Smart water shutoff (Really SMART)! Uponor Intl Builders Show 2019

[@BenjiBenning1]

Been looking at the Phyn for a while, but really interested to see a comparison between Phyn and Flo (Moen) as the Flo is quite a bit cheaper but seems to have the same functionality.

[@JimfromIndy]

Flo seems to sell for $760 plus installation. Not sure that's a substantial difference....

[@BenjiBenning1]

Jim Shaffer website says $499, and I’ve seen it with promos for $399.

[@maxoct97]

Downside to Moen is the monthly fee, whereas you get everything for the cost of the Phyn.

[@TheSwampDaddy]

maxoct97 I’ve heard that about the Flo fees but what else sets these products apart? I’m sure if I used both I’d have a definite opinion.

[@lordgarth1]

What about if you also want to install a water pressure based sump backup? Will it know that if you are away? I suppose you could tape the sump pump before the phin but that system could leak.

[@doubledarefan]

1:00 What causes the pressure to jump around, instead of simply being inverse-proportional to the flow rate❓

[@melanholly]

I guess that is because the pressure in the valve is moving. The valve has a lot of moving parts this generates the moving pressure diagram.

[@interludeii]

Are other people having access problems with Phyn support? I sent them a $250 deposit for a replacement device 6 weeks ago (warranty). Called today and was told I was in line behind another customer who's waiting for his replacement. Makes me wonder if I'm going to get his refurbished device....

[@Furiends]

To be clear ultrasonic flow sensors (I got one for my custom built reverse osmosis system.) aren't necessarily more accurate but they are more durable and require no maintenance. I do like well thought out tech like this but I also like to tone down the "smart" This isn't that much "smarter" than an Arduino it just has access to good sensors.

[@HarryLovesRuth]

As a homeowner, I would love to have some of these smart home devices without connecting them to the internet. I saw Battlestar Galactica. Nothing good comes from being fully networked.

[@Furiends]

@@HarryLovesRuth I am actually pretty familiar with networked systems as its my background. I totally understand the anxiety that comes with simply network connecting everything. But I think the overriding issue is that for as much as security is talked about its absolutely the last thought that goes into these commodity devices. Its in fact a definitive case against proprietary products or any products designed to collect data on you. In my view a wifi enabled smart devices even if they aren't supposed to be Internet accessible or talk to a server are just about equivalently susceptible to being hacked into if the home owners routing or modem hardware is itself insecure. Many cheap IP cams are compromised this way. It's a bit into the technical weeds but the solution here is ISPs that do security monitoring on ALL connections not just data centers, modern well supported modems and networking hardware and tested open network level authentication that can be used for VPNs or Internet facing services. However none of these items are hard from a technology point of view. We trust our bank account information and very personal information online but there are at least some little regulation on that. On home networks people are basically relying on a combination of IPs are hard to guess and security through obscurity. And as someone who does this for a living and does some at home hosting it takes diligence and broad know how to keep everything configured securely. It just shouldn't be like that. I don't wanna get to technical but the point I wanna hit home is that security is not a technology problem. Data breaches for example are primarily because companies got sloppy. It's a policy and business problem.

[@danheidel]

It's interesting to see this commercialized. I attended a lecture from a University of Washington researcher back in the late '90s where they were talking about the early stages of developing this tech. I always wondered if it had gone anywhere.

[@jedknutson8373]

only good for an all pex house or can we have a mix? ie; cooper/pex

[@tanktexas]

Do you personally use this product matt?

[@cheesetomatoes]

I like the idea, but what happens if this isn't successful in the market and the servers are shut down? I suspect it turns into a water valve with a light show. That's what's holding back my purchase.

[@emilthomas]

Well, my device bricked in 3 months (wifi connectivity issues) and customer support turned a blind eye. Working with credit card company now.

[@anrivera1975]

It would recognized irrigation water?

[@ScottAcy]

Yes

[@breezyresortsiaton4401]

simply put I have had to many small pin hole leaks over the years that did damage that I had to pay and repair. If this can alert me to something before it gets farther then I am all in.

[@moroteseoinage]

Any plans for a version for hydronic systems?

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

I’d love to have one of those! I’ve got a 1” copper main coming into my house at the regulator.

[@papr4upapr4u68]

Are they going to make this Wi-Fi six compatible

[@GriffinKeller]

Are "build" hats available for purchase anywhere!? Thanks!

[@alagrad0308]

Love This

[@MandoFettOG]

This reminds me of that device you attach to your power panel that monitors your devices plugged in and can predict when appliances are going bad

[@TheSwampDaddy]

How does this compare to Flo by Moen? I know that Flo charges a fee for more detailed services but what else sets these two competing systems apart? I bet if I were to use each one for a while I’d have a definite opinion. Reliability, software integration, ease of use, longevity of installation, the option to manage multiple homes per account, there is a lot to consider here. Also, there is a disturbingly low view count on most of these videos and very few comments which gives me the idea that this is not very popular. If this is not in demand, these two products may not be on the market in 5 years. Personally, I’ve been looking for something just like this-let’s discuss the possibilities. Oh, one more point, can a homeowner install their own unit without issues and without voiding a warranty? Can an an entrepreneurial person like me join the Uponor program without being a licensed plumber first?

[@alagrad0308]

Building a New house this summer, would love to have this. Does this have to be installed by a certified Uponor plumber?

[@abenzuoo]

Proffesional water installer needed.

[@alagrad0308]

abenzuoo can you explain why? Can I not purchase it unless I am part of UPONOR PRO ?

[@abenzuoo]

@@alagrad0308 hello, i just read it in the magazine. I didnt said uponor plummer, i just wrote professional plummer..

[@keithcooper2012]

Weird question but were you skiing in Colorado this last Wednesday? If no definitely saw your doppelganger

[@Clark-Mills]

Not actually the doppler effect rather a phase shift in the signal from the transmitter/receiver dependant on the flow rate/direction... but super-cool tech none the less.

[@abenzuoo]

I was thinking same..

[@danheidel]

That's still the Doppler effect, you're just measuring it with phase shift rather than frequency shift.

[@Clark-Mills]

@@danheidel Ah, nope, a phase shift is exactly the same frequency but slightly advanced or delayed wave (hence phase). The Doppler effect is a change in frequency/wavelength.

[@Dhleeiv]

Pretty sure this guy almost ran into my cart at Lowe’s yesterday

[@chrisswoboda6732]

What is the cost?

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

Chris Swoboda just turn off your main when you go on vacation

[@abenzuoo]

799€

[@127001er]

The manufacturers website states US$850 and then whatever the professional plumber charges to install it. No DIY installation is permitted. I can speculate that a plumber will charge US$400-500, so this water monitoring system is approaching US$1500 after taxes.

[@doublebulbing]

@@MaMa-qh4dy yep now that we have a tank-less hot-water heater that is what we do pull the power and shut off the water

[@augustreil]

COOL !!

[@loktom4068]

What's the track record of proven real consumer world performance of this smart shutoff valve? Is it idiot & nuisance prove that doesn't gives the home owners a ify, random false shutoff and sometimes complete shutoff all water in a no burst or leaky pipe event?

[@bradmesserle999]

They need to make a version for an RV.. :) Just think about all the leaky RV's that waste water and get ruined.

[@Rudizel]

That thing is pricy but so is water damage.

[@InsatiableMonkey]

Part of me thinks "cool" and part of me thinks "More tech, more stuff to break. Give me a full port ball valve and I'm good."

[@ColeSpolaric]

I can see it now. Change a faucet or a toilet and it shuts your water off lol

[@rhd244]

Wow

[@Bhodpa-Phosar]

Warning people- auto shutoff valve will stop working after the warranty. Phyn recommended that I buy another one for 20% discount. Fool me 2nd time, It's my fault.

[@joshd79]

0.1 gal/min threshold... hmmm

[@curtcmiller]

Josh D a faucet can flow less than that and a leak would not be detected.

[@loktom4068]

A pipe joint or pin hole leak can also have a slow leak it may not be detected.

[@kevinmcnamara2082]

Hey I’m in Delaware county outside of Philadelphia. I do these. They’re great. Hit me up if interested

[@colstace2560]

Technology is all good u stuff but if you use quality plumbing components when you build your house it should be good for 15? Years without a leak? I'm for do it right and I don't need gizmos, where do you stop with this stuff ?

[@loktom4068]

Until the owner decided for that lovely warm southern vacation from an extremely cold winter home region with the heating system failure. My neighbor got a pipe burst with an expensive complete reno after that warm cosy vacation. It happens.

[@colstace2560]

@@loktom4068 should have shut the water off while on vacation, and insurance covered the damage ?

[@abenzuoo]

TORILLE

[@JimfromIndy]

$850 plus installation. Wow. Hard to justify.

[@sparksmcgee6641]

Your insurance company may give you a discount with one and on 1million up houses its gotten required.

[@TananBaboo]

Jim Shaffer I don’t know. One flooding event would probably change your mind.