Introduction to 'Business of Architecture Photography' Video Series w/ Mike Kelley

[@bl4841]

the array of muted colors in this room is amazing. I need a pastel polo now, thanks mike

[@jeremysantiago3793]

Great content and knowledge by both. I'm looking forward to learn more about this business.

[@murphyjanitorial]

That vintage CanCity Podcast mug is sick!!!!

[@MatthewAPhoto]

It’s a callback/Easter egg 🤣

[@Hackbarthja]

Can’t wait until I can buy this course and just absorb 🤙🏻

[@iainrobinson8451]

This is great but how specific is it to USA vs UK (or other countries)? Cheers guys :)

[@MatthewAPhoto]

To be perfectly frank...I can't say for sure. The only section that I would say is heavily more "US" than others is the video on copyright. Many because we discuss laws specific to US copyright.

[@aaronmiles3846]

What's the running time of this series? Difficult to make a purchase decision without knowing.

[@MatthewAPhoto]

Each video is roughly 45min - 1 hour. One or two of them go well over an hour.

[@tomashudolin7197]

I think here in Czech republic we have really specific market ;)

[@Kaisersozze]

I think you can only be buds with photographers outside your market. At the same time are architects in the same city best friends with competing architects? I doubt it. I wish in my market we were all on the same page as far as usage, but some want the upper hand and in doing so screw over everyone else. I had a client tell me that Joe Blow #1 and #2 lets them do whatever they want with their images including giving them away for free to their own clients/subcontracts etc. Now these subcontracts and whoever else gets these images for free think that photos are free, why would they ever hire a photographer?! Not to mention it just cheapens the profession. Sets a horrible precedent. Also, giving photos away for free never got me a job, I think this idea is bullshit by the way just as much as getting 'credit' for the photos instead of payment. I'm in western Canada. I think my policy is more based on morality then finance but it's also definitely hurting me financially, to what extent I really don't know. There's also very little communication from clients, they won't ever say why you didn't get the job. Is it appropriate to give a gentle push for an answer after sending an estimate an not getting it? Have you guys asked a client why they didn't pick you for a job or is this not appropriate/hurts chances of getting the next one? Of course I bet some ask for an estimate knowing they won't hire you, they just want to make sure what the rates are for other photographers.

If it helps, whenever I send an estimate, I create a notice on my calendar to send a follow-up email after a week. In that email I don't ask what they think of the price or if they agree. I ask them to simply confirm that they've received the information that THEY have requested and that I've bothered to send. Out of politeness, I think I at least deserve an answer. Obviously I do it in a polite way, not with these words that I write here. Normally they already tell me if it seems good or not. The reason they reject me doesn't interest me. I have many clients or new people who contact me who agree with my prices based on the quality of my photos. If there's someone who finds me expensive or doesn't like my work, I won't worry. Of course you can't be the choice for everybody. In fact, that would mean that you are probably too cheao. I know that I never stop looking at courses, talking to other photographers and trying to learn and improve, both as a photographer and as a business owner. The way to be a better photographer and a better business man won't be given to me by a client who rejects me, it will be given by other photographers who have more experience or I'll find it in business courses and books, related to photography or not. I hope I have explained myself and contributed something.

[@Kaisersozze]

@ Thanks for your response. I find general follow ups don't do anything, if they wanted me they would have told me and any sort of push I ever did never worked out. Not getting at least a thank you for me taking the time to make an estimate is of course rude but that's life and it happens rarely.

@@Kaisersozze It often happens to me that they've been busy or haven't had time to consider the different offers they have received. Some of those times they tell me they're okay with my offer and they'll work with me. If waiting for their reply was something I had in mind, now it's one less thing to think about. It helps me to be more relaxed and more present. And even if they reject me, I also feel good for, somehow, having taught them that when you ask for an estimate, it's correct to reply to the email even if it's out of consideration for the person on the other end. Good luck!

[@Kaisersozze]

@ Maybe I'll start doing it next time I don't get a response. I do like the idea of correcting their behaviour haha.

[@thecinemafox5531]

“The gear doesn’t matter” - guy who owns a Canon 5dsr to a guy who has a Sony a7rIV haha