The Terrifying Flight Scandal That Shook the Aviation World! | Mayday: Air Disaster

[@joevignolor4u949]

I performed aircraft maintenance in the Air Force. During training we were told to always remember that when you are working on an aircraft you have the lives of everyone who will ride on the plane in your hands. I never forgot that.

[@ImOnAJourney]

Thank you for your service. I am grateful to you and the millions of other men and women who have served our nation and have kept us all safe. 🇺🇸

[@charliec5653]

Not should anyone else. I work as an automotive mechanic, and that's on my mind when I work on people's cars. I may not personally know these people, but they depend on their vehicles to get them and their families to their destination safely.

[@joekulik999]

My father was an Navy aircraft mechanic at Norfolk VA during WW2. He told me that ALL mechanics who worked on a plane back then HAD to be on-board during the test flight. This was to ensure that all repairs were done correctly because the mechanics literally had their own lives on the line during the test flight. BTW, my father sustained a broken nose during one of those test flights when a repaired plane DID Crash. I saw him walk around with that broken nose my whole life until he finally got it fixed at a VA Hospital when he was 75.

[@AW-qq5ee]

@@joekulik999just like parachute riggers; they get tapped at any time to jump the last shute they pack … keeps ‘em on their toes

[@daleburnfart6845]

Sadly that doesnt mean much anymore. Flight mishaps of nearly every kind happening weekly and daily the wreak of carelessness. Much the fear of prison or the death penalty is no longer a concern lke it used to be.

[@Vilaun.]

“How do you say that? You use words every single day, how can you use words, to ruin someone’s life” hit me so hard 😔😖😢

[@jeremysmith1223]

That was deep! That caught my attention seriously🙏🏻

[@Stitchwitchstitch]

Same! I was already crying and then the tears came harder.

[@howieduwit2551]

That hit hard.😢

[@Thinking.Of.Some.Handle]

Humbling statement

[@hburn5673]

That is a woman with a good soul.

[@buster757]

Skipping maintenance manual steps is something I don't allow in my aircraft shop. I require the page pertinent to the job to be printed out and followed to the letter. The is no excuse for skipping steps. We also check each other's work. Anybody can make a mistake, and by checking and double checking we minimize the chance for mistakes.

[@weaviejeebies]

From a frequent flyer, thank you. Your diligence doesn't go unappreciated. Literally every time I deplane safely, I leave a good word at the gate for the whole crew. I say a little prayer for everyone who brought me to this place safely. It's not a pay raise or a promotion, but it's all I can think of to do. I hope you can sometimes feel the good vibe and respect a lot of us passengers feel for all airline staff.

[@jovetj]

@@weaviejeebies Save some prayers for investigators like the NTSB.... I don't believe many of us could stomach that disaster scene and continue to do our jobs. They are unsung heros.

[@artdonovandesign]

That's a dedicated man who knows his profession!

[@dennisyoung4631]

Mistakes on these things tend to be severely penalized.

[@gqualti1]

I was a maintenance tech in the Navy. We were told that to remember that you someday may have to ride in the birds you work on. Worked on transport aircraft I took that to heart. As I logged over 1000 hours in the back of the birds. I pray for those who lost their lives.

[@luisfernando5998]

U logged over 1000 hours in the back of birds ? Poor birds

[@gqualti1]

that is the term we called airplanes LOL@@luisfernando5998

[@77Avadon77]

@@luisfernando5998lol

[@hoosierbaddy3052]

Everyone is an aviation expert here. Mechanical engineers too. Wow. I drove truck and do NOT ever watch videos about truck driving. Cannot imagine real pilots watching this and commenting.

[@77Avadon77]

@@hoosierbaddy3052 Most people here are aviation experts, pilots, engineers. Duh!

[@jerrypolverino6025]

I was a Captain that day flying a 727-200 to the West coast. I remember. Thank you for this video.

[@antoniomartinez6722]

El gato volador? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@misspacino4081]

Not only do I love the fact you’re a pilot, I have so much respect and awe for pilots. They amaze me so much, but then I saw your profile pic and the fact it’s your cat makes you that more awesome then you already are by being a pilot!!! 👨‍✈️ 🙏🙏🙏✈️😸

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

@@antoniomartinez6722is that the slang term for the 727?

[@DavidLee-cp2lq]

@@misspacino4081 stop laying it in, hes married]....freaking pilot chasers

[@rebelruth9582]

Of course you were

[@Bob31415]

The fact that the mechanics didn't test the movement of the elevators for full range of motion is unconscionable. I wouldn't have been able to sleep. I am an automotive technician and we test drive every vehicle after every brake job as well as other services.

[@conradanderson3928]

According to the report, they did. Of course this was done during a grueling 15 hour shift.

[@davidlewis2626]

At the 121 operation I worked at, whenever an adjustment of control cables was made all control movements were measured at the control surface using an inclinometer. 😅

[@BjarniArnason]

@@conradanderson3928 so is the video wrong? the video specifically states that they skipped that step.

[@TTT69304]

​@@BjarniArnasonI could be wrong but conradanderson's comment reads to me, that the 15hr shift part is the vital piece. We know from long term research that longer shifts result in more mistakes. Whether it's assembling a burger wrong, giving the wrong dose or wrong medication, or logging a routine check but forgetting you didn't do it/forgetting to do it, 15hrs is too long for someone with a job of that importance to be working. Many places limit the length of shift for medical professionals because when they work too long, people die. Pilots are limited with required rest periods because accidents happen from fatigue. Baseball pitchers can only pitch so long then are required a set rest period to avoid injury (that physical, not mental but still) I think their point was more that it was logged but not done, possibly due to the length of the shifts required, especially since it's a physically grueling and exhausting job.

[@MutedGrowl]

I thought this took place in the 80’s, I didn’t realize it was 2003 until the end! They had this type of oversight error in 2003!? I’m terrified of what oversight is happening as we speak.

[@pattic8473]

Thank you to the crash investigator and others who found ALL the reasons for this crash. Her dogged determination will save lives. The weight issue is definitely eye-opening!

[@randall39]

My son is a senior crew chief and former QA(quality assurance officer) on the F35A fighter plane. In his training with his maintainers the first rule is “never skip a step no matter how small”.

[@deathstrike]

I was as well on the B-1B Lancer Bomber. As a senior inspector, I and like your son carry a huge responsibility every single plane we inspect. We have to be absolutely sure that the aircraft will not only keep its pilots and crew safe, but it will perform in the manner prescribed in the maintenance manuals. And it is your life if you are wrong. The price of failure is so high, many maintainers don't stay long due to the stress. And those that do, know their freedom and reputation are on the line every single time their plane flies.

[@charminbutterfly32]

​@@deathstrike I can't even imagine the stress maintenance crews must have. Knowing lives in your hands. God bless you 🙏

[@Quaza57]

skipping steps doesn't just apply to airplanes, we all have jobs that have steps that are place there for a reason, for your safety and the safety of others, no matter your job a factory worker or a truck driver (as I am) or a commercial pilot or maintenance worker following those steps is very important.

[@deathstrike]

@@Quaza57 My mistake and thank you, I was pointing out from my former work (Air Force) now retired. But yes, no matter what job you are in, steps are not only important, but crucial in many jobs and aspects of life.

[@luisfernando5998]

What if ur son is small ? Have to be realistic with one’s expectations

[@shawnmer8735]

I've been an aircraft mechanic for 32 years now, 21 of those in the Air Force. Never ever skip steps the tech data provides for a reason. Unreal.

[@bradr2142]

Thank you great job.

[@djsollar]

After this disclosure They should sack this mechanic immediately and keep away from any aircrafts business for life Aircraft maintenance is critical No excuse

[@SW0000A]

The maintenance guy that did the work and then skipped the instructions while signing off on it should be charged with 21 counts of manslaughter and spend some time in prison.

[@jsa-z1722]

💯

[@Alan59-n9d]

I agree , you would have thought the Maintenance guys would have checked all control movements after they adjusted the cables , a simple process . 🙏

[@shadowmoth9158]

Just so y’all know the person who made the comment (@SW0000A) is a racist. This comment they made has nothing wrong in my opinion but just checked their channel and they got some… certain type of videos

[@markdanz7039]

I can't imagine the heartache from this tragedy, my condolences goes to all the victims and families

[@shawndyer8140]

Thank you ntsb.

[@1971dave]

I love these programs, don't like the ones where there are survivors, cuz it's like watching an horror film without nobody being killed

[@richardelbon9628]

when I was in the air force as a mechanic and an aircraft needed a functional test flight after repair we were required to go ride along.

[@joeyvanostrand3655]

That's a marvelous practice unless your mechanic has a serious case of the blues or going through a crappy divorce.

[@stratoleft]

So?

[@RedneckSith]

In medieval times, if an architect designed an arch, they as well as the masons who built it were required to stand directly underneath it when the supports were removed. Good way to ensure quality design and workmanship.

[@stratoleft]

@@RedneckSith How the frig do you know?

[@zeroceiling]

@@stratoleft…probably exceptionally well documented from that time period….that’s nothing rare…

[@pyrobryan]

One of the first things I was told when I got my first job in retail 30 years ago was never say "I'm sorry" to the customer. A company will almost never apologize in a situation where lawsuits are likely to be involved. Apologizing means admitting fault. Admitting fault means losing every law suit before they're even filed.

[@daniakalaina]

I’ve heard hospitals have started to do it. It helps in negotiations

[@jerrycallo]

They start to say sorry after the inevitability of a law suit exists to appear compassionate and reduce settlement costs.

[@Roddy556]

In Canada there is a law stipulating that an apology does not constitute an admission of guilt. Similar to how someone can say "I'm sorry for your loss" when hearing about a loved one passing despite having no fault or involvement in their death.

[@pyrobryan]

@@Roddy556 It should be common sense all over the world that saying "I'm sorry" doesn't mean you're accepting blame or admitting fault, but people suck, so it's not.

[@Roddy556]

@@pyrobryan Canada certainly doesn't do everything right but we seem to have apologizing figured out lol

[@mlester3001]

My cousin was a firefighter who responded to an airline crash at Little Rock airport. The experience left him with PTSD.

[@michaelluca6004]

@mlester3001 Firefighters like your cousin are some of the bravest men and women this country has. Putting their lives on the line with each call they have to respond to. They. never know what they are getting into until they reach the scene. I'm sorry he has PTSD, as I can't imagine what he had to deal with. GOD bless him and his loved ones. May he recover from his PTSD as best as he can. I sure hope he is getting help with his PTSD.

[@philipschifano5876]

Im just so grateful some of these parents and loved ones get to express their losses and their pain. Thank you mayday for doing these and telling these stories🙏

[@luisfernando5998]

Ur story is next, I bet it’s gonna be a firey ending also

[@erikarabie]

​​@@luisfernando5998😂😂🔥🔥

[@ericdurae5085]

I started watching these documentaries about aviation disasters about a year ago and have watched seen many but this one truly choked me up!!😢 Rip crew and passengers 🙏

[@Miss_Mina_Murray]

Me too 😢

[@wabi_sabi_vida]

The way the dad said, "I was upset." Just lowercase and matter of fact. Broke my heart right in two.

[@Deborah-kt8yw]

I started learning to fly off last year. Anything could go wrong

[@ImOnAJourney]

Isn’t that weird? This one feels so close to hand, so recent, and so personal. Thanks, Mayday. To the passengers, crew and their loved ones - you all made the hardest sacrifices that day, and in doing so, you made airline travel better for everyone. None of us can thank you enough. Rest in peace.

[@krismurphy7711]

Yes.... Pilots put in an impossible situation....except at the last ....where to crash.

[@wolfeyes9357]

To the parents of the you g woman.....my deepest a d sincere prayers go out to you both and all that lost their lives! I am a 59 year old man with two children and i cannot imagine the pain you go through, but my prayers are with you as with all the families that lost loved ones on this flight!

[@cindymartin6493]

I just lost my only child, my son who was 57 years old who at least got to live a full life until his kidneys failed when he was 42. I can tell you the pain is awful and for plane crash victims so sudden is heartbreaking. My son’s wish was for everyone to hug their loved ones more often and tell them you love them. You never know what will happen

[@rachelcampbell2989]

@@cindymartin6493as a first time parent 28yrs-old with a now 5 month old daughter, I couldn’t imagine losing your child, she is my husbands & I’s world & I couldn’t begin to imagine. May your son rest in peace ❤

[@tire26]

I don't see how there aren't several weigh ins (in ground scale) near the runways to simplify this whole procedure.

[@DefiantSix]

There's no reason why they couldn't install load cells under each of the scanner booths or metal detectors at the security gates. That way, the weight it takes can be tied to the passenger's ticket and reported electronically to the gate and aircraft the ticket is assigned to.

[@nathanieladriano8573]

The ground scale you're suggesting would weigh the aircraft as a whole when what the pilots actually need are separate measurements for the plane itself (this is the Zero Fuel Weight [ZFW] or Dry Operating Weight [DOW]), cargo, passengers, crew, and fuel.

[@brianabc83]

If something is not ordered to be done by those that have the power to ground your business, then money/cost of a remedy will always be one of the factors.

[@TheSjuris]

@@DefiantSixthe only sure way is to put a scale right in front of the doorway on entry of the ramp from the gate and no one wants their actual weight displayed. The ground crew knew the luggage was overweight and the captain overrided her.

[@Bob31415]

@@TheSjuris They could weigh passengers without displaying their weight.

[@jimmyhelvig5609]

I worked for Usairways for 20 years. They tried to farm out the whole ramp and the mechanics. To save a buck you can’t risk millions of lives to save a penny to make more millions for the owners and Ceo’s. This is what you get for using a 3rd party mechanic. Thanks Usairways

[@rocioaguilera3555]

Greed of the CEOs have caused many tragedies and they're never charged with any wrong doing. Disgusting

[@ross9581]

@@rocioaguilera3555 RE: Boeing 737 Max...

[@mortalclown3812]

​@@ross9581 💯

[@wishhalkar509]

Yep. That airline was trouble. Esp when they got a 50 million dollar package from United for the breakup after the Justice Dept made it clear that it wasn’t going to be allowed to go thru.

[@conradanderson3928]

The FAA audited the West Virginia maintenance facility months before the accident. They concluded the facility was understaffed and had multiple deficiencies. Air Midwest management was informed if this, but did nothing to correct the problems.

[@richh650]

As a local in Charlotte, I still remember this happening almost like it was yesterday. Was beyond shocking and sad...

[@koisneurotypical]

Im glad they changed the average weights of people. Living in NC, the average weight is definitely more than 175lbs…

[@Sushi2735]

I flew a small plane from San Juan to St. Thomas. They weighed each one of us, and our bags👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Bob31415]

So how much did you weigh?

[@jonathanparle8429]

The smallest plane I have been in is a SAAB340. I think they just used average weights for that. I am 80 kilos and they happily put me at the back. Though the plane was full of mainly blokes bigger than me!

[@aletawerner348]

As a former USAF Flight Nurse, we routinely deadheaded from Travis AFB, back to Hickum, HI, our originating base. Whatever Air Force aircraft available for our med crew, we flew. There were many times that the flight engineer would request that a number of our crew change our seating position for aircraft weight balancing. Our normal aircrafts flown were C-141, and occasional C-5. Gosh I miss those days at times, and I actually felt safer in military aircraft.

[@StillPooh62]

At least on military planes, you can rest assured that fewer of the maintenance technicians have recreational drug habits!

[@OneAdam12Adam]

I wouldn't be so sure of that​@@StillPooh62 I just broke up with someone who had abused marijuana for 3 years in the Army tilll they finally kicked him out.

[@Defender78]

43:02 i am surprised the baggage handling members, who noticed the plane sitting tail heavy, couldn't have had more say in the departure of the aircraft.

[@wcate8301]

​​​​​@@Defender78, that was probably a common sight for them. The locations and limits of the baggage compartments dictates that as weight increases, CG shifts aft, and they usually fly heavy with CG near the aft limit. The forward compartment isnt large enough to fully compensate for the rear

[@mikegirard4388]

Unfortunately being a full flight they couldn’t move people forward.

[@antonnym214]

When they showed the weight calculations on the scratch pad, I added those and it was 17258, not 17018. Their weight calculation was 240 lbs too light.

[@evergreenmoth8924]

an entire average american citizen in weight xD

[@TheJD616]

Haha. Me too!

[@adotintheshark4848]

not grossly overweight, but not distributed in the plane properly. It was badly tail-heavy. It could have flown otherwise.

[@KornPop96]

I'm sure those weren't the actual numbers. They were probably made up in production. I don't think this show gets that detailed.

[@kurtbyars766]

The crew should have did the math a couple more times since it was so close. That's what I was taught when I became an Airline Pilot, and it's the best way to end this type of risk. Plus of course the consequences of contract mx is a sign of a financial situation with the airlines always.

[@janegreen5301]

A sincere apology can truly help in the grieving process. It was right and good they ask for it. May we never forgot there is always a face behind a number. It was a good investigation.

[@luisfernando5998]

And there is always Uranus behind ur face

[@dwhitman3092]

​@@luisfernando5998 Are you in elementary school?

[@luisfernando5998]

@@dwhitman3092 no I’m in Uranus

[@JeannieHeck-x3e]

Ward truly did an excellent job of getting to the root of the problems!!

[@weerskrood]

Well, the crew did....

[@josephesposito3499]

The root of the problem is >wo-MEN in aviation

[@luisfernando5998]

I bet the root of the problem is in Uranus

[@wcate8301]

​@@josephesposito3499 No, the problem is too many MEN.

[@Bob1934-l6d]

When I did my private pilot training my CFI pushed doing weight and balance. It is NOT just weight you have to calculate the moment arm. Every aircraft has published CG point. Everything from that point gets a number, Baggage Compartment, Fuel tanks, seats. Anything added needs this number, that total then tells you if you are going to be a test pilot or a safe pilot. You can be under the max weight, but if all that weight is in the rear then you are going to crash. Totally shocked that they just added up true weight and did not calculate the arm with it.

[@jmflyer55]

They did calculate the CG as well. The video just didn’t state to that degree of detail. Calculating weight & CG is SOP at United and every other regional who flew the 1900D. I flew one for several years at an airline in the northeast, and we always calculated all of it. It was standard procedure across all the regional airlines in that aircraft. See my other comment if you want. Either way, sadly this flight was doomed the minute it took off. This is what we pilots consider our worst nightmare. Meaning, there’s absolutely no solution any pilot could do, to bring the aircraft down safely. These kinds of accidents are extremely rare. But they’re not nonexistent unfortunately.

[@krismurphy7711]

They used Standard Weights....which was at gross....and within CG....BUT....real world weight, AND THUS CG, was wrong. (They were only 3% over gross.... 500 divided by 17000??? ) It seems the real cause of the accident was the elevator range.

[@alicefairchild2551]

Had the elevator had it's full authority the plane would have e been fine

[@iffykidmn8170]

@@alicefairchild2551 Did you mean may have been fine?

[@737Parkie]

None of these calculations are done by hand anymore. This was the old school way of doing it. When I started airline flying in turboprops in 1998 we did it this way.

[@GH-oi2jf]

I don’t see how any mechanic could think that not verifying the operation of the elevator would be reasonable. As for weight, you don’t have five significant digits, as shown in the video, unless you are accurately weighing everything that goes into the total weight. What is the margin of error and what is the margin of safety?

[@jaysmith1408]

I think they said that the only way to be positive of weight and centre of gravity is by using real weights, and seating accordingly. Southern is the only flight I’ve flown where they use that system. Your actual weight, and baggage, and whether it’s checked or carried onboard. The larger the aircraft, the less critical it gets. Luggage is closer to CoG, fuel is rarely full, and greater percentage of weight is luggage and cargo, which is accurately weighed. You are unlikely to find a pilot of a small aircraft who doesn’t know how much his coffee weighs.

[@Paige-py7pu]

Greenville/Spartanburg (GSP) is located in Greer, SOUTH Carolina. There is a Greenville in both north and south Carolina, but GSP is the one in SC.

[@RedVoteRedemption]

Came here to comment about that mistake. Born and raised in GVL 😁

[@Paige-py7pu]

@@RedVoteRedemption raised here too!

[@briancobb6572]

Same here!

[@Bob31415]

@@Paige-py7pu Ya'll live next door to one another?

[@afrocoleman]

Thank you! I heard it and said "wait what?" lol

[@hobbyxtremerc]

I was one of the accident investigators on AMW5481. I was also a friend of Johnathan Gibbs, the first officer. This documentary was fairly well done, but they did get some information wrong.

[@countryshaner141]

What did they get wrong?

[@jayfrank1913]

Of course they did, it's an entertainment documentary. Whenever one has inside information on any event, the errors in the reporting of it jump out at you. Thank you for your work as an accident investigator. It can't be an easy job, especially when a friend loses their life. I'm sorry for your loss.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Anything to do with pitch control?

[@conradanderson3928]

All of these disaster shows are incorrect in some way or form. The creators have to transform a 400+ page report into an entertaining 42 minute program.

[@conradanderson3928]

Based on the information in the final report, the mechanics involved were not given the training or support they needed to perform their jobs properly. The FAA and Air Midwest management were aware of the deficiencies at the West Virginia maintenance facility months before the accident, but did nothing to correct them.@@countryshaner141

[@dh88k]

Shocking that the average weight of ppl and luggages in the US has not been updated since the 30's. It's not a given that the plane would have made it if the elevator at functioned properly. We know the plane was too heavy and that the center of gravity was too far back, how far back is unknown. If the plane pitched up so fast and suddenly that it caught the crew by surprise the speed must have rapidly dropped rendering the elevator less effective. It was a disastrous situation before the elevator came to play.

[@JoanMessineo]

😅

[@mahbriggs]

Chances are it would have flown! Usually there is enpugh of a safety margin built in to allow for exceding limits! Just as the elevator control cables by themselves didn't cause the accident, being over weight by that magin shouldn't have either! That is why there are safety margins. Rarely does a single factor cause a major disaster. It usually takes two or more!

[@danielhansen9203]

@@mahbriggsFatass people need to pay more and should have to report if they are over 250lbs. Buy two seats.

[@JamesMiller-q9w]

If taking up the gear suddenly steep 'ins the pitch for goodness sake Put it back down quickly.

[@covercalls88]

What might have added to the center of gravity problem the front gear retracts backwards which can change the CG very slightly to the rear. Having designed and built large scale Radio Control I noticed the suttle CG changes when I retract the landing gear of my F6F Hellcat, F4U Corsair, and P-40. As in those planes the rotating landing gears fold backwards. So I always balance my planes with the gear up. Sadly, she was definitely stuck between the rock and the hard place. The only thing she could have was to drop the landing gear and to also add full down on the elevator tab control which is separate. But that's just Monday morning quarter backing.

[@ElizabethMayo-sf4wg]

Excellent video!!! I've watched videos on WWII ducks where "average" weights of passengers AND cosmetic changes to the boats had NOT been revised in too many years until an accident made an investigation necessary!!!! Thank you NTSB!!!!

[@1927su]

Haunting words..”what about the other steps?”

[@joelmcintyre3061]

So sad. I have what is considered a "saftey sensitive " job. Not in aviation , but this is a reminder to me that no matter what kind of day I may be having, others may depend on me doing my job like I'm supposed to. Condolences to the families and responders who's live were affected by this tragedy.

[@OneKindWord]

The smaller the plane, the more critical the weight of passengers, baggage, and freight.

[@sarah258595]

being a contractor is miserable. shame on those guys for not taking the threat of death seriously enough, but i 10000% shift the blame from them as individuals to the airline company for not bothering to hire and maintain their OWN crew just to save on their bottom line

[@dennisyoung4631]

Greed is Lethal.

[@nchimunyamuyuni7920]

The love of money is the root of all evil

[@defaulted9485]

@@sarah258595 Not in airplane, but I was working with a contractor for a cable line maintenance crew. Not until I was jokingly asked to fix a fiber optic pole cable on the steep end of a cliff... not on the road, On The Cliff, it's leaning 25 degrees to a *Ravine* outside of the road barrier, while heavy 10 wheeler trucks keep shaking the road and the ladder I held for safety. All that separate me from death or PTSD were a singular warning road cone and the road barrier I hold for dear life. I realized how much company are taking contractors for granted. These guys also worked as a farmer in spare time, so I might have owed my life and my job to them twice.

[@heathermetz6576]

Having been a former load planner in the aviation industry, ALWAYS adhere to the CG of the aircraft. Some aircraft are nose heavy and some aircraft are tail heavy. Bags and People come off before cargo.

[@xxibjrosek]

I've flown in to the Greenville-Spartanburg airport before. It's small, but absolutely beautiful and well kept.

[@hailey9652]

I flew in and out of it for a wedding last month, I’m a Rhode Islander so I’m used to TFGreen airport which is also small but Greenville-Spartanburg shocked me with how beautiful it is!

[@RedVoteRedemption]

Every flight I’ve had between CLT and GSP has been on CRJ-900s. I’m not scared of flying but I hate the idea of small planes, they actually make me quite nervous.

[@Jenufir]

I'm the opposite. On a small plane, I feel I have a much greater chance of getting on the ground alive if something goes wrong. In a big heavy plane, chances are slim. Obviously depends on the pilot, too. But I'll take my chances on a Cessna 180 landing on the highway.😄

[@jaysmith1408]

One of primary reasons they aren’t being flown, and by extension manufactured, any more. First is the airlines that flew them have gone out of business, second is the cancellation of services to fields that warranted such aircraft, and third is that many passengers (myself not included, I adored the utility of the Dash-8, Saab 340, 1900, and Brazilia) would not fly on these aircraft, so either didn’t travel, or found transport to a larger field with mainline service.

[@luisfernando5998]

Flying in a small plane is like tightening Uranus while pooing

[@wcate8301]

​@@jaysmith1408 Another reason these planes are going away is that the temporary special airworthiness standard they were certified under is expired. SFAR41C was set up to allow certain airframe types certified under Civil Airworthiness Regulation, Part 23 (Small Aircraft) to grow past 12,500 pounds without meeting all the safety requirements of CAR Part 25 (Transport Category Aircraft). Planes like the 1900, Metro IV, CASA 212, Brasilia, etc, couldn't meet CAR 25 without complete and expensive redesigns that would render them economically infeasible. This filled the gap between 19 and 34 seats that couldn't be served economically by CAR 25 aircraft. This rule was made temporary, as it was foreseen that the developing class of small jets would soon fill that need. They now have been operating for years, but the economic threshold has proven to be 35 seats, so the SFAR41C planes soldier on in a limited way to fill the gap for Essential Air Service towns, much to the disgust of the passengers, who fear propellers as essentially unsafe.

[@Sushi2735]

This is simply crushing. I don’t blame these people for being furious! The fact that no one goes to jail for this kind of incompetence is maddening. What then encourages them to go by the book? Nothing, nothing at all! Even if fired, they’ll have another job, maybe in a different city, but their awful lives go on. All the people who were killed, can never ever be replaced. They are gone forever. I worry so much about maintenance now that the major airlines are outsourcing their work. We are going to go through this again, but with a major airline on a much larger scale!!!!!!

[@richardkallio3868]

If anyone should have gone to jail for this, it should have been whoever scheduled that particular maintenance shift without a competent senior mechanic overseeing the operation. The QC guy should not have been performing double duty; it’s basically a conflict of interest.

[@michaeljones4645]

Just like killer cops,.. no accountability

[@rachmunshine9474]

They’re telling them to keep to schedules that are unreasonable and they “don’t wanna hear any excuses…” leading many to just stop talking back. I just started this video, but the current issues are with management.

[@krismurphy7711]

I don't know....but why ALL the mechanics/inspector were not fired and BANNED from the Industry...for life???

[@josephesposito3499]

The result of >wo-MEN in aviation. wo-MEN are less competent CASE CLOSED

[@MenvielleGal]

Love love love this channel. I’ve been binge watching lately.

[@Bob31415]

Me too. I'm almost out of popcorn.

[@sarahochsenbein6702]

I have been on small commuter style planes a handful of times, never thought much of it. I will never forget coming back from Australia with a friend, by way of Chicago. Weather wasn’t good, and had connecting flights canceled. Friend and I weren't happy. It had been a long day, and we just wanted to go home. We stuck around the airport longer than most, and discovered a small commuter flight still in action, going to a city about an hour away from ours. We jumped on it. Worst turbulence i have ever experienced, especially on takeoff. But we were fine. Knowing what I do now, however, I don’t think I would try that again.

[@THE-michaelmyers]

I was attending a 4 day long series of meetings in a hotel banquet room close to the Charlotte Airport that Wednesday. I remember our meeting being interrupted and being told about the crash. I was still living in Georgia at the time. That next weekend I remember returning my rental car and somber flight back to Atlanta. Jan 2004 we were back in Charlotte in meetings. I still think about that day a lot!

[@jackcollin1695]

If a mechanic use a word "JUST", then that mechanic have a habbit of shortcuts or a rush easy way done project.

[@jackcollin1695]

A responsible mechanic uses "MUST"

[@lbar9720]

May their Souls Rest In Peace.

[@dhall058]

Excellent documentary of a really thorough crash investigation and follow-up procedural changes.

[@mikegirard4388]

So I’m going to adjust this cable then not actually fully test the function. Brilliant.

[@Questor-ky2fv]

Thanks for this well done documentary! I am a disaster movie addict, but am also interested in real disasters. There is a big difference between watching disaster movies for entertainment, and watching the true stories. These documentaries shed light on what happened, why it happened, and how can we keep it from happening again. I think it may help the survivors and the families to get some closure. At least, I hope so.😟

[@Valentina-Steinway]

Do you still fly? I find that the more I watch these broadcasts, the more I learn about what can go wrong, the more panicked I get about flying….😢

[@mimib8032]

​@Valentina-Steinway I'm exactly opposite. Although I am terrified of flying, when I watch these, I know that is an issue that will be addressed and won't happen again.

[@peggyrobertson8169]

I really enjoy these very knowledgeable documentaries. I agree that I like being informed.

[@charminbutterfly32]

​@@Valentina-SteinwayI feel the same way. I've never been on a plane and hope to never have to. Watching these stories, make me never want to get on a plane.

[@wcate8301]

​@@Valentina-Steinway I spent 25 years flying for a living, 13,000 hours, no accidents. In that same 25 years I spent about half that much time on the highway, survived four accidents, none of which were my fault. Now where was I safer, in the air or on the road?

[@20truck]

No the mechanics did not think they were doing a good job, they knew they were skipping steps they knew that the inspector was acting as an instructor that is wrong he knew that. None of the people working as maintenance technicians on this aircraft diligently new and were trying to do the procedures correctly, they purposely we're skipping steps and doing procedures incorrectly and they should be held accountable for what they did.

[@nickolaiorlov4732]

some people root for the browns, some people root for the steelers, I root for the NTSB. they win EVERY, SINGLE, TIME

[@vickyabramowitz2885]

I'm always amazed by the way pieces of the wrecked plane are lined up to recreate the plane as close to what it once looked like before it crashed. It's quite a feat considering that the debris trail can be miles away from the crash site.

[@nickolaiorlov4732]

go check out green dot aviations video on Malaysian 370@@vickyabramowitz2885 i wont spoil it but I was chanting "N-T-S-B N-T-S-B" at my buddy who was listening to it with me at the time XD

[@ImOnAJourney]

Well said! I can’t begin to fathom the number of lives have been saved by the men and women who proudly wear those letters on their backs.

[@ImOnAJourney]

@@vickyabramowitz2885 Same. An insurmountable job … and they don’t stop until the reason/s is/are located. Incredible.

[@Defender78]

that's a bizarre way to put it, how they "Win every time", the NTSB doesn't issue fines or sentences, they find probable causes, it's not a winning... stop simping for the NTSB , and your football analogy, give us a break

[@jasonrogers8754]

I might be wrong but something just tells me that the employees knew that it wasn't just a fire drill as they were running out of a burning building that a plane crashed into but it's just a hunch I might be wrong. 🙄

[@54raceman]

No kidding you’d have to be the biggest idiot on the planet not to be able to figure that one out

[@rowerwet]

Got to love piston engine sounds on a turboprop aircraft

[@davidwilburn6314]

Yeah, I noticed that.

[@QwikiesWithAnais-wk1ms]

My boyfriend was an avionics tech in the Air Force working on C-141's, C-5's and transient aircraft mostly being C-130's. Two years after his discharge he joined the Army and the famed 82nd Airborne. Ironically, he ended up jumping from several of the C-141's that he had actually worked on.

[@jmflyer55]

Having been a Beechcraft 1900 pilot, and a CRJ pilot, (other aircraft mentioned) but especially the weight and balance issues, this is very familiar territory for me. Actually on one flight that’s a very memorable flight for me, back many years ago now was in a Beech 1900 and we had ‘Andre the Giant’ board as a passenger! Anyone who’s ever flown on a 1900, knows the cabin of the aircraft is very cramped, relative to other airliners you typically fly on. Andre was an immense man. The photos you see don’t do him Justice, trust me! To stand next to this man, is the only real way you can fully understand how big he was. He shook my hand as he boarded, his hands were like shaking hands with someone wearing a catchers mit. No exaggeration what-so-ever. Anyhow, that flight was the only time in several years flying the 1900 for an airline, that I actually moved a passenger because of CG was out. I had to move a group of people around the aircraft and assign Andre a setting position, which would allow the weight and balance to check out. 🙂 For those wondering, Andre was extremely friendly, cordial, and soft spoken. From the brief discussions with him before and after takeoff, I was left with the opinion that he was a kind and genuine man, and nothing at all like his onscreen/in ring persona. (which honestly, isn’t to surprising) All that being said, it’s one of my fondest (passenger related) memories of flying the Beech 1900D. It’s been many years ago now, but if I remember correctly, I flew him from Portland Maine Philadelphia PA. This occurred pre 9/11, so all the 1900 had at that time was a sliding cotton curtain between the cockpit and the cabin. And more often than not, we left the curtain open. The only time I ever meant sure to shut it was when the weather was bad, so as to not frighten the passengers anymore than they already were. As for flight 5481, that’s one of those tragedies that’s a pilots worst nightmare. Because there’s nothing any pilot, no matter how good you are, could have done to safely bring the plane back down. It was doomed the minute it took off. This is also a good lesson to fellow pilots that just because during preflight we always check flight controls ‘free & clear’, that something else related could still be wrong. For this reason, I personally have always made sure to at least check the records when service is done to an aircraft and what type of work was done. Not that this would have saved this particular flight, it probably wouldn’t have. But at least if I check to see what was done, I can place some extra emphasis on that item during preflight. The only 2 times in my flying (40 years) I’ve taken off and had a problem with the aircraft resulting in emergency landings, was when it was the first flights done after major servicing had been done to the aircraft. This has caused me over many years, to come to the belief that the most dangerous time to fly, is when an aircraft has just had some form of major maintenance done. BUT, keep in mind, it only happened twice, in literally thousands of flights after maintenance. So I don’t wish to cast a bad light on aircraft mechanics. Every one of them I’ve personally ever known, has been very competent and focused on safety, refusing to ever take short cuts. They have an excellent track record. I tend to believe it’s just because anytime you have something taken apart, something very complex, and reassemble it, if there’s any weak component anywhere that interacts with a new component perhaps it could mean trouble. But again, I’m NOT an aircraft mechanic, I’m a pilot. Aircraft mechanics and shops, are NOT like your average auto mechanics shop. And people need to understand that. There are many failsafes in place in an aircraft shop because they know the huge responsibility their work carries with it. All work is signed off on an aircraft, so even way down the line, they know everyone who’s touched it and what they did. Unlike a car. Anyhow, such a tragic loss this doomed flight was. And I agree that the least the airline could do is issue a formal apology. Which I’m glad they did. My condolences to all surviving family members of those lost. May they RIP.

[@lesliekloss3933]

Very informative,thank you

[@UBrickIFix]

My Dad used to run security at the Struthers Field House in Ohio in the 80s. Was friends with all the wrestlers who went there to wrestle. Andre was a massive man who was very sweet.

[@lindaoyler2463]

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[@mr.mcbeavy1443]

Yeah, everything I ever heard about Andre is that he's a great guy and humble to boot. Enjoyed playing cards at his favorite pub in his hometown.

[@rumbecker5085]

I have flown the 1900, on one flight I had a C of G at the aft limit with 4 fat 300 lbs ladies at the back of the AC. I asked the FO to get them to move to the front of the aircraft and they refused. I got up and told them they either sit in the front of the AC or get off, they decided to move.

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

Quite a few years ago I recall my cousin who managed a maintenance crew arguing with management and leaving precisely because safety standards were being bypassed. I salute him for doing what was right. I don't know if he followed it up with a proper report to the FAA or not. He did get himself out of the situation ... and am sure neither he nor his family ever took a flight on the airline he worked for.

[@rickwhite4137]

It feels so much more personal when you get to know some of the passenger. Losing a child must be the worst that can hit you.

[@house_church]

NTSB should have figured out these averages decades ago. There had been similar accidents. And the pre-check on the stabilizer could have been verified by means of a helper who could observe the full angle range.

[@maxxmich]

all who worked on that plane should be held accountable for the crash.. including the Inspector

[@jaysmith1408]

The inspector is the first one in the firing line, his license is on record. Buck stops with him.

[@conradanderson3928]

Based on the information in the final report, the mechanics involved were not given the training or support they needed to perform their jobs properly. The FAA and Air Midwest management were aware of the deficiencies at the West Virginia maintenance facility months before the accident, but did nothing to correct them.

[@fumblerooskie]

I'm always impressed when the narrator correctly pronounces "Bombardier."

[@SKYGUY1]

That's probably because he works in the aviation field for the Canadian MAYDAY series. Or maybe he lives in the French speaking part of Canada. I wouldn't expect that from your local TV newscast though.

[@jerrygranata445]

You mean it’s not bom-bar-deer? 😆😆

[@ShonMardani]

I don't think that the cable was the issue, it seems that the issue is the small elevator surface which makes it ineffective at lower climb airspeed.

[@AccidentallyOnPurpose]

I can't imagine knowing the feeling that you are about to stall, but all efforts to push the nose down fail and there is just nothing you can do.

[@chipdiamond5104]

I don't think I could ever handle the death of a child. It's just unfathomable...

[@doclewis8927]

The only good thing about accidents like this is that they didn't suffer. May they rest in peace. May the families also find peace, knowing that their loved ones didn't suffer any pain.

[@MarcOHagan-sb8xy]

No suffering at impact, but those last few seconds during the plunge would have been agony for the passengers

[@ILSRWY4]

I love how film makers seem to think that every propeller driven airplane is powered by a piston-driven engine and therefore dubs such a sound wrongfully into a turboprop airplane. LOL

[@michaelrivers5213]

Yup, that goes for other types of aircraft including rotary 😂😂😂

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Yeah I caught that instantly too

[@anjummirza1452]

This is a very tragic story. Condolences to the families of the deceased and the loved ones...

[@NewIpswichNarc]

I used to work in the largest aircraft bearing oroducing facility in the United States. The amount of incompetence, shifting tolerances, and rush to get a product out makes me want to never step on a plane again.

[@AudacionMusic-o1k]

This one of the saddest episodes of ACI ever :(( RIP Leslie and Gibbs and all those poor souls

[@searchanddiscover]

interesting to see the sub contracting issue brought up here given the recent plug door issue with alaska airlines.

[@IraRabinowitz]

Boeing removed the bolts holding the door plug and the door plug because they had to fix some rivets. They then replaced the door plug but forgot to replace the bolts. The subcontractor was not at fault.

[@wlodell]

Shifting cargo weight has always been a nemesis of aircraft safety. It brought down aircraft 80 years ago and it still brings down aircraft. Now as an old man I look back at decades of life experiences, 24 years in the USArmy, and a subsequent career at Boeing Airplane company. Since then I’ve traveled by air more of the world in various weather conditions and aircraft type. I’ve never forgotten the deaths of those I lived with and worked with. In the Vietnam war I was passenger in a helicopter that was shot down by enemy small arms fire; but all of us, passengers and flight crew, remarkably and miraculously suffered no physical injury. But many friends and members of our command would suffer injury and death. Later in life I’ve seen more air fatalities up close, here and abroad. There are certain airlines I will hesitate to fly on and certain aircraft I will not step aboard (Osprey is an example). But, having said this, no airline is immune to circumstances of hazard that extend beyond control. The 1986 space shuttle tragedy and debacle is another example of human error unchecked. There should have been a ‘public apology’ for that too.

[@djmatthewsol]

People are getting pretty husky these days.

[@CarriedAwayChannel]

I worked there and remember that day like yesterday. Such a terrible disaster and you could see everything from the windows in the middle of the airport.

[@scnurse]

That mechanic must feel really awful. I can’t imagine how he sleeps at night knowing what his laziness led to.

[@brianabc83]

Yeah, that supervisor guy must've been fired at the very least.

[@bonniemoerdyk9809]

It wasn't the mechanic that was lazy, he did what his supervisor told him to do. The supervisor on the ground w/the clipboard decided to skip several steps. The mechanic up in the 'undercarriage' was being trained on that particular model of plane. Supervisor needed to get up there and check everything out.✈🔧🪛

[@davidspampinato7916]

I personally knew the mechanic and the inspector. The mechanic is deeply disturbed by what happened that night. The inspector on the other hand is 6 time DUI driver and has no remorse.

[@jenvanderputten4277]

@@davidspampinato7916Did the inspector get fired?

[@dj6769]

Not sure laziness is the best answer, being over confident complacent or trusting the QA/trainer judgement implying the remaining steps weren’t necessary.

[@OfficeLinebacker-FJB]

RIP to all the people on that plane, and my prayers go out to all the family members and friends who lost someone on that flight.

[@esperanzamorales8354]

Thank you inspector Linda Ward for making U.S. Air commuter planes safer. Thank you for taking the time to make air travel safer for all commuters. I'm sure God is smiling down on you. I also want to thank firefighter, Cindy Overcash, and her fellow firefighters. Cindy's words about Capt. Katie Leslie were touching. Capt. Leslie's reward is in Heaven. Thank you to all involved. My deepest sympathy to all the victims and their families. All the passengers paid the ultimate price. May they all rest in peace. May our Good Lord comfort all the families and friends of those who perished. Please know you're not alone, people all over are praying for you.

[@maryleemanley7740]

By far the BEST advice I have heard yet. It's almost 15 years for me (skin cancer) and I also watched him slowly die over several years. I wish I had your advice 15 years ago. I still have dark days, but my turtles and exercising every day help so much.

[@sanfordberg4880]

I think the copilot/actor Jesse Bond in this Mayday:Air Disaster plays Capt. Marvin Falitz in Mayday: Air Disaster Northwest Airlink 5719. He does a great job in both but if I see him heading toward the cockpit, I'm getting off the airplane. The female air traffic controller depicted in this may also be the one in Mayday: Air Disaster episode US 1493/Skywest 5569.

[@bonniemoerdyk9809]

You have a good (photographic?) memory!🧠😊

[@mangos2888]

If he's headed to the cockpit, the plane has already crashed

[@aurelia2132]

This comment cracked me up, thanks!

[@Gaius_Sinstone]

People didn’t have to die for someone to finally say we need accurate weight information. Why haven’t there always been scales for us to stand on with our bags?

[@Missmori]

and if they weigh the passengers WITH their Carryon bags, it would also save people the embarassment of having to be weighed publically. which shouldn't have to be a thing, but fat shaming is a thing.

[@jackmessick2869]

In the 1930s to the 1950s each person WAS weighed along with baggage, and paid per pound. They think they can be clever and estimate nowadays, even though people weigh more and bring more stuff. I can't believe they thought 175lbs was anywhere near correct for an average.

[@starbucksjunkie332]

Try asking passengers their weights for a real total. You’ll get an answer of “how dare you”.😂

[@leslievey8453]

Only an idiot would find objection to information that would save their life .

[@benp3592]

Not as critical for large planes but as they pointed out for smaller aircraft some airlines are already using scales. Pretty easy to have everyone stand on a scale with their carry on before boarding.

[@54raceman]

@@leslievey8453i can think of a few people that you’d be taking your life into your own hands asking that question to

[@colleen5872]

No doubt woke policies

[@tennesseetreehugger1823]

I have been told that exact thing when some heard that airlines might be weighing passengers before boarding for weight and balance and yes, they complained about it.

[@daviddavidson9681]

As a former EMT with 17 years of experience I can honestly say that the trauma we see and we live through is NEVER over. I am still struggling with what I have seen.....six years after leaving EMS.

[@barryhoneycutt3894]

100% Good for those who make flights SAFER! That firewoman, and the woman NTSB, to me, are heroes> Not stopping until truth is revealed...Not bowing to pressure, but revealing what is RIGHT AND SAFE > My hats off to those! And the Airline portrayed who Apologized, un heard of for sure..... It does not bring a person back, BUT the family sees that the airline CARES enough to acknowledge the mistakes that caused their love one to perish! Just a 71yr old man from SE Texas with Common sense! ty MAYDAY AIR DISASTER > been a fan a good while

[@janegreen5301]

I appreciate your common scents. It appears the human factor was seen because of the women.

[@janegreen5301]

Sense

[@MrGoesBoom]

The sad thing is, the apology only happened after a lawsuit...they literally had to be legally forced to make the apology....which IMO immediately makes the apology worthless

[@iffykidmn8170]

calling someone a hero sure gets thrown around lightly anymore.

[@j-man6001]

Such a tragic loss, and yet almost entirely preventable. Prayers to all the victims families, may they all be at peace now...

[@rodericstanley2258]

This goes back to (a) using average weight, (b) not updating the AW number, (c) not properly weighting baggage. Also aircraft wing design that I dont know much about.

[@SaltyGT]

There is nothing wrong with the wing design.

[@sheripacori2097]

Sounds like there should be more checks on work done. Also a great serious attitude should be taken concerning work done to airplane. I am appalled at the lack of concern.

[@Stitchwitchstitch]

This packed so much punch. I just wanted to reach out and hug so many of these people.

[@badmonkey2222]

Flown through Charlotte airport so many times I live about 2 hour away in Fayetteville NC and that's where you go to change planes and I can't even count how many bug the same exact aircraft on US airways I flew on from Fayetteville to Charlotte back in the 90s and early 2000s. Just terrifying to think how many times I was on one of those exact type aircraft before this horrible accident.

[@richardkallio3868]

Nothing wrong with the Beech 1900D as long as it is competently maintained. This particular aircraft wasn’t.

[@Bob31415]

" I can't even count how many bug the same exact aircraft on US airways I flew ..." Please explain what you mean.

[@daffidavit]

I had the same question. Maybe he meant to say "How many BUY the same exact aircraft"?@@Bob31415

[@jgunther3398]

@@Bob31415 nothing bug to worry about. just a bug in the matrix bug bug

[@josemoreno3334]

May They All Rest In Peace.

[@RETlREDAVIATOR]

"20 lbs per (checked) bag"?!? That doesn't sound right! 🤨

[@clownshow5901]

what about all the junk they haul onto the plane and store in the overheads?

[@RETlREDAVIATOR]

@clownshow5901 Aircraft performance is pretty forgiving EXCEPT when limitations are GROSSLY exceeded or as in this case, a primary flight control WAS NOT functioning properly! 😪

[@grumpy3543]

I love the sound effects they used of a DC3 pre war piston aircraft. Come on guys. This is your only job.

[@JoeDplummer_]

I got tears in my eyes just imagining the pain these families felt. As a pilot I wish the weight and balance of the airplane would be observed more carfuly.

[@luisfernando5998]

Don’t lie u ain’t no pilot, just another looser

[@Turkmantravels]

i love this channel rip to those people who died

[@Uvray]

These documentaries are really very well made. This particular case was a very hard-hitting account, due to the human stories told. Rest in peace to the victims.

[@Cfolger]

My ex wifes dad was a air plane mechanic and if you saw the people working on airplanes youd never fly again!!!

[@conradanderson3928]

The pay is too low to attract good people.

[@IvanDaniel28]

some things don't need to be shared... 😤

[@deborahosborn5898]

@@Cfolger you know not what you speak

[@edzebrowski4445]

God bless the Shepard family and Christiana. Also God, please bless and keep in your arms all the people who perished because of this accident. Very sad.

[@johnshields6852]

The FAA says they learn something new from every crash, wow, that makes me feel better, doesn't it you. That's insane, avg weights, are you kidding me.

[@robertcunningham-n6k]

Yea, but they,re educated.

[@downieduck2414]

time they started weighing passengers -- some airline has said they will and of course all the chubbies getting offended.

[@ZeppelinR101]

​@@robertcunningham-n6k👎💯

[@rolandemartin854]

I Worked on aircraft maintenance in the Air Force (B-52's) During the flight crews power on preflight they would have someone on the ground phones checking that all the control surfaces operated as they were supposed to. From this video, it looked like they tested control movement on their taxi out to the runway. Just because the controls worked inside the aircraft doesn't tell you what the actual control surface is doing. I hope that they had someone checking outside as well!! If they didn't, I can see how this was possibly missed.

[@cmcer1995]

People doing their job correctly lose their lives because someone else doesn't do their job correctly, and innocent passengers and their surviving family members suffer horrendous loss with no real accountability for those that didn't do their job correctly. I am sure that the last thing attorneys for their client's airline want is to have them admit they failed and caused the needless deaths of innocent passengers. But those responsible need to feel the anguish for what they have caused to other human beings. The consequences need to affect those who didn't do their job correctly and made to "Feel" the pain "Personally" that caused the death(s) of another person's loved ones. Maybe then people will take their jobs seriously as if their own family member's lives were dependent upon their performance. May God provide healing for all those that lost a loved one in this unnecessary airline disaster.

[@davidlieberman6512]

The mechanics were negligent in there duties, in my mind they committed negligent manslaughter time 21, why did they not face any charges, or lose their jobs?

[@tylerthompson5859]

It's funny to me: the main cause of this issue was an improperly tensioned cable, coupled with too much weight and weight distribution issues, yet half of y'all are talking about people's weights, like those bags weren't four times the assumed weight AND were stored mostly in the rear of the plane. Wow. Way to miss the point.

[@camsfitness1745]

Yeah, it's mind boggling if you ask me. This wasn't a big plane either. While people's weight can play a part, everyone's acting like the large baggage didn't play a part. And not to mention the people working on the plane skipped steps when working on the cables that help control the rotar.

[@tylerthompson5859]

@@camsfitness1745 literally. The documentary literally says the luggage weights were 60 lbs over, whilst most passengers were about 20 lbs over the average. They say the maintenance team skipped so many steps that SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN. People still claim it's mostly obesity. Even though, you know, the tail flap literally couldn't EVER move low enough, definitely making it the main cause of the incident. I'm fairly certain they even said that even if it was the only issue that occurred, there was no saving this plane. It's amazing how people blame the passengers for the maintenance and service crews mishaps.

[@davidharris2519]

the pilot has the right to refuse the takeoff

[@davidb2206]

Forget the apology. I would want that mechanic put in prison.

[@Aprilsraven629]

In Australia on all small aircraft we get weighed and so does all our luggage, carriers have a strict policy on luggage weight and that includes milk runs where even the family chicken is weighed ... its a sight to behold but you know your safe