Snapdragon X Elite vs M3 Pro MBP - How is THIS Possible?!

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Note: The X Elite should be getting a GPU driver update soon, so get subscribed and get ready for more testing! Surface Laptop 7 with X Elite chip ($1400) ➡ geni.us/LtjLsad 14" MacBook Pro with M3 Pro ($1700 Sale) ➡ geni.us/GJYD

[@inamulbhuyan]

Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤

[@xiyangyang1974]

Windows always needs driver updates 😂

[@user-91291]

@@xiyangyang1974Macs also get driver updates with their OS updates

[@ricarmig]

Drivers drivers drivers it’s all this chip needs and what more people need to buy laptops based on it. On Apple, there was no other choice but here there are Intel and AMD competitive processors so it’s better Qualcomm and Microsoft to hurry up and release decent drivers

[@litazo6574]

again another clown video ' were we wrong' as always . how about take some weeks to test instead of 'were we wrong' as always

[@kjellbeats]

conclusion: everybody wins because competition is always a great thing

[@kingyogesh441]

Qualcomm is competitor to amd

[@sholmes_ttyy]

Whenever apple wins, apple wins.Whenever apple loses and other company wins, Everyone wins 🤣 These apple fanboys

[@fmax3000]

@@sholmes_ttyyYou’re watching the history channel or Animal planet?! M3 8GB has beaten this junk in many aspects, the 16 should do more and still cheaper. The M3 Pro, the binned version has smoked it in every aspect. Not winning, smoking when it’s 3-6 times faster, quieter with better battery and efficiency. The GPU on the elite is a joke. SW compatibility and miserable Prism is a joke. Imagine the unbinned M3 Pro, lol. Or the Max. And the M4 is on the doors with much better graphics and Neural Engine! Advice: Watch the video again and again to grasp the facts. But this was highly expected.

[@lesleyhaan116]

@@sholmes_ttyywhiteout Apple and the ex Apple engineers that started Nuvia Qualcomm would be nowhere without Nuvia there would be no X-Elite or should I say nuvia oryon with a different name

[@kjellbeats]

@@sholmes_ttyy you're getting this wrong, I'm actually an android and windows user lol. also i don't really feel like windows won here, it just caught up to apple in the arm space.

[@davosworks]

But this is not MBP competitor, Surface Laptop Studio is macbook pro competitor. This Surface is Macbook Air competitor

[@xfghffhfg]

but they don't have it yet and rush to make videos

[@JohnCross-rz5uq]

And the Surface have that lovely tapered design that Mac abandoned !

[@scod3908]

A base spec M3 air is cheaper, has passive cooling, has fewer cores, the list goes on The only reason MS and others compare to an Air chassis M3 is because it's the only way to make their X-Elite SoC's look good

[@xfghffhfg]

@@scod3908 Base M3 Air comes with half the SSD and RAM. If you add the 400$ upgrades it will be a little more expensive.

[@scod3908]

@@xfghffhfg it's an Air. It's for web browsing and office documents. 8GB doesn't give much headroom but 16GB is overkill for a fan-less passively cooled device. The M4 will be base 12GB from what we've seen with the M4 in iPad The Surface sits between the Air and the Pro models. It's overbuilt for browsing/documents but doesn't hold up to the GPU tasks required for professional use That explains why MS have priced it in between the two and switched to base 16GB (previous to this release they were on par with macbooks $/GB between the two models)

[@sydguitar99]

for a $600 diff, you would hope the MBP would destroy the Surface

[@potsbaker]

600 isn’t that much considering Apple Tax

[@scb2scb2]

@@potsbaker Indeed apple users know they pay more but you also see in many small or big ways its better. How much $ for each feature is very personal. The user base really doesn't overlap much no apple user would spring to windows if its little worse in value and not many windows users would jump anymore if anything these new arm machines windows machines are more than good enough to keep many/most people on windows.

[@fmax3000]

It’s 1700 discounted so the difference is 300, and it did smoke it in every area 3-6 times faster with less fan noise and better battery, unless you were watching another channel!!!

[@Techno_Rama]

its is $300 diff on Amazon right now. so seems like a reasonable deal to me unless want windows

[@jessea3165]

​@@fmax3000 yes, but the xelite isn't a direct competitor to the MacBook Pro. That's like like comparing a Nvidia rtx 4090 to the graphics iand rtx 4090 a 24 core thread rippe to a m3. The x1e-84 is the direct competitor to the 10 core Macbook Air. People get confused, because the xelite has 12 cores and this is a fundamental misunderstanding on how CPu's function. Every Manufacture uses different Cores, more cores doesn't mean more performance unless you are comparing cores within the same architecture. The Google Chromebook has 14 cores, and no sane person thinks for a second that a chromebook competes with the M3 pro just because it has 14 cores. I'm a video editor and I wouldn't by a xelie laptop, but I also wouldn't buy a Macbook air or macbook pro base model. because neither are powerful enough to handle the demands of professional video editing.this is just such a bizarre comparison. but outside of a professional creative environment. either a xelite or m3 air is more than enough for most people. though, none come close to a macbooks build quality.

[@NMCloud355]

Are we going to ignore the fact that the 14 inch MBP has a 69.6 watt hour battery whereas the surface has 54 watt hour battery so efficiency isnt actually that much better on the MBP 14

[@mozzinator]

This!! He never stated the Huge Difference between Battery Sizes as well. and you adjust for the Battery Size Difference Xelite Efficiency is not that Far off

[@yuyhero]

no offense but when iPhone wins or slight lose the battery life test against Android phones with much larger batteries, did you jump out and say that iPhone has a smaller battery and better efficiency

[@swapneelbehera260]

Maybe so but still there shouldn't be that big of a gap in graphics Qualcomm needs to up their igpu by least 3x .

[@SPECTRA890]

They chose to put a smaller battery and say UT compares to macbook. That's their choice

[@mrbigberd]

Who cares? These aren’t in the same price or performance range to begin with.

[@willy7968]

Nice comparison. The Davinci Resolve you used for Windows is a beta version. I wish I can get the footage to know how it will perform on my custom gaming PC

[@MoChuang343]

Yeah I feel like fully optimized is a bit of an exaggeration

[@akin242002]

But with those GPU scores, it wouldn't beat M3 Pro Macbook Pro anyway. At best, it would be slightly better scores.

[@willy7968]

@@akin242002 not when the software has been optimized

[@NeWinThowai-oi3uv]

It's a bullshit he spew out. Davinci resolve that he's using is Free and Beta version. Only studio version has GPU support. This version is not using GPU at all. And the developers need to work on optimizing it. ​@@MoChuang343

[@TheosTechTips]

@@willy7968 It was like 4x faster! It wouldn't beat the m3 pro anyways. Plus, it's better then the emulation one.

[@SuperMachead1]

I’m going to cut the surface some slack especially in blender and da Vinci…because things will get better for them from software updates….but by that time the m4 macs will be out and xelite will be behind again….i think it’s time to stop comparing them to apple because most people are one side or the other….but let’s compare the xelite to other windows laptops….they might not get the battery life….but I think most people just keep laptops plugged in most of the time…and see if a $750 windows laptop can beat or match these elitex …in other words are you getting anything for twice the price…except more battery ?

[@antaholics]

weight and mobility are also a really important factor to consider if you're comparing to full power laptops

[@SuperMachead1]

@@antaholics these will never be full power laptops….these are ultra books …if you want to do serious 3d work or 8k video editing or gaming…..these aren’t the laptops for that 🤓

[@willmannering]

Nah fam, performance and battery life matter more to me than the OS. For many of us all that matters is that our professional applications work best with great battery life, whichever laptop does that is the one I buy, and currently that obviously means mac. I'd prefer to use Windows but performance and efficiency are more important to me.

[@scod3908]

@@antaholics ~0.5lb / ~230g weight difference is negligible, especially when you consider the larger battery capacity!

[@churchofmarcus]

I don't have any loyalties when it comes to laptop brands. I like the way the Surface feels to use. I also like MacBooks, but they don't have touch screens. The Snapdragon Surface is almost perfect, but it would actually be perfect if I could get a touchscreen MacBook instead. But I can't, so I got the thing that checked the most boxes.

[@alyessamaddox7022]

This honestly tracks pretty well with what I expected. What Qualcomm did is very impressive, but this is a first gen chip going up against a very mature and refined design, and Snapdragon chips have never quite managed to match Apple's silicon. That's not to say the X Elite isn't incredible! It's just up against very stiff competition.

[@jasonrhtx]

X Elite is an impressive first gen SoC for ARM Windows. Looks like Qualcomm's acquisition of NUVIA is producing fruit--juicy oranges vs Apples? QC's GPUs underwhelm, so I wonder whether QC might partner with NVIDIA, integrating their excellent GPU ecosystem, or hire a plenty from Apple's GPU and NPU teams...?

[@mileswurster2035]

This seems like a better comparison based on the processed cores (since the Snapdragon doesn’t have any efficiency cores).

[@josephle2381]

Surface is a mba competitor😭🤦‍♂️

[@scod3908]

@@josephle2381 BS, it's more expensive, has more cores, has active cooling, but you only want to punch down because comparing to the MBPro with similar specs makes the flagship X-Elite look mediocre?

[@Trickey2413]

@@scod3908 the macbook is 600 usd more, a similarly priced macbook can not compete sadly.

[@MatthewDuplissis]

weird how with macbooks, the cut down chip is referred to as binned... with CPUs and GPUs, being binned usually means it is a superior, fully enabled version.

[@SintaxBSD]

it is weird he is saying binned at all lol

[@Scrivlings]

Everything in the apple world is the superior version. They removed cores to make it superior at using less power. They're very good at the doublespeak over there.

[@ALmaN11223344]

No, not exactly. Binned down is a term that has been consistently used, it refers to the process of binning in general which is primarily used to get useful products out of silicon with defects. Binning up only became a thing in recent years, with i7 3000 it was all bin downs from their HEDT stuff down to the lowly i3s but now they bin specific 13900s as able to clock 100-200MHz higher and call them 13900ks instead. That used to be referred to as the silicon lottery.

[@scod3908]

A "bin" is usually a storage tub, not a "rubbish bin"; "binned" just refers to a unit which has been sorted into a certain bin/tub based on specs It seems to be used to specify a chip is different from the standard version (ie, it has been sorted or "binned" separately to the standard product) ie, "binned" is not necessarily synonymous with "better" or "worse", more-so "different"

[@RackaApps]

nice to see that you finally used the Figma desktop app on Windows and not the browser like you did in the previous video. You can clearly see that there's a noticeable difference in the performance compared to the previous video

[@Leroez09]

I will say it will take time for Davinci to truly be optimized for the new spapdragon chips. I have an M1 MacBook Pro and I remember when they first optimized it and I was like wow this is pretty good and then like a year later they released a new update claiming they optimized it even more and that it was now 3x faster, and guess what….. it actually was a lot faster when it came to exports, I had a video, I made for my school, that was over an hour long and originally it took about 50 minutes to export, after the update it did it in 25 minutes. So I am hopeful that something similar might happen with these knew chips

[@scod3908]

Maybe in 1yr time they will have fixed most of the launch issues, by which time you'll be comparing it to the M4 SoC?

[@Renverse64]

lol that chart at 8:57

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Unfortunately this was an Export glitch that happened. We've been having some issues with some of our plugins. I swear thats not what it looked like when we finished the project 😳

[@Controversial_But_True]

​@@MaxTechOfficialA double check is appreciated as you are influencing thousands of people regarding a relatively new kind of machine (I know there have been some arm based laptops before). As they say, first impressions are the last impressions

[@kielvostro]

@@Controversial_But_True You didn't understand his comment.

[@yewo.m]

16:50 as well

[@Pasi123]

@@kielvostro He should have double checked by watching the final video before uploading it

[@churchofmarcus]

Looks like Qualcomm needs to work on the GPU for the next generation.

[@rayenhmissi1181]

Gould use tests that run natively for both laptops and don't use a test that is unsupported for x elite

[@demetriouspough5484]

"It is not a powerhouse for creatives", Well said Max. That's not what the Surface Laptop 7th Edition is for at all. It's made for your normal everyday tasks, like the MacBok Air. It will be very interesting to see if Qualcomm releases chips to match the M Pro and M Max.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

That’s exactly the point we made

[@thebeanstalker631]

So you need to pay 1400 for everyday task?

[@demetriouspough5484]

@@thebeanstalker631 Well what do you think people are using the MacBook Air for? The MacBook Air is in place for the same tasks, and if you match the specs it costs even more than the Surface Laptop 7th Edition.

[@asamird]

the snapdragon is doing it so well, its nice how the ARM starts to grow on windows too, now i want to se the M4 kicking and the windows ARM using Nvidia/radeon graphics

[@heyemji]

How about do another round, turn off touch screen on the surface, as well as keep them both at 60hz stable. I wanted to see if there is a significant improvement on the Surface.

[@Ipeacocks]

Blender is not native test (in emulation on Windows, right?). So it eats more battery then native code on mac. Probably batter to use some native test for battery life only.

[@christianr.5868]

Blender for windows arm is still in beta, so is Davinci currently. And the X Elite does have hardware accelerated ray tracing

[@scod3908]

Are they likely to get any of those issues sorted before the M4 MBPro range is released in a few months?

[@christianr.5868]

@@scod3908 probably, but if you prefer apple, I’d wait for the m4. I just want the surface pro because it’s a 2 in 1

[@scod3908]

@@christianr.5868 yeah, Apple iPad should be on the full Mac OS with the M4 chip to better compete as a 2-in-1 We're just hoping Apple moves past it's greed and offers 16GB base to compete (prior to this release MS Surface was 8GB base) I'm currently waiting for either M4 or heavily discounted 16/18GB M3

[@scottwilson4078]

Appreciate the unbiased comparison! Comparing comparable specs, Apple's Me Pro surpasses the Snapdragon X Elite. The MacBook Pro is, however, more expensive than the Surface Laptop 7. I have never been an "extreme performance" consumer. When a computer is fast/responsive enough for casual tasks, I prioritize efficient performance per watt. Windows on ARM might be catching up, but Apple holds a significant lead. Competition serves consumers of both platforms.

[@parkay8616]

Hi, can you please compare the X Elite to the Surface Pro 9 or Laptop 5 just to compare the Surface to the previous Intel counterparts which would be more comparable. 🙏🙏

[@AhmedSh-nc6lj]

Well, the hardware has become almost equal, and the competition has become in software and optimization 🕊️

[@Noname12........641]

Linux is going to smoke the Mac's on this laptops

[@JohnCross-rz5uq]

There are SO many excellent software you cannot get for MacOS ! I bought a MacBook Air M1 16GB, I am so very disappointed with the lack of software to MacOS !!! The first, the last and the ONLY time I ever bougt a Mac, never, never, never a Mac again !!!

[@tkklein]

@@JohnCross-rz5uq why did you buy it in the first place lol then get a PC

[@AhmedSh-nc6lj]

@@JohnCross-rz5uq Well u have Surface 7 now almost as powerful as an M2 Max

[@JohnCross-rz5uq]

@@AhmedSh-nc6lj I had two PC´s and still have !!! I had hoped the MacOS wa better than the rumors, but it sucks, so does the lack of good softwre for MacOS !

[@rodpark442]

To me its fantastic to compete like this, but I am sure the profit goals for each company (just like phones) are very different. I am sure other companies are scrambling to compete with Apples M chips and will sacrifice a lot of profit to get its foot in the door. And good on them. Apple needs to take one step back from profit collecting

[@AdityaKumar2128]

Conclusion : GPUs in these X Elite Chips is pretty slow compared to Macs

[@Kyt2024]

@ehtasam2080why? This device isn’t targeted at a user who needs more than basic gpu processing. There is a reason the surface and these snapdragon machines are mostly aligned with the M3 MacBook Air .

[@Jabid21]

@@Kyt2024 the M3 Air is $1099 before discounts. Snapdragon PCs are priced more than that. They need to be lower to be competitive.

[@Kyt2024]

@GarrusVakarian-to2uh most people who buy a MacBook Air don’t need it for those things. Most people are doing basic computing which is what I was alluding to. Media consumption, internet browsing, productivity. These machines will do those 3 things very very well and don’t require you to change operating systems. Even light renders and photo editing would be fine

[@Kyt2024]

@@Jabid21 no one should buy the base MacBook Air, so disagree somewhat.

[@Theo-co4em]

@@Kyt2024 But that also means, x elite is useless af bcuz x plus would be better for office (and better than m3). Why u need a faster chip for office? That‘s why this comparison between x Elite and m3 pro valueable

[@M16-bf4ku]

Microsoft played other manufacturers.... While the surface comes with recommended power mode, which is powerful and battery efficient, windows 11 nerfed the other laptops like the galaxy book 4 edge... hope they fix that

[@sagardatta2199]

Electronics are really cheap in the US...Macbook pro M3 pro only cost 1700$...In India it cost around 2400$...By the way love to watch your videos(GREAT CONTENT❣)

[@ahaimes6320]

Indian import duties and taxes plus exchange rates. No rip-off, just India's government choices.

[@rtx_____]

u dont have to buy the latest and get ripped off

[@xAnonymousComedia]

@@ahaimes6320 Those Macbooks are probably made in India to begin with

[@ahaimes6320]

@@xAnonymousComedia A year ago, Apple did not intend to make Macbook Pros in India (Google).

[@M16-bf4ku]

@@xAnonymousComedianope they re not... all macbooks are made in china

[@yujilee112]

x elite should at very least has better gpu , but nope. even 8 gen 3 has better gpu than them , what a failure.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

It's brand new the driver takes time to mature

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

In tests the X Elite have a bit stronger results, but the GPU exactly the same like the SD8G3 had, maybe they added one extra core or just increased the base clock frequency, so the result a bit better in X Elite, but it's the same GPU.

[@SergioWolf843]

In seeing Qualcomm only increased the power of the GPU and beat Apple, the TBDR Architecture that Apple inherited from the partnership with IMG remains the most efficient, now they have the RTX along with TBDR, an overwhelming design and at the same time efficient, the performance per Watt of Apple’s GPU is Higher, the impression I have is that Apple is about 2/3 years ahead of the competition.

[@millfi]

X Elite GPU have the worst feature and software stack, even if you put performance aside. There is no Vulkan support, the DX12 feature level is minimal, and the profiler has been coming soon for several years.

[@vandenhengel978]

Is the Windows hello face recognition as safe as Face ID, or is it just a flat, very unsafe recognition that most PC notebooks offer?

[@Clericalex]

Hey max I was planning to buy m3 pro chip mac but should I wait for m4 pro mac?? Plz ans 😊

[@a89gaming26]

I think you should wait, its just a couple of months aways

[@T10107]

@@a89gaming26Agreed. Just wait. The MacBook will probably release October at the latest.

[@ahaimes6320]

The M4 is a massive upgrade over the M3 so I would suggest waiting. It will truly make the X-Elite laptops look like £300 Chromebooks!

[@151mcx]

lol, I was going to wait for M4, and I might buy one on M4, depending on how it stacks up... but I'm maybe going to wait for Qualcomm because I love windows.

[@scod3908]

Either wait for the superior M4 chip as it will be a bigger leap than the M2 to M3 Or buy an M3 spec when they get heavily discounted after the M4 release

[@DemetruisMiller]

Saying that 1699 from 1999 is a killer value is crazy😂

[@jeffster1070]

Super interesting. I have to wonder how much the OS affects these score? And battery life? Obviously display and sound is better on the Mac. It's good to see these two compete though.

[@noamh_p2373]

There is still a lot of work on Microsoft's part to optimize for arm

[@SH-ir7ji]

what performance setting was set on the Surface?

[@pfortunato78]

Wondering the same thing. Also, I'm curious if the 3D gaming tests for both would be better if they were plugged in.

[@auviance222]

I'm happy for this new ARM Windows laptop era. They seem great. That being said, no matter the price, no matter the benchmarks, I would never ever use Windows for work. Still use my Windows desktop for games and stable diffusion, but I don't see myself achieving a similarly smooth and enjoyable workflow outside of the Apple ecosystem. For now.

[@CristianCYAC]

I mean, do you check if the BIOS undervolting the Pc? Also do you activate High Performance Mode? And prefer best performance options? Just to be fair.

[@lenn55]

They still have a long ways to go with regards to GPU and WIndoz support. But a good first go for Qualcomm.

[@fredericmanson441]

Good compare video. But the Apple has already optimised drivers AND apps. Whereas the Elite X is brand new. Windows has still a small part of x86 code running in it, apps are not tuned to work on an Elite cpu, for now. It will be interresting to see the same video but in an year, the time that apps are tuned to the best to work on an ARM Windows machine. But, yup, the MBP M3 is a beast!!!

[@lukemorrison]

Apple mentions running 4 HD cameras and reencoding a video senario . Can any of the PC's do that? I'd like to see you do some comparisons of this while backing up the video for each camera and the encoded feed to attached SSDs. This would be a good comparison also.

[@ddnguyen278]

Weird right in 'benchmarks' they are nearly neck in neck but in real world applications like blender they fall off the cliff. As if they made sure the benchmarks were competitive, maybe they optimized for them wouldn't be the first time companies did that.

[@Raajyyyy]

Bro this is first Gen 💀 this is the killer bro

[@erivaldo1784]

Yeah man, looks like people don't know for first generation Qualcomn did a Good job.

[@Troll_Master_911]

First gen? What are you smoking, kiddo? They have been doing that SQ ARM sh** way before M-Series and still cannot make a better SOC. Such a shame. Lol 😂😊

[@aldoinfanzon]

@@Troll_Master_911even worse they had to steal sorry hired ex Apple employees that worked on the m chips

[@Troll_Master_911]

@@aldoinfanzon fr lol 😆

[@kielvostro]

It's not first gen. Qualcomm bought Nuvia which founded by ex-Apple engineers who engineered the Apple Silicon. You can read the articles.

[@BossAtwork69]

Its seems our boy finally got a decent hair cut. I can die peacefully now

[@kristianivanov36]

The fact that Qualcomm needs 12 Performance cores to beat apple's 5 in multi core is amazing xd xd xd

[@fallinginthed33p]

The great thing about the Snapdragon X Elite or even Plus is that it's available in a bunch of form factors, from regular laptops to 2-in-1s to tablets. With the M3, you're stuck with a MacBook laptop. The iPad doesn't count because it's severely limited by iPadOS.

[@xperiafan5370]

It's not fully optimised. It's still in beta. Isn't it?!

[@xperiafan5370]

@@goobfilmcast4239 Sure! But not in all areas as there are areas where optimisation is inevitable, irrespective of architecture. So they shouldn't go about spreading misinformation about optimisation which isn't there yet.

[@jean-francoistuyau3311]

20:22 Blackmagic does state that minimum requirement for 4k is XElite + 32GB. All reviews I've seen till now are testing davinci on 16GB laptop. Might explain why the GPU is maxing out. I am still waiting someone to test davinci on a 32GB to see if it makes a real difference.

[@Sacto1654]

I think Windows apps have to be specifically written for the X Elite SoC's hardware registers to really get decent performance.

[@Spectranox]

That goes both ways, the Surfaces and the MacBooks both used to use Intel x86 CPUs and both Windows and macOS had to be updated to support ARM CPUs. Therefore this shows that for now Apple is better at doing ARM than Microsoft and Qualcomm, but who's surprised considering Apple's 4+ years of experience on that front? Any app for any platform needs to be shipped for ARM to support ARM, macOS just appears to do it better because developers have had much more time to port their apps. Give it a couple years and we may see serious competition from the not-Apple side.

[@carlosk8103]

Kinda it's true that would give it best performance. but other reviewers have said the performance penalty for non native apps is quite low compared to in the past for these new chips. Only 10-15% on average..

[@srmtravelstories]

21:13 You should have disabled energy saver on windows laptop before starting benchmark testing. Now it makes doubt about all the previous numbers.

[@drev487]

Why no arm blender build which is available even in beta?

[@Akarsh1305]

I’m a current MBP 14 M1 Pro user, have to say Surface book is really impressive, if it can get the Dev support that MacBook has received, it can become an option for me in the future

[@MLWJ1993]

I kinda like the surface speaker system slightly more. The Macbook M3 Pro is so bassy that it's muddy sounding & drowns out the vocals (at least in this recording) making me prefer the slightly tinny sounding Surface.

[@JBravo69]

IRL MB pro speakers are amazing. You should do a real life comparison in a store

[@thebuddercweeper]

There's nothing muddy about the 14" MacBook Pro's speakers in person.

[@imopn]

I do like that the surface have a upgradable ssd. And I do like that that the Snapdragon SOC includes wifi7 and av1 encode and decode. Really hoped the M4 would finally get the same.

[@ashishpatel350]

the mac has a bigger battery which is why it last longer not because it is that much more efficient. ....winner is the surface for mostly all of the benchmarks.

[@ahmedrao7951]

But mac's display has higher resolution

[@DoctorDisel]

Gpu perfomance is much highier on m3

[@yotu9670]

Repeat when there is GPU support and optimizated versions for blender and davinci

[@raguel259]

We wanted an Apple silicon competitor, got a slightly better Intel with too many compatibility issues and at a Macbook price tag. I really hope the next gen X Elite is something amazing, otherwise it's going to sink.

[@habibal-faraj8586]

Remember the late 90s when AMD and Cyrix presented cpus with specs that appear- at first glance- to be competing with high-end Pentium IIs? They were considerably cheap than intel PIIs, but they were actually at the level of low end celeron or even pentium MMX. That is exactly the situation we are seeing here: Specs that appear to be on par or higher than M3 Pro, while their target is M3.

[@DaveMcIroy]

Why do you say the Mac costs 16,99 on Amazon?

[@Nick_Lavigne]

hopefully you also set the "power mode" and now just the "Power Plan" in win 11 one doesn't alter the other.

[@jvillaro]

I would really like to see if people are using the correct power profiles on these X elite machines. And at least we can look forward on them getting better with updates. Prism should/HAS to improve... Anyway it's MS dropping the ball on both cases. And yet I still want one

[@RonnieRockafella]

Hopefully, the X-Elite Gen 2 has way better graphics performance. I think that's X-Elite's biggest weakness and everything else is good enough for most people.

[@eltamarindo]

Microsoft would have bogged down that 512GB pretty fast, if the public hadn't given them pushback about their datamining spyware.

[@DaveDFX]

Apps are not fully optimized yet for Snapdragon so it’s hard to compare things like Resolve. Also it’s supposed to be a MacBook Air competitor

[@sebbbi2]

M3 Max 14” is even more impressive. 1.6x big CPU cores, 2.85x GPU cores over this M3 Pro. In the same small 14” package. It runs at 100% clock rates on battery. No laptop in this size class gets anywhere close on battery.

[@NachiketVartak]

Ah, but there a factor you miss. Windows is progressively being riddled with things you cannot turn off…like Copilot

[@SintaxBSD]

...but you can turn copilot off lol

[@TheosTechTips]

You can turn off copilot. It's actually opt-in now instead of opt-out. That being said, it won't last forever!

[@IhleDog]

The early adopters want faster graphics (a selling point for windows) and long battery. Only the latter was achieved but there's also the additional headache of compatibility issues that will plague gen 1. Alas, the smart play is to wait for next generation Ryzen (or even Intel) chips that have good enough battery and much better graphics.

[@jaydanielstech]

Would love to see the base M3 Air vs the base Surface Laptop. 🙏 and thanks! 😊

[@Kaiser0109]

A litte bit more money?? Man the Macbook is 50% more expensive!

[@ahaimes6320]

Great deals on Amazon at the moment meaning in the US the MB Pro M3 Pro is only $300 more expensive, which is about 17%, not close to 50%!

[@Kaiser0109]

@@ahaimes6320 only for us, in Germany Apple products are much more expensive than in us

[@davidhenderson6255]

Camera is cleaner and more detailed on Mac, sound is very close, but a little tinnier on the Surface.

[@jasonrhtx]

Qualcomm's ARM processor is the biggest CPU step-change for Windows laptops/portables in many years. Moving from x86 to customized, ARM-based processors is how Apple M procs' power/performance ratio leapfrogged x86 CPUs from Intel and AMD. Laptop/portable device users generally prioritize battery life (with pretty good performance), screen quality, and quiet/cool temps over ultra-high performance laptops, with some exceptions, and the Surface Laptop 7 is an excellent first foray into ARM laptops for Windows for the masses. QC's 2nd and 3rd generation ARM CPUs (successors) should further refine power/performance, the GPU/NPU, and hopefully address heat issues and provide better support and drivers. Caveats: Future QC ARM CPUs and motherboards should benefit Linux users, but not with the Surface Laptop 7, which only has UEFI and not ACPI, so device discovery will be a pain in Linux, since Windows PC manufacturers choose wildly varying hardware components that won't be supported. Many printer/scanner and other device drivers are missing/not available from their manufacturers, but generic Windows drivers for these will hopefully take care of basic functionality. Also, most apps will have to run in x86 emulation mode (much slower), while their developers gradually port/recompile their apps from x86 to Qualcomm's ARM-based procs. It will be interesting to hear about the long-term durability/build quality of the Surface Laptop 7. Also, check out Alex Ziskind's review.

[@juangil384]

You didn’t check the power mode on the surface.

[@PradiptaGitaya]

ARM should be already fast out of the box, so no need to do such thing

[@juangil384]

@@PradiptaGitaya disagree. Its been shown that windows power profile does impact cpu performance in these benchmarks

[@filehazir5176]

Well, Blender is a graphics intensive program and should only shine when the native version is released

[@Ilestun]

Nice to see windows laptops being performance and price competitive. With the steak deck, the support for ARM is better and better for gamers also. Still using my old surface 7 pro, seems like next gen of snapdragon SoCs i'll do a meaningfull upgrade.

[@tiemji]

Thanks for this review. The Snapdragon series is great but still needs some more effort

[@AlexanderLindo]

Despite greater differences in price, this a much fairer comparison than your Surface Laptop 7 vs M3 MacBook Air. As expected, the M3 Pro MacBook Pro is superior to the Surface Laptop 7 in most cases however it is great to see that Microsoft has finally built a "proper" premium laptop that Windows fans can be proud of. You summed it up perfectly when you acknowledged that the M3 Pro MacBook Pro is superior for creative work: video editing, photo editing, graphics editing etc. The Surface Laptop 7 is more suited for secretarial work. 🤘🏼

[@garywood659]

So - can you tell us how many ACTUAL WORKING hours we can get out of each machine please not just the percentage of battery life left. Thanking you in advance GW

[@fuzailkhan5287]

5:57 i am watching on ipad pro m1 11 inch Lcd display and can’t notice any difference .

[@vasay4897]

Please! Compare the performance of the new neural noise reduction in Lightroom! It is calculated locally (not in the cloud) on the RTX 3060m, one photo from the Sony a7 III takes approximately 15 seconds. It’s very interesting how it works on Snapdragon - is it bad because of the weak GPU or does the NPU help?

[@sacitizen1089]

Still new no one knows how co pilot is going to really work once fully implemented early days to rush and buy one.

[@DavidBraasch]

The bar chart for the M3 Pro Blender CPU test is incredibly misleading. It should be half as long as the Snapdragon.

[@Leo.501]

Max, it did not beat out M3 air, in many aspects even M3 air is better that the surface sorry to say but it is only your opinion that the surface have "betten" M3 air. Now it is clear that the pro will smoke the snappy dragons with windows 😂. Cheers!

[@Jkooltube]

Facts: The surface is 12 core and the Macbook 11 Core. The surface is 16Gb Ram and the Macbook 8Gb. Big difference configurations and the Mac is is almost better in the benchmarks.

[@salahuddinjokhio1]

Apple fan boys completely ignoring the fact that ARM + Windows revolution has just started, wait for Intel and AMD coming up with powerful ARM chips and software vendors designing their software for Windows on ARM, most software are just doing x86 emulation on ARM, so the slow speed and inefficiency comes in place.

[@Stormlywing]

That would end badly think if amd and intel made a Full PC using their own parts only they will has problems with that because i guess Intel and amd never built one PC that only theirs own parts CPU - Yes Motherboard - No GPU - Yes APU - Yes PSU - No Apple will win that part of their war ( M3 with APU ) and parts that all theirs own ( Intel mac failed because of one thing - ( Lack of support for intel CPU because they not the owners of their own hardware even made them run really slow like Intel wants them to fail

[@salahuddinjokhio1]

@@Stormlywing never said Intel AMD will make full PCs, only ARM chips, microprocessor. ARM architecture is not owned by Apple, it's ARM proprietary

[@PerfectPilot]

Why did the surface laptop take the aluminum shell MagSafe and the overall form 💀

[@Matt-ob3ek]

Not sure why you would run the tests unplugged as its common knowledge on the surface you wont get best performance otherwise, did you adjust the power profiles also? It seemed not

[@scod3908]

ARM laptops are portable machines with 10+hrs battery life Unplugged performance is kind of the whole point of this device class

[@techzolute]

One thing I noticed: The mic on the Surface is better. The Macbook's has this whooshy background noise but the Surface filters it out, giving the clearer sound. Speaker-wise, its the Macbook on top.

[@yewo.m]

At 16:50 the graph does not look proportional at all

[@mindkorner]

why didn't you compare it with macbook of the same price, at least you can put M3 as a benchmark too

[@honey4xi]

How about upgradability of Snapdragon X Elite laptops by users? Not upgradable for M Mac laptops by users.

[@adolfinhofanzorelli]

The sound on the Surface is MUCH better! Clear, good base line while the Macbook sounds more muffled

[@John5lar]

One thing make macs a little bit unusable for my work - excel without power query and power pivot.((

[@leakyabstraction]

Would be curious to see how does an Ultra 7 or 9 would compare

[@joptech5308]

What about a pure math/science test? This was almost only graphics tests.

[@regalblack1503]

8:54 editing error

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Unfortunately this was an Export glitch that happened. We've been having some issues with some of our plugins.

[@myusrn]

why do reviewers keep saying usb-4 does not cover thunderbolt scenarios? the usb-4 implementation is supposed to be intel's open source version of thunderbolt with v4 speed improvements.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

It doesn’t support all Thunderbolt 3 features, like daisy chaining.

[@MrBrettmpollard]

Next test please!!!🙏🏼 install parallels on the M3 Mac Pro and run it against the Surface.

[@myilmaz8492]

The mic on the Surface was amazing. Or you forgot to change the mics.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Those were the mics from each laptop. ill say its pretty impressive!

[@StrangerNoises]

i actually thought it would be closer; both with fans, the snapdragon still with all those p-cores

[@JoshFisher567]

You can get faster scores. You just have to run a command and then high performance mode shows up in the Control Panel. My guess is they just wanted you to think with the new settings. The issue is MS has no documentation on how these 2 settings play with each other +true for x86 also). The one in the control panel obviously is still needed. On the Samsung model, not sure the chip in it but saw another review and he tested every combo of power plans and geek bench scores ranged from bring 5000 point difference on multi-core, can't remember single core but it was significant depending on the combos used but he tested other MSr ARM laptops and no one combination got the same results . So different models did better with various combos. Very odd but it does show these things can be pushed faster. At the end of the day unless you use primarily a web browser and basic applications, it's idiotic to pay more for something where all your programs "should* just work. Emulation is impressive on both but isn't 100 percent. I've run into numerous issues with program architects errors with x86 apps. Honestly it was 50/50.

[@SergioWolf843]

The problem is that Apple has CPU accelerators specialized in different tasks, we have the Accelerators (AMX) for algebra and resolution of Arrays that would be expensive if they were run on the CPU, we have the (ANE) and the GPU, Apple has individual APIs and sets to use all the Hardware efficiently and everything is there on their developer site, it is easy and practical to implement.

[@JoshFisher567]

@@SergioWolf843 The other issue is the N1 came out in 2020, they on their 4th revision. I imagine the 4th generation Snapdragon will be better. It's also not fair to test this vs the M1 as it's 4 years old Emulation has really been 50/50 for me on MAC as of last year on the M3, at least for applications I use. THAT'S the real issue. If you just use a web browser it's also idiotic to spend this kind of money for either one when 200 to 500 dollars is enough depending on the display needed. If anything this is a proof of concept model for MS. Certainly better than ARM on Windows 8. That lasted about 6 months. It was horrendous

[@JoshFisher567]

Qualcomm is getting a lot of flack for Microsoft mistakes. Case In point, I just watched a review on the Samsung with the top tier chip. Out of the box Geekbench results 1725 single core 8988 multi-core Balanced power plan High performance power plan 2929 single core 15156 multi-core So, it beats out the N3 8 core model. MS has some weird issues with the power and. Different options on Samsung ms Surface. The surface was out of the box in high power mode. New power settings get set to auto when in. Samsung didn't have an option for high power mode out of the box either. Had to be forced. Speedometer score was 30.3 beating out the M3. Using prism with speedometer was 6. Something. My Pixel 8a got an 8.6 so my phone beats MS's PRISM so while applications may run, that's about 5 times slower than native arm64 version of Chrome

[@xperiafan5370]

What's the difference in battery size?

[@anthony8890]

MacBook battery is 72Wh vs Surface laptop 54Wh

[@xperiafan5370]

@@anthony8890 That means the surface is very efficient as well, and would probably last longer than the MBP if their battery sizes were to be matched.

[@anthony8890]

@@xperiafan5370 Exactly, that what I concluded from these tests too. It may have less battery left at the end, but it has less battery to start with! So…

[@xperiafan5370]

@@anthony8890 Yeah! Exactly! So the chips are very efficient; as efficient as promised by Qualcomm I'd say. And that's a good thing.

[@anthony8890]

@@xperiafan5370 I have been getting amazing battery life on my device!! Very happy with it.

[@JoshFisher567]

One of two games isn't a real gaming comparison IMO. You will get drastically different benchmark scores depending on the power plan combo. Out of the box, it still exists in Control Panel but out of the box only balanced is shown giving the illusion that it's the only option and it's not. If you run either a Power shell command or WSL command (saw it on another review) and after a reboot high performance mode showed up in Control Panel. The fun part is MS has ZERO documentation on how the new System menu options and the control panel setting play together. On the Samsung scores ranged from 1100 to 14900on geek bench I believe. I may be slightly off but great to know. MS just doesn't want any confusion or to document things so they hid it. He tested every combination. The main point is you can get better benchmark scores if you do this one simple thing. Obviously it comes at the cost of battery life. I hate DiskMark scores. You don't do a lot of large sequential read and rights unless you are transferring a lot of large files. Most files like Word Documents and other applications pretty much read and write at 4K block sizes and slightly higher clock sizes. Large files like video use 128MB block sizes if I'm not mistaken, which is the largest window does, or used to. Try transferring any data, say 4000 small files that equal a gigabyte and it's a completely different experience than large files. While these are okay for casual users the emulation, while impressive on both, is obviously not 100 percent. This will be a bigger problem for MS as more business applications are Windows. At the end of the day we are at least 5 years or more away from ARM having enough native applications on ARM to replace x86. Probably longer for MS as there are so many small niche software applications out there for small specialized markets and don't have the development time to port their software. They can only hope it works with Proton. My one experience with ARM was trying to create a bootable Windows USB drive on a MAC, think it had an M3. Windows install utility didn't work, neither did Rufus. After some research, at the time it was literally impossible to do so. Easy to create a bootable Ubuntu USB drive though. I just need things to work and to pay more for a "possibility" everything will just work is a hard pass for me personally for some impressive extra battery life. Battery life means nothing when you spend forever troubleshooting stuff for hours that would have taken 1 hour tops if everything just. works. I will say they knocked it out of the park , especially compared to their last attempt. Windows 8 on ARM did exist but only for maybe 6 months and was DOA.

[@vedantdesai1]

What M3 Pro are you even using? The lower bin one can easily crack 14000 and the top binned one goes above 15000. Either you have some ton of crap playing in the background, or you have lost the silicon lottery