Arizona's Biggest Fluorite Deposit! Learn how to Rockhound with Regina | Rustic Skills

[@RusticSkills]

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[@paleogeology9554]

Its good to see other gals out in the desert hunting, Im a Geologist / Engineer out here in Arizona as well. I own 26 mining claims mainly in La Paz, CO ( western az) from roughly Quartzite to Kingman is my realm. If you ever get over this way and wanna do some prospecting shoot me a comment. My channel is The Lapidary Channel, I have only a few of the materials we mine in the videos but it gives ya an idea what I do. I live in quartzite.

[@paleogeology9554]

If you take your Fluorite and let it soak in Oxalic acid in a bucket with lid left in the sun covered for roughly 3 to 5 days it will pull out all the iron stains making your material better for specimens or cutting rough, If you ever get specimens with nice cubes and its dirty soak it in Alconox for about 3 weeks without disturbing it and even if you think the stones clean it will slowly drawl out the dirt.. leaving you with a much more valuable specimen. Hope that helps ya alittle ;)

[@RusticSkills]

Just saw your comment! Yes, I would love to come visit your claims! Wow, that is a ton of claims! I am planning to do my first one for this very spot. It is pretty cheap to file a claim in AZ! Just gotta figure out how to do it. @@paleogeology9554

[@RusticSkills]

Interesting! I have heard of the oxalic acid but not the alconox method. I haven't tried to soak anything yet, I am totally wrapped up in collecting but I do want to try soaking finds. Any tips for selenite?@@paleogeology9554

[@randi3031]

@@RusticSkills I will buy you a coffee when I see you 🤣

[@adrianawinquistvaamonde7889]

Regina : I am from the land of Amathist ( Uruguay ) but now I live in the land of Turquoise ( Bisbee -Arizona ) . You are so great for this amazing adventure looking beautiful stones . You can help us to find fluorite and we can help you to find some treasure in our area . It’s so fun and you are the great cowgirl for looking all type of beautiful gems 💎!!!👍👍👍

[@RusticSkills]

I am glad you are enjoying my videos! Amethyst is an amazing stone, have you ever dug for it? What treasures are you finding in your area?

[@shieldofthebear1784]

This is my first video with you, but not my last. Love your attitude and your beautiful finds.

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you and welcome aboard! Lots of new adventures coming soon 🥰🔥

[@rockhoundforever551]

Beautiful fluorite I have been looking for places to go rockhounding in Az. Im new to az & moved to northwestern az. I've asked people where to go and all I get is no answer from them. It's like a secret or something. I want to thank you for sharing your experience with us. This was the first video that came up so as a fellow rockhounder, thought I'd watch it. You didn't disappoint! You have gained a new follower! Love your content and awesome humor! Lmao 🤣 👍

[@RusticSkills]

That's awesome, I'm so glad you found my channel! Yes, people are very secretive about their rockhounding and gold locations. I used to be that way, but now I am finding joy with sharing some locations with others so we can all enjoy the great outdoors and find treasures, because that is what the American dream is all about! At least for me it is. Enjoy my channel and my upcoming content, there will be much more to come! ❤️

[@rockhoundforever551]

@RusticSkills Thanks for your reply. I'm definitely going rockhounding this year. I even purchased a couple of Arizona rockhounding books to lead me on my journey as well as all the information you have provided. Thank you so much for sharing locations too, it's been tough trying to figure out where to go when no one tells you exactly where to go. I'm stoked to get out in nature again and find me some more goodies. Thanks again Beautiful! May you be blessed on your future journey's too Darlin'! Maybe we'll meet up sometime while rockhounding some day. (That would be cool!) Peace! ✌️😎🙏🥰

[@joesmith1922]

What you're finding is massive fluorite, not crystals. Fluorite crystallizes in isometric cubic habit - you don't have any of those. But what you found is just beautiful!

[@RusticSkills]

So Fluorite is a mineral, not a crystal. I do refer to it as a crystal because it has crystal like habits, and yes it does form in an octahedral habit. I am glad you enjoyed my video!

[@marciasandberg4513]

@@RusticSkills A crystal describes the form of a mineral and yet all crystals are minerals of some form or another

[@randi3031]

WOW 🤩… You are a walking encyclopedia ! Thank you for all your information ❤

[@RusticSkills]

You are welcome. I have learned a lot along the way!

[@domenicomanni8641]

Very nice pieces Regina ,nice video ,I dig sometime around to an amethyst mine here in Colorado I do find tiny crystal tips purple green and brown then pyrite with black veins ....... thanks for sharing your feeling when digging and selecting ,observing that beautiful stones .....I feel like you say in the dirt ....lost in the beautiful nature ❤❤❤

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you! The pyrite with black veins you find sounds awesome! I love being in nature and digging, I hope to do it full-time one day.... Thanks for your nice comment!

[@jrex9197]

What a good time! That aqua colored one is incredible. I'd be a happy boy to spend the day out there

[@RusticSkills]

It sure is a good time! I am planning to claim this location and open up a dig site! Stay tuned.....

[@jrex9197]

@@RusticSkills Hell yes!

[@hannahmiller4991]

I used to live in St David. Many springs there. Just really pretty and peaceful.

[@RusticSkills]

I agree, there are many trees and pastoral settings. I would consider buying some land there.

[@MatthewHayes-ym8uq]

That piece of iron you found is a staple. Used for ropes to pull up buckets and repel

[@RusticSkills]

Ohhhhhhhhhh this is awesome to know! Thank you for the explanation 🧡

[@destravlr]

Glad that you found that place. Was there 30 years ago. Before the nearby improvements.

[@RusticSkills]

I did find it and I know what you mean!

[@charleswilliams4002]

Outstanding

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you! It was an epic find 💎

[@rotisumbuErikGemstone]

Pencarian yang menarik, senang rasanya berada disana

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you, it was a super fun quest!

[@lloydwaide6660]

Durring WWII they used the clear fluorite for lenses on the the bombardeer’s sights

[@RusticSkills]

Thats a cool fact!

[@msclairesstuff3179]

At 24:00, you confessed to us that "I could just do this for the rest of my life..." And yet 'it will not have been a wasted life...' 💎

[@RusticSkills]

Most definitely a fulfilling life and looking forward to doing even more adventures!

[@3sunsully748]

I grew up in Whetstone and spent many years in those mountains and just spent the last week rock hounding in them. That area is still an active cattle ranch which is why theres watering the tanks. Get back up into the cayons behind you if you want the big bright stones, particularly FJC.

[@RusticSkills]

I know exactly where FJC is. What kind of big bright stones? Agates? I love the Whetstones they're my favorite mountain range down here.

[@kevinsnyder5244]

Love your video, great finds. Very amusing as well.

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you!!! Many more videos coming up this year!

[@Bigheartrolling]

Thanks for those videos! You’ve gained another follower!!

[@laurat5143]

Oh 😮 wow! I ❤️ all your finds. It's all so amazing😊aw was AZ stuff out there if you know what to look for 😅 really cool. I'd love to find some.

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you! Yes, I do study a lot so I can find the good stuff. It's half the effort!

[@mmmfun77]

Just found you. I am in Az. I found a good amount of Chrystocolla and some turquoise. This was interesting! I, of course, just subscribed❤

[@RusticSkills]

Awesome, thanks for the sub! Have you found gem grade turquoise and chrys? Or is it more of a layered deposit, like a stain?

[@davidinsvaz7883]

For years we camped up that canyon. Beautiful place. There is a shaft with a horizontal drift in it. We took an aluminium ladder to cross the chasm between the vertical to horizontal drift. Really nice...

[@RusticSkills]

Oh dang did you go behind the fenced area? Or is it a separate shaft? Would LOVE to go in this mine!

[@ROCKINWHEELERS]

We liked your Video so walla, subscribed. We are Disabled Seniors.

[@RusticSkills]

Aww, I'm so glad you joined! I hope you can live vicariously through my adventures. I have a real good one coming up!

[@mikewinings4120]

Love all tour energy and content 😊,.just earned my subscription 🙌

[@RusticSkills]

Awwww thank you, more awesome content to come! ❤❤❤

[@mikewinings4120]

Can't wait!

[@SissyMchill1]

Omgosh just found your page. Always happy to help a fellow Arizonian, rockhound. You gotta new subscriber. When you found that piece of metal, and asking if anyone knew what it was. I say to my phone, as if you could hear me. I say hold on a second let me ask my husband. 😂 he is knowledgeable about mining and artifacts found in Arizona. But he didn’t even know what that was. Hope to see more of your content. 😊

[@RusticSkills]

Lol that's awesome! It was a weird piece of metal, so glad I didn't sit on it 😱 that would've been a trip to the doctor for some shots! I did take it home lol. I do plan on making more rockhounding adventure content especially now that it isn't a million degrees out 🥵 thanks for the sub and welcome aboard!

[@SNancyhere]

😂

[@ccfreedomseekerconstitutio8767]

Sending ❤ love Rocking through 2024

[@RusticSkills]

Its gonna be a great year for rockhounding!

[@johnchism5728]

Regina, my dad had mining claims all around Sugarloaf Mountain and the Sycamore Creek, Sheep Tanks area. I am not physically able to walk to the places I'll talk about. There's a calcite crystal vein and Honey Onyx in it. There's a Rose Quartz area. A quartz blowout through ryolite that has really fine gold, that assays of up to 22 Toz per ton in a 3"x3" vein underneath the blowout that is white quartz was back filled at about 12 feet deep. Serpentine and olivine veins and even jade are found in the area. Quartz stringers are found everywhere through the precambrian hydrothermal granite, that has shiny silver hematite in the center between the small Quartz crystals. While most are stringers under an inch wide, areas have veins around a foot wide that run exposed a mile and more. There are pegmetite dikes on some mountain ridges like walls up to a foot high and more, these have Moonstones, Sunstones you can see in the surface of the exposed dikes. There are places in these dikes that bulge out, indicating possible vugs where gasses were trapped, that it's possible crystals can be found. Going towards Four Peaks was an old rhodenite mine, and much farther is past Mesquite Wash is a Quartz blowout with boydrel iron. On Four Peaks is the famous Amythest mine. Back to HWY 84 south of the roads to Four Peaks to the right and left to Sugarloaf Mountains/Sycamore Creek, is an old road that's closed to the Lower Sycamore Creek Recreation area. This is all ancient conglomerate as eons ago, it was an ancient seabed. I found stringers of calcite and Fire Agate. Up around Sunflower was the old Mercury Mine. My dad once owned the mineral rights to the Palmer Mine on the west face of Superstition Mountain. He had claims from Government Wells to First Water Road of copper,silver, and gold. Government Wells was the Arizona Highway 88 Maintenance Yard where I grew up, and dad was the explosive engineer in the 1960s. I now live outside of Stanfield, AZ. If you want to know more, just ask.

[@RusticSkills]

Oh wow, this is awesome! I am in Southern AZ and haven't spent enough time in the area that you are talking about. It is very mineralized up there and I want to do a trip and go exploring the pegmatites and also looking for olivine in the volcanic areas. If you want you can message me at rusticskills.com/contact. I can't list my email in the comments. I will be saving your info!

[@tymorris7677]

I would LOVE to know more. I live around this area you are talking about and am dying to have some new spots that aren’t so far for me to drive lol. Can I find you on fb or something so we can talk?

[@James-to7mv]

Beautiful finds 👏👏👏

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you so much!

[@raymond4648]

Your truly amazing 🎉 I love your video.

[@RusticSkills]

Thank youuuuuuu 😊❤❤❤

[@2HighNoon]

That pink handle at the bottom of the screen.. Looks like you’re riding your shovel around. 🙃✌️ cute. 😅🤷‍♂️

[@RusticSkills]

Lolololol

[@ccfreedomseekerconstitutio8767]

Multiple Shafts lol ❤

[@RusticSkills]

😆😆😆

[@Drew.Joseph]

That was great

[@RusticSkills]

Ty!!!

[@deadbeatbonehead]

That is an ore bin where they loaded the fluorite and held it 'till the truck came back to drive down to the back side of it where they would open those two shoots and load 'er up!

[@RusticSkills]

Ah, that makes sense! 🌵❤️

[@smokeydog67]

Not sure what the metal piece is but it would make a great boot puller! Love your video makes me wanna move to Arizona!

[@RusticSkills]

I think it is a huge type of staple and used for pulling up rope I think 🤔

[@gregwiesneth3137]

Great video!

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you!

[@1968capnkman]

Hi Regina. My wife and I are looking for new hounding locales and Lone Star Mine looks lime a great weekend spot. Are there still active claims where you are? Would you be wilking to share some spots for us to visit?

[@RusticSkills]

Hello! I give away two free rockhounding maps when you sign up for my newsletter: rusticskills.com/newsletter they are really good sites!

[@woodsweezell7596]

I feel like you are my soul sister. This is 💯 pecent what i would be doing if i llived there. Funny thing is i have always been drawn to Arizona. Someday i will make it there. Just found your channel. Thanks for the trip.

[@RusticSkills]

Awesome! I do love Arizona and I managed to land here by happenstance, now I am a property owner and spend most of my spare time in the mountains looking for gems and minerals! I am so glad you found my channel 🥰 Happy new year!

[@SNancyhere]

Can I be your triplet? 😅

[@RusticSkills]

Absolutely! 💯🥰

[@SNancyhere]

🥰

[@CBeard849]

Very pretty stuff there! I'd love to scrounge around for that stuff!

[@RusticSkills]

Yes it's quite a blast! I will be going back again soon

[@lisamanrique1770]

I'm so glad I stopped to watch this video!! You're a bad ass going out on your own!! The crystals are fabulous, I would love to go out there with you some time - my husband had a stroke 2 yrs ago and doesn't have the strength to walk that kind of terrain any more 😢 too much risk of falling for him. I don't suppose that you get to drive in fairly close to where you hunt?? I am a rusty metal fanatic or junkie!! Nails, screws, scrunched up pieces of wire - itcwas handled by someone a long time ago! Sometines trying to figure out what something is - can drive ya up the freaking wall or make you happy just knowing you found it!! Would you please let people know that it is ok to take those kinds of metal relics you found, home with you!! The law says if it is less than 100 years old it is not an "archaeological resource", unless it's from a burial, then it's finders keepers!! (Dont know just how many rusted tin cans or pieces of barbed wire, horse shoes, etc - that our overbearing govt thinks they need, sitting in archeologists cabinets only, severly limits other American Citizens from getting to enjoy a little piecevof our history! If those who love the old rusted stuff doesnt save it when its found, it could possibly deteriorate into orange dust for no one to enjoy!! And no, there may not be enough for everyone to have a piece of it - but my taxes at work - my souvenirs!!! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you!!! Unfortunately, most of my hunting grounds are nowhere near roads. This particular spot was a 7 mile round trip! I always collect the relics because if not, they only erode away never to be seen again. I am also a big time relic hunter and I plan to start making videos of my metal detecting excursions. I have TONS of old rusty bits from homesteads, ranches, and the old railroad :) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[@Christinals]

OMG Take me with you! Where is this?

[@RusticSkills]

This is an abandoned mine in Southeastern AZ, I am planning to claim it and do dig tours! I will keep you informed!

[@CoffeeKen]

I live very near to here! Did you just park at the Caverns parking lot and then hike, or did you take another path? When it cools down we might visit 😊

[@RusticSkills]

Yes, there is no direct access to drive to this location. Let me know if you find it 😎

[@CoffeeKen]

@@RusticSkills thanks, looking to head out to this weekend 😁

[@RusticSkills]

@@CoffeeKen good luck! ❤️🌵🤠

[@Louisianadenise]

Although I might never get to go to tat place. I love your detail in your descriptions of what you find and the places

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you!! Many more exciting adventures to come!

[@kennethgeoheganrogichms4349]

In your description of fluorite, you inversely related hardness with brittleness (or toughness), and they are not the same thing. It is quite common to find minerals that are both hard and brittle like diamond. At the other extremes, lead is very soft ( Mohs 1.5) but high on the toughness scale. So fluorite is both brittle and soft, but not brittle because it is soft.

[@RusticSkills]

This is an interesting point! I have an upcoming vid about desert roses which are made of selenite. Would they be brittle and soft also??

[@lauraburkett2239]

I'm in ny right now but will be heading home to az on the 40🎉 soon, love rock hounding, any good spots!

[@RusticSkills]

Oh there are tons of good spots if you know what to look for 😎

[@deloresdoak2349]

Gee, wish I could go with you I love to do that I joined the Rock club over here in Sun City Arizona no i TN I'm in

[@RusticSkills]

Rockhounding is my favorite pasttime! I think there are good spots too in TN!

[@StillnTheClear]

What are you carrying in your holster today?

[@RusticSkills]

Psssh. KZbin deleted my original comment, wow. It's a . 4o g l 0 c k

[@bobbykershii6181]

That was a high heeled horse shoe but the heel broke off

[@RusticSkills]

😆😆😆😆😆😆 I think your pulling my leg!

[@FiatVoluntasTua888]

😂

[@MrSmurfu1]

Following ❤

[@RusticSkills]

Awesome! 😎

[@2HighNoon]

WW2 shut down mining during the war. Many never reopened after the war. 🤔

[@RusticSkills]

This actually ran until about the 1950s, I believe the mine was exhausted.

[@larrypluhar2738]

do you need a permit/permission to get to the lone star?

[@RusticSkills]

Nope! This location is on public lands, is an abandoned mine, and has no active claim on it. So it's good to go!

[@cylee-mull6494]

Did you get the landowners permission or is this a public area that you went to? All I'm finding is that it's owned privately and I'm about to go out there and check it out today

[@Bigheartrolling]

Hey…did you go? Are you looking for someone to go with? I’m not far from here.

[@cylee-mull6494]

@Bigheartrolling I tried to go but the road to turn down is a park service road that's close to the public for kartchner caverns. You may be able to hike there but I think you have to hike up some roads that are private park personnel. I wasn't really in for a long hike and my dog thought it was too hot in the sun so maybe I'll go later in the winter time

[@adrianawinquistvaamonde7889]

But where are you ??? Arizona is big land . And spring or autumn perfect for looking gems .

[@RusticSkills]

This is the best time for gemstone hunting and I have some big trips planned! I am in Cochise County in Southeast AZ.

[@dawnsherine65]

If you come to Flagstaff i want to hang out with you please...

[@RusticSkills]

Flagstaff is on my list for rockhounding!

[@JosephLundy-xt7iu]

I would love to take a vacation and look with you sometime,would you be willing to have a tag along

[@JosephLundy-xt7iu]

I’m in shape 36 year old veteran live here in Florida lived my hole life definitely would be a amazing experience

[@JosephLundy-xt7iu]

You let me know I’ll fly out asap

[@bryanwhat2268]

That’s funny you licking a rock my friends give a lot of shot for licking rocks I tell them I want to see the colors in it

[@RusticSkills]

I'm a total rock licker 😎

[@joannparker1977]

So, as a fellow rock hounder, my question is how could you bring yourself to leave? I'd want to stay forever.

[@RusticSkills]

Trust me it is hard!

[@outdoorwally8430]

Livin the dream', regardless of asshole bushes👍⛏️

[@RusticSkills]

Ya know, Arizona is full of em 🌵

[@outdoorwally8430]

@@RusticSkills I'm going next winter👍⛏️

[@RusticSkills]

Oh nice. Where are you located?

[@outdoorwally8430]

@@RusticSkills central Ny

[@RusticSkills]

Oh wow. Ever dig for herkimers?

[@robertrhoades983]

I find aquamarine out there

[@RusticSkills]

Aquamarine out where??? 🤔

[@robertrhoades983]

I find the aquamarine in white quartz In pinal county Arizona.

[@AdventureMikeTime]

Awesome video! Keep going 🤙🏼

[@RusticSkills]

Thank you! I'm going to try my best!

[@Rollin.the.Wild.West.c14]

It is called open range where cows graze. They probably still use that old corral. Secretive locations should remain secret. Just saying Nice trecking.

[@RusticSkills]

Yeah.... I agree to a point. This spot I am actually in the process of claiming. A part of me never wants to share but a part of me does. It's a forever conflict.

[@PatsySchindler]

I think it’s a step

[@hjsasser3362]

Edward sissor hands😂

[@RusticSkills]

FOR REALS!

[@documentariesbycategory1483]

“I’m going to eat shit at the stupidest places.” - The number of times I’ve said that wen out rock hounding is infinite!

[@RusticSkills]

Yes! At the very end of my hunt last weekend, I had a mesquite thorn go right into my shin, it was a half inch long, ugh. That will be coming up on my latest vid drop!

[@documentariesbycategory1483]

@@RusticSkills Gah! That is the proper worst!

[@documentariesbycategory1483]

@@RusticSkills I live up here in the PNW and in December I was in the Skamania Mines/Last Chance Mine area. Was doing basic shit, when I ate shit, aaand broke my left trotter! One of those moments when ya think, “for all the crazy and dumb shit I’ve done in my life, this is how I break a foot!?”

[@DarronSanderson]

Lat/Long?

[@jahmasin]

FLOURITE IS A MINERAL CRYSTAL. USE A PETROGRAPHIC MICROSCOPE TO SEE ITS CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC ORIENTATION. EVEN GOLD, PYRITE, HEMATITE, SILVER ARE ALL CRYSTALS BUT THEY ARE METALLIC CRYSTALS. CRYSTAL CAN BE TRANSPARENT, TRANSLUCENT OR OPAQUE.

[@RusticSkills]

Good tips! Maybe I will buy one of those microscopes!

[@teresaswanson8238]

Can you drive to it?

[@RusticSkills]

Nope! 5 mile round trip!

[@teresaswanson8238]

Thanks

[@caseykc7abc499]

Cat claw acacia we call them bastard bush

[@RusticSkills]

Yes, these bushes are bastards!

[@brentwhatley2116]

Oh my God the f******... Mountain lions are outrageous around here he

[@RusticSkills]

😆😆😆

[@SissyMchill1]

I apparently missed the “cougar” (comment above yours. Or the mountain lion. Fun fact about me. I can go hunting carrying a 30.30 and a 9mm and automatically won’t leave my husband’s side 😂 always worried a mountain lion is stalking me. But let me go rock hounding alone, absolutely no fear of coming across one.

[@RusticSkills]

@@SissyMchill1 yes I have had those worries about mountain lions but I don't worry anymore. I go solo a lot in the wild, and I live on 30 acres, so I have gotten used to the critters. And I have my .40 and also a big ass knife so it would suck to get attacked but I will be the last one standing 🐆

[@SissyMchill1]

@@RusticSkills yes 🙌🏻 love your salty thought process. I watched a video, a very viral video of a mountain lion chasing a running for about 8 minutes. And since then every time I go out hunting when I’m carrying 2 guns I fear the dang cats. When I go Rick hounding alone with only one gun I fear nothing. Funny part is growing up here in Arizona and into my adult life never gave a 2nd thought about cats or rattlesnakes. Anyhow love your videos. I had said you got a new subscriber but I had already subscribed. I don’t hardly ever see your content along with a couple other channels from AZ. Very disappointed with KZbin.

[@RusticSkills]

Yes the algorithm sucks, but I also haven't been posting all too often. I am trying to get at least one video posted a month now. It is a lot of work to film onsite, and then edit and post. I also saw that video of the cat stalking the hiker, pretty crazy, but an extremely rare occurrence. The odds of getting attacked by a mountain lion are literally one in one BILLION! In the past 100 years, there have only been 20 deaths from mountain lion attack. To put it in perspective, the odds of getting struck by lightning are one in 15,300. You have a better chance of winning the Powerball which is one in 292 million, then getting attacked by a mountain lion. I hope that helps squash your fear of cats in the wilderness! I think I will make a video about this topic.

[@PausePlaySoundTherapy420]

Aweeee sorry I ruined the 420 subs. It’s 421 now 😝

[@RusticSkills]

😆😆😆😆😆 it's all good man

[@brentwhatley2116]

There is no damn way that f****** cougar is taking me...

[@RusticSkills]

Rawr 🐆

[@CharlieDontSurf1006]

What's the dollar value of the horde you found that day?

[@RusticSkills]

Shoot it's hard to say.... Fluorite is popular right now but this is massive fluorite and all broken up in chunks so maybe a couple hundred bucks, more or less. I could be completely wrong!