks buy-outs/ghost production or exclusive licenses w/liner credits? If they were buy-outs then he has every right to say he owns the composition/track.

[@ankhsefu6813]

This is ALL FACTS... if you know you know

[@kdaddy100]

I'm so glad The Most High stopped me from becoming a producer in the music industry. Because, the truth be told no matter how much money I could've made or how many people my music would've made world famous, as a man I couldn't take being shit on and disrespected for some talentless, sunglasses wearing sellout taking credit for MY GIFTS. THANK YOU FATHER!!!! You can see that this man is infinitely hurt by all he experienced and by the lack of respect given to him for his gifts. This interview is like therapy for him in some ways.

[@josuejean912]

I legit thought it was some rapper I didn't know of 🤦🏾‍♂️ Shame on me! 🙏🏾 Good for you bro

[@reillyuno9549]

I see you math Hoff , right after the drink champs Interview

[@atlemartoresonfjeldstad4557]

To be fair. What rap conisidered producing has never been the real definition of being a producer. You don`t have to play one instrument to be a real producer. What rap calls producing is basicly composing and arranging.

[@youngrade3484]

That is producing actually. Making beats is producing beats. I use to think making beats was the production part of the game but, there is levels to production

[@crnkmnky]

@@youngrade3484 true: composing, arranging, and producing the instrumental. all rolled into one process, so you can no longer tell where one job begins and another ends.

[@indigoblue91]

Math, keep these great interviews coming!!

[@DannyCash360]

He made the Beat not the Song. He admits he was never in the studio with X. Who recorded the vocals, mixed & mastered it. Who came up w the concept & got the artist to execute. Who coached Artist in the booth making them do retakes until you got the right sound. That usually takes way more time than making the beat. So if you’re not doing all that you’re just a beat maker & only entitled to 25%

[@coopcooper1632]

Thats like saying if I cooked for an event because I didn't serve on the buffet line I dget partial credit but I bought cleaned prepped cooked and portioned everything gtfoh 😅🤣

[@badnews757]

Dumbest logic ever haha

[@ADMAFIA210]

Why they laugh about the cowbells?...that was a staple in Memphis underground back in the day

[@kierrickedmond]

Them niggas don’t make beats, they probably didn’t really know what he was referring to, and thought he was trying to just be funny. people who make beats would know about cowbells and shit lol

[@ADMAFIA210]

@@kierrickedmond or at least pay attention to music outside of New York lol

[@GMANKOOL23]

@@kierrickedmond 😂😂😂😂

[@1trl2]

Sean Combs also was doing the same thing for most of the bad boy releases from the time he started the label til toward the end of the 2000s. He got credit as co-producer on some songs for Biggie, mase, total, lox, faith Evans for example and never actually programmed a drum machine, played a instrument but would pick a sample for a artist to rock with for a single to sell Records which is why he got that kind of credit along with being executive producer!

[@jblaze600]

Makes me sick to my stomach that Irv and Puff reap all the rewards while these producers struggling.

[@riddley39]

I’m getting so dam sick of the rap game man it’s like nothing is real at all. Do you know how many years I thought puff and irv was actually making beats. Ridiculous! I’ve never once even heard of this guy. Smh. Possibly down to my own stupidity and lack of knowledge I guess 🤷‍♂️

[@madizm05]

They crossing each other like flies.

[@mrme6637]

Everyone talks about birdman" but all these dudes were at it lol

[@reelshoota7185]

They wrong for not mentioning y’all. The part the producers play is important but damn mention the damn beat makers 💯🙌🏿

[@africaforafricansnow]

Mr. Fingaz!!! From Queens!!!! FACTS!!!!!!

[@robertprince2651]

It's amazing how Irv, Diddy, Timb and others claims their subordinates beats fully as their own creation. There's enough 💰 to go around 🤷🏾‍♂️.

[@redmanjohnson4616]

But Timberland be really making some of his beats

[@MrCbwTV]

@@redmanjohnson4616 He self admittedly has been getting a lot of help nowadays.

[@diobrando1488]

S/o to travis, cudi, & ye

[@sachagaffney577]

@@diobrando1488 Them Niggas get help too

[@lazaroclarkeii8994]

@Redman Johnson- Timbaland (not Timberland) used to make all his stuff, but Tim had help in the fact that his engineer (Jimmy Smith) also produced some big records back in the day, most Notably for Rock band Led Zeppelin!! Also, when Tim was working with Justin Timberlake, Timbaland's apprentice, producer Danja, was the one actually producing those records for Justin Timberlake!!!

[@twoms159]

My Uncle & Pops the One’s who Found Fingaz & Lil Rob

[@tremainsaunders687]

Making a beat has never meant the same thing as producing a record. But I definitely get that it’s still something some people debate. It’s never been the same thing. And honestly it’s not even the same skill set

[@dfree1442]

Details???

[@tremainsaunders687]

@@dfree1442 Hey! Not sure specifically which part you want details for. I can only speak from personal history and have been extremely privileged to learn from great producers.

[@crnkmnky]

@@dfree1442 Making a beat: drum/sampler programming, synthesizer programming, instrumentation, composition. Producing a record: assembling & managing the team, directing the performances, guiding the project across the finish line. I look at it from a “classic” perspective (ex. Quincy Jones). I think the lines became blurred once digital technology empowered one person to program a worthy track without as much teamwork (ex. Teddy Riley). In the hip-hop world, producer has been redefined to equal “beat maker,” even though a lot of these beat makers have no input on the final product.

[@5000G-x2z]

It depends. Someone can write music give to a vocalist that completes the vocals they co produced the record.

[@tremainsaunders687]

@@5000G-x2z composition and production are also not the same thing. Sometimes those lines get blurred but especially in hip-hop where there are samples there will always be people listed as composers that may not have anything to do with the production. Beat making is composition. It is not automatically production.… Especially in the case where all the person actually did was make the beat and nothing else

[@charlita25]

Wow “what’s my name” production is legendary. I always thought 💭 that was a Swizz beat 🎶

[@blackpegasus1807]

It's funny seeing this when D.Dot was shopping/brokering Kanye's and No I.D.'s beats and getting credit for tracks he never hit the pads on.

[@mohammedharoon8627]

You need more guest like this keeping it 100

[@dxavier3787]

I love how niggas stay giving credit to other producers for Dre’s beats, but not a SINGLE one ever made the same quality of beats on a consistent basis unless Dre was around. Yet Dre has thirty five years of hits without them. Interesting.

[@ZVYWMx]

Scott storche has classic beats and platinum records and was the biggest in the rap game in 2000’s

[@trekelley5183]

Dre satyed taking credit for people beats so what you talking about

[@AJWise]

Dr. Dre is also an engineer. The producers under his tutelage turn in beats to him then he adds his sprinkles and mixes the records. But Dre also makes beats himself.

[@khapinunez6146]

From a former record exec, you have very little knowledge of how the industry works 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@chandlerscaringia5260]

Why are your panties in a bunch. He took credit for Storch's work. It doesn't mean all of a sudden he's not one of the greatest producers of any genre but let's not sut here and make believe Storch was a bum neither.

[@kennys.3426]

Industry was always cut throat... can't wait till someone talks about the demos being re-recorded and redone by the kids in the dungeon(basement)...

[@jasonsweet5972]

I'm late on knowing who this man is but after watching this I looked up his production discography.......Yo🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥that's foul how Irv did him

[@yourwhateverhomegirl]

I ain’t even gotta look him up to know ur telling the truth. The way irv playing Ashanti let’s me know all I need to know.

[@jermainelawrence664]

Its not foul because he aint have the relationships. Its like being a talented basketball player but you didnt go through the ncaa. Its possible to get drafted but highly unlikely if the right people dont know you.

[@louisarmdong]

@@jermainelawrence664 he clearly said he would have been ok with5% 25% wasn’t the norm

[@jermainelawrence664]

Bro hes lucky he got credit. What do you think is harder? To convince Def Jam to give you a label deal and trust you with their artists or making a hot beat? Making beats is overrated, its about assembling the right artist with the right beat with the hardest part...a bag for marketing. Remember Irv gave that nigga a career, that producer aint give Irv a career. Irv already had hits and was known in the game. He aint know Irv he probably be selling beats for chump change in the hood.

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

@@jermainelawrence664 wrong. Self already was established and had song placements prior to connecting with Irv. Did you watch the interview? All Irv deserved, for quarterbacking the DMX play, was a finders fee, not 25% of the publishing. That's some snake sh##. Irv could've easily negotiated a fair number with Self, after X decided to pick that beat.

[@biggmonie]

Beyonce be doing this shit too. but I noticed that she credits her people

[@DC-xp4bl]

OG Service a real one

[@rsvbreezi]

cant blame the guys who didn’t mention your name. obviously he made a poor business decision and was an upcoming producer or wasn’t aware of the business aspect or was happy to do a record for a big time artist that the business end wasn’t done properly so fast forward 25 years later he’s mad that his name isn’t credited but honestly it was his poor business ethics that did that. should’ve signed a contract correctly

[@jerrybones3213]

The same thing happened to me in this era only thing is my name wasn’t put on the record at all so this continues to hinder producers from the 90’s I laid the beat never was in the session but when I read the credit my name wasn’t on it and it was sample free I played the keys thing is all those producers he mentioned I know personally dl,fingers and self service also I know personally

[@jeankane2319]

You need a lawyer playa

[@robertmartin5555]

That's my brother Edward Self Service Beat maker Producer all Facts my cigar smoking botl

[@oshaquiefoster5828]

Super producer "SELF SERVICE" has been the truth behind the scenes for decades. He been killing the game. One of the realest to EVER do it!

[@ButterBaby2u]

Whose the dude sitting next to Self Service? He looks exactly like "Saucy Santana".hahahahaha He might want to change how he styles his beard...hahahahaha

[@nauxjonkeith3254]

I knew that pudgy clown wasn't producing!

[@raebell3538]

💀😆😆😆

[@pavchellacvk2142]

I KNEW IT'!!!!!!GOTTI DONT EVEN LOOK, MOVE, OR SOUND LIKE HE BE CHOPPIN AND CHEF’N😆🤣😆

[@kdeezo326]

Irv was mentored by Lyon Cohen. That’s who he learned all his grimey ways from💯

[@jaburollup]

Am I the only one watching this after the Drink Champs episode and connecting the dots why Irv Gotti mentions Lyor Cohen so much?