The State of Apple Silicon in 2025 - How Apple BEAT Windows

[@MaxTechOfficial]

M4 Mac mini ➡ geni.us/PaBL3Z M4 14" MacBook Pro ➡ geni.us/z6J4 14" M4 Pro/Max MacBook Pro ➡ geni.us/AjyWC 16" M4 Pro/Max MacBook Pro ➡ geni.us/g0bpcUX M4 iMac 24" ➡ geni.us/Fi24Abc M3 MacBook Air 13" ➡ geni.us/NmOB M3 MacBook Air 15" ➡ geni.us/kMpdm AirPods 4 on Amazon ➡ geni.us/UFnJn0x AirPods 4 with ANC on Amazon ➡ geni.us/ZSaa AirPods Pro 2 on Amazon ➡ geni.us/baqESwR AirPods Max 2 on Amazon ➡ geni.us/eO0R

[@ncard00]

Yeah, but Apple Silicon does not support FP64, which means it cannot be used for many BOINC volunteer computing projects and the GPU cores cannot be used for Folding@home, which many people wanna use the Mac mini and Apple Studio for, cause they can run these projects silently, and low power.

[@Espesia1]

Man, M4 or M4 Pro nowhere near the performance of RTX 4060. According the openCL benchmark on Geekbench: M4 ≈ GTX 1650 Laptop M4 Pro ≈ RTX 3050 desktop M4 Max ≈ RTX 4070 laptop

[@cameraprepper7938]

Apple do NOT beat Widows, MacOS users are only a small fraction of all computer users !!!

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

Thank you for saying $500 instead of 499. That whole 99 thing is so annoying.

[@marks4553]

if Apple nails the gaming industry, it's over man...

[@Someone--Else]

Gaming has been shifting to Linux, especially with Proton, which is a lot like Wine/CrossOver, then Apple has been working on something similar to Proton for Macs. Although with more, and more people just getting sick of Microsoft, and the BS they've been trying to do with Windows, Linux, and Mac stand to really be in a good place to cash in, and more developers would be more willing to make native games, and other applications for things other than Windows. The best thing that has happened for Mac, and Linux has been all of Microsoft's screw ups. At the same time the worst thing that could happen is if Microsoft managed to get their heads out of their own asses, and stop shooting themselves in the foot all the time.

[@DavidAlsh]

Software developer here: It's not going to happen. Apple use a strategy called "ring fencing" (an anti-competitive practice) in the development space to try to trap engineers as "Apple engineers" with as little transferable skills as possible. They do this to ensure that devs that make games for Apple products can't make games (or software in general) for other platforms. Apple have their Metal API and they have the ambition to make it what DirectX was in the early days of PC gaming. The thing is, Apple could easily add Vulkan support in MacOS (given they have GPU driver sources, it's like a few months of work). They could then leverage the work by Valve on Proton to bring essentially the entire Windows game catalogue to MacOS. Apple have publicly stated they would not do so - probably because there's no walled garden when working with others. The Game Porting Toolkit was a perfect example of Apple's strategy. Apple does not want consumers using it to play games because that means running games for other platforms rather than having games written using Apple technologies. The only other hope is to run Linux (SteamOS) on Apple hardware. This is something Apple would never support as it's competition to MacOS. The Asahi Linux project, despite being developed by a hand-full of people manually reverse engineering Apple's hardware and writing custom drivers - already runs AAA better than MacOS does. If they can do it from scratch without any schematics/documentation, that means Apple is choosing to nerf their hardware with their software. So at the end of the day; - Developers won't write games for MacOS because there's no money in it and it requires investing in a dedicated "Apple technologies" specialist team. - Apple stubbornly refuses to add support for cross-platform standards because they want to preserve their walled garden - Apple will not support the development of Linux for Apple Silicon

[@varframppytwobtokwanguz2286]

@@DavidAlsh Here’s what I don’t understand: you can make third party software for the Mac. I have plenty of programs I’ve just downloaded the .bin file for, either proprietary or open-source, which are also available for Windows. What is it about developing games (or a game platform) for Mac specifically that is different from these other cases?

[@inmQT]

​@@DavidAlshRE4 is available for both MacOS and Windows

[@DavidAlsh]

@@inmQT Apple exclusives that require substantial porting effort are expensive. Apple subsidized the development so it made sense for RE4. But you'll never see Fallout, Counter Strike, Rust, KCD, and many many others run on MacOS unless Apple decides it wants to play nice with others.

[@Kudammxknesebeck]

M5 comes out: Max: Stop !!! Dont buy any m4 Mac Right now 🤯

[@TechGameDev]

real.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition

[@tigeruppercut2000]

Intel has been dragging its slow moving corporate feet for decades now I’m so glad Apple ditch them. Their machines are insanely powerful now

[@shameermulji]

That's true but Intel is starting to come back to life, starting with Lunar Lake and then Panther Lake (arriving later this year)

[@eastcoastboardgamer]

I got a M1 air when they first came out. At that point I was using Samsung tablet, Samsung S series phone and kept my gaming laptop. I was so impressed with the M1 air I replaced it with a 16 inch Mac book pro M1 Pro. Still kept my Samsung tablet, Samsung phone, Samsung watch and windows laptop that I used in my man cave. Fast forward to now. I have a iPhone, Apple Watch, M1 Pro 16 inch laptop, m2 11 inch iPad Pro, m4 Mac mini for my man cave and my office picked me up a m4 Mac mini to use at work. I am super impressed with the M4.

[@MinebIox]

Why does this sound like an infection, it’s kinda scary in a way 😅

[@slurples149]

Capitalist consumerism final boss

[@eastcoastboardgamer]

@@MinebIox It does sound like an infection lol. But in the end it was a matter of all my devices talking to each other. The apple eco system is 2nd to none. Having everything in the same eco system has saved me hours of time.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple destroyed the competition and Changed your life

[@PeterRince]

Apple earns big bucks on services nowadays. I'm not surprised they make their hardware more affordable. This is the way.

[@Skibidi_Sigma_Edits]

I think next, Apple might want to start focusing on software. Making more apps compatible, and bringing some windows features. We already kinda saw this with macOS sequoia.

[@TechGameDev]

add boot camp and better gaming support

[@KicksonAcapulco13-no5rd]

@@TechGameDev BootCamp could be possible, but Windows for ARM is still more like a toy. Prism abstraction layer can't handle complicated apps - Windows is still heavy centered on x86 architecture. Even if Apple could bring BootCamp to macOS again, Windows for ARM is almost unusable (it’s OK as Operating System, but apps compatibility is in poor state; Prism x86 abstraction layer still can't handle something using MSSQL and so on).

[@77dris]

Please god no Windows features! I left Windows a few years back and never want to go back to that trash OS.

[@nazb1982]

Full emulation for windows software would make it perfect. Like Wine but actually developed by Apple

[@KicksonAcapulco13-no5rd]

@@nazb1982 It's not possible due to copyrights. That's why ReactOS for example never be full compatible. MS will sue anyone who, using backward engineering, will create Windows outside Windows. Plus it's not that simple, apps sometimes using deep Windows features (and Windows source code is not available for public).

[@jinraigami3349]

The only way that Apple can kill Windows is by making successful gaming devices with many games available. However, I believe gamers will switch to Linux for gaming instead of Apple before that can happen.

[@nthd08]

Agree!

[@lynxcs145]

yes it's not worth for developers to put up with all the shit apple requires them to do to preserve their safe ecosystem.

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

no. ppl will switch to apple cuz apple products are easier to use. linux is for nerds

[@WybremGaming]

why? pc gaming is and has been in decline for over 10 years now. every year there are less gpus and less cpus sold, less oem systems and gaming laptops. only during covid did it spike but it's back in decline now. That's why the new gpus get more expensive again, not because of greed but because there are less buyers than ever. Linux is a joke and has always been, nobody will use it. The Steam deck is copium nobody buys it outside of the pc gamers, it's slow af x86 garbage that needs a translation layer.

[@absolute_tk]

Definitely not with Linux

[@Matthanna90]

Just got the Mac mini m4 pro. Gonna have that baby for awhile! My M2 Max laptop is still killing it, ages so well. Shows that software updates and optimization is key for longevity

[@leandrodasilva2523]

Fastest desktop cpu, goes on comparing it with laptop cpus...

[@MrPromethium0157]

2:01 "This is a flawless masterpiece" Also this: Comes with 256GB base storage and no screws on the bottom

[@99999me1]

8GB of ram is not a good deal regardless of the price.. But $800 M2 macbook air with 16GB of ram is a really good deal. I hope they release a ultraportable macbook with 11 or 12" display.

[@mikaelholmstrom2513]

The only bad about Mac is gaming, but outside that apple products is beautiful and a workhorse compared to others.

[@igottheshaft]

You would think that Apple would use their mountains of cash to make inroads into that market for the first time. Edit: Apple is worth $3.68 trillion, Valve (and the entire Steam platform) has a market cap of $84 billion. Just buy that Apple, and go from there. If Apple bought Valve, worked on integration, and financed every AAA title port for a few years, they'd be a major contender in gaming.

[@Petairelevrai]

It’s only bad if you care about games

[@iminacatsuit]

Literally the only reason i don’t have a mac

[@DavidAlsh]

​@@igottheshaft software engineer here, they deliberately choose not to support games via compatibility layers because they want to preserve their walled garden. They could actually roll out full Proton support on MacOS with only a few a months of development - but that would compromise their business objective of "dominating" the gaming world with MacOS exclusive titles that target their own APIs.

[@leonmadara3903]

and really expensive

[@user-hj2qi6rw3l]

new drinking game...do a shot every time he says 'Apple Silicon'.

[@Warped9]

Until now the new M series Macs were generally aimed at the users of Intel based Macs-thats who they were trying to get to upgrade. Anyone with an M1 or M2 had little reason to upgrade to M3. Those who already have M3 (as I have) already have a great machine so there is very little incentive to upgrade to M4 or M5. But someone with an M1 or M2 might go for an M4 or M5. With this is mind Apple’s strategy might be to not only stay ahead of the competition, but grow their market share by offering better performance value.

[@briguy991]

I agree. The M1 MacBook Air sold at Wal-Mart puts this performance value on display for price-conscious consumers, with refurbished M1 and M2 Macs offering an even larger “budget market” for these consumers.

[@DavidAlsh]

M1 MBP user here, I would love to get an M4 MBP and an M4 Mac mini - but I can't really do anything on my MBP other than web browsing and basic work (because walled garden) - so despite the incredible uplift in performance, it's kinda big for nothing.

[@MacinMindSoftware]

It took me 13 years to be compelled to upgrade from a 2009 CMP to a 2022 Mac Studio. But I could see an M4 Max Studio being worth it after just 3 years since it will be about 2x the CPU and GPU performance.

[@Rajputana.song.]

Magnetic Aura book by Takeshi Mizuki ain’t for everyone, it’s for people who actually want to get ahead.

[@Louphotos]

I been a windows user and android user almost all my life. I picked up a 2018 iPad Pro 11 inch to edit photos on Lightroom and I was truly blown away on how good it handled the rock camera files. So after they came out with the M1 iPad Pro and how much faster it was I decided to pick up The larger ram option M1, Mac mini and I’ve been using it to this day. Now it only has 16 gigs of ram and it still does somewhat decent with Photoshop and Lightroom. I am branching out from just doing a photography business, I am now starting to do 4K ending and offer wedding videos and some events that clients want recorded. I need newer PC and I’m debating on the new M4 Mac mini Pro, but I might hold off and see how the new M4 mac Studios performs. I would like to have the option with the more ports that come with the studio over the Mac mini. But I still plan on keeping the M1 Mac mini and just run my printing business through it. But I never would’ve thought these Mac mini‘s with the newer M1 M2 M3 chips would ever perform as good as they do without having a huge graphics card like Windows PCs do. I still can’t bring myself to switching over to an iPhone. I need that back button on my Samsung smart phone. I don’t like to swipe gestures to go back I like a dedicated back button lol

[@jeffwong1310]

of course if you have M4, you won't be interested in M5, but the user of last generation Intel Mac and even M1 Mac will start to look into their refreshment cycle.

[@paulmoreira6110]

Hey Max Tech, Apple has great hardware but it needs better features, compatibility and options with software. If they can get significant gaming compatibility especially with online multiplayer and adjust some of the quirks with how the software works and in some cases doesn’t it could have a winner. Apple needs to listen to reviews and customers about the software issues. Also the upgrades need to cost about half of what they do to get more people to buy upgraded versions.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition

[@JohnSmith762A11B]

M4 is great but everyone wants to run open LLMs locally. That works even on the base M4 Mac mini, but larger and smarter models take more RAM. Furtunately macOS is so good at running LLMs (using apps like LM Studio and Backyard AI) because it's much simpler than on PC and you don't need to worry about the difference between main RAM and GPU RAM, macOS takes care of that for you. I don't know why Max Tech doesn't see this but the ease of running any of hundreds of open LLMs on Apple Silicon is the KILLER APP that separates Windows PCs and macOS today. I can't wait for the M4 Ultra with maxed out RAM to run the largest models that are soon going to require much more intference time compute. Going to be a match made in heaven! Go Apple Silicon for powerful local and private AI.

[@arthurdebacker4797]

The Mac is pretty much the only product that Apple has sorted out right now. All the other products they are struggling with massively

[@sigitpambudi3923]

What about server and workstation use cases? Apple M Series maybe cant even compete with newer Threadripper, Xeon, and Epyc

[@maxweinbach3996]

What about it? Apple has destroyed the competition

[@TechGameDev]

@@maxweinbach3996 impossible 128 coeurs 5TB ram ddr5 for the price maxed out Mac Pro macOS is not made for server you need windows server , true NAS , linux for this type workload

[@junedmomin2106]

Destroyed how exactly? M4 Max while costing $3500 is still slower than 9950X in multi core​s. No need to bring 7995WX or 9965 in the conversation@@maxweinbach3996

[@stevejohnson1321]

For those who can wait, the next mac studio might bring a better combination.

[@danielszimuly]

Haha, that’s my post saying goodbye. The Mac mini is great, except for a few minor inconveniences. But nothing compared to the hassle of hackintoshing when things went wrong.

[@firstdbzmaker]

I always love watching Vadim’s predictions. I agree with all your points! Wish i had the money to upgrade. I’m still on an Intel MacBook with Touch Bar and it struggles with multiple monitors.

[@RJN82]

Software engineers will always find a way to outpace hardware capabilities.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition

[@MBeano]

I think Apple will focus more on the "other" Macs in the next few years. With the recent "main" Macs like the mini and MacBooks getting great upgrades and at a point where there will be less upgrades, this means the other Apple products which have only received minor upgrades may be a focus. These products may be more of the secondary computing systems within a household - secondary computers like an iMac, Apple TV, the rumored HomePod, even Vision products, and maybe redesigned iPads. For people who aren't upgrading their main computer, that may give them a reason to purchase products that aren't their main drivers.

[@peter_da_crypto7887]

Apple only needs to catch up with GPU power…

[@ChaoticPianist]

Well, if you install the correct drivers, Apple’s very nearly on par By drivers I mean ARM Java for Minecraft for example

[@DavidAlsh]

Their GPUs are actually really good, you just can't do anything with them because walled garden

[@madbadger85]

I’ve just ordered a Mac mini m4 pro I chose the fastest chip, 48 gig ram 1TB storage and 10gigabit Ethernet with apple support yearly. Works out £2300 that’s £100 more than I paid for my 2014 i5 5k 27inch iMac back in 2014!! yes I have to buy a decent screen but I have a 24 inch dell screen to put me on until I choose a 4k screen. I use photoshop and premiere so this should last me a good 10 years like my old mac which I have a buyer for @ £300!!!!

[@jxn784]

because of Arc B580, the $600 pc market has shifted. and now it kinda has competition. obviously the m4 cpu and gpu are much better, but in some cases, an Arc you and Ryzen cpu will make a better fit. At least gaming, but it soon will change. Ps: I know m4 is still a better deal, and i love it more, but it’s good we have at least some completion now from Pc world, it will push apple further.

[@TechGameDev]

Are you talking nonsense, source? M4 gpu more powerful intel arc B580 it's funny that one. the m4 is more powerful CPU ok

[@maxweinbach3996]

​@@TechGameDevApple has destroyed the competition

[@user-jv4cb4tf7i]

It may be a niche community but there are so many engineering apps (Vivado, Quartus, etc) that exclusively run on x86 and don’t seem like they will ever be ported to ARM so I think unfortunately x86 will never die

[@GoldenNada]

If iPadOS wasn’t so limiting you could argue the iPad Pro and magic keyboard is a better 2in1 than the surface pro 11 and type cover.

[@jimtipton8888]

Interesting. I have a Surface Pro sitting in a box in a closet and use an iPad Pro all day long for both personal and work needs. It does 90% of what my MacBook does, and very rarely do I feel limited.

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

ipad is already better than surface pro. surface pro is trash even an ipad 1st generation would be better than a surface

[@alikhaled2389]

I never liked those 2 in 1 devices, especially the surface. It’s a worse laptop than most laptops and a worse tablet than most tablets so you get some weird ass hybrid that’s not good at being a laptop or a tablet.

[@GoldenNada]

@ it’s really minor stuff like multiple audio sources, can’t steam Spotify and run KZbin at the same time or if you use KZbin in a web browser and you minimize it the video stops. Really that’s the only issues I have, if they add macOS app support that would probably solve a lot of reviewers issues they have with iPad OS feeling limiting.

[@GoldenNada]

@alikhaled2389 that's kinda of what I was getting at an iPad pro is still an iPad which is a tablet first and not a device meant to replace your laptop. I just find it odd that the iPad with the magic keyboard is better at being a laptop than a surface pro as I feel the set up is just better ergonomic wise.

[@davey3765]

I want Apple to make their own RaspberyPi equivalent with these (or smaller versions) of the M chips.

[@Aerospace_Education]

Going to want to see real benchmark numbers for those claims. I have a hard time believing that the M5 is going to be competitive with a NVIDIA 5090. If it is, that will be a game changer. Also, IF that happens. Apple needs to start getting into gaming cause that is the only reason a lot of people would not move to a more expensive Mac with more storage and memory.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

M4 Ultra will be competitive with the NVIDA RTX 5090. Coming between March and June.

[@TechGameDev]

lol 😂😂 company that invented the GPU which has specialized for 30 years with several billion euros is beaten by a rotten mac yes it will have a better geekbench score but otherwise in the real world test it will be destroyed by an rtx 3090 it's not good to tell bullshit MAXTECH even if you like apple

[@louislafontaine5984]

I have tested the Apple Vision Pro in an Apple Store recently. It rocks! Way beyond my expectations. If Apple can produce a more affordable version and make it the best gaming device out there, I think they can gain market shares by attracting PC gamers.

[@imagenatura]

Everything you said about the M4 Macs is also true about the M1 generation.

[@peterwarren5412]

Hard agree here - got my first MacBook - an Air M3 late last year and I am pretty blown away by what this can do with no fan and still staying cool and quiet. I am sorted for the next few years I would say!

[@rogerkant3696]

Lack of good gaming on the Apple platform means that it remains a business platform. The cost of memory and storage plus processor upgrades is a constant burden on mainstreaming with the platform.

[@eplugplay8409]

M4 pro is amazing loving my 14” m4 pro MacBook Pro. Finally upgraded from the 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro.

[@gmichia]

Actually it’s not for everything. They killed egpu, which is vital for ai work. Also come at a price of losing bootcamp.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition

[@trialcritic7625]

I got an M1 max when it first came out with 64 GB RAM and 2 TB. This was before all the local LLM models came out. I can do all my AI work with the LLMs downloaded on it even now. I am glad that I got the RAM, otherwise I would have trouble with the new LLM models. I have no need to upgrade my laptop for another 2 years at least!

[@lgude]

Got the M4 pro Mini- amazing computer. I do photo editing and some video editing.

[@lihtan]

The spec and performance may be a really good value, but Apple also has a history of making their products difficult to repair, and crippling devices with bad software updates.

[@regis_red]

I just need GPU rendering with Metal in Blender to be as good as CUDA or OptiX.

[@Nathan-nl9ov]

I just had a new patient in my mental hospital. Chanting Apple beats Windows day and night.

[@maxweinbach3996]

Was it one of the max tech guys?

[@koolkutz7]

I am looking to switch from Windows based PC to MAC soon. Not sure whether to buy the M4 PRO Mac Mini or wait to se what the Mac studio has to offer. I do 4K video editing, RAW photo editing & some music production so I will need some good CPU/GPU power.

[@stefan_becker]

I did the switch from Windows to Mac in December (Mac Mini M4Pro 2TB SSD, 48GBs, "biggest" CPU) = 3000€. I almost do only photo editing and programming with it. That machine is crazy fast!

[@TechGameDev]

the only downside is the price and you lose all flexibility and upgradeability

[@stefan_becker]

@@TechGameDev I can upgrade ssd size by adding more ssds, if I want to. Thunderbolt 4 SSDs read/write 3.5 Gb per second(!). But yes, ram size is fixed. But did I upgrade ram of any of my pcs in the last 20 years? Nope. I always bought the right size.

[@mrxmgs3768]

I have been using an M-series macbook and it is really good, however, I find MacOS really frustrating to use, so many little things that all together drive me insane. I wish it was possible to run something like GNOME or Plasma instead.

[@michaozga7825]

Gamers will avoid it unless they do bootcamp with windows even this arm one. Anticheat might support it soon

[@Chicagomademe85]

Max I agree brother. I just got the 16” M4 Pro MacBook Pro 💻 base model. And it will last me 6-8 years! This thing is phenomenal! Best CPU I ever owned. Upgraded from a 13” MacBook Pro i5 Intel 2019. I’m truly blown away. 🤯

[@TechGameDev]

CPU too powerful not useful

[@murtazachaudhary3339]

Nice video

[@Supreme176]

I’m still using my 2019 16inch 😅

[@TechGameDev]

still a good machine as long as you don't have a macbook air intel it works fine

[@douglasfrederick127]

New designs on their laptops. New displays. No notch. Touch MacBooks. Foldable Mac’s

[@Gruftgrabbler]

I dont want to have a Touch MacBook actually

[@ErnestTechlab]

A touch MacBook is basically an iPad with a magic keyboard case. Macs already fold when you close them. I don’t get why we might need mew designs. I agree with the notch.

[@bboywolf]

they just need to release the iPad M5 ProMAX that runs both iOS and macOS

[@Space97.]

Fr 😂

[@Space97.]

​@ErnestTechlabthat's what people want though macos on a iPad and if Apple still refuses then just put a touch screen on the MacBook but no apple rather you buy both devices if you want the touch insted of one they are out of touch and greedy af 😅

[@alexde2392]

As always, such kind of information appears just shortly before important announcements- like a news snapdragon X. 😃

[@andersolsen1478]

To me it does not really matter if the graphics are amazing or if the SOC performs so much better than PCs. What really matters to me is that I can run my software and games. Here unfortunately Apple still has some catching up. I have an old work laptop from around 2015. The CPU is a core m3, which is really low spec. No dedicated graphics. I have upgraded with extra ram and a SSD and I can still use this for my work which is filling out excel and words document, write e-mails and browse the internet. Most computers have reached a level which is beyond what most people need, which is why Microsoft wants us to change to Win11 but I will just change to Linux Ubuntu and open source software 😊and continue to use my old equipment.

[@GaryGroves]

The new AI software will still require more power

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition

[@reginaldbowls7180]

Running local llms is why I want the new m4 ultra.

[@etcot8220]

Apple has become pretty much a no brainer for sound design/beat making.

[@hansmichel9693]

Open cl and Metal cant be compared on geekbench Benchmarks

[@miabchdave]

The team that made Geekbench says almost exactly the opposite, though, AFAIK. They said that they designed the Metal test so it's the comparable numerical result as OpenCL on PCs.

[@TechGameDev]

real

[@mattki-y9y]

Apple silicon x3000

[@jonas8266]

It's crazy to think this year marks half a decade since the M1.

[@kevinbeardslee7587]

Any game devs running Unreal on Apple Silicon? Hoping the new Ultra can, but I’ll still have a gaming PC 😢

[@maxweinbach3996]

Apple has destroyed the competition

[@rickkarrer8370]

"this is a flawless masterpiece"...except the Wi-Fi issues, possible Bluetooth issues, horribly overprice memory and storage, awkward power button, buggy OS, and lack of USB-A (ok, that one depends on your preference). Don't get me wrong, it's pretty great overall, but it's not flawless

[@meh2285]

In its totality, the graphics processor in the M4 Pro Mac Mini is notably less powerful than the RTX 4060.

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

I want windows to come to Mac, then games to be ported over to ARM, or just make sure game anti cheat is good enough without the kernel level

[@TechGameDev]

boot camp is possible now with windows arm iso but apple don't give the driver "the BIOS" to make it working on microsoft side

[@hasantemel7193]

I want a 15 inch MacBook Pro, PLEASEEEE, 16 is too big imo...

[@ephemere82]

lol i hear a lot of hype but the graphs dont show me these crazy improvements. it's newer, has more cores, works better, but ssd size and upgrade costs are a bad joke. macbook pro imho are the best working machines on mobility, but a lot of software don't run on mac so you'll need a windows machine anyway. i have a macbook pro m1 pro, i had to buy a windows laptop for work. so...not impressed

[@mejlgaardbliddal]

I thought that I might need more memory in my next Mac, but after having purchased iState Menus. I realised that I did not need that with my current workflow. I will thus wait a least another generation before considering buying a Mac mini, as my 16 inch M1 Pro will be more that fast enough for my use on the go.

[@blinblinthing]

I agree. The price points are seemingly unbeatable, good news for us customers that want the best for our money.

[@dmb3428]

in the business world intel-amd rule, no business is going to buy macs mainly due to price and lack of software compatibility ...lots of proprietary software for specific industries that only run on those processors ...macs are still a niche market

[@jeanjasinczuk7543]

I am very skeptical about ARM PCs being 50% of the market by 2029. They are way too many business softwares that will never be ported for ARM. The compatibility and performance of the x86 and x64 emulation would need to be as good, or better than a native processor. I own an x-elite PC, love it, but it is only a secondary for fun machine.

[@TechGameDev]

arm exist since 1985 but he can't replace X64 it is becoming more and more efficient but really quickly

[@IdrisShenaee]

Got Macbook m4 pro best choice ever

[@kevin-e5h5t]

It is the Laptop that made Apple. They perfected small form factor before it existed. Intel/AMD/nVidia/Qualcom/ARM pay attention.

[@DavidAlsh]

I love my MacBook Pro's hardware but I struggle to do anything other than web browsing and basic work on it. It's so frustrating that Apple nerf such incredible hardware by deliberately avoiding the adoption of open standards in MacOS. If MacOS is intended for video editors and web browsing, I wish they would support Linux on Mac for power users, developers and gamers (or at the very least offer GPU acceleration within Linux VMs). Because of this, despite the unbelievable raw performance of my M1 MBP, I am forced to carry around a second computer to do my actual work (and play) while my MBP is just a thin client. I would LOVE to buy an M4 MBP but, given I can't do anything on it and it's just a thin client, it's literally no better than my M1 for me. For the love of god Apple, let me install Linux on this thing and I'll only ever buy Apple hardware

[@ErisedMediaCo]

As much as apple silicon had been impressive, it pisses me off how incompatible they still are software wise. I know it’s niche but it bothers me I can’t use Epic Games’ Unreal Engine for virtual production and many other pieces of software and games for the same reason.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

You guys should try and get a hold of the new System76 ARM desktop computer, which ships with an Ampere Altera processor, and is effectively a Mac Pro killer.

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

theres no such thing as a mac killer

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Said it about decade ago that RISC based Arm is the future in servers and possibly in personal computing and nobody agreed, some laughed... who's laughing now?😉RISC based computing on Arm and RISC-V will continue to grow while x86 will stay more as golden standard to ensure best possible compatibility and legacy support. x86 is being used more and more as business critical platform and in tandem with the GPGPUs for AI or high FP precision computing. Apple is certainly leading the pack and innovating the industry as expected with Qualcomm (ex Apple Nuvia) behind it, while Nvidia with AMD and probably with Mediatek r "cooking" something as well. In servers Arm Neoverse high performance cores r delivering as well with Ampere in lead which now strengthen its muscles in join effort with Qualcomm, however that competition for the enterprise piece of cake won't be given up easily by Intel and AMD. Still future is bright for the RISC computing for Arm and RISC-V which influence will only grow.

[@OkYaar.]

Imagine a single company whose head-to-head fighting with the Laptop, Tablet, Smartwatch & Smartphone industry simultaneously. 👑

[@TechGameDev]

? we don't care

[@rohitnigam83]

My friend what’s wrong with you. We all know that all companies including Apple throttle down performance after few years. Or say they make the software so heavy that need more computing power. Bottom line. However fast your phone or Mac is now won’t be after 2 to 3 years. Otherwise companies will go in loss

[@mcdjchandler]

I have a 2011 iMac running Monterey as good or better than the OSX 10.7.5 Lion it came with.

[@ansaarustado77]

Bro can you make reviews of your 4-year old m1 max MacBook pro

[@TechGameDev]

he doesn't have a macbook pro M1 max but a mac studio M1 max

[@Kudammxknesebeck]

Still rocking the M1 Air. I will Upgrade when the new redesigned Air is Coming. Hopefully with an OLED Display.

[@TechGameDev]

I think that will have an OLED MBA before very long, the MacBook Pro will be very soon

[@evans-uu5wm]

How could a M1 MacBook be a bargain in 2025 with less than 2 years support for MacOS?

[@TechGameDev]

buying it now is not worth the cost but I think it will have a longer update time unlike Intel it will work very well under Sequoia like new

[@kittycloudz813]

Non repairable by the consumer, locked ecosystem…batteries and ssd’s depreciate. Framework style is the future imo

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

no framework isnt. they arent even unibody laptops. unrepairable devices are the future

[@kittycloudz813]

@ why would u push for that wasteful big tech philosophy, strange take.

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

@@kittycloudz813 its the truth. also framework laptops arent unibody and non unibody laptops in 2024 are terrible. also a locked ecosystem is actually better

[@kittycloudz813]

@ ok they got u..👍

[@brianburton7716]

I love KZbinrs who think average computer users upgrade every year. LOL. I can't get friends and family to upgrade seven year old computers. "What's Apple gonna do to convince people with M4s to buy M5s" ROFLOL, talk about a youtube influencer out of touch question.

[@Emvkazama]

I left Microsoft because I couldn't make chrome my default browser. They keep changing my settings and when I remove copilot it was enabled again. So I bought a Mac pro instead for my DJ and business. I. Not impressed for every one out there saying apple is a masterpiece they are so wrong. My Mac overheated and the battery didn't last as they advertised. It's an overpriced laptop but the Mac still lets me do what I want with some applications.

[@elingrome5853]

with the rise of AI and cloud - will anyone need this power?

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

You think you have seen all the things. Just wait until Asahi Linux starts to support eGPU on TB5 M4 Pro.

[@jazzlehazzle]

Yep. If Apple can get going w local LLM, Co-painting, Metaverse autogen & AI audio/video production, it's goodbye.

[@nedywest71]

Not correct about Intel. Intel got a Second gen Core Ultra chips and going forward with this design (same as Apple M chips). It will catch up Apple sooner that you think.

[@franzpleurmann2585]

Intel already reported that Lunar Lake with it's integrated memory was a expensive one-off.

[@PKperformanceEU]

it will never catch up to intel so stop simping little x96 fanboy that underpowered 258v idles at 0.70w and my M4pro idles between 0.02-0.05w. My M4pro smokes that trash 30w 258v at just 9watts. X86 is trash tier ARM64 is THE KING!

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

nope. intel chips are fire starters. seeing as they get more powerful, theyll become less efficient where intel recalls processos that get so hot they burn ppls laps and melt the bottom of laptops and set the place on fire all cuz of an inefficient x86

[@nedywest71]

@@franzpleurmann2585 How could it be ONE off if there is a second gen just released? Or you are not aware of that and only read old headline? The first Laptop with second gen SOC are already in reviewers hands and first reviews are out. Second gen. Intel SOC is on par with M3 what the reviewers report.

[@franzpleurmann2585]

@nedywest71 Stop drinking Intels Marketing Kool-Aid. The only architecture which share similarities with Apple Silicons Unified Memory is Lunar Lakes integrated Memory. The first Core Ultras (Meteor Lake) are using a classical memory approach and the power effiency is not comparable to Lunar Lake let alone Apple Silicon.

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

At this point soon you mightly be able to install Windows 11 ARM ISO on Apple Silicon computers.

[@TechGameDev]

but apple does not give the operation of apple silicon mac to microsoft and do not want boot camp but it is possible

[@mohamedfayed8013]

Apple upgrade prices does not make any sense . +$200 for +8 gb ram +$200 for +256 gb of storage means that it priced the M4 chip and motherboard and powersupply for $0 dollars in the base model . 1000 gb ssd is a $50 16 gb ram is $50

[@bboywolf]

the fact that the base is 16gb 524gb at ~500 dollars makes up for that imo

[@TechGameDev]

in 2015 or ssd nvme was very expensive the price is justified but today it costs nothing plus it is not so fast 3000mb is the minimum in 2025 the price has not moved

[@MarleyTravels]

My 16 inch M1 Max MB Pro is still my go to machine as well. I MIGHT upgrade when the M5 comes out.

[@kingstar999k]

don’t read the book Magnetic Aura by Takeshi Mizuki if you’re fine staying like everyone else, it’s not for you.

[@SarimAshrafi]

I built a $2000 Intel PC in 2023. And now Intel chip is having all kind of issues. I purchased MacBook Air M3 just to try a Mac in 2024 and I'm amazed how good this machine is. I love Windows. But the hardware on Windows side is horrible!

[@TechGameDev]

yes windows is a big shit microsoft the only thing we ask Microsoft to do is to make Windows stable with privacy, no that's not the case macOS, the best operating system in clean stability

[@ansaarustado77]

But we still gonna buy a newwer Windows laptop no matter which processor

[@smidgeondutchrabbit]

you like bad tech. if you want t like good tech, you have to want and get a mac

[@oren_katz]

Should I wait for 17 Pro Max if I have a smaller 14 Pro 2 years old with 85% battery health? Is it worth it over upgrading to the 16 Pro Max?

[@alikhaled2389]

I have a 14PM I’m skipping this gen. Get a 17 or 18PM, don’t wait more than that, and don’t upgrade now, the perfect year will be the 17 or 18 at most. Especially since AI is half baked with the 16 series, 17 will be what the 16 should’ve been.

[@oren_katz]

@ Ok, thanks! Are you leaning more towards upgrading to the 17 pro max or to the 18 pro max if so btw? Thanks.

[@77dris]

I just upgraded from a 6s to the 13 and even then I didn't notice a huge difference. To me a 14 pro would last me until they no longer support the OS.

[@oren_katz]

@ ok, thanks! But due to battery life issues and scrolling stuttering issues to, then, upgrade to the 17 pro max if so?

[@MalcolmREBORN]

Resist, keep your current iPhone 14 Pro. Just 8 more months... It'll fly by. You'll be so pleased with yourself.

[@paulliddement]

Apple is still terrible at gaming and I only own Apple products. Windows still have 90% of the gaming computer market.

[@parichaydeo6036]

Storage and ram is the issues relative to the price😂

[@stefan_becker]

RAM Yes. For storage there is a great solution with external Thunderbolt 4 SSDs. Zike Drives for example read/write about 3.5 Gb/sec. Did you run out of disk space? Get another one! I put them into a laptop stand side by side next to my Mac. RAM is expensive, but 32 Gb should be sufficient for almost anything. From my point of view: 1000W power supply? 15kg for a PC? Water cooling in 2025? Win 11 taking screenshots of my screen every 5 seconds? 😂

[@TechGameDev]

@@stefan_becker Watercooling is cool but shitty Windows is not wrong

[@stefan_becker]

@@TechGameDev Watercooling is a sign of inefficient technology.

[@wemelkuan]

Face ID will get me to get a new MacBook Pro

[@TheFredFred33]

Hi my friend ! Very existing by M4x series and I wait the M4 Ultra and perhaps Extreme ! Happy new year to you and family ❤ Fred the Frenchy PS: waiting again a photography of M4x dies to analyse that

[@sn-xc7rv]

M4 extreme will give 5090 level performance if it ever releases 😂

[@TechGameDev]

​@@sn-xc7rv lol it would be good to beat an rtx 3090 first but M2 ultra is equivalent to rtx 3050 same M4 max , rtx 5090 it is a total monster in power NVIDIA it is they who invented GPU acceleration it masters this field especially since it is a specialized company with several billion euros apple will never be able to beat especially because of the SOC it is a reason that the GPU and CPU are separate for more die space and merging several dies does not increase the power it's nonsense maybe the rtx 3060 power

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Happy New Year Fred!! Super excited for the M4 Ultra!

[@TheFredFred33]

@ thank you Vadim 👍😘