Maybe Stick to Bombers? | Heinkel He 112

[@watcherzero5256]

Seemed to suffer an awfully large number of landing accidents despite the observation that it was easier to land than the BF109.

[@bigblue6917]

Somewhat ironic when you remember that the narrower landing gear of the 109 always caused problems.

[@timbrake3404]

Sure was good looking.

[@ricktaylor3748]

Beautiful plane.

[@americanpatriot2422]

Outstanding video

[@stephenhigginson5061]

Great video, but to short. Would like to hear more on the he 112 please........

[@rogerpennel1798]

It suffered from an underpowered engine and political machinations. With a different engine, it could have been a contender. However, it wasn't as economical to produce as the 109.

[@garydownes2111]

To be honest even with a DB600 performance was disappointing, it was a heavy and relatively draggy aircraft

[@MangoTroubles-007]

The Japs and Romanians liked it

[@DaveSCameron]

Und ze Germanic piloten…😂

[@isidroramos1073]

For whatever is worth, Spanish pilots liked the He112 and considered it better than the Bf109 B, C and D they knew. Better enough for Franco to buy them directly from Heinkel, in fact. They started to arrive in November 1938, too late to see much action, achieving just one victory during the war, over a Polikarpov I-15 (in the postwar they added another one, a P38 Lightning shot down in 1943 over North Africa). In Spanish hands it suffered a high number of landing accidents, but that could be due to most pilots being used only to biplanes.

[@garydownes2111]

Thanks, very interesting video. I’m aware of claims that the he-112 was potentially superior to the 109 or could have been a long range escort during the BoB. It’s all nonsense really, the he-112 was always heavier with more drag than a 109 and would always have been out outperformed even with a DB-601. the projected speeds and speeds of light unequipped prototypes did not reflect loaded production aircraft and any range advantage from the 109 was because it had a lower capacity engine, with the same engine that would have disappeared. The he-112 would have been eaten alive by hurricanes and especially spitfires let alone later fighters. The he-112 was also slow, expensive & difficult to make so not ideal for a rapidly rearming Luftwaffe. also its wing platform only superficially resembled a spitfire in plan as in aerofoil thickness it was far thicker and had far more drag. the characteristic heinkel elliptical wing from the he70 had become outdated and was abandoned for he-100 & He-177 or adapted for the he-111.

[@bigblue6917]

Watching this video the only advantage I could see was the the landing gear arrangement was more stable on the He-112 than that of the Me-109. Apart from that the 109 was the better choice.

[@300guy]

Just looking at it you can see the far too heavy and complicated wing planform. Especially being powered by the Jumo 210 and DB 600. It looks like it had very good visibility though.

[@Allen46u5k]

thought this was about the Heinkel He 112,?

[@TheGamerZapocalypse]

Looks like a German version of the Spitfire...like something the Allies made @11:08...what are those vehicles?

[@PlaneEncyclopediaYT]

Pavesi P4, Italian heavy artillery tractors

[@garydownes2111]

the resemblance is very superficial to the spitfire due to the elliptical wing platform but actually has a far thicker & less aerodynamic wing. for the vehicles they are open top artillery towing vehicles from Spanish civil war I think or may just to French army 1930s maneuvers

[@bigblue6917]

I thought the same at first but looking much thicker.

[@DaveSCameron]

I’m blaming Erhardt Milch and his dewsbury derivation for sabotaging the process, this is my unalterable belief! 😂😂😂

[@josslevy4240]

You need to omit the music

[@darkomalesevic6928]

Heinkel will later have a new figher he-100 with had better performanse that bf-109 but was only produced in small numbers. It was not economical to have two types of fighter in production

[@bigblue6917]

I can see where you're coming from here but I think you may have forgotten the FW-190. Having said that the He-100 was faster, 420 MPH for the He-100 D-1 compared to the 405 MPH for the FW-190 A-8, but Heinkel didn't have Kurt Tank on their side. Also the He-100 would have been available in 1939 which would have meant it would have be faster than anything the UK had at that time and would have made a big difference the Battle of Britain. As someone said to err is human. To f*ck it up big time takes NAZIs

[@budwyzer77]

@@bigblue6917 The He 100 would have failed as a fighter. It wasn't nearly durable enough for combat.

[@Earnwulf99]

They stopped with He 100 because they couldn't get DB601s and the government wanted one fighter to focus production of said engines. The FW 190 went with the BMW 801 because that reason even though Kurt Tank wanted a DB601

[@garydownes2111]

@@bigblue6917 I’m not an expert on the he100 but while the D-1 has an enlarged ventral radiator did it still have some evaporation cooling? if it did that was an issue as it never reliably functioned and would rule out long flights such as escort of bombers. heinkel was also famous for inflating expected versus actual performance figures so I doubt very much an armed equipped D-1 was doing 420mph in practice.

[@timonsolus]

@@garydownes2111 : No, the He 100D-1 had entirely conventional cooling - no surface evaporation at all. Despite the belly radiator, it had far better performance than the Bf 109E-4 with the same engine. Top speed with guns and ammunition was 640 kph (397 mph). This is comparable to the Soviet MiG-1, which had a more powerful engine, but was heavier. The He 100D-0 with surface evaporation cooling would have been ideal for use as a high speed unarmed reconnaissance aircraft, like the PR (photo recon) version of the Spitfire. Since a reconnaissance aircraft's job is to take photographs and avoid combat, the vulnerability of the surface evaporation cooling system to battle damage would not have been an issue.

[@alhemicaribastovani9029]

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[@melburns5894]

Heinkel made only 1 good bomber - He111. Meanwhile their first jet plane was flying - He176. You could build 3 Me109s for every 2 spitfires. Economy and quality are different.

[@teodor9975]

In all technical aspects the He 112 was superior than the 109. Issue was build time and politics was the downfall

[@garydownes2111]

the 109 was faster, could climb & dive faster and was more agile and maneuverable at most speeds. The aerodynamics on the 112 weren’t great with its relatively think wing and is was far heavier than a 109. the seemingly high relative performance of the he-112b versus 109b are due to low weight unrepresentative heinkel prototype data being applied and ignoring power differences in jumo 210 subtypes used. equipped Romanian he-112s struggled to make 270mph so inferior to all production 109s in speed and overall were sluggish. That’s part of the reason the he-112 was rejected by many potential export customers. I think people in error tend to conflate the 112 to the 100 and ignore that massive redesign of the entire aircraft was made between the initial prototypes and later he-112b type which was more contemporary to the 109E in terms of timing. even a prototype with a DB600 couldn’t carry fuselage armament while being slower than a 109e production aircraft. so in all technical respects the he-112 was inferior to the 109. And I’m no 109 fanboy, I much prefer the fw-190 tbh

[@teodor9975]

@@garydownes2111 i see.

[@lambastepirate]

Eric Brown the worlds most famous test pilot flew them both and said the 112 was a bit better than the 109 and all the German test pilots said the 112 was better! Georing or Milch did not like Heinkle is why it was not chosen!!

[@garydownes2111]

Hey I’ve seen James Holland say the Brown told him the 112 was better than the 109 & while im not doubting that happened I can’t find any specific detail or quote to read for context. the only detail I can find is that the 600 mile range was better but that’s a misunderstanding as that’s due to the small capacity engine, if a bigger DB engine was fitted that would go down significantly. also more importantly no German he-112 survived the war so as far as I can tell Brown never flew it so I’m guessing he was going off impressions given by Heinkel and Heinkel test pilots. Because RLM and active Luftwaffe pilots thought the 109 the better aircraft in comparative flights against the 112. I think the he-112 is a myth based on Heinkel sour grapes and limited/subjective information. the superficial resemblance of the 112 to the spitfire doesn’t help either. The He 112 was no lost escort fighter to help win the BoB, it was actually too conventional & too heavy, fairly lost to the 109 and even updated versions were in reality no better than early 109 versions. the updated 112b couldn’t take the heavier DB600/DB601 effectively and had no further development pathway where the 109E evolved into the F version.

[@georgeferguson7114]

The German Typhoon. What a wasted opportunity.

[@garydownes2111]

The German typhoon was the the Fw-190 in both terms of timing and in bringing a new untested engine into service. The he-112 was an overweight over rated aircraft that was neither nimble or fast when compared to 109 or spitfire

[@WarblesOnALot]

​@@garydownes2111 G'day, You're Almost Not wrong. The, "German Typhoon"..., Was the Bf/Me-108. The 4-seat Touring Cabin-monoplane with a low-wing, Retractable Undercarriage & an inverted 450-Hp V-8 Engine. It was literally called the TAIFUN. Which is German For "Typhoon". The Bf-108 A was Literally, A redesigned Taifun with only One Seat & a 750 Hp Motor. The British Typhoon was a Failed Replacement for the Hurricane, But it, too, was crippled as an Air-Superiority Fighter by Sidney Camm's Big fat thick Spar in their Undoubtedly very strong Wings. Down low, it was functional, as a Ground Attack Platform - but it needed someone else to fly Fighter Cover for their Weedsweeping operations. Just(ifiably ?) sayin', Such is life. Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

[@myplane150]

Imagine if a fighter could ignite a rocket engine in its tail for a 5 second burn in order to get out of trouble quickly. If the Germans could have developed a rocket engine which the pilot was able to iginte for 5 or 10 five second burns each time, that might have been a game changer for catching up to or running from trouble. Heck, even the smoke created from the blast could have blinded the pursuing pilot for a bit...🤐

[@garydownes2111]

Unfortunately the rocket fuel might melt the pilot or explode the aircraft so there’s that..

[@myplane150]

@@garydownes2111 There is that...😁

[@bigblue6917]

@@myplane150 I was about to say that no one wants their pilots melted then I remembered the Me-163.