This video will make him more money than the recovery did. (And that's true for most of these recovery channels.)
@Mrbfgray5 ай бұрын
Yeah all the time. It's cool, looks lk fun and even useful for a few. Didn't get 2 pennies back this day.
@haroldishoy21133 жыл бұрын
Jason, I think your laugh when weighing the single tiny bead told the whole story, you may as well be gold panning in the Los Angeles River. Thanks for the demo and the detailed explanation.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@chancesadventures72103 ай бұрын
The real lesson... EVERYTHING CHINESE IS A SCAM.. it's costing the world many Trillion a year.
@rockbutcher3 жыл бұрын
The red colour was produced by the presence of Antimony (Sb). I've seen that in the slag from gold pours in mines where antimony occurred within the ore as stibnite. Stibnite in a floatation circuit will suppress other (perhaps gold-bearing) sulphides, so your chemistry has to be just right to avoid losing those to tails.
@ryanoberfield7562 жыл бұрын
i thought it could have been chromium
@Michael-rg7mx Жыл бұрын
I thought about mercury?
@Enjoymentboy3 жыл бұрын
So here we have literal proof that not all that glitters truly is gold.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@rockman5313 жыл бұрын
Looks like the 'Lord of the Rings' material someone was selling on eBay. They had a 55 gallon drum of them. Good Luck!
@uwillnevahno68373 жыл бұрын
Exactly looks like knockoff LOTR merchandise.
@redbaronrefining53223 жыл бұрын
I remember exactly these on eBay sold by the 55 gallon drum. Nice catch.
@scottdawson78053 жыл бұрын
Bead Purity: Simply, why did you not XRF the bead? Not knowing how many pounds of rings there is nickel and copper have value. My thought is to reverse electro plate removing the gold surface then the nickel and copper. Once the lab is set up electricity does the work.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@privateuser24633 жыл бұрын
reverse electroplating would be the most cost effective I think
@Dgafsranger2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the initial set up cost a pretty penny?
@johnsheppard14762 жыл бұрын
@@Dgafsranger The much better way is to use mercury to just soak the whole batch into it for a while until it strips all the gold plating from these!Than either evaporate/boil all the mercury or dissolve it in nitric acid and that's it!
@TheFoxygrandpa692 жыл бұрын
@@Dgafsranger electroplating is pretty cheap. You don't need anything special to do it
@elbowomar24303 жыл бұрын
Yes gold oxide makes red glass but that might be lead crystal that I've seen and I've seen Italian army desert service goggles from the 30s with purple red glass that's said to be coloured with gold.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rickpierson25863 жыл бұрын
Good video! What we can take from this is that it's not feasible to go after that little amount of AU. I think I would have tested with a magnet and jeweler acid scratch test b4 firing up the furnace.
@larrybobbitt84527 ай бұрын
You are the best Jason.From EAST Tennessee. I really enjoy your work all of it.Stay safe out there.
@biffedya Жыл бұрын
pretty amazing how thin gold plating can be ...one ounce of gold can cover an area of 950 square feet so if you get enough gold rings to cover 950 square feet you'll be in the money brother...awesome vids Jason
@grebulocities82252 жыл бұрын
It looks like they took an antimony-hardened lead alloy to make it relatively dense and hard enough to wear without deforming, covered it with a bronze alloy, and then flash-plated it with like a micron of gold. Definitely just a little too much lead to meet regulations, haha!
@Alondro773 жыл бұрын
And when they are all melted... One Ring floats on top, untouched... so bright, so beautiful... give to us, precious. It's our birthday! ;]
@kleptordemagnifico3 жыл бұрын
The story here is that we caught some hobbits on our mountain claim...
@CanadianTreasureHunter3 жыл бұрын
Gold went into the red glass as in the early days red glass was rare & those rings are from Lord of the rings Movie, You should XRF the Red Glass Slag & it might have your missing Gold
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@------country-boy-------3 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the exact same thing. My friend does glass blowing and when a gold bead is held in the flame in front of the hot glass the gold fumes off and sticks to the glass. Gold fume gives the glass a red/pink colour. He makes flower implosions and pipes. Silver fume is a smokey clear blue/green/white/yellow.
@pneumatic003 жыл бұрын
You could be boiling the lead (1744 C) for those bubbles. Usually, gold plated stuff yields approximately nothing.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
My furnace only reaches about 1200 C, but good idea!
@MysteryScienceTheater-uq9ht3 жыл бұрын
I don't remember if you had a video on de-plating using sulfuric acid as the electrolyte, but I think it would have been faster and cheaper to do it that way. The electrolyte is reusable.
@homesteadworks34483 жыл бұрын
I once read that Gold was used in the ruby glass making process to give it the ruby color!
@bfd15653 жыл бұрын
Never assume. I can save you the trouble as someone who actually processes precious metals. Don't waist your time with anything gold plated. You'll need a 1000 of those rings if they are truly gold plated to equal maybe a half a gram. My guess it's a Nordic Gold recipe of elements. Throw them directly into the trash...
@jackmclane18263 жыл бұрын
I guess that is what he did... otherwise the extraction would've been shown here.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
you're absolutely right. So little gold even on real gold plated jewelry
@richardbeee3 жыл бұрын
The red slag i would be willing to bet that it's Copper oxides. Although gold is known for its red hue on glass. Maybe XRF the slag?
@ursamines76433 жыл бұрын
Copper oxide is green…
@richardbeee3 жыл бұрын
@@ursamines7643 Also blue. Brown, even black
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johnmansell50973 жыл бұрын
This was one of the metals I tested for on an analytical XRF, copper would turn Borax red can’t think of any others.
@richardbeee3 жыл бұрын
@@johnmansell5097 Often ran across red slag while assaying high copper content in ores.
@svenp65043 жыл бұрын
8:17 The bubbles could be zinc evaporating... not sure what kind of low melting alloy they used but zinc is often a component of that kind of alloy. Saw the XRF... could be Antimony, it boils at 1500 C.
@Levent_Ergun3 жыл бұрын
I find it funny that these replica LOTR rings have enough lead in them to kill whoever wears them long enough just like in the movies.
@geneplummer66453 жыл бұрын
thats a good one , lol
@torchandhammer3 жыл бұрын
I wore one for 3 weeks and now I look like Gollum.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@ScienceFoundation3 жыл бұрын
@ 12:50 "It's super tiny, lemme pull it out" Kek
@BIGREDDOG092 жыл бұрын
@12:51 "but it's super tiny let me pull it out and..." I died.
@jasoncunninghambluejmc3 жыл бұрын
Reverse electroplating is cool too.
@jonnyrox1163 жыл бұрын
As for the bubbling in the crucible who knows what they put in Chinesium
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@fredrichardson97613 жыл бұрын
Great video! @sreetips on his channel pretty much confirmed what you're saying here - he has a few videos on recovering gold chemically (and I think electrically) from gold plated material and the reality (which surprised me) is that the gold plate layer is extremely thin and you end up processing a lot of material to yield a small amount of gold. I also think that however you attempt to do this it ends up requiring a ton of time and materials. It's really counter intuitive because it looks so shiny - but I guess it's true what they say about "all that glitters" and all that ;)
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the gold plating is suuuupppper thin. not much there. I like Sreetips channel
@buggsy5 Жыл бұрын
@@mbmmllc Yep. Look up the definitions of the various gold plated classes here in the US. We are looking at millionths of an inch (e.g. a few microns thickness). The bubbling may well have been lead boiling. Did the temp get about about 1740 deg C? When you did the cupel test, there was no need for the bismuth. All that lead in the rings will gather the oxides and suck them into the cupel. Also, your electric furnace must be quite leaky. Normally during an assay, the door is left open somewhat so oxygen can get in to oxidize the base metals faster and more completely.
@snarky_user3 жыл бұрын
The electroplating may be so thin that you're getting colloidal gold suspending in that borax, rather than settling out.
@rrfields653 жыл бұрын
I think you are correct, he should clean cut one of the rings in half to determine the plating thickness. It is much lower than vermeille , I would just grind up the whole lot and Aqua Regia it ...then sulfuric acid precipitate out the lead.
@douglaswhite39333 жыл бұрын
That’s what I was thinking too. Lots of reds in silicate glasses are from gold ions. The plating could have a tin base and in the crucible that could reduce it and make the gold go into the slag.
@snarky_user3 жыл бұрын
@@douglaswhite3933 that's a good thought.
@geistgefallene11163 жыл бұрын
@@rrfields65 I agree with your proposal - hydrometallurgy is much more efficient. he very stupidly rests against one of his own method of stove, everything goes into it, and electronic garbage and jewelry ... very stupid ...
@butziporsche86463 жыл бұрын
Jason, I subscribe to both you and Sreetip. Very interesting observing different techniques applied to extracting/refining.
@jordanbritten80313 жыл бұрын
Acid bath might be the way to recover the plating here.
@applecorc3 жыл бұрын
@@jordanbritten8031 I was thinking the same.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@nomerc36083 жыл бұрын
What AU? It was so thin it was just for looks! Rings like these will make you very very sick! Lead poisoning is no joke!
@teuth3 жыл бұрын
50% lead. thank you china, very cool!
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
haha, yep. Crap
@dustinmcdermont6993 жыл бұрын
Those things look and sound like the Sega rings from Sonic the Hedgehog!!!
@lucdaigle23948 ай бұрын
I think your rings are coated with an alloy called Nordic Gold, which contains no gold, but does have some tin which could account for the Sn in your XRF analysis.
@xxxm9813 жыл бұрын
That premium chinesium, lol
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
yep
@yannickgilbert6682 жыл бұрын
it could be a form of "Nordic Gold" which would make sense with tin content. Its composition is 89% copper, 5% aluminium, 5% zinc, and 1% tin.
@gortnewton47653 жыл бұрын
I'm at Gold Recovery School (and love it)!
@xdebugxDotNet3 жыл бұрын
My precious!
@Vivademort3 жыл бұрын
Should have done the test with,🎶"Five Golden Riiiings"🎶 🤣
@nathanswartz22583 жыл бұрын
Have you ever refined silver brazing wire? Specifically “easy flo 45” it contains zinc, copper, and cadmium in the alloy
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
No, but sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip
@thejll3 жыл бұрын
Put the borax under the xrf - perhaps gold went into it and gave that colour?
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Ill check
@rikusauske Жыл бұрын
The lead probably vaporized at those temperatures and we're boiling under the borax. That would explain why it turn the borax red
@seymourpro60973 жыл бұрын
Note also a range of alloys that look like gold, one of which is called Prince Rupert's alloy. Basically a gold looking brass.
@ProfaneGod3 жыл бұрын
Gold plates best to silver and silver best plates to copper and i am guessing copper best plates to lead so i guess the shine of the rings is probably due to the amount of copper added to karat gold alloys to give it that typical gold ring colour we all know.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@gasptis85342 жыл бұрын
About those bubless, many speculations are that they are caused by boiling metals but i found few comments that seems more logical to me, that it could be boiling borax (1,575 °C; 2,867 °F; 1,848 K). If your furnance got that hot it might cause it to evaporate. I will go with that theory because the metal on the bottom seems quite still (on the other hand the liquid borax looks very "mad and bubly")
@Mrbfgray5 ай бұрын
Who doesn't love playing constructively w FIRE? 😀
@MrMackievelli3 жыл бұрын
Ha, without even watching I can tell you that thwere is less than a gram. I made the mistake of buying the smaller group and out of 3 kilos of material I got .3 grams.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Yes, not much gold!
@MakingUsThink3 жыл бұрын
Jason seems there might be more gold on a gold leaf ice cream desert than those rings?
@Wowonder13 жыл бұрын
possibly mercury bubbles means gas, use a respirator to be safe, we have a natural mercury 'spring' nearby quartz and close to the spring appears pink and/or red foreign mined gold unregulated may have been processed with mercury
@meettheworld62413 жыл бұрын
Could the bubbles forming under the borax have been from a metal getting so hot in the mixture that it was vaporizing instead of oxidizing?
@user-lb8do4ew6k3 жыл бұрын
Thats what I assumed, arsenic boils at 690c/1130f.
@meettheworld62413 жыл бұрын
@@user-lb8do4ew6k Oooooo... arsenic VAPOR... that just SOUNDS like some dangerous stuff! Lol
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the idea
@noname-lu9hd3 жыл бұрын
the reddish brown coloration might be from gold itself, in glass making in the old days they used gold for coloring glass in the same color
@KK-xz4rk2 жыл бұрын
Yes colloidal gold is similar red but because there was almost no gold its not that i suppose.
@noname-lu9hd2 жыл бұрын
@@KK-xz4rk you dont need much of an element to make a big impact in such things, only trace amounts of gold for example are needed to make a computer processor hundreds of times
@coyzee1 Жыл бұрын
Considering the furnace temp is almost 6 times it's melting point, perhaps the bubbles are from the lead vaporizing.
@buggsy5 Жыл бұрын
There is a huge difference between the melting and boiling temperatures of lead - as is the case with most metals.
@ProfessorDantheScienceMan3 жыл бұрын
Lord of the rings would have been much shorter if you had been there
@hiddentruth19823 жыл бұрын
they are probably made using a press. that means a little container shoots out and back to fill the die and it's pressed in to shape. it's not the most accurate way of doing it weight wise but it is fast.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Good idea
@boone77777777773 жыл бұрын
Rubies are basically compressed aluminum oxide. Maybe the slag is red because the ring had aluminum in it as well. Perhaps the ring had aluminum and trapped air and that's what the bubbles were from. Even tungsten can get air trapped in the metal so
@rrfields653 жыл бұрын
I corundum!
@5in1killa Жыл бұрын
The rings being different weights is probably because jewelry rings are different sizes for different people, That stack on the scale looked like different sizes to me.
@jakev19723 жыл бұрын
You should call your furnace the fires of mount doom
@StreetMachine183 жыл бұрын
i would make about 400 ml of aqua-riga. (HCL and nitric) use it as a rinse and dip each ring in till the plating is gone the use some sodium metabisulphate to cement out the gold. You would have to use sulfuric acid to cement out the lead and then filter it before hand but if you follow streetips he explains it better
@filonin23 жыл бұрын
*sreetips
@StreetMachine183 жыл бұрын
@@filonin2 you're right! thanks! I know I'm not the only one who watches both of these channels!
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip
@markbailey60513 жыл бұрын
You could snort that and it wouldn't even get you high, hahahaha
@joek5117 ай бұрын
This is the first time I saw this video. I remember those rings on e bay. The seller claimed to have several 50 gallon drums full of them. I think 700 lbs. He was trying to sell them for gold recovery. I refine gold so they caught my eye, but my brain said no way. The company that produced them new darn well they were worthless or they would never have let 700 lbs of them just walk off. Think about it. 1% of 700 lbs, 7lbs of gold, not. They were made for the movie Lord of the rings. Note the markings.
@dexterdan25743 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Much love from Australia
@marklestergamayon73618 ай бұрын
Nice cool and good for learning 😊some are not pure even its 24 karat 999% they put add copper or bronze to gold by 10 percent plus other kinds of metal
@drexplode93093 жыл бұрын
Good work, useful information Support from India 🇮🇳
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@samphillips00311 ай бұрын
I love my tabletop furnace
@jonathansonnier30782 жыл бұрын
Try using 5 parts HCL to one part Nitric Acid and see if you can get the gold in solution. I’m sure you have done it before but it works really well for gold plated and gold filled items and if that is silver in there the the silver will separate from the gold and you simply filter it out then drop the gold out of solution and you end up with a gold powder when it’s dried that u can melt If there is 200 rings there you should recover 6 grams .03 x 200= 6 right ? Seems like it’s to much lol
@wilsonrawlin8547 Жыл бұрын
.03% PERCENT. Equals .06 grams of gold.
@buggsy5 Жыл бұрын
It isn't that simple. The HCl reacts with the surface of the silver and any tin present - passivating them and preventing them from being dissolved. That is why nitric acid boils are used until silver is no longer detected in the boil liquid.
@ThepowerfulArbiter2 жыл бұрын
nice to see where all those facebook ad lord of the rings went.
@KowboyUSA3 жыл бұрын
Even if Au is as much as 7% of the plated surface, that's still an infinitesimally small amount of elemental gold contained in each ring.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
agreed
@depthbrewedrollers.87933 жыл бұрын
Question: why did you use borax this time? On your other videos you use that sand looking substance that turns into glass, but this time you use borax. Also, at the beginning of video u mentioned about bismuth. And last question: why do u alternate between the electric little heater and the home made furnace with propane bottle. Im somewhat new to this but taking lots of side notes on paper and pen.
@clearwax2 жыл бұрын
So with such a low amount of gold, would it be more cost efficient to remove the gold? With heat or acids (like electronics)? …or is it not even worth it with that little gold?
@briangoldner40953 жыл бұрын
Zinc boils at 1665F so that was going to be my guess but it didn’t show up in your xrf zap.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
could be
@hateonskillz3183 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering my email and giving some advice its not as cut and dry with cupel and I'm sure I'll get it over time to see the flash you showed in a previous video of when it goes from oxides to gold ill see the flash day lol
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks and good luck!
@coreygold19233 жыл бұрын
Best way I think would be sulfuric cell but man theres definitely not much on those eh. Thanks from Ontario Canada. Also was wondering if you seen my message about the ic chips. I have about 150 kilo of very high grade and prob 500 pounds of low grade.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Going to try sulfuric next. I'm going to pass on the chips, but you can probably find a buyer easily for them
@coreygold19233 жыл бұрын
@@mbmmllc ok thanks anyways. Yeah with the gold corned bga chips yielding anywhere from 5 to 10 grams per kilo of caps I really wanna do the process because places like board sort pay well for lots of items but not the high yeild stuff. I figure theres about 250 to 500 gram of gold total in all my chips. Maybe in the near future I will buy a table. Thanks and keep up the great vids
@marklestergamayon73618 ай бұрын
Are those same ring finger sizes ? Why the weight is different from each other ?
@filonin23 жыл бұрын
8:00 The bubbles could be boiling borax as it's boiling temp is 2867 F and something may have lowered it's boiling point in the melt a bit if it isn't that hot.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip
@au_rockn67972 жыл бұрын
Awesome content
@OvisHerder12 ай бұрын
Jason, you should colab with Streetips. He breaks down plated materials using the chemical method. He could do that entire lot.
@colinrountree43253 жыл бұрын
Good video 👍informative 👍
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Rob337_aka_CancelProof Жыл бұрын
You can use sulfuric acid to get rid of the lead in solution if I'm not mistaken
@markopittman28333 жыл бұрын
You know it kinda looks like my dads old formula for making and casting bullits. strange i thought.
@anubis200499992 жыл бұрын
I think the best thing you could have done was keep fire on the crucible and the mold as your pouring out the alloy. I think the borax would be less of a problem
@dovidmh98253 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed it immensley! Thank you! I hope you get very wealthy and enjoythy🔥
@reina49693 жыл бұрын
It really seems like a quick chemical process to flash remove the surface gold would be best.
@scrappydoo78873 жыл бұрын
That's not really possible unfortunately, in my experience, you can only remove gold like that from glass or reverse electroplating
@reina49693 жыл бұрын
@@scrappydoo7887 Well my idea to do it quickly, almost as if it was a mechanical process. There is so little gold, and it is all on the surface. It might only take a few seconds to do a batch. You could put a few rings on a plastic hook and dip and swirl in acid for a few seconds looking for a color change before reloading with more rings. The after you are done with a 1000, process the acid and see if the gold drops out of solution.
@torchandhammer3 жыл бұрын
@@reina4969 What kind of acid?
@reina49693 жыл бұрын
@@torchandhammer My guess would be an Aqua Regia solution. Hit it hard and fast.
@scrappydoo78873 жыл бұрын
@@reina4969 I don't think that will work. You will end up with very badly contaminated gold and the two things you don't want in any solution. That's lead and tin
@scrapman5023 жыл бұрын
If these rings have ANY gold in them at all, the best way to extract the gold in them cheaply is a sulfuric acid stripping cell. All you need is a battery charger, a pyrex dish, A Lead Bar and some Sulfuric acid Drain cleaner. Since the rings have a large surface area, they should be easy to de-plate quickly. (2-3 seconds each.)
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I'm going to try that next!
@scrapman5022 жыл бұрын
@@mbmmllc Did you ever try it? It's been 10 months!
@imrebalogh27863 жыл бұрын
I got this red slag color couple of times when I melted silver with 1% copper.
@gyvren2 жыл бұрын
645 rings to rule them all! 😉
@rgleason88srt43 жыл бұрын
Smiggle would be in heaven
@MrMackievelli3 жыл бұрын
lead(II,IV) Oxide is red. It used to be used in bricks and paint.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks
@Alrik.3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting experiment! :D
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@michaeldenison73393 жыл бұрын
Red enamel is made from gold. Making it the most expensive enamel. Reds, pinks, some oranges have gold in them.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Rob337_aka_CancelProof Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the little Electric furnace and how hot does it get will it get to 2100 F? If so could you please share a link because it's the perfect size for me?
@Emsdork2 жыл бұрын
Wait... I thought there was only one ring to rule them all... not a million!
@jeremyhess7977 Жыл бұрын
Just a theory - The bubbles in the molten metal are probably caused by the burning off of all of the Chinesium.
@trentsmith81608 ай бұрын
I can NEVER get this 14 min. of my life back!! 😭
@AshChildOfGod5 ай бұрын
Same
@stevewoods81162 жыл бұрын
Need to be able to recover the lead, it is worth more than the gold.
@williamperry45192 жыл бұрын
Lead also oxidizes and flows into the cuple. Watch cody'slab
@animalanimalanimal16223 жыл бұрын
Sweet!
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@risaias3 жыл бұрын
Not completely sure, but bubbles might be from volatilization of lead which I think occurs at about 1000c
@Masterymagic3 жыл бұрын
Easy way to strip the gold would be electrolyte cell. If you are interested in the idea, I can link a video or email you the link where a guy does it to military pins.
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, going to try a sulfuric cell in the future
@roywhipple49233 жыл бұрын
I think it's called Stromium it's supposed to have a red color when it oxidizes
@liamdtraxxas20113 жыл бұрын
Sreetips on you tube is the man whn it comes to using acid, he would of been able to refine the gold, the way your doin it is another way to do it. 👌👌👍
@filonin23 жыл бұрын
*sreetips
@liamdtraxxas20113 жыл бұрын
@@filonin2 my bad I caught the t button
@mbmmllc3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@markklemkosky52143 жыл бұрын
The bubbles look suspiciously like boiling. Not sure if you got it hot enough to boil antimony.
@danimalreviews28823 жыл бұрын
A mix of HCL acid and clorox is used fkr stripping gold off of plates and glasses, it may work on those rings, worth checking it out
@kesakhan3 жыл бұрын
glass is mostly inert to acid/oxidizer mix, the metals in those rings wouldn't be