EXCLUSIVE: CARL ANTHONY PAYNE TELLS WHY HE WAS FIRED FROM THE COSBY SHOW (PT2) WAS IT FAIR???

[@whoodyGPonder-fj6hq]

I absolutely understand what CarL is Saying.. They wanted him off the Show and used his hair Situation as an excuse to say he broke Rules! This happened to me in the Regular workforce and I felt that same exact way like it was out of my control and whatever he says wouldn’t change anything!!

[@mca217]

The bottom line is that the stylist threw him under the bus by not telling the truth to Bill.

[@gregjames5439]

Sound Hella accurate

[@esseen100]

Exactly. and when you're young and not understanding what's going on and why people would even do something like that it can be traumatic. It's even triggering for him now if you watch how he responds to the questions. Even after an epic show like Martin has rebranded and allowed him to reinvent himself and create history, even to the point where it seems like Martin's last name was after his own last name as a salute to Carl's contribution to television history. It seems like he still hurts from that Bill incident.

[@cloudclub5326]

man i aint buying it...yes the stylist threw him under the bus....but as he said in this interview, HE NEVER SPOKE UP FOR HIMSELF. he let Cosby scream on him about an issue that he never caused and then let Cosby dismiss him. as a 15 year old in the 80s, how the hell dont you have the gumption to stand up for yourself??? and yes he also messed up by not having an agent or manager as well. but as he said, if im 15 and this is the best thing that has happened in my life, why would I let this moment slip away from me without standing up and speaking my piece? especially when Im not the 1 in the wrong

[@esseen100]

@@cloudclub5326 context is everything. I thought as you thought but from my standpoint as a 15 year old in the 80s. And I was nowhere in a position like his. Where you have your whole self-esteem and family well-being, as well as the magnitude of the show and possibly your future on your shoulders and at risk of crumbling should you respond to this man the wrong way.🤔

[@CoffeeCrazy]

@@cloudclub5326you must have been a mess at 15. 😂 jk. he was a CHILD and was probably reared to respect elders as most of us were during that time. Now given everything that we have heard about Mr. Puddin pop it should not surprise us that he was a bully. I agree with Carl, it had to be something more. Maybe the stylist told Cosby that he put chemicals in his hair and the requirement was for everyone to have natural hair. I have to say that Cockroach was growing in his character and maybe he wanted to knock him down because Malcom was endearing to Bill and did not want to over shadow Theo. I’m glad he moved on to another successful show and did not allow the trauma from his youth to kill his dreams.

[@kg8472]

Whether cockroach , Cole or some of the other roles this gentlemen has played he has bodied it ! Much respect!

[@jumahbrady670]

Facts 💯

[@terrywilliams6357]

No doubt

[@ericdixon2850]

Agreed!

[@shaquanbivins847]

Facts he really has range as an actor too

[@Tigersniper99]

Cole is an iconic character in our culture. Legend

[@cicsleygalloway5080]

He's choosing his answers and wording very carefully. In his industry, I can understand.

[@Aseop]

These dudes are too old to be clowning like this, they sound dense af! Carl is a few years older than me. I think part of the reason was Cockroach's popularity growing as Theo's friend. He was involved in more and more episodes, and he shined in each one. Im sure Malcolm felt a way about it.

[@irisray6574]

My thoughts as well.

[@earlwilliamsjr2415]

He still didn't know why he got fired, but why would he not find out by NOW. Without guessing.😮

[@StickySweetGirl]

He was only in a total of 12 episodes. The Cosby Show used to have anywhere from 24 to 26 episode seasons back in the 80s. Malcolm had plenty of time to shine without him. Plus, they didn't always use all of the kids in episodes. A kid or two would be absent from entire episodes sometimes.

[@C-Lyfe85]

These interviewers are clowns. Everybody in the comment section swear that Carl is lying. Unless you were there, you don't know. This is not a celebrity from the IG live era, where all dirty laundry has to be put out there.

[@ddavis8988]

I think people are making it out to be something sinister. Somebody on staff messed up. Instead of that person stepping up and saying my bead, they played the background and let the kid take the blame. The kid, not really knowing how to navigate the situation, just took it on the chin. Should the adult have stepped up and took the blame? Yeah But that's not real life. Most people aren't stepping up to take the heat.

[@MatrixDesigner85]

💯 happens at your local fast food joint or grocery store smh

[@Angels8Harmony]

You are literally the only intelligent person in the entire comment section. This shit happens in everyday life….somebody messes up in big way, someone bites the bullet! People always trying to create conspiracies out of dust. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ahmadmoore4737]

Happens in every work space! Most people ain't shit morally to begin with so whenever money/career progression is involved, it's cutthroat committee city!!

[@samuelrosslee408]

You NAILED It.

[@hooptastic_hippie8522]

Finally..a real sensible take on the situation

[@pennyteaser8976]

Sometimes losing can be your biggest blessing. Look at him now. Remember what is for you is for you that wasn't. Look how blessed you are in spite of that moment.

[@charlesbutler3984]

My boy been in the industry since last dragon 💪🙏

[@crystalshipfilmmakers3002]

I worked on The Cosby Show with Carl and recalled the same story.

[@TalkinnGrubbinMedia]

If you don't mind me asking, what was your job on "The Cosby Show"?

[@1thetvzone]

Allen Payne told the story that Carl got fired because of the hair story....This was probably 1986...Almost 40 yrs ago, and they said Bill ran a tight ship on the show...Carl was 15 he probably didn't know any reason and someone took the time to make it a big deal and Bill probably made it a even bigger deal.

[@crystalshipfilmmakers3002]

At that time the industry was in a very different place compared to today. If Carl had someone to advocate for him, especially as a adolescent actor, perhaps the situation could have been handled better.

[@reginaldblack8326]

@@1thetvzoneWhy is Allen speaking for Carl?

[@reginaldblack8326]

@@crystalshipfilmmakers3002What was your job on TCS? Did Bill treat everyone( production staff, grips, gaffers, assistants, janitors, lighting)) with respect?

[@asmodeusashmedai2877]

I like how he answered the questions. He only spoke on Cosby because he was a part of his career.

[@bennisford1712]

He always does it... keeps the confusion down

[@sugadeeification]

Carl Payne deserves much respect and much props for his work over the years. He definitely got railroaded, his persistence put him into to place he's in today.

[@bigdaddyromeo9631]

I heard this line from a movie the other day it says who cares about the truth when the first thing they heard was the lie so you'll always be stuck defending the lie no matter if you prove the truth people will always question you about the LIE. Meaning people always believe what they hear the first time

[@Fowler0526]

Carl Payne is a solid dude

[@ymielmn1]

Something is not right with what he’s saying! He keeps making excuses and not telling what really happened!

[@tru2all84]

agree. something’s missing.

[@roderickmuhammad2091]

I will say it, the hair thing was a smoke screen for Carl Payne to be let go from the Cosby Show!

[@debo6012]

What you think it was

[@roderickmuhammad2091]

@@debo6012 Need more info to be honest!

[@MemphisMo]

Clearly...

[@antoinesmith4697]

Bottom line!

[@priscillawright2010]

Bingo

[@Mr21young]

Sounds like he wants to tell us without telling us…. Whatever that is….

[@deejayy8303]

💯

[@aigneraigner6122]

Yea sound like he left some of the story out

[@TheBulletzgottishow20]

He always keep it a stack about being fired from the Cosby he never dissed Dr Cosby like others do but I heard Malcolm and him had issues

[@kingsports1113]

Malcolm probably told Bill don't hire him back 😂😂😂

[@TheBulletzgottishow20]

@@kingsports1113 yeah he probably did

[@s4mp_founder]

Definitely more to the story and you can sense it from how he’s telling the story.

[@TheBulletzgottishow20]

@@s4mp_founder yeah the drama with him and Malcolm deep

[@sinceremarks8529]

U could tell if was a traumatic situation for him as a kid.

[@SirTizzy]

This is amazing! A story I have wondered forever! Thank you Math! You're really getting GOAT'd out here! 💙🙏🏽

[@walterclark3198]

Cockroach was a great character and a true friend to Theo.

[@pedrojustice6341]

People came and went on the Cosby show. Everyone did well being able to use the Cosby show as a credit. Things worked out in the end

[@bennisford1712]

My thoughts exactly... Theo had alot of friends

[@TalkinnGrubbinMedia]

@@bennisford1712 Adam Sandler got his first acting job on "The Cosby Show" as Sonny. A lot more actors and actresses that we know now appeared on the show.

[@bennisford1712]

@@TalkinnGrubbinMedia absolutely that's what made the show so great because of their rotating friends

[@bennisford1712]

@@TalkinnGrubbinMedia Tatiana Ali,Angela Bassett, Blair Underwood, Kadeem Hardison,Dontre Whitfield, Allen Payne,Vanessa L.Williams played 2 characters on there... I can go on and on

[@TalkinnGrubbinMedia]

@@bennisford1712 Yep. I forgot that Taytana Ali was on there but I remember everybody else. Stacey Dash was on there too (back when she wasn't off the wall).

[@s4mp_founder]

He did something else before that and Bill used the hair incident as an excuse to get rid of him.

[@latricewashington6045]

He was becoming popular and some argue he was a fan favorite.

[@misschoklate2012]

I don’t think the younger generation understands how powerful Cosby was in that area. He was a gatekeeper, for decades . If he said it was so it was do whether right or wrong . Math Hoffa acting all surprised like he hasn’t heard how this man got down back then . Lmao .

[@Noetik5000]

They always trying to squeeze the bottle for more juice 😂 think y'all slick with those questions.

[@dimensionaluniverse5215]

He still acting like Cole from Martin, talking in circles but much respect

[@khalilshahyd9063]

"Rent'em spoons!"

[@SlimSummers22]

Best comment in the comment section 😂😂😂

[@justme8201]

I read it like he said it in Martin 😂

[@Chopsuey90190]

He not telling us something!! It’s obvious!!! 🤔

[@latricewashington6045]

He was a breakout star. He became a show favorite. It’s probably for that reason.

[@dannyforlife4586]

I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂

[@lisanixon2428]

🤫

[@tadah21]

He protecting someone or himself

[@moniquetripp5028]

People need to pay attention he’s talking about Malcom Jamal Warner that’s why he said we only were colleagues we only work together. I bet you, Malcom didn’t even reach out to him after he was fired.

[@cardijefferson1427]

But Carl won . Because Cole character had a way bigger impact on Black culture than Cockroach character

[@kingsports1113]

Bill Cosby won he put everyone on

[@Mayo2014]

On black culture is a bit much 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cardijefferson1427]

@Mayo2014 not really in Black culture what character he played he's more referred to I bet when he is in the Airport .. Black folks isn't saying Carl or Cockroach it's Cole so impact bro

[@nickatnite16]

​​@@Mayo2014indeed lol

[@daminharris3879]

O so yall gonna act like Martin didn't impact blk culture?? It's a classic show dat has high replay value n ratings n also has cult following so stop it wit da " impacted blk culture is a bit much bs" Everything does not have 2 b a "I have a dream" speech 2 impact blk culture

[@DRaquascapes]

"I blessed yall by even being here...and im not saying nothin"

[@majorant102]

Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯

[@3dhaus]

At first I felt suspicious due to Carl being so careful with his words. But then i started thinking (because we're the same age) how much precise detail do I recall from situations that went down with me at age 15?

[@MikeWizard]

Is he trying to insinuate Malcolm Jamal Warner hated on him in real life? Also if "Dancemania" was Cockroach getting written off the show that's genius 😮

[@latricewashington6045]

No. They wanted him off because he was out shining Malcolm in some scenes.

[@derrickbrooks3981]

This dude is taking in circles...

[@TCapo1185]

Yeah, it’s annoying af

[@oldmanflenory9387]

Right, I’m glad I’m not trippin

[@shymcg]

“But again” 😂😂😂

[@downwiththekings2534]

Right 😡

[@MrAvant25]

It's probably because he still has to, or he will break that thing he took.

[@TheMick126]

A haircut wasn't it

[@SanzStLouis]

They need someone who is great at asking questions. He said that it was mentioned that he was on “parole”. We could have gotten the answer right there

[@lamaranthony4028]

Something happened, he not telling the whole story.

[@standupG1]

I get the same feeling too. But he did say he didn't have a manager. That person would have been the one to inform the producers what really happened.

[@suburbiajones2268]

I believe he permed his own hair, trying to get the Jeri curl look

[@jayraider521614]

Yall questions were real stupid because yall were so busy trying to get clickbait answers. SMDH Sometimes yall be real ignorant.

[@lifelessons85]

Sad but true bro

[@CaptainKneegrowMan]

He's definitely leaving something out

[@dware77]

Yea something ain't adding up.

[@TonyBeBlessed]

He is

[@SuperbNProsper]

I was thinking the same thing. It’s his demeanor

[@israeliteonlycampkilluhi.o2108]

Facts....He's Definitely leaving something Out in My Opinion....he has a Weird Aura On him...maybe they Network felt it.

[@lashiiathompson1353]

He’s leaving a lot out!!!

[@mfasiscrackbeats3543]

i get the impression there’s things he doesn’t want to go too deep into so as to avoid any friction. Hollywood’s a strange place but big up to Carl Payne for his contributions to tv and film.

[@twocents6951]

Sounds like he was fired for some BS.

[@Bambii4974]

And paid for his troubles, and now he can't speak on it. People would rather believe he did something than look at how these adults handled it. If he did do something, guess what, he was 15. Most teenagers do stupid shit at times. Finding out Bill Cosby wasn't shit hurt a lot of people, and they refuse to hold him accountable no matter what. All of those kids have a story about him, so how is one child lying, but the others aren't?

[@nickatnite16]

The Cos must have an 80s NDA on this cat

[@GavStaR79]

Cockaroach was gaining more popularity than Theo..and was outshinning him in all their scenes. Cockaroach was also more easy on the eyes....an upcoming star. Theo wasn't having it and Cosby took action to save the Theo character. Done.

[@wasteofspace20]

I loved picture pages gents, couldn’t get enough of that.

[@debo6012]

Read between the lines

[@krisreed9042]

Thank you

[@iseerashonal821]

Carls sounds like he was doing something stupid and Cosby used the hair as an excuse to go off on him. He's being too vague

[@buffstudwell646]

He leaving something out about that hair situation lol

[@1thetvzone]

Hey it his story to tell and if there some missing pieces- maybe he not ready to share....wait another 10 yrs.

[@kimanimccoy472]

HE WAS 15

[@ricoraheem3135]

You maintain your youth when are a sincere benevolent person

[@ChrisMagma4U]

I think he probably was getting more laughs than Malcolm. Could be he went off script sometimes and got more laughs. So Cosby used the hair thing as an excuse.

[@PhillyTroy]

Thought that was Royce...didn't even read the title 😂

[@letstalkaboutit-lta9435]

😂

[@thedarksideoftheforce6658]

You are high. Keep it 💯 You skipped the big ass title with his name how? 🤨

[@dantemackey7471]

Join the club... I thought it was musiq soulchild LOL

[@JayStiles-kt2pm]

​@dantemackey7471 Good one Musiq but still 😆

[@onemindchannel]

Y’all got musiq soul child on here again?

[@shaundasmith7765]

lol

[@j-rockwells3807]

Carl dont want to reveal too much cause he might get sued or blackballed these days you cant say nothing without your reputation being tarnished

[@queensb3852]

sounds like Carl is holding something back ... not saying whole truth

[@guymccloud6731]

The line where my man asked Carl, what did you do...mess with Rudy? There was an 11 year gap. C'mon son. 🤦🏾 Props to Carl for saying his peace and nothing more.

[@themissingink444]

I think Malcolm Jamal Warner was JEALOUS because, although Cockroach was a minor character, he overtook the scenes with his presence. For him to have only been in just over 10 episodes, he definitely stood out!

[@MEazy59]

Cole said he’s not a basher nor does he do interviews, but he was literally on a comedy hype interview bashing Martin IN an interview 😂😂😂💀. These 🥷

[@aaronflowers8881]

He doesn't do a lot of interviews

[@jordanasim8757]

Carl Payne is a legend. A real one ❤

[@changeoffocus1074]

Damn Up Against Damon & Don ! *But I Still Voted For You!* 😂 🗳️ Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Television Movie, Limited-Series or Dramatic Special

[@classic1557]

Math is MESSY

[@michaelallen8112]

How 😆🔎

[@alantoler8266]

He was so great as cockroach...I missed his role later on ....the Cosby show was and is the greatest bLk show on TV....there nothing that's close and it was at a time when the streets were the roughest....

[@rondadonjuan4102]

Lowkey the story didn’t make sense to me for it to be 2 parts🤣

[@SPEIGHTS78]

I honestly think since the show was growing, expanding as were the characters. And Theos character like the others changed and evolved. The ONLY kid to have there childhood friend stay 90% of time with the character was Rudy n Kenny. And that was because she was the youngest so they kind of had to pick who she was going to hang with as she grew up. The others were all preteen to teenagers or in Saundra character an adult. So there really wasn't a need to keep their friends around like that

[@bbkg1979]

Sounds a lot like my journey, being ousted from situations not having a clue why. Or given the chance to have a conversation. Humanity has forever kidnapped and murdered context.

[@gregjames5439]

Yall betta thank Coley Cole for getting me back f#ckin wit yall 😂

[@blvdskino9363]

Dr.Hustable was tripping 😂

[@kingsports1113]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh my God that espiode was funny as fuk Vanessa took both to skating

[@sdseals2076]

Huxtable.

[@Icymank]

Get prepared to not here answers 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@sugadeeification]

Brother definitely deserves his flowers! 😆

[@vincecinnamon6716]

Somebody always doing Cole wrong😂

[@wreckteamtex4460]

Kids at that age are afraid to speak up and assert themselves they don't even even know how to adequately do so at that age in Most Cases

[@theyoungcommander]

He definitely leaving something out.

[@soulbrutha23]

15 he's not out with the ladies at the club, stay with the conversation

[@darrellcoleman7164]

Malcolm Jamal Warner out here catching strays because people can't figure out why Cockroach was fired. LOL!

[@SeanNYC914]

That karma had to spin the block on Pill Cosby.

[@MADDSONN]

Man sit your ass down somewhere

[@yb9104]

Are you saying something without saying nothing? I'm confused Bro?

[@lboogietheentertainer1638]

I said the same shit .. why even bring it up 😂

[@kelvinfinch7851]

When youre heavily invested in a system like Hollywood, Its best to choose your words carefully. You'll never hear Michael Jordan blast Nike. Theres just too much at stake.

[@yb9104]

The moral of the story... just say "Next question" 😂

[@EpIcGaMeZHD]

Bruh I thought this waa Royce da 59 at first 😂😂

[@dxcalmusic]

Sometimes it's easy to forget in these environments that your boss is not your friend and it's still a job like any other, there's expectations of you like any other job, if you don't meet those expectations like any other normal job you might get let go

[@michaellopez8894]

Pac Juice strikes again

[@jamilray2]

This is why Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy are my favorites growing up.

[@WhatReally980]

Now he’s on probation

[@themiseducationoftheameric7407]

He also said some personal stuff happen between him and Martin when doing Martin. He's starting to look like the "common denominator" in a lot of this stuff man

[@pierrelabriel9223]

I feel that he's not saying something or leaving something out of the story. 🤔

[@listeningviayoutube7229]

Facts

[@darrylboone2024]

Yo Math that last bar was crazy 🔥🔥can't wait to hear the whole track blessings King

[@vixenstar1]

Love this man more now! Bumboclawt 🔥🔥🔥

[@TheFilmSpace1]

Carl look and talk like Dame Dash 😂

[@twocents6951]

Harlem swag

[@Sko448s]

😂

[@AlmondGlazedSunrise]

At certain blurry angles because of the shades, hat and beard, he looks a liiiiiiitle like Royce da 5'9".

[@8letterman761]

I just said that to myself 😂

[@milliemusic]

Mans smackin gum all in the mic

[@williamalexander6130]

If anything, I'm really surprised by Carl's vocabulary, speech, and delivery flow bc he's really articulate and that's not something often seen with child actors.

[@4pokketwalkerhomebaby153]

Tell roach wassup 😂😂😂😂

[@valeriagude903]

I can tell the people in these comments were born after the millennium 🙄😂 I’m not at all surprised he didn’t say anything because we had to respect our elders back then!!! This generation does and says whatever tf they want😂 to all our detriment

[@skrunitup4755]

I’m lost

[@rsg-ow8nm]

They talkin bout why he was fired from Cosby show...that jheri curl. And cuz Bill got all that shit on em and this incident...Carl really tryin be mature with his answerin...Said he didnt wanna bash on Bill

[@skrunitup4755]

@@rsg-ow8nmrespectfully make sense

[@listeningviayoutube7229]

He is too

[@beforeyourimmigrants8471]

He is not telling the truth.

[@jefeking2117]

He’s hella underrated!

[@timewarp38]

This man tryin not to get blacklisted. lol

[@jonq7664]

Love Roach and Cole characters. Did his thing with those two. But have say his story isn’t quite adding up on why he left Cosby Show. Seems like something petty happened and he ain’t speaking on that part

[@rhondaphillips236]

The way a teenager handles things vs the adult Carl Anthony, is totally different

[@suburbiajones2268]

He’s lying, he can’t even keep his story straight.