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Ever wanted to try a Leica lens on Lumix camera!? I did some Leica R lens photography + Leica M lens photography using the Lumix S5 camera. Here is my first thoughts review of the Panasonic Lumix S5 Camera (DC-S5)(as a Leica photographer and the expectations that coming with using nice cameras)(Aka. I guess a critical review comparing some of the key features for Lumix S5 vs Leica. I bought the Panasonic S5 for photos mostly but as a KZbinr I will use for video too. Video explains how I use the Lumix S5 with Leica M lenses + Lumix S5 with Leica R lenses. I bought the Lumix S5 + Lumix 20-60mm kit lens but I plan to use mostly MF lenses. Video includes Leica R lens photos and Leica M lens photos with Lumix.
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[@TheGermanCompounder]

excited for your S5 with M lenses Video :) enjoyed watching this!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks TJ!

[@rmojica70]

Great video Matt I was considering getting S5 but low on funds I got a Z 6 instead I love it a low light beast.

[@GeorgeKowalski135]

I love shooting vintage lenses especially using my Leica CL but I wanted a new full frame camera. After much thought and comparisons, I bought into the L mount alliance with a Panasonic S5. This is a fantastic camera. Yes it is different than the CL but that is a good thing. Vintage lenses are easy to use and I am having fun shooting the S5 manually with the same set up as yours. Both cameras make me smile.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Hi George! Thanks for stopping by. Yes, I was like you, love the APS-C CL but wanted to use some classic lenses on FF. Enjoying the S5 for that so far! :)

[@stuartmeador8993]

The 20->60 lens is a jewel. It covers a very practical range for casual photography... Couldn't handle the Lumix menu system and went back to Leica (SL2).

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you Stuart, i'm glad it isn't just me with the menus. Yes I love the 20-60 range but wish it was a 2.8 lens (I know that would make it bigger and heavier).

[@TL-vt8uk]

I am a Leica user and I bought the S5, awesome little daily carry that is full frame. Quite happy with this purchase.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks TL! Yes agreed and congrats on yours too!

[@MichaelScheele]

I really like fully articulated viewscreens. In addition to low angle shots, shooting from above my head in a crowd or above an obstacle comes in handy from time to time. As I'm short, that's more often than for taller photographers.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Michael, yes good tip for anyone less tall!

[@chrisloomis1489]

Badges: Matt I enjoy your work in Flickr , I have many M mount VC and one Leica lens, been shooting all on my Sony , if the Lumix has the same sensor quality as a Leica M240 or M10 , then I can use it instead of an altered Sony camera to get that " better " resolution with my M mount lenses. I love the manual lenses , but miss a lot of images for shooting in a time consuming way. The flip screen is a huge deal , and if the M Lenses an R Lenses work , this is a peach ! Still yes , I want an M10 Monochrome so dearly , and the new .. film M body to use in portraiture and street / lifestyle work. This is genuinely a thoughtful review and also an exposition of self discovery for a Leica shooter as you are. I enjoyed this information .. Matt you have helped me greatly as my desire is using Vintage and Leica or other M and R , M42 , Exacta etc lenses. Old glass is good. Matt ; I cannot get on the full throttle gear race so I love my unique older friends ...my lovely glass. Thanks for the great honest review. Thank you: Half Centurian ....

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Chris, much appreciated. I fear it will be one of my most hated videos for the content and strong views but for those like you that may enjoy similar things to me i'm glad it could help.

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[@jeromearnould9940]

Great video nice explain of your "good" choice...And congrats for the 10K subscribers ....

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you Jerome! I continue to appreciate your support as a valued Patreon 🙏🏻

[@fellowcitizen]

Relevant and interesting perspective/analysis, thanks :) I am attracted to the Leica legacy as well, though I'd have bought the TL2 even if it had been made by Tesco because it's so stunning. I prefer the blurred cluttered background, though - I think that checquered background must be the ultimate distraction for a contrast AF system lol

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks about the background, I left it up after a shoot so decided to try for the video. Yes camera couldn't cope at all! :) Noted!

[@epstar83]

Nice one Matt! I remember a time when the other Matt (Granger) used to be called “that Nikon guy” and he then went on to explore a ton of different brands on his channel. I think he has gone back to Nikon now but he just calls his channel by his name. Haha. Adapting wide angle lenses to mirrorless is what got me into an SL. The best resource I’ve found for researching how M lenses perform on mirrorless bodies is Reid Reviews. It’s a paid subscription but totally worth it! The corners do get soft with wide angle M lenses on mirrorless but for most folks it’s not a problem in real world shooting. I think architectural guys will find the Leica SL a better camera though because the sensor glass is still optimised for wide angle lenses which is not the case on Panasonic, Sony, Fuji, Nikon etc.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Mike, great to see you here! Yes agreed the SL makes sense for wides when the corners count. Thanks for the tip on lens reviews. Yes I think I called myself MrLeica around the time That Nikon Guy was doing his thing as I shot Nikon back then :)

[@chrisloomis1489]

Agree ; this is why you have to remove a filter in the SONY cameras to use M lenses with optimum results. Am lookin at doing a sensor alteration on an Alpha FE just for my M lenses.. I use the M lenses a lot !!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@chrisloomis1489 thanks Chris, I guess the modification is cheaper than a SL? Are you not tempted to just get an older used SL body?

[@petemcknight803]

I appreciate your honesty about your love of Leica and the branding. It’s totally understandable. I also appreciate you delving outside the red dot realm to review other cameras and lenses. It is a fact that not everybody can afford the Leica ecosystem nor does their photography warrant such expenditures. I don’t doubt that Leica look results are amazing as you have shown. But there are lots of photographers out there who get beautiful shots from other brands. Thank you for the review of the S5. I am a Sony A7Rii shooter but would like to use more M mount and R mount older manual lenses. Looks like the S5 does a great job with these lenses. Sony is nice but the LUMIX seems to do better with people.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Peter! :) Yes the Lumix delivers great images for me.

[@LucyS565]

Great review Matt! Very educational! Thanks!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Lucy!

[@jimslens]

Thanks for the very interesting video. I have always been a big Panasonic Lumix user, with lots of Leica Panasonic lenses, so there has always been that connection between Leica and Panasonic in the lens designs. My biggest concern about bodies like the Leica LS2 is the weight - 2 lbs. So the alternate Lumix S5 at 1.58 lbs. is an alternative for getting into L mount. And I like the buttons...

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Jim! Yes the S5 is a great entry point for L mount. I'm not sure if you saw my later video but I ended up getting the Leica SL to use as my main body and I will use the S5 for video / backup.

[@1stfootprint_art]

Nice commentary... I liked what you said about branding... and the enjoyment of photography... I personally feel that anything that inspires someone to shoot is worth it... whether that is a particular brand or something else... for me personally the user interface and performance consistency is the most important... I am not that concerned by performance accuracy as long as any inaccuracy is consistent... give me a simple user interface and consistent performance and I am a happy shooter...

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks! Yes that makes sense. Yes it's weird, after using Leica for so long I now feel a bit silly walking round with a Lumix even though it can take very similar photos.

[@RJW998]

Thank you Matt. Great honest review.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you! Yes that’s the goal of this channel 👍🏻

[@InArcadiaSum]

Excellent review. I've been holding my breath for the mythical CL2, but was looking at the SL2-S if a CL2 didn't arrive. Besides my CL, I have a Leica D-Lux 7 (Panasonic LX100 II) for a "pocket" camera, so the Pany menus are familiar, and I think I will buy the S5, as I don't want a hefty camera. That way, I may also have enough left in the kitty for a CL2, if one appears.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks for your feedback! Yes the price of the S5 makes it a viable second body option for sure. Yes we wait to see what the CL2 might bring! :)

[@A861967]

Great review as always. I use both Fujifilm XT1, X70 and Sony A73 my main camera is XT1 reason is the Feel and the vintage lens I use with it. I wished Fuji and Sony made a Camera ... probably would make one like a LEiCA 🙂

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you and haha nice concept! Maybe one day :)

[@rudigerwolf9626]

Matt - a really fair review. I had both the SL2S and Panasonic S5 for a few days. Normal images are difficult to differentiate. Love the articulating back screen and size of the S5. Ended up with the SL2S because: EVF resolution, muscle memory for the menu of the SL2 and CL, Color differences at high iso (SL2S is truer to actual colors at high ISO). The last item is particularly interesting for me, as I wanted the SL2S or S5 for high iso images where I give up resolution for image quality. Thank-you for the honest, straight-forward assessment!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Rudiger! I appreciate your experience of using both bodies and feedback. I only shot with a SL2-S for a few hours in daylight conditions. If money was no object I’d get the Leica too and keep the S5 more for video.

[@morganmiller7777]

Mate, there’s no way the SL and the S5 are equals with sensor output-character, color, look/feel.

[@rudigerwolf9626]

@@morganmiller7777 I think that is what I said. So you have compared them at normal and high iso? That is what I had the opportunity to do.

[@morganmiller7777]

@@rudigerwolf9626 to be honest, I own the SL, and have only compared tiffs from the s5 from others. The sensor output is different with the same lens

[@18yearsoldnot]

@@morganmiller7777how so? I think I know what you mean because I have a tl2 with the tl 35 which I love for its simplicity and image quality but want more highlight and shadow recovery for pro and landscape work. Would you strongly recommend the sl over say the newer s5iix? I also have a sigma fp and Nikon z5 as my wildlife and cine cams but now I’m looking for something that renders skin tones and highlights really well. The Nikons are great at suppressing highlights but they are terrible at gentle shadows in my opinion

[@Deetroiter]

I have to say that the last week or so, I've been looking at the Lumix S5 and it seems to be a VERY compelling camera! I had a Lumix GF9 (micro 4/3rds) and it put out some seriously nice looking photos for such a cheap camera. One thing that I didn't like too much is sometimes the pictures had a too sharp, too processed look to them. I chalk that up to however Lumix programmed their processing for the pictures. 99% of the time though they looked just right. I wonder if the S5 also has this type of too-processed look to the photos it puts out?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

You can decide yourself from my S5 blog post. I agree M43 look a bit too sharpened. I have GX880 & GX80.

[@johnhjic2]

Hi Matt, One of the thing I do with sorry both my Nikon and Hasselblad is to connect them by there own wifi to either my phone or iPad then uses them a monitors. Which can save me lying down or my ...

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks John, that's a great tip for landscapes/ buildings etc. Thanks!

[@philipcupid6660]

Matt - I bought a Leica R5 and I also bought a few Tamron Adaptall Lenses a year or so ago I am waiting to process the film and I hope to do the same as you did with the lenses.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Philip, yes great idea!

[@stevenjohnson4283]

@ 6:00 minutes that Brunette shot with the Summicron 90mm f/2 has so much 3D pop dude, its awesome. Thats a lens and a half! I looked at the price on ebay at $4,000 AUD plus it had better blow my/your socks off! I'm a Pentax shooter and we've got loads of lenses with the 3D pop. That 90mm is off the hook!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Steven! No it's not all bad. 1) Watch that full video for info 2) it is not the new version its the old Pre-ASPH so maybe £500-600 (price a few years ago) Yes it's hard to beat for portraits.

[@russellmann8297]

Thanks so much! This helps me a lot with my decision.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Russell! Yes I hoped it might help others with the same thought process as me!

[@mrmartygervais]

I wonder what do you think using L-mount lenses for APC like the ones for CL (23 mm, 18-56 etc.). I bought the CL and I have lenses for it, but is there a way of getting those lenses to work with a higher resolution with the S5. I bought the S5 but had hoped to use all my CL lenses. What are your thoughts?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Hi Marty, yes sorry I should have said in the video. Great point. You can use but it crops the sensor so you only get 12MP of the 24MP from the S5.. as I understand and from the smaller file size. I was enjoying the low MP Leica M8 not so long ago so 12MP is still enough if you get a clean shot I think.

[@manoj60mishra]

Thanks Matt. I like your style very much. How did you attach your M lenses to S5? The Leica M to L adaptor? Have you compared its use with say SL?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Hello MM, thank you! Yes I use Leica M-L adapter + 7Artisan M-L adapter (see that video to see both). I compared to SL2-S but not enough to make a video. I will compare to SL when I get chance. Stay tuned!

[@frontstandard1488]

I have the S1, bought it in December 2023 as new for £750. Having used film for 34 years this is my first serious digital camera. It's great for learning about digital photography and does so much that I'll not use. I love the high resolution viewfinder and seeing the exposure in it is a great feature. The screen is also very high resolution for its time. It's damned solid and well made but I agree, it's not a Leica SL in looks. Menus are fine for me, pretty easy once you've had a little time. Mainly the sensor is very good, clean, natural colour, and I have sigma 40/1.4 and 28/1.4 hsm lenses with L mount. The image quality is better than I expected. These are very good lenses and the Panasonic sensor suits them well. But I would like a manual focus portrait lens from Leica or Zeiss for the colour.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Yes see my S5 vs SL video. Both can create nice photos but one is more fun to use. (The S1 is better than the S5*)

[@creature57]

I found your video really helpful. I recently purchased the S5 and I have Leica R lenses to use on the camera. So from your images, I'm seeing you use the 7 Artisans LM-L adapter on the camera and then you put on top of that the M - L regular Novaflex (Metabones here in the States) on AND then the R lenses. Do I have that right?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Great! Yes you can get Novaflex R-L but I use M bodies too so I stack R-M + M-L

[@creature57]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks Matt. Very helpful information.

[@rmojica70]

Great video Matt I was considering buying S5 but with low funds instead I got a Z6 instead it’s a low light beast. Thank you

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Rafael!

[@2501hd]

May I ask how much closer can you get when you use the 7 Artisan M-L adapter for your M lenses?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

I've not measured but see that 7A video and I show it live from memory. More that twice as close..

[@sromrell]

It might sound funny but I have a Leica X1 and it has a really neat “look” that you don’t see with the CL & SL2. I’m guessing it’s something you see in the M240 as well.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks, ah yes possibly! I see the lower DR in the M240 which can give a nice punch look when your eyes get used to modern sensors (Like looking at M8 files when eyes used to M240) :)

[@continental883]

Nice review. Leica glass and the manual experience will continue to go unappreciated by most AF devotees, but focusing a Leica lens will always be a treat for those who have experienced it. The ability to switch between modern AF Zeiss lenses for my A7iii and my old Leica M lenses and not sacrifice IQ is fantastic. The Lumix looks like a viable option down the road on the used market possibly for me one day if it's performance with adapters for M lenses is vastly superior to what can be currently achieved on a A7iii and if the high ISO is comparable.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks I would expect M lenses performance to be similar to Sony as probably all made in the same factory :) .. but so far i've been happy.

[@continental883]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The examples you posted were excellent. But the eye autofocus with my Zeiss f1.4 lenses has been uncanny. Not having to focus manually and recompose after was a game changer for me. I hope they continue to improve the Lumix line though. Competition is good for the consumer.

[@eagleeyephoto8715]

Hi Matt.Can you say something about the corner smearing on S5 when using M mount (wide angle) lenses?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

It’s not as bad as I expected, in brief, and stopped down a bit it’s hard to see from my experience. It certainly doesn’t stop me using it for this. See a video I will do soon on a 18mm lens for more samples.

[@eagleeyephoto8715]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I had issues with wide angles (eg Zeiss 25/2.8) on anything then on Leica and probably CL. For some 35 is this sometimes the case,but 40mm and up worked pretty much OK.Think that the 50mm and further down is no issue due to lens focus is shifted more towards to the front of the lens.Asking this because of usage of M glass on FF and thickness of the optical glass stack in front of the sensor,where mostly leica cameras and lenses are optimized for the thin cover glass.

[@tonyr100]

Hey Matt. Great video (all of them really). Thing is, what about Sigma FP-l + EVF? size and weight better vs S5 + nice carry-around kit similar to CL. Plus option to use without EVF-11 and keep weight/size down. Doesn’t match the S5 price/promo, but still way cheaper than SL range. Sensor gets good reviews pic quality wise … just curious cause you didn’t mention it.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Hi Tony thanks! I’m not too up to speed on the FP cameras so great suggestion thanks. Yes sorry I often forget they are L mount. Apologies!

[@tonyr100]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom no worries. you might find this helpful - someone with both the fpL and S5...www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/320090-sigma-fpl-or-leica-sl2-s-as-accompanying-camera-to-the-cl/?do=findComment&comment=4209137

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@tonyr100 thanks!

[@MB-or8js]

Very nice S5 review and how it can be applied with third party lenses. Any reason why you are using Leica R lenses on the S5 instead of Leica/Voigtlander/Zeiss M-mount lenses you already have? This said, I think it makes sense for someone who just gets into MLC with the S5 to vest into R lenses since their quality is excellent and prices are still moderate. But if you already have M lenses, I don't see my reason to go into the R-system with exemption of a longer R lens which you showed or if some wider M lenses suffer from thicker sensor glass of the S5. Biggest debit of the VF-2 EVF on the M 240 is that the focus magnification can't be moved from the center. So yes, every other MLC EVF zoom is better (already the one in my Sony A7R is miles better here). Have the same issue with my A7R that the functions are too hidden in badly structured Sony menus (on the other hand some functions are cumbersome to select on the M 240, too). What I would love to see is a 1:1 comparison between the Panasonic S5 and Leica SL using the same M lenses.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you! I’m not sure if you lasted to the end of the video but I used with M glass too. Yes R glass for longer, or an excuse to try a particular lens then M glass for compact / everything else. Yes I will try to do a test vs an SL.

[@jessekoskinen]

Panasonic G9 + Leica M3 user here. I like both. Panasonic menus just click with me. Thinking Leica SL-2S as my next digital camera, when my current kit comes to the end of its lifecycle. Not anytime soon.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Nice combination Jesse, yes that makes sense re. the SL2-S :)

[@baxtermarrison5361]

As a former Leica shooter back in the film days, I totally get the benefits of the brand. Nowadays, however, outside of the M everything is produced in collaboration with either Panasonic or Sigma, just with a Leica badge. Fo that reason I fail to see the benefits in this day and age. Hasselblad did something similar, the X-Pan and the H system are just re-badged Fujifilm cameras, as well as the full frame digital re-branding of the A-mount Alpha and the re-branded NEX cameras. I understand why small producers go down this path, but ultimately it devalues the brand. Whilst I use a number of different systems, ultimately those viewing the finished product have no idea what it was shot with, nor do the care.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Baxter! Great points. I guess I worry about the1% that might care bring a gear nut myself :)

[@baxtermarrison5361]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I think all us photographers care about gear, I have cameras that have been with me for years. The M6 and Leica glass is a true joy. I just don't get the same sense of pride in a product that just sports the brand but produced by others. Possibly the most important thing about gear is not the technology, not the specification, but how it makes you feel as a user. It is that feeling that translates to the finished work. A Leica M6 excites me, a Lumix with a Leica badge, not so much.

[@iello911]

If you use great glass on that sensor, you will indeed get same quality level. I was quite pleased with my SL, and I think your Panasonic shares much with it. I am 100% with you when it comes to (excessive) buttons and ridiculously convoluted menus. Our DSLR friends do not mind, they deal with them daily, but for us minimalists it is tough. Even in the digital realm Leica managed to design a product focused on the photographer first, and leaving much of the high tech behind the scenes. They should be an example to all other brands, when it comes to menu simplicity and essential controls. Sony are indeed bad, Fujis are ok, Nikons not too bad on menus, not too great with buttons. That is probably the main reason (other than bulk) that I do not love DSLR options, I do find buttons/menus so distracting that they make my photography far less enjoyable (in spite of often great end results and sometimes superior technological level). P.S.: i would try manual focus for your video, the auto was going bonkers this time :-)

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks for your input. Yes sorry about the video focus. I might try MF in the next one.

[@kevinarmstrong3415]

Hi Matt, I enjoy your content but suggest you stand further back from the camera or use a longer lens as my main focus is on your nose which always seems to be coming through the screen. My family dislike me using a 35mm lens for their portraits as it makes their noses look huge!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks, each video is slightly different. See the "Best Voigtlander" recent video, that's probably the style i'll use next if my face is in it. (I am guilty of liking 35mm portraits though haha!) :)

[@iamhassan9943]

Matt the Sigma 65mm F2 is a great pair with the S5.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks good to know! I’ve never used Sigma glass.

[@fellowcitizen]

I desperately want that lens! Also as a 99mm FOV portrait lens on the TL2

[@Gynra]

I use that Panasonic "kit" lens on my Leica SL2-S. It's a great walkaround lens, and pretty sharp, too.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Brian, good to hear you think it is worthy of the SL2. I like the FL range but would prefer a fixed f2.8

[@Gynra]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Yes, an f2.8 with that focal range would be great, but it would of course be heavier and more expensive. You younger, fitter chaps might not balk at a bigger lens, but I have the Vario Elmarit-SL 24-90 f2.8-4 but it's so big and heavy I have yet to take it out of the studio.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@Gynra thanks Brian, ha yes the 24-90 is big! If I got a zoom it would be mainly for video and some events and will use M glass for out and about.

[@fellowcitizen]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I've possibly mentioned this before: Sigma just released a compact 28-70mmF2.8 to go with their fp, and it's only 470g compared with the 20-60mmF3.5-5.6 being 330g, I think. They don't directly compete so you could have both if you like light zooms, but the 28-70 gives you the f/2.8 which also makes it more versatile for APS-C as well.

[@maheshg212]

I read that it is also the design of specific M lenses that can cause an issue on other cameras, e.g. 28 cron causes more issue than 28 Lux. - So I heard...

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks, possibly. I've not found any really bad performing lenses yet but I've not that many lenses yet, especially wides.

[@quentinnewark2745]

Matt the autofocus keeps losing you and locking onto the back cloth... can you change the setting or lock it onto your face?

[@iamhassan9943]

Yes, you must “lock” on the auto focus. Press the joy stick. Once you do you will see a box with four “ticks”intersecting each side of the box. There you know it is confirmed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6Hccq2HZdxqg6s

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@iamhassan9943 thanks I will try it 🙏🏻

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Quentin, yes sorry I’m just used to it working so didn’t know til after. I’ll try to get it sorted out.

[@iamhassan9943]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom You are welcome. Unfortunately a lot of people are not aware of this. I was not either. Hope it helps.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@iamhassan9943 thanks. Hopefully it works with all lenses as I hope to get a f2.8 zoom with a more useful aperture.

[@webersteve1547]

I use Panasonic S1 and S1r since one year and I can 100% subscribe to your thoughts!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you Steve! I'm glad i'm not talking complete * on this. I appreciate your feedback, thanks!

[@robertstacy8438]

Speaking as an ex Nikon/Fuji/Sony/Ricoh user, now /Leica owner of M10's and Q2, Fuji by far and away has the best menu system of any camera on the market. It's clean, not overly complicated, but more importantly, at any point in the line, either from entry level to the GFX the UI is the same and the muscle memory you have on one camera is transferrable to any other. Leica is probably 2nd and they have been unifying their menus over time. But in all fairness, I think this is an area where Fuji wins hands down, besting all of the Japanese competition and Leica.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Robert! I appreciate you input and experience. Noted :)

[@rumporridge1]

Beg to differ. Leica user interface is way better than Fuji. And I’ve been shooting Fuji for years. No comparison actually. SL2 and QP are straight forward. Very very intuitive to use. XH1 XT3 and Xpro1 I must menu dive for full functionality.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@rumporridge1 thanks for confirming. Yes I like Leica menus too 👍🏻

[@Bollywoodhollywood2023]

Okay Matt , I am sending you the invoice for my LUMIX S5 purchase 😂. I love your energy and passion you have for everything. Panasonic is highly underrated in FF world and often gets a bad mouth because of immature photographers and KZbin noobs . I had SL2 and I sold it and bought S5 and I am very happy . It’s just brilliant. I have never ever bought any presets but would love to buy yours . Leica SL3 doesn’t inspire me TBH.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Haha at least the Lumix invoice is less than the SL3 invoice. I must admit I sometimes bad mouth my S5 as I just prefer the feel and VF of my SL but as you'll see in my S5 vs SL video, both can take similar photos. (If you use AF lenses too then the S5 is fine but I like MF).

[@jonhermannsson9231]

Nice video as always Im a Sony shooter as such awesome auto focus and great lens selection But have many Fuji’s like the xpro 2 I got on eBay red stickers. And sticker says Fuji. But font has Leica like look So most people automatically think it says Leica and think it is Leica :) So a poor mans leica cl Have been thinking of getting a Leica CL but for that I can add another A7r3 Sony which blows the Leica CL out of the park in so many ways As my eyes don’t allow manual focus the few Sigma apsc lenses are the only option

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks, yes luckily they keep making new L mount lenses and the CL gets cheaper with time. But yes non-Leica offer better value :)

[@steinglendrange5607]

Thanks Matt, I’m wondering, does the S5 read the 6bit coding from the m lenses with the Leica adapter?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Stein, yes if you use Leica R or M to L adapters with coded lenses it works. I saw it testing R ROM lenses with a branded adapter.

[@fellowcitizen]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I had no idea - please show us in your S5/M (S&M...?...!) video :)

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@fellowcitizen you see the EXIF in LR

[@webersteve1547]

It only reads focal length (I think) of M lenses but you get full exifs and focal length on R ROM lenses (of course only with the genuine Leica adapters). What is embarrassing is that you cannot use AF with Leica S Glas, what you can do with the SL

[@fellowcitizen]

@@webersteve1547 Perhaps Leica will update the firmware on the S-L adaptor so that it is compatible with non-Leica L mount cameras if there is enough demand...

[@luxseven1]

Good enough for photos? Well? ;-) Curious to see the "R"-lenses tested, since they are quite affordable for now. Of course, they will rise after your review :-)

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Jos! Yes I bought it partly for video but it takes great images too. I don’t think enough people will watch this video to effect the R lens prices :) Videos to come on those 👍🏻

[@ZippyDChimp-mr1tf]

R lenses have been rising for a while now because they are sought after by videographers.

[@michaelc4917]

Is the Panny S5 or S1 files almost the same as the Leica Sl1 or SL2 ?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

I need to make the video for this, I did some tests but didn’t have time to check the images. To me they are close enough at a glance yes

[@michaelc4917]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom actually you did say it in the video. You said the Panny files are almost the same as Leica files, sorry I didn't watch the whole way through. Lol

[@michaelc4917]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom But can you get your hand on a Fuji GFX and test it? I need to know if Gfx files best Leica. I have the gfx 50s, really like it. Very life like and with true colors, similar to the Pentax 645D. However, the Leica sirens song is really strong. Just tell me there are no better files out there. This photo hobby is not good for my wallet!

[@Idigitalone]

thank you

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks for watching!

[@j-s-m-photographymc5317]

Fair play Mat , another great review

[@j-s-m-photographymc5317]

I got a Leica 7 comming in 2 weeks my first ever Leica since 2006 I desired a Leica finally I have one The thing about collecting cameras I think that’s it then another pops up I’m like i want that ! I own Fuji X Pro 3 and I love it Fuji do some like copy’s of the Leica lenses in there cheaper range , being able to flick from OVF to EVF is well thought out I love it ...........But it ain’t a Leica ! I don’t want a digital Leica just the film , there is something magical about cranking the the film advance lever to cock the shutter . There is a place for all of it there delivery systems just different ways to get to the same end result . You got me on a tangent now 😂

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thank you!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@j-s-m-photographymc5317 haha thanks!

[@ronaldsand3000]

I’m surprised You have shown numerous other camera brands in the past like Bessa, Nikon and Hasselblad etc without concern for the Leica logo Perhaps you see the Lumix as a consumer level camera that a professional like you would normally not use The results look great anyway

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Ronald, yes for film I happily use any brand but for digital I tend to prefer Leica (as they are the closest to film cameras I guess)(simple to operate and M's are of course very similar). Digital images tend to be for clients and when not testing I shoot film for myself. Yes I don't dislike the S5 results and thanks. (I guess it proves you can probably use any digital camera to take a nice photo..unless you want a proper RF camera then you need Leica).

[@ronaldsand3000]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I very much appreciate your comprehensive reply Wishing you well and kindest regards

[@al404]

I was curios to see comparison of how Leica M lens perform on S5 vs a Leica M / SL body

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Alain, it will come 👍🏻

[@danweiss6580]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Would still like to see this if you have the chance...

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@danweiss6580 yes sorry I did some test photos I just still need to put a video together.

[@ductritran8637]

Don’t know much about Lumix S5 but Lumix S1R is really good camera better than my Leica SL .

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks, yes the S1R is like the SL2. The S1 like the SL, the S5 like the SL with a crap finder. SL are better built/ menus etc if compare like for like.

[@marlonb.8243]

I've used rangefinder lenses (Leica, mainly) on non-Leica cameras like the Sony a7II. The look is not there. A rangefinder lens must be used on a rangefinder camera.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks MDB, I've been using mostly Leica R lenses on my Lumix S5 but I was equally happy with the 90mm and 50mm RF lenses.

[@EakanGopalakrishnan]

i thought Leica cameras use electronics produced by panasonic anyway, don't they?

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Eakan, it’s a grey area! :)

[@derJackistweg]

holymoly... this is tight!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Haha yes!

[@ryanbeer5262]

Almost fainted when I saw the 80-200. Welcome to the other side of optics!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Ha thanks Ryan! Loving the other side! :) More R stuff to come:)

[@noseycomic499]

Welcome to the dark side! I have 6 Leicas and 3 LUMIX cameras. Part of decision was because of the L alliance. I think there is a good amount of cross pollination between the 2 companies. Shoot what makes you happy and gets the job done!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Henry! Well said! :)

[@der.kommentierende.komment5275]

How do Leica lenses do on Panasonic?

[@Sanjmaghera]

Mr Lumix :)

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Haha yes. I bought the Leica SL soon after making this video to avoid that problem!

[@torakun3573]

Great video, thanks! Picking your brain a bit if I can.. If you had to choose, A. Leica sl2-S + Lumix 50mm f1.8 + kit lens Or B. Lumix s1 + 50mm sl summicron/summilux Which and why? Thank you and I'll sub if you reply, Cheers!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

I’d go SL + Leica 50mm but if you want IBIS/AF you need newer SL2-S vs SL I refer to. Of the 2 options you list, B so you get a decent lens. My S5 tales great photos using Leica glass.

[@torakun3573]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thank you for the reply! I think i might go with s5/s1r with 35/50/90 summicron. Or do you think i should pony up little bit more and get Leica SL mark 1 with the summicron? I'm not sure how good it is still today compared to the s1r/s5. And whether combining leica sl body+lens will have noticeable impact..? Subbed as promised!

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@torakun3573 if you do any video Lumix is better. For pure photos Leica is better. I’d pay extra few hundred for used SL vs new S5. I have both and use SL 95% so there’s your answer.

[@torakun3573]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thank you! It's settled then

[@arthurmermelshtein1767]

The pictures are really nice and your explanations are positive but seeing this video with all the focusing issues (you were more times out of focus than in focus) while you and the camera are stationary , man that shows more about the camera video capability then 100 positive , sticky reviews. Why would a Leica shooter who has more then 1 type of Leica even consider a Panasonic or Fuji is beyond me (yea I get the price issue).

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Arthur, yes I later got the Leica SL to replace it for my photography (see that video) Loving it! :) It was an experiment to get Panasonic to try to reach a wider audience but yes it was a bit silly when I call myself Mr Leica. I live and learn!

[@SergeGolikov]

Your head shot is too close and looks confronting, back off a bit 👍

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Sergei! Yes some of my older videos are really bad for this, I apologise. If you see last nights video it should be more watchable.

[@SergeGolikov]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Taken well in the spirit in which it was intended Peace out 🍷

[@morganmiller7777]

There’s no way the Lumix has the same sensor output as the SL..no way. Not about looking true to life, there’s a difference in the output and character. Sorry man, don’t think you have this one right m.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

Thanks Morgan, yes I think un-edited SOOC the Leica files should look better (as the RAW files have the Leica sauce added to the DNGs. But with heavy preset added to me they look similar.

[@morganmiller7777]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Ah yeah, I hear ya. I am sure that with m lenses or Voigtlander and Zeiss M lenses, there is much less of a difference. But yeah, that special Leica sauce-it’s something I’m sensitive to HahahhaHa..I see the the difference and see it when working the raw files. Thanks for responding man. Love your reviews.

[@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom]

@@morganmiller7777 cheers Morgan!

[@morganmiller7777]

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 💪🏼