Shocking Avianca Flight 052 Crash

Shocking Avianca Flight 052 Crash | Mayday Air Disaster

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@shyanngilmour 2 ай бұрын

This by far was the hardest episode to watch, I’ve never been so frustrated and terrified watching any of these

@NfidelNet Ай бұрын

I was on a flight once with unreal turbulence and mechanical failures. (I'm male) There was a younger woman traveling alone in the seat beside me. When things got wild, all the passengers were loud with oohs and ahhhs and some laughter like they were riding a roller coaster. When things got really scary, you could hear a pin drop. Everyone looked at each other and seemed to be prayerful. I was really nervous. I asked the noticeably scared woman in the seat next to me if she wanted to hold my hand. She smiled and said "no, I'll be okay". I replied "Can I hold your hand then?". We held hands until the emergency was over. I was embarrassed but we both were comforted. I don't care what anyone thinks 🙂

@firefly4f4 5 күн бұрын

Nor should you care. There's nothing wrong in asking for comfort or admitting to fear.

@zyzyx4157 18 сағат бұрын

@@NfidelNet that’s honestly heartwarming, in a situation like that I would any human’s hand just to know I wasn’t alone and we would make it through together.

@matthewjanz593 3 ай бұрын

yes go on blame the pilots instead of the head managers who forced the airport to remain open and recieve a dangerous number of planes

@thebarkingmouse 3 ай бұрын

They didn't ask for weather. They didn't properly declare a fuel emergency. They didn't communicate the urgency of their landing to the tower controllers and they didn't divert. There are sins on every side of this situation, but yeah, the lion's share goes to those pilots. If you don't have enough personal integrity to stand up and forcefully state what your situation is and then make decisions when you still have time to divert and you have no business being the pilot of even a general aviation aircraft much less commercial.

@turbofanlover 3 ай бұрын

The pilots clearly deserve SOME (not all, to be sure) of the blame. As has been said over and over in these investigations...accidents are the result of a combination of events/factors.

@maramba32 3 ай бұрын

@@thebarkingmouseyea everyone is at fault. Maybe they shouldnt be pilots but the airline blaming them alone is crazy. Money is on the line for these companies and they just roll with it. This is just a swiss cheese model situation

@VirginiaMorgan-vx7km 3 ай бұрын

@@turbofanloverI’m in

@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 3 ай бұрын

They had plenty of fuel when the they left. The continuing circling set their fate in motion. The pilots lack of aggressively telling them they need to land NOW, didn’t help. This crash never should have happened. The bosses wanting over 30 an hour in inclement weather started all the crap happening. I hope they paid dearly.

@scootermom1791 3 ай бұрын

This is absolutely THE worst, most frustrating air crash that should never have happened...bar none! Every time they were handed off to a new controller, I cringed and wanted the crew to tell "No! We are not going to hold! We're out of gas!" They at least should have called "Mayday!" That being said, what part of "we are running out of gas!" did controllers not understand??

@sharmilasoomair568 3 ай бұрын

They were trained differently in Colombia. All pilots should learn aviation English so something like this doesn't happen again. Mayday Mayday Mayday fuel emergency should have been said by the pilots.

@scootermom1791 3 ай бұрын

@@sharmilasoomair568 I agree! Although I honestly don't blame the pilots as much as the ATC. The controllers should have realized the dire situation the flight was in the second they said they were running out of gas and should not have kept placing them in a holding pattern.

@sharmilasoomair568 3 ай бұрын

@@scootermom1791 The pilots said that they were running out of fuel and to make them a priority. They never said Mayday Mayday we have an emergency so ATC couldn't tell that that something was wrong. If they had used the word EMERGENCY and tell them that they can't be put on hold anymore, only then,ATC would have given them clearance to land. Once something is wrong and the pilots need to land an airplane, they must say we have an emergency Mayday Mayday Mayday..

@jorgeaspera 3 ай бұрын

The fault lies with the boss higher up telling the controllers that they need to put those planes down no matter what, instead of just closing airspace and telling everyone to go to their alternate routes. The weather was nowhere near correct or good enough for planes, and the stress every pilot had to go through was lucky no more planes got into an accident and more loss of life. I bet one of those planes got damaged by not being able to see and not being able to do much, just pray and hope it's not your time or the people on that plane. But all this could have been avoided if not for the boss putting stress on the tower, then on the pilots and the crew that had to walk and get into an accident with the plane being unstable or the tower being more honest and telling them that the weather is bad, that the hold was at least an hour, and that most pilots that tried to land failed and had to go around. Like that, the captain has more options and not thinking that they were most likely good and most likely his boss for the company that he flies for gets some type of wright down for going to a alternate route specially main route was open and he had fuel so he would’ve been told. Why didn’t he wait? They all ways blame the bottom of the chain and then the top gets some type of talk but nothing like the person just trying to follow rules and protocol

@scootermom1791 3 ай бұрын

@@jorgeaspera there were a lot of factors involved that led up to this accident. The thing I don't like about the outcome of the investigation is that ATC AND the people in charge of ATC weren't held accountable for their actions either.

@ganzyjam2602 3 ай бұрын

I just can't imagine flying on fumes, when I'm in my car and I'm sucking vapour I lose my mind trying to get to the nearest gas station. This is a whole new level of fckn crazy.

@jorgeaspera 3 ай бұрын

@nexaentertainment2764 Ай бұрын

When the little gas light goes on, it scares me. Doesn't help that my cars tank/float is busted so the fuel dial doesn't indicate properly at low fuel.

@LoriM-ez3co Ай бұрын

when i was younger and less enriched I ran on fumes today I will not drive with less than a half tank.

@dennisyoung4631 6 күн бұрын

I know. I tended to be paranoid about fuel back when I still had a car, and tend to be *almost* as concerned about electric power when riding the bike (say, when paying bills during the beginning of the month). Only the ready access to public transport in the area makes me *less* worried compared to when I was driving. Longer trips, I plan around electrical outlets.

@grizzlycountry1030 3 ай бұрын

In July 1990, Avianca offered $75,000 to each crash survivor or the relatives of those killed. The U.S. government eventually joined Avianca and reached a settlement estimated at over $200 million in damages to the victims. The same summer, Avianca flights declared two notable fuel emergencies. The first happened in June, when a flight declared a "minimum fuel situation" and landed with only 10 minutes' worth of fuel left. The second happened in August, when Avianca Flight 020 declared it had "only 15 minutes of fuel left". Confusion arose as to what the pilot meant, but controllers declared an emergency pre-emptively and cleared the plane to land immediately. The flight was later found to have had over two hours' worth of fuel remaining.

@legitbeans9078 3 ай бұрын

That last story 😂

@nexaentertainment2764 Ай бұрын

Basically, Avianca's training was sub-standard?

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

Better safe than sorry. Better have an unnecessary emergency than a crash. Always play it safe.

@queeniesalvador8218 22 күн бұрын

life is more important than money. ATC should put in jail, for playing peoples life.

@ArtReason-k8e 3 ай бұрын

I read the pilot spoke poor English… and the copilot never used/said the word EMERGENCY, when the pilot asked him to inform and talk to the control tower

@WolfenMoony Ай бұрын

But the controlers can also ask "are you declaring an emergency" if they are told that the aircraft is low on fuel and needs priority if that the case, they can do that and declare it themselves too, but they didn't.

@ArtReason-k8e Ай бұрын

@@WolfenMoony I guess they expect for the PILOTS to express EMERGENCY. They were given a previous landing before the crash 🛬

@ArtReason-k8e Ай бұрын

That FIRST PRECIOUS opportunity to land, given by the control tower to Avianca, failed

@watcher3599 3 ай бұрын

The controllers could have asked the pilots if they are declaring an emergency just to be on the safe side. The controllers should have known that holding so many planes in so many holding patterns due to weather might cause a possible low fuel conditions on some of those planes. So it would be prudent to ask if they are declaring an emergency if the controller hears a pilot says they are running out of fuel.

@sassytbc7923 3 ай бұрын

The pilot could have declared an emergency as well.

@ArcaneSnowflake 3 ай бұрын

@sassytbc7923 he thought it had been declared. he didn't speak good English and as they explain in Columbia priority means 1st and they were saying they were running out. had air traffic just asked are you declaring an emergency the first officer may have realized the error in his aviation English and said yes

@sharmilasoomair568 3 ай бұрын

Running low on fuel doesn't sound like an emergency. Mayday mayday mayday we have a fuel emergency would get ATC to react differently.

@StarryStarryNocturne 3 ай бұрын

@@sassytbc7923 The point of the argument isn't to make the pilots blameless, it's to point out how ATC wasn't completely blameless in this scenario.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

@@ArcaneSnowflake He should have relied on his training and used the word "mayday". I know for a fact it was brought up many times during these pilots training.

@TeamDrif-Tastik 3 ай бұрын

I'm definitely with the crew on this one. But if you guys were to actually hear the flight voice recorder from the boxes retrieved. You would think that these Pilots are not even sweating their low fuel. They sound like it's a normal Sunday for them. They didn't sound like they were in an emergency at all when they were communicating with ATC

@AnonimatosTM 3 ай бұрын

Honestly I'm with the ATC in this one, he never declared an emergency, and asking "priority" is kind of meaningless, (also they kind of screwed up when they claimed engine failure, but at that point was too late anyway" . Sure in the episode they say that in Spanish Priority is comparable to emergency, but I would argue that a pilot that isn't fluent in English shouldn't be allowed to make International flights regardless. Try to understand that when your juggling dozens of aircrafts you can't dissect every single sentence to understand what they mean, you need clear communication. If a Mayday was declared, all attention would be one you but it never happened. In the end it was tragic for everyone involved but the crew definitely dropped the ball.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

@@AnonimatosTM Pilots are trained to use the word "mayday" if atc doesn't hear that word it isn't an emergency. If they said that one simple word they wouldn't have crashed, ATC deserves no blame.

@vitaliswarns Ай бұрын

ATC in the USA is below worldwide standards. And they know it.

@SavingSoulsMinistries 3 ай бұрын

how to avoid ATC communication breakdowns... MAYDAY MAYDAY we're coming in for an emergency landing !!!

@Lynn-zx3th 3 ай бұрын

How can they not find any fault with air controllers when they passed this plane off to 4-5 traffic controllers, but I didn’t hear 1 of them say they are low on fuel.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

The pilots never declared an emergency. The word "mayday" was never used so there was never an emergency. Low fuel could mean an hour left of fuel. Rules written in blood is why atc deserves no blame, they didn't do anything wrong, a mayday was never declared, there was no emergency. Watch any other fuel related crash.

@Wampa842 20 күн бұрын

74 Gear has a video titled "Emirates 777 Mayday Fuel" where he explains the difference between declaring "minimum fuel" and "mayday fuel". In short: mayday fuel is an emergency; minimum (or in this case, low) fuel is not. Minimum fuel means that the aircraft is running low, but it's only an indicator to ATC and how they handle it is at their discretion. A flight may be given a shorter or straight in approach, or be allowed to cut in line. Declaring a mayday fuel means that the aircraft will land with less than 30 minutes of fuel remaining, and requires immediate landing. It is given maximum priority and every other non-emergency flight is put on hold.

@Inquisite1031 12 күн бұрын

when ur talking to multiple planes at once, low on fuel is ambiguous and not a distinguishable message, ATC and Pilots are trained communicate is a very specific manner to avoid just that, and the Pilots failed to do that.

@Jose-hs4vk 3 ай бұрын

The controllers were negligent and unprofessional and needed to be fired. If I hear I am low in fuel, the next question from a controller should have been .... how low? having a few minutes left of fuel should have been clear that this was an emergency.

@Inquisite1031 12 күн бұрын

maybe if u had only 1 plane in the airspace u can do that, but not in a busy airport, u cant babysit one airplane in a busy airport like JFK, and at the end of the day its the responsibility of the flight crew to ensure the safety of their flight not ATC.

@witchy90210 Ай бұрын

I think the issue is that, in my experience in the US, "priority" is used like asking for something special like asking to go first before others. HOWEVER I THINK WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "WE ARE OUT OF FUELWE CANNOT HOLD" the whole OUT OF FUEL part is more important.

@xonx209 3 ай бұрын

The ATC system that passes planes from one controller to another is a terrible design. On top of that pilots are asked to switch frequencies. It's as if someone purposely want to stress the pilots.

@Inquisite1031 12 күн бұрын

do u know what happens when every1 tries to talk to the same guy over a 2-way radio ? yeah that and also other logistical problems exist.

@saltamonte777 2 ай бұрын

This is on the crew. When they realized there’s bad weather and were on hold for a while, they should have looked at diverting to be safe. Boston doesn’t seem like the closest or safest diversion as the weather is usually similar to NYC. There’s Baltimore, Philadelphia, and other airports they could have diverted to on time and avoid the stress of running out of fuel, which is probably one of the worst situations for a plane. And you accept to take off with the autopilot broken?

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

No New York should have diverted all flights.

@yuriyonlanguage Ай бұрын

I was once on a plane landing at JFK through a blizzard on a cold December night. It was quite scary!

@grizzlycountry1030 3 ай бұрын

*Controversy* The probable cause of the crash was determined by the NTSB to be "the failure of the flight crew to adequately manage the airplane's fuel load, and their failure to communicate an emergency fuel situation to air traffic control before fuel exhaustion occurred." However, two NTSB members filed dissenting opinions in the report. Jim Burnett voted against the adoption of the report because he felt it did not adequately address the failures of the air traffic controllers or the FAA's role in allowing more traffic than JFK could handle. Christopher Hart filed a partial dissent because he disagreed with the report's findings of a lack of standardized terminology. In his dissent, he wrote that "we do have standardized understandable terminology ... that would have adequately communicated the existence of a dangerous situation, and the problem was that the pilots failed to use this terminology with the controllers". Colombia's DAAC investigators also disagreed with some of the NTSB's findings. In a comment on a draft of the NTSB's report, the DAAC recommended that the NTSB place some responsibility on the controllers for their "inadequate handling" of the Avianca flight. The DAAC also recommended that the NTSB encourage modifying the EFC system, and that FAA regulations should require an "active flight-following system" to assist flight crews in evaluating weather and traffic delays.

@Wolfgang_AmaDEEZ_NUTZart Ай бұрын

In 2001 there were couple of planes that went missing in New York if i remember correctly. It was quite a big deal.

@khonjek125 Ай бұрын

This was preventable

@rostamanFoSho 2 ай бұрын

It is up to airline companies to train their pilots on laws and regulations in every country whose airspace they enter. It also should have been drilled into their heads that the word "emergency" and/or "mayday" should be used in this type of situation. It is not up to the hosting country's controllers to know what other words might be synonyms in other countries.

@CynthiaKelly-w5n 3 ай бұрын

I blame the pilot, but mostly I blame the traffic controller for not passing on the priority message that were fuel. Also think that the pilot should’ve had the copilot tell them different person. They spoke to they were low on fuel.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

ATC did nothing wrong, the pilots never declared an emergency. In aviation they use very exact language to avoid communication because the procedures and rules are written in blood. It has been decided and all pilots and ATC who can fly in the US or Europe are trained, if it is an emergency, you use the word "mayday" if you don't hear "mayday" it isn't an emergency. Watch any other crash where they run out of fuel. "mayday mayday mayday, we are out of fuel" = plane lands safely. "low fuel priority" = plane crashes. Every pilot knows "mayday"

@lymphallama2604 10 күн бұрын

@@MegaLokopo jesus christ do u work for the atc or something lmao you're spamming these comments like crazy xD

@trichotillomaniac1959 Ай бұрын

I love how the actors even have east coast accents. It's little things like that, that make this series so enjoyable.

@mikestone9129 3 ай бұрын

It is easy to second guess the pilots and atc actions. But in reality both parties were to blame. In my opinion the flight crew should have departed the initial holding pattern over Norfolk and proceeded to their alternate (Boston). But this would have cost the airlines a lot of money. You can point the blame at everyone involved, they all share the blame.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

So long as pilots don't use "mayday", ATC is expected to do nothing else besides treat them like any other plane. That one word would have been enough to get them to land safely even if it meant closing the airport and forcing everyone else to divert. ATC followed procedure written in blood.

@MeriRuhlig Ай бұрын

Why don't the controllers just tell pilots there are 39 planes ahead if them & give them the info to make the decision to divert to another airport?

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

Or advise the planes to divert right away because of unsafe conditions?

@penkatadrums 3 ай бұрын

He put them on "indefinite holding" lol... Like they had indefinite fuel 😂 they shouldn't use that word in aviation where fuel is not granted...

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

I agree. ATC is highly unprofessional, even dangerous.

@uralicdneprov1806 5 күн бұрын

Indefinite hold is correct. It is captain's responsibility to divert before they get low on fuel to do it safely.

@penkatadrums 5 күн бұрын

@@uralicdneprov1806 You are probably right, man... Still sad to live in a world where "indefinite hold" is a thing...

@LoneStarStinger 16 күн бұрын

… This one actually made my heart race. Also, How do you even try to brace with a baby? The thought of being in that situation with a one is terrifying and I don’t even have kids. Amazing most survived.

@cradleofalex Ай бұрын

Corporate greed is the 1st to blame. ATC end of shift operator's 2nd. Illiterate captain 3rd.

@TheWriterWalker 9 күн бұрын

God bless you, Daniella!

@vincentmurphy9252 3 ай бұрын

Total air traffic fault poor

@robinmitchell4443 3 ай бұрын

What about Washington that told them to land all 33 planes

@safdarakbari Ай бұрын

What a cluster of communication gaps, prioritization depriortization, cost cutting /optimization at all ends. Truly shameful on part of American aviation system and the Columbian airline to lose lives like this

@garygonzalez3449 3 ай бұрын

Air traffic control and the higher ups are responsible for this disaster the higher ups for allowing flights to land in those conditions and air traffic control for putting an almost fuel starved aircraft on several of unnecessary holds that took all of their fuel to where they ran out and crashed that so could have been prevented the caused this all of management should have been fired and liable for this accident

@tytan7772 Ай бұрын

Captain was right - he should use a word "emergency" and he never use it. But in English "priority" never means emergency...

@bbo506 3 ай бұрын

This as a combination of factors that made the plane crash..

@khrisma83 2 ай бұрын

Aaaaaaarrrggghhh the ATC make me angry....

@vocal-hm3yo 3 ай бұрын

Greed. Love of money.

@jacquelinerussell8530 3 ай бұрын

👍At the end of the day The love of money is the root of all eevil

@verotile 2 ай бұрын

It is true that the co-pilot didn't use the proper words to indicate emergency but if you hear "we're low on fuel. We need priority. We don't have enough fuel to go to the other airport", you understand it's an emergency. I understand the controllers were very tired and overworked which is why I blame the manager cause they should've "closed" the airport in such conditions. They could've kept some planes to hold up but keeping them for so long in the air after such a flight is way too dangerous. It's a pity the crew didn't have an enough clear head to call for a pam pam and at the very last a mayday cause that would've given the controllers the wake up call that was needed but it's not their fault. They're workload was huge and having to think about all the possible scenarios to get the plane on the ground safely, much have fogged their minds into using proper words that were not in their mother tongue. I feel for all the crew, staffs and passengers cause this could've gone so differently

@aking25199 11 күн бұрын

Both sides could’ve done better. Not preparing the weather conditions before heading towards the destination is a clear sign that they weren’t prepared properly for their route. If they’d been aware of the conditions, they might have prepared alternatives better. (Especially if they flew with no autopilot) On the other side, the responsible authorities didn’t close the airspace and diverted flights accordingly, even though they were aware of the risk. Both sides underestimated the situation dramatically imo

@yannisgouras4482 2 ай бұрын

Good example of why people need to have enough spine to tell their bosses no

@betlzden 3 ай бұрын

Actually pilots are wrong they must shout we are in emergency!! Mayday Mayday Mayday in such situation

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

Only if you're dealing with deaf obstinate American ATC personnel.

@TetraResinstone Ай бұрын

This the most frustrating episode ever!

@mntns2014 3 ай бұрын

Perfect example of why I will never fly again. It isn't the planes that I'm afraid of. It's human error and negligence in maintaining the planes. That and "keep the planes flying".

@Steve.Cutler 3 ай бұрын

Especially with the FAA and most airlines embracing DEI policies.

@theghostoftravel 3 ай бұрын

thats why its safer now than 1990

@SavingSoulsMinistries 3 ай бұрын

im not afraid to fly but its alot more scary to learn how complex flying really is

@Sahilprakash1999 3 ай бұрын

23:43 First Officer Mauricio Klotz: which means we'll have hamburger tonight

@facelesstravel 2 ай бұрын

typical american airport authority, take loads of flights but can't maintain them properly!

@justmoazzam Ай бұрын

Utter negligence of flight controllers at JFK airport, they should be punished according to the law

@PAUL-os1qm 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely irresponsible airport control tower folks. The pilots should have been much more aggressive and landed in Norfolk. The autopilot was never fixed??!! The copilot was looking forward to eating his NY hamburger minutes before the crash!😂 Stoopid all around!

@Insight_Outlook 16 күн бұрын

During the video, I kept shouting at the pilots "Declare an emergency! Emergency, emergency, emergency!"

@AsifIqbal-rv1lp 3 ай бұрын

RIP

@legitbeans9078 3 ай бұрын

PIR

@Hireaga 2 ай бұрын

Till today I dont understand why millions of lives flying on planes are in hand of a couple of flight controllers

@kalet196 3 ай бұрын

It was as easy as to just declare an emergency

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

They did. Being out of fuel IS an emergency. Duuhhh

@kalet196 Ай бұрын

@@sabine8419 No they didn't

@wickedpawn5437 2 ай бұрын

5:46: There's no runway 11 at MDE. It's 01 or 19.

@janeshnijhawan8884 3 ай бұрын

When visibility weather is not good why Americans authority give orders to fly land aeroplane one runway was available for take off and landing

@Mikediorama6301 28 күн бұрын

In this case the pilots have no blame. God bless you all. Air traffic controllers play with people's lives in their case.

@Chudley716 3 ай бұрын

Totally avoidable with proper communication on both sides of the radio.

@mariasosa5233 Ай бұрын

This epi got me angry, nervous n everything else

@aymahh 3 ай бұрын

it's always f ing semantics. rip.

@JimRobinEric 3 ай бұрын

Really? Controllers should be locked up! 5 min of fuel left? Good Lord!

@tommychew6544 2 ай бұрын

I hope we are all on the same page now with the aviation industry use of the English language. Many could have read into the importance of what was being said, it didn't happen though, and lives were lost!

@oshahott2532 28 күн бұрын

I'm learning Spanish myself and yeah if someone said, "¿Podemos tener prioridad?" I'd know exactly what they needed. Same in English. That's an emergency. Dingbats!

@michaelreedx6823 13 күн бұрын

Granted this was in 1990 but pilots are the end of the line when it comes to the safety of the aircraft and passengers. They plan alternates for a reason and they're not supposed to let there fuel get so low that they cannot make it to their alternates especially in bad weather. Now are the pilots 100% at fault here, no, but they are at mostly responsible for this crash. 9:10 did his nose just got 4ft or was it just me?

@antonys32 24 күн бұрын

The pilots also failed to declare Mayday.

@smokingzombiefilms 12 күн бұрын

These pilots were not being realistic with their situation with the tower. They got serious way too late.

@queeniesalvador8218 22 күн бұрын

the air traffic controller, was the one who made mistakes

@Sahilprakash1999 3 ай бұрын

20:20, the ATC controllers are chatting about the aircraft arrival and departure

@sheilabloom6735 3 ай бұрын

Those independent controllers don't care about lives just about landing the planes and no one can say no. They get top billing in the blame. A lot of blame to go around. Proper English is required internationally; it is mandatory, How did a pilot speaking poor English get to fly?

@dos3622 3 ай бұрын

They were veterans, flew many routs. To let planes land with horrible weather...is a bad decision. Should of rerouted the planes to other airports.

@anonymus7601 2 ай бұрын

What an incredibly arrogant approach of the controllers...

@paulweeldreyer7457 3 ай бұрын

The flight crew didn't convey the severity of the situation to ATC. It's not all their fault, certainly the weather and the traffic were big factors, but I don't think ATC were ever given a real sense of the urgency. I don't want to bash the flight crew, they were trying to be polite and professional, and the language barrier isn't really their fault. This was a compounding of factors.

@sabine8419 Ай бұрын

What thecheck were the flight crew suppised to do? Threaten them? Obviously none of the ATCs cared. If they hate their jobs that much they need to resign.

@christopherwarsh 3 ай бұрын

The pilots made their own situation. It’s just like with kids- if you don’t tell me something is wrong, how am I supposed to help you?? ATC has a lot going on- and pilots need to stop blaming others for their mistakes

@Validator56 3 ай бұрын

Emergency and priority do not mean the same thing. You say priority and I think you are concerned, you say emergency and I know people are going to die if something isn't done.

@Tassiedevil127 15 күн бұрын

If I was one of the pilots I would yell at the air traffic controller. “WE ARE LOW ON FUEL LET US LAND JESUS F**KING CHRIST!!!

@tgh364 3 ай бұрын

This was the most stressful episode by far! Both ATC and pilots could have done things differently, but I feel especially bad for the pilots. They didn’t want to die. They didn’t want to crash.

@jorgeaspera 3 ай бұрын

@fawfulfan 2 ай бұрын

It's certainly up there. I think THE most stressful episode is Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961. That was another out-of-fuel situation, but rather than weather and miscommunication, it was caused by hijackers forcing the pilot at gunpoint to fly somewhere they couldn't reach.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

@@jorgeaspera The pilots never use the word "mayday" every pilot is trained to use the word "mayday", the atc had no reason to believe an emergency was occurring because "mayday" was never called.

@LiamandBlakeDiasstuff 2 ай бұрын

@@MegaLokopo I know all about this flight. I live right near the accident. I wasn't alive near it, but I live right near it. It ran out of fuel and it was so dark outside so that they didn't see a hill. It crashed in oyster Bay Cove, Long Island, New York.

@LiamandBlakeDiasstuff 2 ай бұрын

@@MegaLokopo and the pilots never called Mayday because they never saw the hill. It was too dark outside outside. They had no reason to call Mayday because they never knew they were going down.

@ravanalti3740 3 ай бұрын

Honestly I’m with the crew on this one. They made it absolutely clear to the controllers that they were dangerously low on fuel and they needed priority but the controllers just brushed them off. The only thing I criticize the pilots for is that they should have called a mayday and declared an emergency after the missed approached. That plus no fuel and the weather that’s too many cheese holes.

@pocho689 3 ай бұрын

It was made clear to the first controller but NOT the second and third controllers.

@robertgary3561 3 ай бұрын

No unfortunately as a pilot I can’t agree. The crew did not use the required terminology they were trained to use to get the urgent response they wanted. In the end it’s 100% the pilots fault for not diverting before they couldn’t

@jacquelinerussell8530 3 ай бұрын

Agree They should of given a MAY DAY AS IN THIS IS AN EMERGENCY

@godloves1821 3 ай бұрын

@@robertgary3561so priority is not the same as Mayday or emergency? So since he didn't say Mayday, he houldn't use his common sense to know priority means emergency? Some of born with your language don't even understand it

@lalalili2982 3 ай бұрын

@@godloves1821 But it doesn't mean that. Precise language is essential.

@micheleskeggs2173 3 ай бұрын

We lived out on Long Island and sitting by out pool on summer nights we watched all the planes in holding patterns. It wasn't a calm feeling.

@burtharbenson8860 3 ай бұрын

It’s amazing how good the acting is on these docs. It’s on display in this doc alone this cockpit is believably 3 Colombian commercial pilots. The air traffic control was good too.

@robertgary3561 3 ай бұрын

Oh but the script is so bad. Unless they’re quoted from a voice recorder the script doesn’t sound like we talk at all. And runway numbers are always said wrong

@dbzdrag0n 2 ай бұрын

@@robertgary3561 they usually use the cvr recordings in mayday for the pilot actors script so high chance it is what they actually said

@robertgary3561 2 ай бұрын

@@dbzdrag0n they seem to dumb it down and certainly add drama. We don’t sound panics. But there are no two digit numbers in aviation. No runway “thirty two” only runway “three two”.

@alexastorm97 Ай бұрын

@@robertgary3561 Air France Flight 447 is all need to be said. You know people are different and can act very different in intense situation despite of how well trained they are.

@PeterBezemer 3 ай бұрын

controllers can also declare an emergency, if they think it's necessary.

@darixenous_shadowscale 3 ай бұрын

One word for ATC: Incompetence

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

What did they do wrong? The pilots never declared an emergency, "Mayday" was not used an emergency was not declared. As far as ATC new they were low on fuel, which could easily mean they had an hour left.

@Tuturial464 Ай бұрын

@@MegaLokopothey can’t understand what an emergency is then it’s their own fault. Do I need to tell you how to eat soup with a spoon

@MegaLokopo Ай бұрын

@@Tuturial464 If you say you are low on fuel, how am I supposed to know if you mean 5 seconds, minutes, hours or days left of fuel. In the aviation industry, they have decided if something is an emergency you use very specific wording so there is never any room for mis communication when the correct language is used. If the pilots said one word, "mayday" the ATC would have immediately known it was a dire time sensitive emergency, and would have diverted every plane that could divert, to make sure there was room and time for these pilots to land. EVERYONE who flies a commercial airplane is very well trained, and knows "mayday" is a magic word to get all the attention you need. Even if you use the word emergency, there is too much room for interpretation of how bad the emergency is. 3 hours of fuel is low at some airports because it means you won't make your alternate, but that means you can circle around the airport for 3 hours, so saying low fuel emergency means nothing. "mayday" means a lot, and every pilot knows what "mayday" means.

@violetsterling67 3 ай бұрын

The words of one of the survivors at the very end are so powerful and emotional.😭💔

@katecasta7364 3 ай бұрын

yeah, specially the last one... can't believe a plane would crash just because of one word. pretty crazy.

@Vousie 2 ай бұрын

@@katecasta7364 It's not "because of one word". It's because the pilots didn't properly communicate that they were about to run out of fuel because they didn't speak English well enough. Saying "mayday" would've been the best, but even if the pilots had actually said "we only have about 10 minutes of fuel remaining" that would've helped as well...

@byewhobayou8868 3 ай бұрын

I see everyone is dead set on placing blame in one place. Truth is, blame lies all over. The airline for not requiring the Captain to understand and speak aviation English, the Captain for not properly reading the situation and diverting, the First Officer for being too timid and not conveying the EXACT nature of the situation, the flight engineer for not informing the Captain that they didn’t have enough fuel for a go-around, and the “no compromise” attitude of the airport managers. Not to mention the weather. There are always many factors that go into an incident. The “who’s to blame” attitude is for lawyers to argue in court. As long as we think in terms of whose fault it is, we’ll never learn the lessons from these incidents. The “Swiss cheese model” is the only acceptable way to describe and understand the consequences of each seemingly minor failure or deviation.

@LouisGedo 3 ай бұрын

Tru dat

@nadineb2726 3 ай бұрын

I find at the end of the day they love to favor pilot error.

@JimAllen-Persona 3 ай бұрын

@@nadineb2726Gets a lot of people with money off the hook.

@byewhobayou8868 3 ай бұрын

@@nadineb2726 yeah, it’s cheaper for corporate, I guess.

@kaister901 3 ай бұрын

Yup, this right here. The justice system is more concerned about finding someone to blame than fixing the problem at hand.

@08Stella 3 ай бұрын

Air Traffick controler handling was "proper"? Oh really? The moment the pilot said, they are running out of fuel, he should have been granted emergency landing. End of story. ... but then again none of them could spot the damn' runway in that miserable weather. What an incredible tragedy. Awful, just awful. Hopefully the Airline compensated them somehow. That greedy attitude must stop once and for all... money money money is all they care for. Nothing changed so to see.. greed is still number 1 in the world for corporations so we have learned nothing so far. Thank you for the upload, xx..

@jeanniemarkech351 3 ай бұрын

Exactly. As I was listening I was thinking that ATC definitely screwed up. I was shocked at the conclusion that they were "blameless." Omg! Not in my view, that's for sure.

@robertgary3561 3 ай бұрын

In aviation we have key words. We have to say “emergency” or “mayday”. You can’t be ambiguous and assume controllers understand the level of urgency.

@vinny142 3 ай бұрын

"The moment the pilot said, they are running out of fuel, he should have been granted emergency landing. End of story. " No, obviously not. ATC cannot see the fuel guages of the plane and depends entirely on what the pilots say. If the pilots don't declare a fuel emergency then ATC has no reason to assume that the plane is out of fuel. Yes the pilots said they were running low on fuel, but HOW low. "low" may mean that they cannot make it to their alternate airport anymore, which is not a problem when they are already close to their primary. It's not ATC's fault that the pilots did not declare an emergency, not even with handoffs; it's always the pilots who have to make sure that ATC knows about their situation. Assumption is the mother of all f-ups.

@joulesbeef 3 ай бұрын

and not passing over info when transferring. it also seems very odd to me for them to find them completely blameless. That suggests they couldnt have improved any bit of their handling of the craft and well we all know that isnt true.

@joulesbeef 3 ай бұрын

@@vinny142 Id agree with you except "we do not have the fuel to make our alternate" is an emergency. You dont have to see the gauge, you just have to know they dont have fuel to land at any airport but the one they are holding for now.

@PurpleflashCraps 3 ай бұрын

I will never forget this plan crash. I was living in Syosset NY on Long Island and was home that night and the. Heard the ambulance sirens going off one after that other for several hours as they were bringing crash victims to the local hospitals as Syosset Hospital was one of them. I turned on the TV news and then saw what had happened. Never forgot it

@tis_jp Ай бұрын

But syosset is far away from jfk

@avlinshi9439 3 ай бұрын

Caption should say it is Mayday. And make sure the 1st officer having delivery the Mayday message to control tower. When there is only 20 minutes fuel left with such weather condition and night condition.

@WolfenMoony Ай бұрын

It was already a PAN PAN situation, another word for Priority that's is just bellow Mayday, but the point is they thought they are being handled to land, and didn't know that the communication between towers suck. Mentour Pilot in YT I think also talked about this incident, and he is a good source for analysing the reports since he is also a commercial pilot.

@LouisGedo 3 ай бұрын

First officer definitely screwed up ......but there's also blame on the traffic control center as well

@katesharon47 3 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@seraphik 3 ай бұрын

yeah, I'm not sure what about "we are out of fuel" and "two of our engines just went out" doesn't suggest a fuel starvation emergency. like really, you really needed them to say the words? you couldn't figure it out yourself?

@Wampa842 3 ай бұрын

@@seraphik Try rationalizing that while juggling a dozen other planes trying to land in the storm. "Mayday" is an emergency, "priority" is not. "Mayday fuel" has a procedure; loosely describing the situation without declaring emergency does not.

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

@@seraphik The rules and procedures are written in blood, "mayday" is the one and only word you can use to declare a top priority emergency. "Mayday Mayday Mayday, we are out of fuel" is all they needed to say and they would have landed safely. ATC deserves no blame, they followed procedure perfectly, the pilots completely ignored their training.

@pax6833 Ай бұрын

@@seraphik By the time the FO made those statements it was already well too late to save AF052. FO kept saying "low on fuel" and "priority" before first landing attempt which is not indicative to ATC of an emergency situation. The captain even directly ordered FO to declare an emergency, but for some reason he disobeyed that order. We'll never know why but him doing so was the fatal fault in this situation.

@ratratrat59 3 ай бұрын

The pilots should have used "May Day"

@gbw4908 3 ай бұрын

isnt this infuritating ffs, he has mouth, use the mouth and declare the freaking emergency!

@archerbob6847 2 ай бұрын

I fully blame the air traffic controllers for this, they were overloaded and knew it and should have sent everyone they could to their alternates... saying your running out of fuel is a clear indication you need to be taken seriously.

@pattypark8548 3 ай бұрын

Everyone of these people have me so angry I want to file a lawsuit.

@moondancerose7930 3 ай бұрын

😹😹😹

@migomigo2595 3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@malibustacy3606 Ай бұрын

Peppermint Patty, when you do go to court wear that cheeky little strapless number, it'll take them a week to recover after seeing that edible lingerie showstopper.

@mariovanrooyen6074 2 ай бұрын

Being critically low on fuel should have been emphasised earlier on and with more urgency by the crew.

@Raphael-en6db Ай бұрын

how can people blame the pilots lmao it's so obvious the controllers and the managers completely neglected safety

@anaromalacorona5594 2 ай бұрын

Its the jfk controllers fault, the pilot has been flying manually more than 6 hours

@harynlaryn 12 күн бұрын

I honestly think that the first officer telling ATC "running out of fuel" was enough for ATC to pay closer attention to, although the words "emergency" or "mayday" would've been better, 'cause "running out of fuel" sounds more urgent than "low on fuel". The crews also asked for priority landing, which also should've been understood as they can't wait for too long, ATC should've at least clarified if they needed to land immediately. In the meanwhile, the first officer should've been more aggressive on requesting to land asap, 'cause there are lives of passengers involved and you do not get timid on something that can cost lives of people. The tragedy was caused by both the first officer's timidity and ATC's insensitivity.

@junebugjunebug4492 3 ай бұрын

Umbelievablr. You dont assume when in an emergancy. First words out of pilots mouth when switched to second controller shoukd have been WE ARE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF FUEL. Communication man. Dont count on somebody else. And why so timid?? Its like theyre aftaid of the atc.

@Vousie 2 ай бұрын

No, first words should've been "mayday, fuel emergency". No "about to run out of fuel". Some airlines require the pilots to declare a fuel emergency when they have less than 30 mins fuel left, IIRC. So the fact that these guys didn't do that probably made ATC think they had more than that left.

@jasonnchuleft894 3 ай бұрын

I must say this near constant frequency juggling at some large airports was certainly not inducive to clear headed problem solving. Basically every time you have to change frequencies you have to start back at square one with the controller and remember to recall everything you said previously that might be relevant in case of a problem. And that's on top of trying to troubleshoot / deal with the problem itself.

@chippyjohn1 2 ай бұрын

US businesses are always trying to avoid accountability.

@christinamenhennett 2 ай бұрын

It's not just US. It's worldwide!

@christinamenhennett 2 ай бұрын

It's not just US. It's worldwide!

@StefaniClowdis 3 ай бұрын

Why did the controller leave his plane when there was an emergency

@mobilephoneuser-pr8cj 3 ай бұрын

If this was in the 80s it was probably Ronald Reagan's deregulation you know the senile King the president that made Donald Trump King to the Republicans anyway

@dos3622 3 ай бұрын

I know this joke, because his shift was over?

@burtharbenson8860 3 ай бұрын

That was the most ridiculous part of this. I’m not an air controller and have little knowledge of how it works but I can’t imagine being in a position where it was life and death and just passing it off to the next guy and grabbing a sandwich.

@jaimesantiago1751 3 ай бұрын

He has to live with that the rest of his life

@legitbeans9078 3 ай бұрын

@@jaimesantiago1751 He might as well have flown into the sky, bust through the fuselage and just hosed all those people himself.

@ranapratapsingh3416 3 ай бұрын

Totally irresponsible behavior from the ATC to the pilot.

@JoshuaRalisay-i2j Ай бұрын

There's 2 Questions About This 1. Why Are They Flying With Dangerously Level Of Empty 2. Why Traffic Controllers Keeps Them Waiting If They Knew That's Dangerously To Land On The Pin Airport Not Divert It To The Nearest Where The Plane Located

@thedonleroy 3 ай бұрын

A lot of incompetence on display in this one. A whole lot of mistakes made on all sides in my opinion, including the controllers.

@jorgeaspera 3 ай бұрын

@juvenciosantos9851 3 ай бұрын

There is a big difference between. We are running out of fuel and We are out of fuel...pilots should had said. We have less than X amount of fuel and we need to land lake yesterday or we are going to crash in less than X amount of minutes...

@MegaLokopo 2 ай бұрын

no, what they should have said is "mayday mayday mayday, fuel emergency, we have 30 minutes of fuel left, we will not make our alternate"