MAVIC are making an ebike motor! | First ride: Mavic X-Tend

[@roadcc]

What do you think of the new Mavic X-Tend motor?

[@XPCTECH]

paper release.... where can you buy it? no where.

[@arfarzam]

I’ll buy one when they come with erg mode.

[@neilbarford2456]

Looks very interesting , I like the normal q-factor as the spesh turbo creo ruined my knees , but its 2 years away and probably be £10k !

[@Robert-ns2pd]

It's very similar to the TQ - HPR50 released last Summer but has a narrower Q factor and apparently a more precise way to manage torque sensing. Pinarello now uses the TQ system but I'm sure they'd like the narrower Q factor and light weight of this one. Launching with a Shimano compatible system is smart but to increase their Total Addressable Market they will need to make other motor to crank interface arms available that will fit other cranks, like for those OEM's who want to use belts. Developing a more powerful unit for cargo bike applications would also make this proposition more appealing to a future financier. Here's to them finding the right finance partner!

[@IronHorsey3]

Great development and hopefully a benchmark available in the near future.

[@hugov392]

This looks great, exactly the ebike I've been waiting for, and I would probably buy one, but Mavic: please don't make it dependent on stupid cloud features. I just want a bike that works, not one I have to do IT admin for and becomes unsupported after 5 (or whatever) years.

[@goku445]

Completely agree with all your points and would simply add I hope the pricing won't be excessive. Also #fvckthecloud

[@glenswada]

Yes he turned me off as well when he mentioned cloud. Most smart watches can update mobile app via bluetooth. Cloud should only be an option for people that want compare times over specific runs with others.

[@rossr6616]

"I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you ride today" no connection...

[@pierrex3226]

Mavic doesn't have a history of such behaviour, and they're french from Annecy. I'm probably second degree friends with several of them. It means they are wary of privacy and resilience. So I wouldn't worry, they're not Amazon or Apple. You can expect to own what you buy from them, outright.

[@hugov392]

@@pierrex3226 even if their hearts are in the right place (and I have no reason to doubt your assessment), long term support on cloud features is both technologically challenging over long time periods (look at the tech stack used in most cloud apps today compared to a decade or two ago) and incurs ongoing fees to run the service. If you combine that with a one-time purchased product (rather than a subscription/etc), you end up in a place where no matter how good the intentions, the service realistically won't be supported after 5-10 years at the most.

[@a1white]

That’s a proper stealth E-bike. Good range and a powerful motor for under 10kg. Really clever tech.

[@kevinburke6743]

So the whole bike including motor, battery and everything you need weighs less than 10 Kg. so how long can you travel on a single full charge with no or minimal input? Thinking 3-4 hours fast food delivery service!

[@a1white]

@@kevinburke6743 I’d need to watch the whole video back again, but I think they said about 50 miles. Yes. That weight included battery. Less than my non e-bike!

[@Orbiter144]

props to the mavic guy explaining the product while outputting steady 400 watts :D

[@frankfuchs6330]

My thoughts exactly

[@vincekerrigan8300]

What puzzles me with many of the e-road bike videos that I see, is that the presenters/demonstrators frequently seem to be very fit, relatively young riders, which is the demographic I would expect to be the least interested in riding e-bikes, and at which the market is not really directed. Obviously anyone can ride an e-bike if they want to, but I have always assumed that those who, maybe through age or injury/disability, were having difficulty continuing riding, would generally be the ones looking for these machines, not those who still ride hard. I myself, having luckily stayed relatively injury free, finally switched to e-assist in my late eighties, and I am sure you will find many others who will say the same. So, am I the only one to find this odd?

[@johnnunn8688]

Yep, agreed. I rode unassisted until 3 years ago and as I live in a hilly area and have a condition causing muscle weakness, I’m glad I can still get out and exercise with some uphill/into wind assistance.

[@johnnunn8688]

@Danny Jeff Bingham, exactly, I get accused of being lazy because people don’t understand how they work. BTW, the accusers sit on their arse and watch telly and don’t even go for a walk.

[@NightRiderFPV]

Same reason people buy light weight bikes. They are faster. And faster is more fun.

[@slowcyclist4324]

No matter your fitness, life is all about finding shortcuts to achieve more for less.

[@johnnunn8688]

@@Another-Address indeed…..🤔…..what?

[@1pasota]

living in Florida I never had a need for an e-bike, but at 64 going into retirement soon, and moving probably to Spain, I would definitely will be looking to have an assist to help me go up the hills

[@renobodyrenobody]

Ho man, I use (and I have build) electric bikes for more than 10 years (when I stopped to use cars). I really enjoy all these innovations everywhere and the one you present in this video. MAVIC has already achieved something BIG, and if I can tell them "please, don't mess up with the cloud and please do not transform the bikes into something like John Deere tractors plenty of unacceptable software restrictions". We do not want any spy in the bicycle, we want to buy bicycle and do what we want with it, we do not want to buy just a licence allowing the right to use the bicycle.

[@c1m1w]

Wait, the mavic rep is doing this interview whilst putting down 400w acoustic? Well done to him!

[@dominicbritt]

It looks a far better solution than most that are out there now. If your battery does die, you can still ride it without busting a lung, and it uses standard groups components instead of needing a specific E-Bike groups.

[@james45478]

The design is beautifully elegant. With such a small package and being encased in the BB, I wonder how well the motor heat cooling works.

[@duroxkilo]

..because nothing beats hard breathing thru an interview :) impressive size and characteristics for the x-tend motor

[@Peakwanderer]

I like that a lot, it looks very promising to have a nice light bike with no drag but help on the hills. My current bike is a Niner RLT with a Bosch CX which has more than enough power in Eco for me and a considerable step up in terms of having no drag compared to my 10-year-old Bosch classic running a Nexus 8.

[@FabriSlv]

It's nice to see lightweight hub motors like these, they really do open up new possibilities for ebikes that feel almost exactly like acoustic bikes whenever you want them too. And since we're talking high-end, we might see this paired with the new gen battery tech for sub-2kg full systems with no drag. Really impressive.

[@dennisyoung4631]

Actually, this is a mid-drive. Most hub motors are mounted in the wheel. I’ve run both, and need a lot of pulling power (bad hills, trailer towing.)

[@goku445]

Finally an ebike system that makes sense.

[@mykolapetrivskyi6977]

I am waiting for a middrive+gearbox combo. So that it will be possible to make full suspension bike with really light rear wheel. And maybe even with belt drive, that would be really cool 😎

[@FabriSlv]

That's the other end of the spectrum, though, that would be a much heavier transmission which makes sense for heavier full power eMTBs, as the gearbox alone adds a few kilos. It's cool and I really would like to see that on the market, but it might be more for comfort-oriented eMTBs (due to the lower maintenance) than performance Enduro bikes.

[@semidemiurge]

the cyclodial gear is the main innovation. I always wondered why it has not been used before.

[@ianstewart2643]

This seems the perfect solution to the one issue I have with lightweight mid mounted drive units such as the Fazua Ride 50 and 60, in that those don’t allow the use of Q Rings, whereas Mavic offer will by virtue of the use of a standard crankset. Only question is how Mavic achieve this. Other systems like Fazua isolate back pedalling from the motor. So how does Mavic solve that issue?

[@simonlinser8286]

Even if you barely pedal it's still better exercise than driving a car and way less resources than every person having their own car

[@radmckenzie4910]

I am really liking the look of this. I started with a Vanmoof hub drive but quickly got won over by a Bosch mid - drive system. I'll definitely be watching out for this.

[@n22pdf]

Wow great innovation from Mavic bravo👍🤩🚴🏼‍♂️🏅

[@knowledgebyte]

I have a Ribble endurance SL e. Once I had gotten used to the digital 105 mech, I have found that it rides nicely. You’re bound to get more noise out of a crank-based motor, as there is no noise insulation. In four years time, the motor will likely be half the size with equal power and the battery, two thirds less the weight, with two to three times more power. Which means the frame size can pretty much stay the same as a regular bike. The software will likely let you race against a competitor or childhood hero and go out on demanding mountain routes and will bring in the cycling 60’s and possibly octogenarians with good legs. As for the existing e-bike market, I’d say that is already fairly well understood, but a better power-to-weight ratio, will make for more innovative designs, because by that time, they’ll be printing out bikes, including the mechs. In fact, once they have reduced the motor size and increased the power, they can shake the derailleur and build a small gearbox into the motor housing and move to a belt-drive.

[@edsinofsky]

sounds revolutionary to me. Will look for it in the future.

[@NickRearden]

Looks amazing! Enjoyed watching you half-wheeling that poor guy uphill while he described the action of the motor Dave #evil

[@roadcc]

yeah it did feel a bit mean. he must have been doing about 300W up most of it 😆

[@bobsnabby2298]

You couldn't even go uphill without assistance LOL poor guy.

[@Gyfrctgtdbhf]

The tiny motors in my little Mavic drone are still going strong after well over 1k flight hours with bearings and such still in good shape.

[@JohnBaxendale]

That's made by DJI, this is Mavic the manufacturer - different company!

[@Gyfrctgtdbhf]

@@JohnBaxendaleAnd totally different hobbies. My particular Mavic does zip for cardio workouts except when birds attack or signal loss…

[@JohnBaxendale]

@@Gyfrctgtdbhf haha, yeah, guess we’ve all experienced that moment! 😂

[@oscarmarfori613]

That motor is already very controversial it was noted that prototypes of these were used in the Tour de France

[@sphong0610]

I got a Mahle x35 rear hub motored gravel bike from Merrida that is winning out on my Tarmac because it's just so much fun/easy to ride. It has a 40Nm motor with 250Wh battery. I would really enjoy this Mavic center BB motor with similar specs.

[@ianmangham4570]

Acoustic bike! 😮

[@Rockinbiker1946]

I like the fact that it's a mid motor. My LOOK E765 with the Fazua motor is very similar and I've been very happy with it.

[@b-bikesinger]

con:much noisier than the tq hpr50, due to the higher reduction ratio... pro: less weight and standard hollow tech crancks

[@TeamCykelhold]

Pretty nice. It's like a smaller/lighter version of TQ HPR50. Looks like the engines functions pretty much the exactly same way. TQ seems ot just be a few years ahead of Mavic I guess, if Mavic expects this to have to wait years before launch.

[@goku445]

The Mavic motor is friction-less and much lighter.

[@TeamCykelhold]

@@goku445 every motor made is claimed to be "frictionless" by their manufacturer. It is lighter though. But since it's not out yet, it could be as light as air and TQ is still a lot more useful because it is actually out, and when this one is out, TQ could be out with their next gen. We will see. I hope this one succeeds, the more competition the better.

[@goku445]

@@TeamCykelhold The price on bikes and parts is still outrageous so I can't agree more.

[@SunsPSD1]

Very promising. Need this in my next Enduro bike!

[@velosapien]

I was under the impression that Mavic went under This is a good interesting turn around for Mavic as I avoided them like a plague since using their wheels with the most useless freehubs ever.

[@ThomasGuyotSionnest]

Could the motor do regenerative braking? Move the ratchet to the pedals/axle then use either a fixed gear or internal geared hub modified for direct drive (no freewheel). The chain or belt always runs and the motor could measure backpedaling to adjust braking power (it would require the cycloidal gear to efficiently drive from the output shaft, and at first glance I can't find any information on that).

[@thewheelieguy]

You're throwing away lots of well developed cycle parts for minimal benefit. I want an ebike that will just coast when I come off the pedals, not decide I'm looking to slow down.

[@graemewoodward]

How does this compare to Trek's lightweight e-bike motor (TQ-HPR50 on the Fuel EXe?)

[@alexandergilmour8451]

Is it possible to charge the battery off the bike?

[@b-bikesinger]

how does it compare with the ( almost silent) TQ hpr50 motor ( also on bmc)

[@lucanegrello6561]

This Is the best motor for road bike in that moment

[@duanehundley]

Love the name. Reminds me of this stuff I use to take

[@pierrex3226]

I'm French. Yet another example of being great at engineering and sucking at business. Partnering with BMC and putting dura ace on the test units essentially makes this a high end dentist bike. Yet they talk of commuting bikes. Mavic also has a history of going bankrupt. I've been buying carbon wheels from Xiamen for almost ten years now, and I'd bet they're better than Mavic. They will probably fail at mass production, will retail for a ridiculous price, and virtually nobody will use these things. Which is a shame, because i absolutely love that motor. Regular cranksets+ no drag when off + mid drive + small form factor + non trivial range sound amazing.

[@yordankrushkov8488]

The number of times he got passed by non electric bikes :D Joke aside, It's really interesting motor type, shame it's oriented mostly for road use. Would be nice to finally have lightweight motor that can be put on normal MTB kinda like the bafangs but less clunky and without the chainring being so far out that you can't use your full cassette.

[@robertdove807]

keeps us old fellas in the game

[@larsthorwald3338]

I prefer a twin-piston engine: left and right thighs.

[@alancox7572]

Looks great, e bikes have a massive place in the market.

[@mariospenard5125]

Très intéressant ❤

[@slowcyclist4324]

200W assist is nothing short of amazing. I can really see this making all those audex rides so much more enjoyable. Why anyone would come out to suffer on their bikes outdoor baffles me. I’d much rather keep the suffering focused and short on a trainer, and then enjoy the long rides outdoor with nary a drop of sweat.

[@domestique3954]

It baffles you?! The bike was invented to use it outdoors,nothing is so boring than riding a bike without wind on a trainer.... But that’s only my 5 cent

[@howardridge1153]

where is the battery located!!!

[@mankihonda983]

I read Mavic and forgot they are the bicycle part maker and then just proceeded to think that this was a DJI product. Ah yes dementia!

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

So the rpm went down from 4.5k to 60?

[@ianlewis6717]

What is an acoustic bike...? Please.

[@vicentvanmole]

very nice & hope it's silence when underload

[@jtk4189]

I hate this “road test” format of the video. It adds nothing yet makes it hard to extract critical info.

[@emp-ty-g]

funny! isent it thinking inside the box?

[@Fenris1on1]

Would be a nice motor for us DIY, but will never happen sadly 🤐🤔☠️

[@Jack42Frost]

I would be happier if they could supply me with rims, they seem to be hard to find.

[@frenchyroastify]

Yeah, I bought some a year ago and just trying to find adapters for QR frame took forever on the internet with no instructions anywhere. Actually had to grind the disk side cap down to fit. Their support is non-existent. Wheels are decent.

[@b-bikesinger]

Can you give us a 1 year update ?

[@kevinburke6743]

Why not just show the bike static so we can see the salient features. What we get how it all hangs together. I guess it's not add speed like County Lines delivery bike needs. Nor to add Torque for unassisted hill climbs to his next delivery! OK I guess it's a range extender for Middle Aged Mamil's & a no extra effort required hill climber! Ditto!

[@T59-j7k]

Need a system where when you pedal you are charging the electric motor.

[@jeremymhill]

What is like to live in Annecy? We always thought it would be a great place to relocate from Canada.

[@MrTux0]

It’s great if you like outdoor activities (hiking, skiing, cycling). The lake is nice in summer too. Not too far from Geneva airport which is convenient. It’s quite a small place though, a bit remote and touristic. And not cheap.

[@MyKharli]

If it can beat the reliability of a 1kw Chinese hub motor at about 170..200 quid inc controllers throttle cables etc then maybe.

[@darrenhitchcox6345]

That looks really good. Does it work on 36V or 48V? I currently have Creo and can easy get 80 miles out of the battery in low mode, so looking to something similar but lighter. I did like the look of the TQ motor, but the range is not as good.

[@roadcc]

it's a 36V system

[@holgero.6666]

Sorry, cloud is a showstopper and no go. When I noticed saying "we will know everything" this is unacceptable.

[@Ryezn5057]

What helmet ?

[@sandydennylives1392]

Can't see it's use on a racing bike in non alpine areas, esp if your lugging a heavy clodhopper for heavy shopping and a brompton for non theft commuting in addition, which makes the racer all the sweeter on dry days off, so I'll pass for the mo. A once a year holiday to the 'tains doesn't justify it for me, but maybe for some.

[@nickpeach2043]

Quite frustrating to wait 2 years!

[@The2808erik]

Calling bicycles acoustic bikes is silly. Electric bike should be called Mopeds, because that's what they are. Motorized pedal bikes. That doesn't sound too good in marketing though.

[@darrenwalker9697]

It’s from Mavic, made in France - that will be durable then………….

[@bobsnabby2298]

Joking, look at their cars LOL shittiest cars ever.

[@MrSzwarz]

France is No one cycling friendly country, I see no problem with market in there, but unfotunately UK is far behind with cycling culture, safety and cycling routes...

[@nationsnumber1chump]

I don't know... its a very cool product with the way it integrates into the frame, but the older I get the more I find myself needing the exercise of a regular bike. Especially with the food shortages and less healthy restaurants here in America.

[@johnnunn8688]

No one is forcing you to ride an ebike 🤷‍♂️.

[@cestmoi6029]

As I’m approaching 50, riding 5 hours with about 2500 metres of climbing is becoming a chore, so this system will help in my case.

[@DingbatToast]

There's no such thing as an "acoustic" bike Maybe analogue? Maybe, it's just a bike!

[@yusnihermawan6946]

Do it for MTB pls

[@aljazz3346]

I like bikers.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

What ever happened to the hidden seatpost motor???? 🤔 And yet why do road bikers need a motor??! Is that not an oxymoron??! But I do think the power ebikes have been getting is absolutely absurd going up hill is one thing but going 80 km/h on throttle is going over the line....

[@emausderratsuchende5447]

Until now I was of the opinion that road riders rejected motorisation.... in the MTB sector there is a heated argument about the sense and nonsense of an electric motor.I wonder what that has to do with real sport to be driven by a motor....

[@georgekrpan3181]

Why is this better than a 1000 watt mid-drive? Weight? A more powerful mid drive has a better power to weight ratio. Stealth? Why is that important? Because you don't want people to know you're on an electric bike? If so, that's pathetic.

[@InfiltrateIndustries]

It’ll cost € 3 trillion

[@cantkeepitin]

Is it designed for 45km/h? Anything else makes little sense for a race bike.

[@Dominik3636]

No, after 25km/h the motor stops providing assistance. It's a useless joke.

[@mcneill64]

Marketing man! Everyone is looking for a shortcut. Coke, creatine, hormones, and low-profile battery boost. Don’t get me wrong. 2wheels are better than 4 wheels, but marketing the illusion of more-than-recreational rider is a dis-service to the riders that do the time and practice the discipline.

[@reinach77]

lol not easy doing your sells speech out of breath

[@udxpierre]

If its anything like their hubs then stay away bwa ha ha ha ha ha.

[@DimitrisConstantinou]

Shut up and take my money :)

[@CHMichael]

No more reaching deep down and finding the last energy to make it back home. E bikes are great for transportation - this is just lazy. Don't spend thousands on a light bike and then put a engine on it. Idiocracy

[@xtianeskay5166]

Considering the weight penalty is 3.2kg (as stated in the video), how can that test bike weigh 12kg? A 9kg dura ace road bike is not realistic...

[@NZLKevin88]

The test bike is 9.77kg

[@xtianeskay5166]

Ok... I was referring to the bike at 12:04

[@slowcyclist4324]

My bike comes in at 6.3kg full built. 50mm deep wheels with 28mm Corsa next, tubeless built to boot. 9kg is VERY doable. Anything can be done as long as you have the money to throw at the problem. All you need is a sub 5kg aethos and you can even get it to 8kg.

[@gerrysecure5874]

When you hide the motor riding with others you are just a foul cheater. Riding alone you just cheat yourself. The technology is great though. It helps older cyclists to ride with the younger friends. The young overweight ones are kindly asked to form their own group until they can keep up.

[@bobsnabby2298]

More these clown bikes please. Guys go for biking and don't even get sweaty, self cheating.

[@Garfie1d73]

I will guarantee that that this system will be a total failure - as everything Mavic did beside from wheels. You'll need a special frame. No one will build one except for one or two manufacturers. The middle motor concept won't work on a fast road bike. We already have Fazua if you want one - there is no need for that bulky solution Mavic offers. The battery cannot easily be removed from the frame. There are so many flaws in the concept that I wonder how on earth do they think that this will work? It is complete nonsense.

[@niel022]

weak

[@a1white]

Month

[@1afterthep]

nobody buys mavic wheels anymore, with their tubeless system they shot into both of their own feet, hardly any complete bikes come with Mavic wheels anymore. If they try to force customers for this e-bike system on mavic wheels they can stop right now

[@herculesrockefeller8969]

Oh boy, more moped tech!

[@Boopop1024]

Oh boy, more eBike snobbery! eBikes make cycling even more inclusive. Your ableism can get in the bin.

[@DaveAtkinson]

have you ever ridden a) a moped or b) a lightweight ebike? guessing not, eh

[@naisbest3020]

A 49cc moped makes nearly 10x the power of the average pedal assisted road bike. You are mentally slow if you think this is a moped.

[@alancox7572]

You love it really as you spent 16 mins watching it 😂

[@NickRearden]

Moped also smells & sounds terrible!!

[@grevinlew]

I'm not sure what to make of the woman effortlessly blowing by the two of them early in the video.

[@DerekGreen123]

Really interesting hearing about these developments. The size and weight seem very beneficial to E-Road bikes and lightweight commuters / MTB. I'm hopefully another decade or more away from wanting to get assistance on my rides. But I'm fully behind everyone that wants to use this tech to keep riding / ride with others who are quicker / access bigger, longer rides / etc 👍 Now Mavic just need to do the REALLY hard thing, turn a prototype into a production device, that works as advertised, is durable, is supported by the industry and isn't prohibitively expensive 🤪

[@roadcc]

Well said!

[@kwacker45]

Wish I was decades away but 68 and bad knees means ebike may be my future!

[@G4ngsta4l1f3]

I don’t need an e-bike. I just have one to shred even harder 🤭

[@JoeTaber]

Oh cool it uses a cycloidal reducer. Haven't seen many products with one of those yet.

[@stephencarr9342]

My knees tell me I need this ! It looks good, integrates with existing cranks and has good stats .. looking forward to seeing it in production and what bikes are fitted with it. 😊

[@knightwish1623]

The motor looks really good. The one problem I have with these light weight e-bikes is that nearly all of them have built in batteries. As I live in a fifth floor flat it's not really ideal when the battery is not detatchable for charging.

[@JeanAC]

This looks like it could fit really nice on a folding bike

[@trevekneebone369]

Does it work with 3rd party 24mm axle based cranks? e.g. Rotor Aldhu?

[@richerathernotsay427]

Hard to believe the 10kg total weight when the average road bike is 10kg. Subtracting the 3.2kg system weight gives a 6.8kg bike. That's a very light bike! But, any 15kg with 50km range would give a nice 2hr ride.

[@LILEE376]

In my country the e-bikes price is simply much much higher than 99% of the people can afford or accept and I dont know why. Same brand, same quality frame, same parts and accessories but price of the e-bike version is the triple of quadruple the original price which is insane.

[@cauldron101]

Impressive! I think one could call it the best innovation for bicycles for the last two years.

[@lukaszlukasiewicz8382]

Electric bike it's not a bike, its just an electric bike

[@cauldron101]

@@lukaszlukasiewicz8382 This is an e-bike conversion motor. The amazing thing about this is that they can save you from being stranded due to exhaustion on extra long rides. Also, this one can be fully disabled leaving you with the friction of a high-quality bottom bracket.

[@lukaszlukasiewicz8382]

@@cauldron101 whatever, it's still for grandpas and loosers.

[@FlyingScot911]

Very interesting. I wonder how it compares to the CYCmotor Photon. The Photon is also integrated with the crank, but you can put it on virtually any bike. You don't need a specific frame design. And it provides up to and over 1,000 watts.

[@ataksnajpera]

This motor has no chance with PHOTON. 250W nominal vs 750W nominal. Let's not forget about price. Photon costs ~1000$ while this motor will cost more than 2000$. Also requires custom frame and probably proprietary battery system like on BOSCH ebikes. Cool idea but DOA.

[@neomancr]

Not surpised at all. The Ewheel drones and "chi fi" all feed eachother in a loop