Leatherman Arc worth $230 ?? (One big issue, one perfect fix)

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[@OlegBurdaev]

According to the product page (I'm still waiting mind to be sent while ordered just in the morning on 17th !!!) the included bit kit is weird mix - only metric Hexes and two square Robertson (one of which looks unique). The latter I suppose widely used only in the US and Canada. As the bit set does not differ across the ocean, that looks like "here is the bit kit for free tha half of which you won't ever use" ;))) ARC: #1 Torx #10 & #15, #1 1 Torx #20 & #25 #1 Pozi #2 & #1 #2 Hex 1.5mm & 2mm #2 Hex 2.5mm & 3mm #2 Hex 4mm & 5mm #1 Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8" #1 Robertson #1 & 2 NONE Robertson #2 & 3 #1 + Square Drive #1 & #2 + Torx #10 & #15 + Torx #20 & #25 Torx #27 & #30 Eyeglass Screwdriver + Pozi #2 & #1 Phillips #1 & #2 Phillips #0 & #3 + Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8" Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16" Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4" #2 Torx #6 & #8 + Hex 1.5mm & 2mm + Hex 2.5mm & 3mm + Hex 4mm & 5mm Hex 6mm & 1/4" Hex 7/32" & 3/16" Hex 5/32 & 9/64" Hex 1/8" & 7/64" Hex 3/32" & 5/64" Hex 1/16" & .050"

[@maxlvledc]

this info is amazing! pinning it!

[@Durwood71]

The metric hexes will appeal to bicyclists since modern bikes use metric hex bolts almost exclusively.

[@Thunder8Buddies]

I like your idea with it. Way better use. There always put some unnecessary tool on them.

[@westie4ageturbo.749]

Its 499 in Australia……. Daammmit

[@zachlyndeYT]

Leatherman must really be terrified of people modifying their tools. I can’t believe they’d go so far as to leave out the T8 from the set.

[@edwardfletcher7790]

Yeah, it really says it all eh ? 😩

[@HoodieHan]

What’s hilarious is most of the engineers that participated in the Reddit AMA carry modified tools.

[@GeertSawek]

Well they stopped designing using security torx at least.

[@davidrushing2507]

I'm a little confused as to what you're saying. it's not as if someone could take apart there Leatherman tool with the the tool itself. People can easily get the bit they need to disassemble the Leatherman tool, Leatherman knows this. If that's why they left that bit out it's really stupid.

[@Locoedc909]

​@@davidrushing2507that is not the bit you need to take it apart! It uses a t9 technically you can use a t8 but you will end up stripping I know that from experience I ended up using a t8 and eventually got stripped

[@DoctorJones841]

Adding this bit driver does not void the entire warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act explicitly states that no warrantor of a consumer product may condition the warranty on using any specific brand's parts. They would need to prove that your new part directly caused the failure to deny your claim. Warranties are one of the few areas where the USA actually has consumer protection.

[@ZapWizard]

Hey, thanks for mentioning my holsters. The Garage 005 holster does fit the ARC, but I still will be making a perfect fit version just for the ARC. Even though it isn't mine, even I am tempted by that bit holder. Too bad I don't have easy access to low-cost machining like they do overseas.

[@deardenkylewoodruff5826]

If you made something like this it will sell out in a heartbeat, even at a higher price

[@gecensureerd]

I'm a mechatronics technician, and this Leatherman Arc multi-tool is literally what I need. I'm from Europe, and despite the high price of €300+, I definitely find it worth the effort.

[@2018NukNuk]

Come on, you can buy a toolset for that price!

[@clodvonclout]

If they made that bit holder slightly longer to allow more reach for regular 4mm bits. Then it would have been perfect. I love your channel, thank you for sharing all the mod videos. I really enjoyed watching them, and I learned a lot of new potentials to make my multitool better.

[@riolopez4079]

And ruler, and the ruler. I will be etching my own in to the Arc

[@IlmarBeekman]

Leatherman is creating the luxury multitool brand with the arc. In the pocketknife world, $230 is not that expensive really. Especially considering magnacut. Add the excellent toolset and I think this is the perfect pocket knife/multitool bridge.

[@Yeti21173]

Couldn’t agree more. For all the tools you get WITH a magnacut blade it’s not bad at all

[@fmsracing442]

That is crappy of Leatherman to leave out one bit forcing you to buy a redundant bit kit to get all the bits. Leatherman doesn't even disclose this fact on their Arc web page.

[@jeremiahbrady5296]

I feel like this issue wouldn't be one if they sold each bit individually, I'd pay $5 per bit if they'd sell the t6/t8 bits separately 😪

[@EriclesMH]

In the Leatherman Q&A on reddit, one of the designers said they didn't put a hole in the awl because they view the implement as a pry/scrape/poke tool and the hole would decrease the overall strength.

[@kevola5739]

I think that if I was going to do a repair on leather or canvas I would wait until I could do a proper repair rather than a patch job since these types of materials are usually found on more expensive gear. Nylon, ripstop, or other fabric would not fair well with such a large puncture to do a in a field repair. Dave Canterbury recommends taping a heavy sewing needle to the back of your knife sheath for repairs which could easily be adapted for todays needs.

[@ruiz1871]

If someone made an proper awl needle that fits into the eyeglass bit holder, that would be pretty cool.

[@maxlvledc]

agreed, and D.C. actually uses the hell out of his gear.

[@trevorhoover1934]

I can say I’ve never needed the hole in the awl to use for sewing, but I have broken my awl right at the hole using it as a reamer. In my opinion the hole just makes the tool weak and serves no purpose. So I agree with the designer.

[@unitedstatesirie7431]

​​@@maxlvledc why would the Leatherman driver bits wear out? Leatherman claims their driver bits are "hardened steel."

[@jasonjohnson6344]

I definitely like the mod you did here. I wish Leatherman would offer that mod on their other models. I’m not a guy who’d pay the $230 plus for the Ark just because of a better blade steel. My Leatherman blade is a backup for my pocket knife anyway and that’s where I invest in a quality blade steel. To be able to use three different styles of drivers with that modification is sweet.

[@bengormont536]

The only reason I was ever Intrested in the ark is for one it looks nicer then the free series and two is the thumb stud on the cutting blade. I was definitely a little disappointing in the price of the ark at first but hey I’ve carried a free p4 for quite awhile now and I’m very impressed other the it’s alittle bit tricky the access the blade in less than perfect conditions

[@stemill1569]

🤣especially as you have life time warranty. So if you really need it you can send it in when the "cheaper" steel gets damaged. With all one can criticize about Leatherman. Here they are really good at.

[@jerrbear1017]

I just got my charge plus tti about 2 months ago, I’ll keep my charge for edc and I was between the arc and surge for work, I’m still leaning definitely more towards the Surge now

[@MSkachenite]

I have the Surge. It is VERY, VERY heavy tool. The Surge with bits and with ratchet driver weights 580 grams. Surge alone weight 380 grams. I purchased it for my hiking trips, but it weights so much- I prefer to hike with my Victorinox Handyman. The best side of Surge- it has changeable saws and the bit driver.

[@OtherThanIntendedPurpose]

for years steel snobs have been crying that Leatherman does not have "premium" blade steels.... now Leatherman made one with an upgraded steel.. and the same people are crying about how much it costs. I like the tool set on this, and would like to at least try one, for a review. but I am happy with my 440 blades on my wave and surge.

[@JohnP.6775]

Love the idea of modifying it but I’m gonna keep mine how it is, the flat ones are more portable if I need anything more robust chances are I have my tools anyways

[@jasonswitzer1748]

Not trying to change your mind, but nothing would prevent you front still carrying the Leatherman bits and using them with the Mod shown in the video. It just provides additional options if you want to use other bits. That said, voiding the warranty could be a bummer if you’re hard on your tool.

[@larrya197140]

The Leatherman oht is back in stock!

[@Bob-TheTechGuy]

Just got my Arc today. Replacing my Surge as my EDC since I really don't use it every day for hard work like the surge is really made for. Prefer the lighter weight and all tools on the outside. Love the channel! Thanks for all the great information!

[@MikeBaxterABC]

5:05 Seriously what is the big deal with the price? Any tool that will be used daily, AND lasts for 20 years?? is a bargain at under $400 ! .. Didn't like the spring pliers, HATE serrated blades (just keep the regular blade sharp) ... and HATE bottle openers you can open a bottle 1000 ways

[@Sonnacs]

I just recently bought a new leatherman and I was torn from the surge or the arc. I decided to go with the surge just because I feel value for what you get is better then the arc. Plus being able to remove the file/saw and either get aftermarket bosh ones or just oem replacements is great, add the benefit of using the diamond file to sharpen the blade on the surge in a pinch is great as well.

[@cranstonsnord4334]

I bought a Free P4 last year and that was pretty much the max I would spend on a multitool. This is just too expensive for me, and they do not even give you the full bit kit. Is the sheath leather? Maybe they should make a version with standard 420 steel. That would fine for my needs! I may scour Ebay later on for one!

[@necatituran1775]

Could you please link the manufacturer of that mod you put in? İm looking for something similar for my wave and this seems to be just the ticket.

[@catalystactual6491]

As a casual user I literally could not care less about the bits and I don't think I've had any issues with the bits in my skeletool during the 7 plus years I've had it..

[@m1a242]

Seriously right😂

[@johnfiggy]

It would be really nice if they had a "build your own tool" type of program so you can make a tool with the bit driver you installed, theres a handful of tools included on this that I have no use for and it would be nice to swap them out

[@snosov]

Love Leatherman-bit concept, however hate how soft they are and how fast they wear down. Wish some company produce that bits with different technology so they would last.

[@dalecarr5445]

I actually like the flat bits because they take up less space. I usually carry a bit elder anyway so I can use 1/4” bits with that. I heard that the reason the bit kits were out of stock was because they needed to use another supplier and the new supplier increased the hardness of the bits. I’m not sure that true though it would be interesting to test that comment.

[@landscapingspecialist]

I have the Klein mini ratchet. Highly recommended

[@Quizerno]

On one hand, the ARC has continued to trend of Leatherman annoying me. Throwing a bunch of collector's items at us for a year and then finally giving us a new tool, that includes everything the FREE series should have but put at an absurd price point due to blade steel. On the other hand, it has got me to revisit my FREE P2 and I've grown to appreciate it more despite it's issues. I'm saving my money for a GOAT.

[@EternalAmmonite]

I've been split between splurging on an Arc (I love the magnetic, one-handed everything) and a GOAT (I love the customizability)

[@onemanhisdub1969]

You're better off with a Sheep 👌

[@Durwood71]

"I'm saving my money for a GOAT." Ah, yes, the Victorinox Swiss Tool X.

[@1TruePatriot]

I don't see the "bit driver" at the ebay link provided for same--instead, it lists "Scalpel Blade Bit Holders Saw T-Shank for the Leatherman Free P2 P4 Series." If the original link is outdated, can you please supply an updated one? If you sell the bit driver through your affiliated links, I'll gladly buy one from there/you. Thanks--and great video!

[@1spesic]

Which bit driver is correct for the Free P4? There are three versions for 4mm

[@kich6172]

Nice. Not for the steep price and loss of the warranty though. I think I'll stick with my Surge (or even my Wave+ for a lighter carry) and save the money to put toward a folding knife with a Magnacut blade. I was excited for something new, but the more I see about the Arc the more disappointed I become.

[@PokeNachos]

Ironically you could've saved more money if you just bought the magnacut blade then swaped the pre existing blade from a free P2.

[@johnkraemer5505]

Awesome modification! Great video! Yes! Leatherman should have integrated the 1/4 bit driver into the ARC! I have been saying it for years…. The Leatherman proprietary bits are crap! The ARC would have been the perfect tool to make the switch over to a standard 1/4 inch bit driver. What is the deal with Leatherman for not including the T6 / T8 bit? It costs pennies for them to make! They should have included the entire bit kit in with the ARC! What’s Leatherman thinking? Their still out to lunch! In a recent video that Leatherman released …. They stated that, they spent the last five years developing the ARC and listening to customer feedback on the feature set to design into the ARC. The video is full of BS. Why would Leatherman spend the extra money to coat the Magnacut Blade? It doesn’t make sense at all! Why add the extra cost? I really wish Leatherman would have added a standard T-Shank to the ARC platform! Why is Leatherman constantly out of stock on so many items? I just scratch my head…… Wondering what in the heck is going on at Leatherman. The ARC with a standard 1/4 bit driver, serrated blade, and standard T-Shank would have really been awesome! 😎👍🏻

[@TKettle]

You can buy an extension that lets you use normal 1/4" bits with any leatherman bit driver. So with the ARC sheath you would carry your bits and the extender in the pockets. But with the modification Max did, you still somehow need to carry the bits you're gonna need, but now they won't fit in the sheath so I guess you'll have to carry them separately. My only gripe with the ARC is that there's no onboard bit storage, when even my skeletool has that one covered. I'm not about to carry the sheath 100% of the time. I hope the aftermarket will figure out a solution to that. Everyone has their own complaints though and the tool will never be absolutely perfect for everyone. That's kinda the point. They have to find a balance, and no matter what they add or don't add, people will always complain like the world is ending.

[@diegolainfiesta]

Just carry the bit extender. I like LM solution much better, their bits are optimized for portability and it is compatible with the full 1/4 bits. The other way around does not work.

[@MrASM78]

Good point

[@js8828]

i wish they could have the T shank from the surge i like having a few back up files laying around so i dont need to send in the tool for a new file everytime i wear it out

[@HughPecon]

I kinda like the Leatherman bit kit system better. Just for its carry ability. I can carry the tool and the full bit kit in the sheath plus the bit extender in those stretchy pockets on the outside. Absolutely perfect for edc.

[@edwardfletcher7790]

It's great, if you love crazy expensive bits made from play dough metal...

[@googleuser6635]

The Leatherman bits are almost useless. Why they choose to use those bits beats me. Putting that bit proprietary driver on the Arc is a step backward. The bits keep falling out. The Arc is a terrible tool selection. No serrated blade? Pass. Lousy scissors? Pass. Useless bit driver taking up space? Pass. Lousy/no package opener? Pass. The Arc has a magnacut blade. Wooooo. Yeah, no. It's a toy for people who don't do.

[@HughPecon]

​@@edwardfletcher7790 I do

[@HughPecon]

​@@googleuser6635 nope

[@googleuser6635]

@@HughPecon Figures.

[@user-zh4vo1kw1z]

The best thing there is your mod! (Really, where can I get one? You've mentioned this before I think) I seriously doubt knife lovers will generally consider the blade worth it For this price you can get wayyyyy better handling knives. For most knife people, ergonomics is a major factor. Which is why every one of them carries a multitool for anything but the blade, excepting as a backup option. For non-knife people, they will only carr for the steel if they are the type to buy into "x says this is the best". Leatherman is approaching Gerber levels of frustrating for me. But somehow from the exact opposite direction. Every Gerber tool has one or two good ideas but cheaps out so much on the rest the tool itself becomes pointless. Leatherman has one or two decent ideas snd continues to price themselves out of the user-consumer market straight into the lifestyle and collector segment. So nah, they don't pay for that Bruce Springsteen stamp. You do.

[@HughPecon]

My King Surge will remain my go to multi tool for work. I will replace the Wave+ with the ARC for my edc.

[@AB-ol8qy]

Surge can't be used for EDC?

[@chadmartin-w3f]

So where do I buy the 1/4” bit driver like you just installed!!???

[@maxlvledc]

Link in Description

[@guigao2007]

The link is out of stock

[@toddnewsom8129]

Nope. Leave it as is. The Leatherman extension works well with regular bits. Especially since its loose and blocks the function of the pliers. That will get annoying really fast. The missig T6/T8 bit is bogus.

[@cmfall1986]

When you consider how long people keep and use these tools- even a full $100 price difference is insignificant. Everyone has their own budget and priorities. I consider $230 for a tool I will use daily for 10 years to be perfectly fair.

[@marcchartrand4959]

Sure, but you can purchase a BiBury with the same functions for about $75.00 canadian and use it for 10 years as well. Then spend the difference on other tools. You have to be rich to purchase this and risk it being stolen of lost while working. It is $338 Cad. Nuts.

[@Stink777]

I was dead set on buying it at launch but I woke up on the 17th with a changed mind. Gonna wait it out.

[@BlueGearReviews]

I use the wave/charge can opener all the time. I do not like the can opener design on this Arc/P4 free series. Also, the wire stripper notch is to small on the Arc.

[@patrickbledsoe2176]

I also use my can opener on my wave almost everyday, I havent had the opportunity to use this new design I've been wondering how it well it would work

[@maxlvledc]

way way way worse imo. its a shitty can opener.

[@BlueGearReviews]

@@maxlvledc I had a feeling it wouldn't perform, as it is the same on the P4. As much as I like the Magnacut, right now- money wise, I will stick with my old reliable Charge TTi/Surge/Wave etc.

[@NGMonocrom]

This thing is an overpriced joke for collectors. A cash-grab. Nothing more. And that's coming from someone who collects Leatherman tools! I won't be adding this thing to my collection.

[@mjalghum]

I agree with you 100% about getting whatever works for you in this tool. I still think the ARC is excessively overpriced for the features it is offering

[@etherealicer]

I think the price is ok. Multitools in general are rather fair priced compared to folding knives. Not my cup of tea though, as I carry a knife + MT, I would be more interested in a bladeless Free P4.

[@AB-ol8qy]

Agree, it should be $189 at the absolute maximum.

[@bulgariastan]

$230 is steep for me. The surge was pushing it for me at the $150 I bought it for. The wave was probably more appropriate for me but I wanted outside accessible scissors😂.

[@chevy4x466]

It’s too much money. I can purchase a Knipex 4” plier and a ruike m61 and take my chances for under $100.

[@gtcam723]

Interesting. I didn’t pay any attention to Leatherman for several years. Back then, I had to build a Re-Charge. Now here’s my completely unsolicited suggestion on the T6/T8 bit issue. Assuming one doesn’t have that driver that you installed. Use the extension and get good insert bits (magna, dewalt, milwaukee, wiha, wera) and you should have less issue with consumption of them. I know that requires use of that extension but I don’t see a better way. The proprietary bits annoy the shit out of me. Also, that holster is slick. Wonder if there is one that would also accept an addition of the Exotac fire starter.

[@ShebanFPV]

230usd is not expensive, in UK arc costs 260gbp, which is almost 328usd!

[@MarkSnop]

can you provide a link or the exact description of the tools that you used to take apart your Leatherman? I have been trying to find the ratchet driver handle whatever you might wanna call it and I can’t figure it out. I guess I’m a little slow, but I’ve searched everything I can think of and haven’t found it yetsure appreciate it. Thank you so much. I also love your videos.

[@deykno87]

Whats your take…swapping out the saw for the serrated blade? Thats a complaint I’ve seen a lot for surge/charge users

[@maxlvledc]

I prefer this toolset personally. I don't need another blade.

[@MichaelR-kl6hk]

I've been using the wave since before it picked up the + and have never seen a reason to upgrade it. I see a multi tool as kind of a jack of all trades master of non option. When I need better more specialized tools for something, I have those, know what I mean?

[@DonHawkinsPhoto]

Do you think it’s a good idea to put locktite on the screws when you put it back together? Great video!

[@JohnnyJuke]

Marketing is pure evil. Ask Bill Hicks (RIP). Leatherman wrote the book on Marketing.

[@ZaneStathakis-t5r]

Hmm, I wish it had a gut hook on there, like the Charge TTi

[@chiphungerford]

Be nice if they had a custom platform where you could order the tool with the tools you want built by them and still under warranty

[@justinschexnayder8485]

Great business opportunity

[@MrASM78]

How does this void your warranty, couldn’t you just put the original tool back in there before you send it off?

[@Luk_at_me]

Great job, man! I must say that Arc looks interesting.. BUT.. In Sweden it costs 3999 kr = 330 € for this money you can buy Surge/Charge/Wave or Free and for example Deka in Magnacut (if it is important to have a magnacut blade) and a few beers or some accessories. I plan on hunting for good sales and maybe then...

[@coastaltransplant]

You wouldn’t happen to have a part number for the pice you put in would you? I just ordered on and that bit would be the perfect addition to the tool!

[@GearRelated]

Love your videos and how in depth you go with details and your thoughts! I bought the arc today for one because I’m a knife guy “to your point” and I’ve been using the Free P2 as my harder use EDC multitool and with the tool set on the Arc it looks like those will be solved for me! I plan on making a video on my perspective of why I bought it when it arrives!

[@maxlvledc]

awesome, tag me when you do!

[@GreyWolfe]

I really like it, I really want it, but, not at that price.

[@Pepperdjt]

I’ve wanted a p4 with bit driver for a while… considering that it cost me $160 with a student discount I got it seems reasonable

[@pzajkoh1487]

Great video and modification. Thanks for the headsup about the missing bit. Im a little less excited because of that. Leatherman, have to find a way to mess something up!

[@simonh6371]

Just the equivalent of $317 here in the UK (£261) so not 50% more like they usually do, that would have been $345 in £. I'm going to get 3, and eat Ramen for a year.

[@MarkOng-ud3vz]

The USA label is also on the Free series

[@maxlvledc]

yep!

[@larryvincent1083]

Thank you for this video, as well as the others you produce. I always look forward to seeing what you’re introducing next. As far as the Arc is concerned, Leatherman has priced itself out of my market. I bought a Wave+ earlier this year and added the bit kit & an bit extension. I was $150+ into a Leatherman EDC kit at that point. I won’t spend the extra for the Arc, especially since I bought the ByBury clone of the Surge, which is a really great tool. Unexpectedly, I bought the Gerber Dual Force (I think you informed us of the sale), and I use it more than any multitool I own. The chisel and pliers are fantastic. Thanks, again for your service.

[@TurinAlexander]

I've got a Dual Force in my collection. Great tool. The slip joint on the pivot is such a nice feature. More multi-tools could use it.

[@Darkflight56]

$230? Are you joking? In France it costs €299 which is $326...

[@bombapiotr]

It's 230 + VAT and rounded as always...

[@xV13TCONGx]

On the site, it lists type A, B, C, D, E. I didn't quite understand

[@goodinsrt8]

That T6 would be a huuuuge plus.

[@adjutant]

full-size 1/4" hex drive is absolutely amazing. for most people, the can opener is the one tool they don't use. truly the perfect mod.

[@BrianRWelch]

Great video! I like the 1/4" + 4mm bit holder you installed replacing the proprietary Letherman bit holder. Are you aware of a replacement that would work with the Surge? Thanks!

[@googleuser6635]

The bit holder is one useless placeholder, IMO.

[@Lord_zeel]

While I do love the idea of using standard 1/4" bits in theory, I'm not sure if it's actually better in practice. You lose another tool, and it's not a useless one - that flat driver is the prying tool as well, something you really shouldn't do with a bit driver. Plus, the way the Leatherman bit driver handles bit retention is (albeit only slightly) better than what these aftermarket parts offer. The 4mm bit holder is also really neat, but even a 4mm bit is wider than a Leatherman bit, so they would be hard pressed to include such a tool without taking up more space, compromising on strength, or creating proprietary precision bits that are as thin as their larger bits. And in the end, you still need to carry extra bits for it to even matter. The Leatherman bits are double sided, so in many cases it's just two tools in one, but you still have the pry tool. With the aftermarket, you can still have that two in one, but you lost the pry tool... I really don't think they are just trying to sell proprietary bits. I think most Wave owners probably don't buy a bit kit to start with, and probably only ever consider buying a replacement of the standard one it comes with if they break it. The Leatherman design allows them to fit more into one tool, while still giving you a two-in one with the option of swapping to other bit types, and the ability to replace broken bits. It isn't universal, but I think that it does what most users really need without wasting space. That's not to say that there aren't downsides to the way Leatherman does it, and they could certainly charge less for the replacements. And it isn't to say that this sort of upgrade doesn't make sense for some users, but I don't think I would agree that the standard bit driver is a "big issue" or that this is a "perfect fix" for it. I think there are much more frustrating issues that are much harder to solve with this and other Leatherman tools (not to mention other stuff that the company does).

[@jeremystubbs4397]

I'm going to wait until it is confirmed that the Arc is shipping with the T6/T8 bit. That's ridiculous. There's no excuse for not including that bit.

[@lga8791]

😂you could afford a preowned firearm for that price.

[@NireBryce]

i bet the t8 bit wasn't able to be made in their US factory without defects bc it's so fragile and they haven't had much time to adjust the tooling here

[@Nunya9876]

This might be a basic question-why do so many multitool manufacturers include a bottle opener and/or can opener on almost every make/model/unit/tool? Wouldn’t it be better to have the tools most people would actually use the most or need? Instead of a can opener or bottle opener, they could redesign the multitool with a much more useful pry bar, knife/blade, possibly include a razor knife, pliers, wire stripper, cutters, a well designed bit holder that can use a huge range of the most popular bits that most tradesmen etc use, of course all the tolls would need to have a lock, and make the tool capable of customization while being covered by a decent warranty? It doesn’t make sense but it seems to me they can make a good tool without the mostly unused can opener and bottle opener.

[@peddypeoples941]

This could have almost be an alternative to my beloved Swisstool X, but i fell for the premium steel blade once with the Charge tti (my first plier mt ever). Just carry a good knife...love the implements of the arc, but the price is bonkers (guess 260 euros here in germany or even more wtf) When i look at that huge secondary bevel on the blade, yikes, my 6mm thick knife i use dayly has a way better edge geometry, so does the Swisstool, subotimal hardened magnacut be damned.

[@Amphibax]

Looks like a really cool tool and love the mod maybe something I'll do to my wave but still its way to expensive in my opinion even more here in germany the msrp is 299€ no way I'm paying that much

[@trevr10]

£260 or $317 here in the UK 😢

[@jasonswitzer1748]

I personally don’t EDC any I’d or full-size Leatherman because of the weight…I prefer an 84mm Victorinox instead. That said, I have a Charge TTi and I honestly don’t see enough advancements in the Arc over the Charge to justify the added cost. The magnetized design doesn’t work for me because I wear mechanical watches and try not to hang around heavily magnetized objects… plus the whole metal shavings thing (but in my world that’s not really an issue). The one-handed operation is nice, I suppose, but seriously… I’d save what? Literally 2 seconds compared to the 2-handed operation of the Charge? If I don’t have 2 seconds to spare, something very wrong has happened to my life. Finally, the Magnacut inclusion is great, but I too am a knife guy. I’d rather have a separate EDC knife with Magnacut (e.g., Hogue Deka) than be saddled with the weight of a multitool if I want that steel. So am I saying the Arc is a bust? Absolutely not. If I didn’t already change the Charge Tati, I would absolutely consider it. But since I already have the Charge… this just doesn’t offer enough to warrant a purchase. At least not at the current price. Curious if anyone else shares my views.

[@sski1971]

Hello, the ebay link for the driver opens to a different product.

[@maxlvledc]

It is the listing where they have multiple options to select..but I'll double check.

[@dso]

It's not PVD - it's DLC, which is much better!

[@oliver6able]

I just carry a bit extender and that accepts 1/4 bits. So I feel this is completely unnecessary

[@dxace1]

Looking for that exact bit driver does not seem to be at the Url

[@maxlvledc]

I updated it with one from ebay

[@Crosswalker.]

In Germany this Leatherman is 299€ that's about $316 😏 a joke imo, Leatherman used to be a company that made tools for workers, now they are just a company that makes tools for rich collectors it seems... Nothing I would ever buy. 😑 But I like your mod 👍

[@bjornkeizers]

Wow. So on the one hand, they make this cool tool that would appeal to knife guys... but actively don't include the ONE BIT that all knife guys need? That seems intentional for sure.

[@xst-k6]

I see what they did here, using premium materials to deter copycat brands from taking Leatherman's market share. I'd personally wait and let the price fall before pulling the trigger.

[@pj4433]

Just watching more. All that money and the T8 is so poorly heat treated you can only use it three times? Then all that money and you don’t even get it. I think I’ll just buy a load of dai camping and put them in every car and bag.

[@robertfinneide5044]

Over here in Sweden they cost 3999 sek which is about 360 usd. Way to much, but I still want one 😂

[@ribstein7714]

bruh. I knew it would be expensive over here but I expected like 3300-3500kr or something. That's wild

[@robertfinneide5044]

@@ribstein7714 Yeah, I feel they are really pushing it..

[@ribstein7714]

@@robertfinneide5044 probably sticking with my charge for the forseable future. having an awl would be a tremendously useful tool for me and the easy accessability is a really good selling point but yeah: that's pushing it

[@TommiHonkonen]

so lets pretend they had the t6 t8 bit on it. Like, mechanically, how do you drive the t6 t8 bit with the arc to open the screws on the arc? Do you see the problem or do i not see the problem? Also was pretty disappointed not to find the holster link in the description.

[@unfi6798]

What matters more is its functionality when required. It's not compromise mate, it's an improvement. The reason Leatherman left out the two most useful bit is just sales & marketing. The Arc is quite expensive and to get one into Australia will be a fortune due to tax & exchange. FYI we've made mods to our generics that it would be able to utilise different/multiple bits from almost all makers. Who needs warranty when we have MaxLvlEDC to show us what to do to make our tools much more useful. Cheers maestro from Australia.

[@MicaelSantana450]

its like 340 Cad$ here in Canada with Tax or 250$ US with tax, seems equal

[@MarkPdot]

$230 & no serrated knife blade is ludicrous to me. Just got a Wave+ & I paid $120 & the complete bit kits for $30 from my local Sportsmans. I know it's the better deal for me as I still have my original Wave, 20+ years old, in my truck and it gets used almost daily. The new Wave+, my now EDC, is already seeing ample useage and so far I'm very happy with it. Great video, thanks.

[@Renku07]

I'll wait and buy a Chinese knockoff. A 1/3 of the price and good quality too. I already have a Surge knockoff, Rocktol, and it works perfect. The problem is that companies get too greedy. Well, I'm not paying top dollars for an incompletes tool. This tool should be perfect if Leatherman wants top dollars.

[@edwardhance3894]

Leatherman put the scissors on the outside, and got it made enough in the USA to say it on the product. Comparing the cost to the wave and charge, while keeping in mind other costs that have gone up, the ark really is not that much. My problem is my pay not keeping pace. With all that I plan to get the leatherman ark, it might be next year and use the rei %20 off coupon.

[@johnduffy6546]

I think the engineers who design this schtuff, should have to USE it in a "real world environment" before spewing it on the general public...Just because it looks good on paper, doesn't necessarily make it so...To quote the well publicized educator, (Dr. Thomas Brames) "you can prove or disprove anything with statistics"...Give me SUBSTANCE...Not stats!

[@stemill1569]

My biggest problem with the tools is that there is only the Wave I can use legal. Because oft he 2h blade version. But for what I'm doing the Wave is anyways the best version of a Multitool I have found so far. Have you asked Leatherman about the missing bit? I think as you have a youtube channel and you are showing this tool and recommending multiple Leatherman tools you should be seen as an instance that at least deserve an honest answer. My guess would be: "We forgot." Marketing/consulting is always the worst enemy of a company. These eggheads come always up with statistics that just doesn't make sense. As you said it: "Don't buy it as it doesn't really worth it except you want it" Your bit exchange is a cool idea. As the Leatherman bits are always a problem. btw you should know the leatherman bits work with 1/4 as the ratchet has the full 1/4 head. And yes. I think having a real bit adapter and not the self made fake one would be better. If your adapter has a magnet in it it would be awesome. Especially as you are right. The leatherman bits are kind of shitty. They work but they are also kind of shitty. But yeah, you can open a bottle of beer. You shouldn't even be allowed to drink beer in public when not being able to open it without an opener. 😉I know, you murrican's are not. Overall I anyways are more an believer in more specified tools. Especially Leatherman has dozens of Multitools but none of them are specified for any purpose group. They are all for drunks? All have the useless bottle opener. I would really love having a tool with fitting tools for someone who works electronics. And I'm sure others think the same. Get rid of the useless shit and have something that has what you need so it wouldn't matter when you left your toolbox at your companies workshop 😅

[@mikeredhead2894]

There has to be a way to get full size 1/4 inch hex driver and also t-shank on a MT. Has to be.

[@scott762mm]

Nice work! I like it.

[@kylebrooks2538]

Nope most of them are over priced...... BOND does the job... if they want to make the perfect leatherman at a affordable price.... that benefits the public an the company... Just make the BOND with just a few differences few upgrades.. Put a thicker shorter blade on with better quality of metal. Put saw on it.. Put scissors on there.... DONE.. Put the price from £59.99 to £99.99.. for the bond with the upgrade.. il gladly pay that... One thing I do like about one of the leathermans as an extra. Is the fire starter rod... just as a back up.....

[@-LiQuidGaS-]

Leatherman knew EXACTLY what they are doing witholding the T6/T8 just like the adjustable pliers features...i swear leatherman is fast becoming all those other big companies out there and basically splitting their products up like the DLCs in computer games, selling you half the game at full price then hiding the rest behind a pay wall...its now "profit above all else" with these people I swear shit is just turning straight up predatory...Not gonna lie I'm disappointed, i expected better from you leatherman

[@k9teamzagrebskolazapse149]

That is stupid expensive for multi tool . And if you are somewhere and must fast sharpen that knife has 65+ rockwelt. Whit litle DC4 you will play for a long time . I prefer much softer steal also my Vic Spirit MX is much tinner and all tull is beter sorted. Ok that is my opinion.

[@dennispoley6005]

The blade steel is great, the blade shape not so much. No secondary blade, serrated or straight. The mini driver is a waste of space. The scraper is ok, but no sewing hole. It still has the 2D bit driver. Lose the mini driver and the 2D driver, put a 1/4" in their place, give us a good bit kit and extension. The price is too high for an average tool. The only specialty is the blade steel. For $80 you can get a Rebar, for $100 a Super Tool 300 or 300 M.

[@bmmcwhirt]

IMO the Leatherman bits are garbage. The one bit I keep in my tools is the carbide glass breaker. For everything else I use Wiha double sided bits with either the bit extender or ratcheting extender. The extenders are not the greatest either but still better than the soft steel, almost to the point of being aluminum, bits Leatherman sells. How can they make such good mult-tools then ruin it with those bits. That said the bit adapter in this video might just be my ideal solution. My ARC will not be here till next week, but I'd rather lose the mini screwdriver and or the awl over the can opener. Is the can opener the same width as either of those? Also, regardless of what the legalese in the warranty, disassembly, maintenance, repair and replacement of parts will not hold up in court and companies know that. So unless they can prove you used a third party part and it caused damage or malfunction, they will usually honor the warranty as long as you return it to normal before sending it in. Besides, if you know your changes to the device caused the malfunction or damage, it's dishonorable, scaleless, and fraudulent to try to get it serviced under warranty. IMO, this should be the standard on Leatherman, and they should team up with Wiha to offer a Wiha double ended bit kit, lose the mini eyeglass screwdriver and just have Wiha make a double ended 4mm bit. I love MagnaCut steel and it's the reason I'm getting the ARC. I see this blade being so successful that we will probably see a new Wave, Charge and Surge with this new blade. It would be nice to see it on the Mut, but I'm doubtful on that one.