McDavid could achieve what Jagr couldn't

Connor McDavid is on pace for one of the best careers in NHL history, drawing comparisons to the likes of Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky... But is Jaromir Jagr a closer comparable? In this video, we highlight statistical parallels between McDavid and Jagr while asking the question: can Connor McDavid score 2,000 points?
#edmontonoilers #mcdavid #pittsburghpenguins #jagr

[@DUFFNOTDUFF]

All McDavid is missing is Jagr's silky head of lettuce

[@robintaylor-mockingeemill8223]

And dont forget Jagr had to move to a different country to follow his dream .

[@elliottryan13]

Amen, brother!

[@jasonkh4]

and two Stanley Cups

[@Chakdefatte194]

And jagr’s massive backside.

[@jeffvallance5407]

Yes for sure

[@wnsbug]

Jagr did those 8 years during the dawn of the dead puck era 😱

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

Yup. Pretty damn impressive.

[@johnnytweed]

Came here to say exactly this.

[@user-bl6so2iw3y]

Not really. Early 90's were higher scoring era than today's NHL

[@lukebruce5234]

and 3 years in Russia and 3 lockouts

[@EarlofSedgewick]

Dead puck era was more 1996-2004 lockout where the rules changed. Basically when the Devils showed the trap could work consistently until it became impossible.

[@JStark98]

Similarly to Crosby, a fan wishes both of these players have been healthy their entire career to enjoy their greatness even more. Really hoping to see one of these 2 players hit the 2k point mark. Hopefully both can remain healthy so we can witness this achievement

[@brycejonathan384]

If crosby never missed a game 2k points was on the table but there is no way he will do it now, mcdavid definitely has a chance if he can keep things up especially if he has more 150 point seasons but im sure he is more concerned on team success than point totals now.

[@rydenhaze10]

if jagr stayed in nhl, with no lockouts and would he pass Gretzky is goals and get 2350-2500 points?

[@YouSirAreNoob]

I was curious of this too and for shits n gigs last weekend I ran the numbers with my friend based on a 7 year average for Jagr (extrapolated this value for the missing years) and no he still came up well short of Gretzky. I didn't write down the values though sorry

[@YouSirAreNoob]

Just did a quick check, he missed 2004 (obviously) but had he been able to play and scored similar to 2003-04, and then had all his pts in KHL been in NHL for 08-09, 09-10 and 10-11, he'd have been a bit shy of 2200 pts (still more than 670 pts shy of Gretzky)

[@moody9442]

but he wouldnt have. jagr didnt even score enough goals those years to equal gretzkys goals. his goals would be 856 scoring 90 those years. if he stayed in the better nhl he wouldnt be scoring 90 and no he wouldnt even have 2000 points.

[@fliplife67]

The question is moving forward since no team in Canada won the cup since the 90s how huge would it be if Mcdavid does win 1 in Edmonton.

[@hellfire5108]

Jagr even went to Russia for 3 years so he would have more points. But he himself said that he doesn't care about statistics, he just loves the game.

[@moody9442]

jagr didnt score enough goals or points those years in russia. his goals would be 856 scoring 90 those years. if he stayed in the better nhl he wouldnt be scoring 90. would he have more nhl points? yes. but you can see what he did in russia add them and its still not close to anything gretzky did. those points in the khl would be less if he stayed in the nhl.

[@colbystruble2893]

To me why McDavid is the best In the world his speed and skill is part of it but his timing and Awareness and how he processes the game way faster then all players

[@user-gk2ir4ml3t]

I compare Conner to Bobby Orr. Different positions, but their creativity , instant quickness and both showed us something new every game. To this day, I have not seen Orr's moves duplicated by anyone.

[@davidcutler1486]

numbers are not the same as dominance and accolades conor is right up there with mario as he has been the number one player for 5 years and will be probably be for another 5-7 winning more art rosses and probably more harts as well as a rocket or two

[@Meerkatx5]

I'm interested to see how McDavid's game evolves into his mid to late 30s when he (most likely) won't be noticeably faster than everyone else on the ice. Same goes for MacKinnon. Both these guys rely on crazy speed to burn defenders.

[@edited1325]

With their hockey iq I doubt that they won’t adapt easily and change their game as they age

[@Frizzyy]

both are smart players MacKinnon has elite shot and stick handling while McDavid has elite passing and stick handling so i recon they will be just fine.

[@SupplementalSense]

If McDavid creates most of his scoring from his speed, then I don't see the same level of success in his 30's. Jagr's success didn't hinge on his speed, he was a brick house and you can keep being that as you age.

[@CC-of5xl]

His game has drastically changed over the past 4 years. This also happens to be when the Oilers pp took off and that's not a coincidence. His in zone play early in his career was still good but now he isn't just the best off the rush player but the best in the Ozone. Players can no longer bully him in the slower areas. He uses his size and puck handling to win the majority of puck battles now.

[@BLTSxndwich]

thought you were ryan gosling at first oml

[@benkeating3053]

What's that? Playing in a league without the 2 line pass? Playing in a league with pads 2 inches narrower? Or playing in a league where defensemen won't stand you up at the blueline?

[@cdorling6]

Seriously

[@karattkensair9891]

Yup. I played defense and I didn't get many goals but I was #6 I league for points due to my assists. Don't know about the league but my +- was #1 on my team. Why you may ask. I played the man. Not the puck. A no no in today's game. I miss Bob Probert.

[@claydouglas2526]

@@karattkensair9891lmao. Good for you Uncle Rico

[@litterbug1483]

Longevity is why I don't think Ovenchicken will beat Wayne Gretzky's goal record

[@moody9442]

true. take way those 2 ten game goal streaks and hes left with 10 goals in 60 games. hes wont have those streaks next year.

[@johncraftenworth7847]

unlikely, very few players have that sort of longevity

[@MarksWorkshopcrft]

Yeah, all MacNugget is missing is a conference championship and 2 Stanley cups😂😂😂😂

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

Jagr was fortunate to start his career on a star studded Penguins squad, not to demean his contribution, but seeing as how he never won again; it certainly helped. McDavid has definitely experienced more of an uphill battle in fighting for contention. But he’s only 27.

[@ml.2770]

I'll back you up on your assertation that the people who say otherwise are wrong.

[@SalmonSnake80]

McJesus is McJesus

[@doaftheloaf]

in jagr's case, not so much couldn't, but just didn't. jagr spent 3 years in the KHL in the middle of his career during which he would have easily hit 2K. mind you, coulda, woulda, shoulda would have had 66 at 2500 at the very least if healthy, and possibly ahead of 99. but mario wasn't healthy. jagr and mcdavid are not the same. i suppose with the speed and skill each possessed, you have a point, but 97 is a center and 68 was a winger. i mean, who really is a closer comparable? it's hard to find. maybe crosby, but even his game is quite different from mcdavid.

[@MrABN86]

It’s crazy to think that Jagr would’ve had well over 2k points if he hadn’t gone to Russia for 3 years.

[@alesdrobek2512]

Such a shame Lemieux couldn't play all those 20 years and at full strength and Jagr went to Russia in his prime, just when he was doing 60 goal/100 points seasons in Rangers. Those all time statistics would've looked very different. Lemieux would almost certainly be second in points and first in goals and Jagr would be third in points and possibly second in goals, after Mario.

[@BaenGeiwn]

Lol what? Why lie so blatantly? On the Rangers he peaked at 54 goals and 123 points. Never got even close at 50 goals since while he did hit 90+ points with 96 once. He wasn't going to score 60/100 again ever. And I'm not putting him down, he's a true legend. A legend doesn't need delusional people to lie for him.

[@user-uf3rh8kf9s]

McDavid stands a great chance of surpassing Jagr's career points of 1,921.

[@user-uf3rh8kf9s]

At this rate, McDavid stands a great chance of surpassing Mario Lemieux's career assist ratio of 1.13.

[@BaenGeiwn]

Surpassing is one thing, holding it to the end is another. He'd have to ramp it up even more and then retire way before he's "too bad" to play at any standard.

[@RaineriHakkarainen]

In high scoring 1980s NHL 8 goals per game! Today under 6 goals per game! Auston Matthews have scored 54 goals in 63 games this season! If Matthews had played In 1982 he would had scored over 100 goals! Ovechkin ERA only 5,3-6 goals per game! If Ovechkin had played high scoring 1980s he would had scored over 1200 goals easily!! Canada have 650000 hockey players! USA have 500000 hockey players! Ovechkin's Russia only under 80000 hockey players! Canada and USA should have 15 guys players who have scored over 800 goals like Ovechkin!!

[@justinschoenwalder5902]

Are you sure there's nobody on the east side maybe Tampa that can hold up to him

[@matthewsecord7641]

Conner can't bring a cup to Edmonton when the Oilers defensive models keep watching the puck and not taking the player. He's absolutely the best overall player in the game. He could easily score 50 goals every year if that was his focus. Leon is Conners Malkin, a true beast that will forever be in the shadow. When Conner is down, Leon is the fucking MAN that can carry the team. They aren't going anywhere until the rest of the team specifically the 3rd and 4th forward lines and more importantly the defense pairs are coached properly. We are seeing guys like Domi and Bertuzzi stepping it up in Toronto, but again, let's look at defending. Same thing. Edmonton and Toronto have all kinds of talent but both are getting eaten alive by depth teams in the playoffs. Florida or Boston will CRUSH Toronto. Edmonton will be smashed to piecesvby Vegas or Vancouver when it matters.

[@mycatsloveeachother6648]

WOW. So is Gretzky still the GOAT? It's almost like a different game nowadays.

[@handsomejustin]

Gretzky wouldn't even make it to the AHL just on his conditioning alone. If prime Gretzky played in the NHL, he would be skating at half speed of current players and gets obliterated. However, with the contioning and sports medicine, could he keep up and dominate in today's league? He might, but I would say no because that never happened. you're playing with what ifs that don't exist. You also can't guarantee those conditioning and new way of high speed high skill playing wouldn't keep him out of the game from the injuries. So no McDavid is the GOAT and likely doesn't have anyone like him again soon since sports medicine is already at its peak now.

[@Nalleteus]

IF Jagr would have not went to KHL in 2008-2011 he would have about 230 more games in NHL and close to if not 200 more points

[@moody9442]

jagr had 145 khl points... he wouldnt be getting 200 or even 150 or even likly 100 in the much better nhl. especial when you look at jagr only had 268 point from his return to departure lasting 6 years.

[@Nalleteus]

@@moody9442 He was scoring at good Pave before KHL years and some years after so If he would have played those years in NHL he would have had like 65 points each season that would Be 195

[@dallasburgess5329]

I wish McJesus would focus on pure goalscoring for a year...just to see what he can do. Era adjusted isnt real 😳 McDavid could do more in the 80s, but he wouldn't have been as in shape, or as fast had he been born into that era. He woulda been smoking and drinking cokes on the bench like everyone else😂 Similarly, had Wayne been born in this era, he woulda been a protein pumped gym rat, like everyone else in this era.

[@RaidersRants]

This is all hype how dare you compare the two

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

Lmao

[@kyle5778]

Hes better than Mario and Wayne, but he plays in a different time, a single player doesnt take over as much as in the 80s and 90s.

[@janniknielsen9292]

He is not better than Mario.

[@TranslatedAssumption]

So what exactly couldn't Jagr achieve?

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

2000 points

[@Nalleteus]

Yea but Jagr is from Europe and maybe didnt think about those Nhl records as much and went into KHL in 2008-2011@@WhatsHappeningHockey

[@georgebaigent8078]

The great prospects, Orr, Lemieux, Gretzky, Crosby, etc, all delivered multiple Stanley Cups. McDavid isn’t anywhere close.

[@Raumance]

Crosby had 0 cups in 2013... It's a team game. It's a pretty stupid metric in that aspect. And just idiotic to argue against McDavid's greatness with that. And when you go back to Orr's times it's not exactly as competitive as in the modern eras.

[@evanbrown2594]

What!? He has two finals appearances and 1 cup by 2013. How can you not know this?

[@PonAdidas]

@@Raumance Crosby won in 2009, his fourth season.

[@tomasm2128]

Jagr could have achieved more if he didnt change jersey. Also 2 lockouts NHL season in his prime (maybe 1 of them was in his prime) and 3 years break in Russia, didnt help. McDavid also could achieve more if he wasnt drafted by Oilers.

[@doaftheloaf]

jagr on the 02-06 penguins? that would have hurt his point production, they were a god-awful team. then again, sakic once managed 100 points on the 12 win 89-90 nords, so i guess it's possible. mcdavid can't win because no one in the oilers' front office knows how to build a balanced team. old boys' club from the 80s oilers still thinking it's the 80s.

[@ironcity4182]

He had to leave because of money. Pens had to let him go unless he wanted minimum pay. After Mario got the pens still money problems.

[@ironcity4182]

@@doaftheloafbecause they had to restart the team from bankruptcy.

[@doaftheloaf]

@@ironcity4182 I know the reasons, but it’s still a fact.

[@lukebruce5234]

@@doaftheloaf he'd play with Lemieux

[@Imnotactuallyadrinker]

Jagr has something McDavid doesn't, a Stanley cup.

[@lengonator79]

What? Never win a cup? 😘

[@1joshjosh1]

When was issued with a wife . And the other has had more Beaver... Then I have hair follicles

[@Legosiguess]

Underatted

[@connerjoyce187]

Mackinon just has that dog in him mcdavid doesn’t have. You see it with the aggression , he’s softer than Nate . Will never win a cup.

[@15DurangoRT]

Get a room

[@saifonlawrence2044]

McDavid will never win a Cup in Garlic City.

[@rere8858]

Mcdavid will never achieve what Jagr did because simply put, he’s not as good as Jagr. Jagr played in the dead puck era when defenders could use both hands to hug a player to try to stop them. And Jagr could still shake them free and dominate the game. And for second half of his career, Jagr played with no name centres or ahl centres and he still dominated. If Jagr in his prime played in this era, he would still dominate, if Mcdavid in his prime played in the dead puck era, mcdavid wouldn’t be able to gather speed in the neutral zone because he would have defenders draped all over him, rendering his greatest asset useless

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

I think you make an interesting point here, but guys like Pavel Bure who relied entirely on speed were still able to produce in the deadpuck era. It’s not a perfect comparison but the main difference is McDavid processes the game faster than any of those guys did. I don’t disagree that Jagr would have produced in this era, he proved he could be a formidable player well after his prime. I do think though that his skating would have held him back from achieving the same heights he did while in the dead puck era

[@shibbyjim]

McDavid already greater than Jagr

[@kennyg1358]

Ha

[@mattvargashasyourback]

Ol red in the face will never win a cup, I got a lock of Celine Dion hair and ketchup chips you don’t know the voodoo I doodoo. If you’re Canadian, just say something nice about the Avs and it’ll stop

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

Check out our Sakic video. Curse is already broken.

[@john2669]

Jagr won a Stanley Cup! McDavid is playing for a team who will never win another one…. C’mon, Edmonton… I love ya but you are a graveyard for No. 1 overall picks

[@yesmaybe7466]

You got a little something on your nose…

[@rafalpruszynski1707]

McDavid isn't even half of what Jagr was

[@Mike-zf4xg]

you shouldnt put your face in the videos

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

It would seem that one of us is more afraid of that than the other. Thanks for the views and interactions, Mike. Come back and comment anytime.

[@douglepong]

Jaromir Jagr is just as good as Gretzky and Lemieux.

[@datsyukiansanderov7184]

Nope. Not close to Gretzky.

[@hanslilja3873]

My god for god sake jagr was totaly unbelivebel to look at and he is defintly 1 of The best player in The history but if you are comparing him whit LEMIEUX AND GRETZKY you just have to be sick in your head its enough that you are writing that ha haha😂😂😂😂my god I can see that you dont understand ishockey at al lloolll LEMIEUX and gretzky is just 2 of The players how is coming from another world you cant even compare this 3 players lemieux and gretzky was so much more unbelivebel outstanding that its just totaly rediculous of you to be writing what you have been writing MY GOD 😂😂😂😂😂lolife

[@doaftheloaf]

pfft, mario taught him everything he knows. lemieux, gretzky, and orr are the best three players ever, in some configuration. then there's everybody else. jagr's a top 10 guy, but not a top 5 guy.

[@douglepong]

After reading all these replies, I'd even make the argument that Gretzky's mid and Jagr carried Lemieux. Gretzky tends to score on his own net, and Lemieux's point production is still less than Jagr's on average. The Czech Republic beat Canada with the help of Hasek in net. That's with Gretzky holding Canada back. If it wasn't for Joe Sakic in 2002 Canada would only have 1 gold medal in Olympic hockey. You're all looking at players with a bias, seen through a Canadian lens that shows them as being the greatest of all time.

[@doaftheloaf]

@@douglepong what season that lemieux and jagr played together did jagr have a higher points per game? oh that’s right, never. clearly you’re just a troll. your argument against 99 is even weaker. and hasek is the ONLY reason the czechs won that gold. the most dominant extended stretch any goalie has ever had, and it’s why he’s the best goalie ever. so your bias argument is shot too.

[@soccermtb13]

Matthews is better at scoring, Mackinnon is faster and more explosive. You're wrong.

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

1. I didn’t say McDavid was the best scorer 2. I didn’t say McDavid was the fastest skater.

[@soccermtb13]

@@WhatsHappeningHockey you said he was the best hockey player, which isn't necessarily correct if you can find players who are better than him at literally everything besides an all star skills course that he set up for himself. Mcdavid is one of the best players in the league right now, but to say that anyone who thinks someone else might be the best player in the league right now is inherently wrong.... well you're opening yourself up to a lot of criticism there bud.

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

@@soccermtb13 Controversy can drive interaction. It brought you to comment on this video twice. No doubt Nathan Mackinnon and Auston Matthews are fantastic players. But holy shit look at McDavid’s point production. Look at his point per game average. Look at how long it took Mackinnon to become TRULY elite. Look at how fast it happened for McDavid. For me, watching Connor play is simple enough to realize: “I have never seen anything like this”. There is a jaw dropping, shock factor that comes in the way he dominates. Mackinnon has become an incredible player. But he’s not McDavid.

[@doaftheloaf]

auston is a better GOAL scorer, but the assists are way off. mcdavid creates more offense. mackinnon is a better comparable, but he still doesn't put up the numbers mcdavid does. i hate the oilers, but 97 is the best player in the league.

[@AdamMCrawford]

"McDavid is one of the best players in the league". Lol what? McDavid is far and away the best player in the league, only complete casuals or biased fans think otherwise. If you watch hockey or have any ability to understand stats you know it's not even close. Your logic that if other players are better at other aspects that means he isn't the best is laughable. I guess we can't say Gretky was necessarily better than Toews because Toews was a better backchecker. Gretzky also wasn't as fast as Bure, so I guess Bure was the best player? How does that work exactly?

[@HarryRiceHockey]

"Connor McDavid is the best hockey player in the world" Nathan MacKinnon says otherwise, I stopped the video after that statement. Also Jagr could achieve what McDavid couldn't, he won Cups.

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

You think Mackinnon would call himself the best player in the world?

[@onthinice6893]

Mackinnon isn’t even the best player on his own team

[@FC-tq1yj]

Nathan got in McDs head before the Oilers were swept by Colorado when he said... and I'm paraphrasing... X player is the most difficult player to play against... X player (forgot who) wasn't McDavid.

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

@@FC-tq1yj Based on what I could find, looks like he was talking about Phillip Danault. And no doubt Danault is a better defensive player than both Mackinnon and McDavid.

[@FC-tq1yj]

@WhatsHappeningHockey maybe... it was two playoffs ago... as an Oilers fan myself... I was like well played Nathan... well played... lol... whether McKinnon believed his own comment or not... I believe he got in McDs head ... lol.

[@nostressnostress9367]

A lot of nonsense in this video. It’s completely obvious to any experience hockey fan that regardless of what the numbers say McDavid is a lot closer to Lemieux and gretz than he is to Jagr

[@WhatsHappeningHockey]

Dont understand how an Oilers fan could watch this and get butthurt. (Probably because you stopped watching after 45 seconds lmao). It’s comparing McDavid to one of the top 10 best players of all time, essentially saying he could crack the top three if he wins and continues to produce. Nonsense comment right here.

[@johnnytweed]

I’ve been watching hockey for 40 years. You couldn’t be more wrong.

[@nostressnostress9367]

@@johnnytweed You think you’re the only one? narcissist much?

[@johnnytweed]

@@nostressnostress9367 I stated my experience, and then stated my opinion. That doesn’t make me a narcissist. What’s with the slander?

[@lukebruce5234]

@@johnnytweed 39th in goals this season btw "comparable to Lemieux" my ass

[@handsomejustin]

McDavid is the best player OF ALL TIME. Hockey players have never been better and even 10 years ago, some blue line players wouldn't make it to the NHL today. So McDavid having same stats as Jagr makes him way above him in skills and he could easily obliterate Gretzky and Lemiux. But if Gretzky and Lemiux had the same training could they become as good as McDavid? No. Because it never happened, you can't say for sure they will nor can you guarantee they won't get injured. There's no what ifs, so McDavid is simply the GOAT until the league gets better with another player who's even better which I highly doubt since we already hit the peak of human conditioning in sports.

[@peterolbrisch8970]

In 25 years, people will be talking about today's players the same way that you talk about yesterday's players. I only hope that you live long enough to hear it.

[@handsomejustin]

NO they won't, because sports medicine has already platued. And most people in North America can't even afford rent let alone paying thousands of dollars letting their kids play hockey. Do you hope that you can live long enough to hear it tho?@@peterolbrisch8970

[@lukebruce5234]

So the best player OF ALL TIME is 39th in goals this season while in his absolute prime? 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡

[@kennyg1358]

Stop embarrassing yourself

[@peterolbrisch8970]

@@kennyg1358 Thank you for that.👍👍👍

[@handsomejustin]

Gretzky wouldn't even make it to the AHL just on his conditioning alone. If prime Gretzky played in the NHL, he would be skating at half speed of current players and gets obliterated. However, with the contioning and sports medicine, could he keep up and dominate in today's league? He might, but I would say no because that never happened. you're playing with what ifs that don't exist. You also can't guarantee those conditioning and new way of high speed high skill playing wouldn't keep him out of the game from the injuries. So no McDavid is the GOAT and likely doesn't have anyone like him again soon since sports medicine is already at its peak now.

[@jogendron6320]

Worst comment ever 😂🤡🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Childofbhaal]

You can easily just flip that entire argument. If McDavid didn’t have the benefit of learning from decades of sports advancement he would be entering the league at Gretzky’s time with a wooden stick and trash equipment and nowhere near as much knowledge of the game as it hadn’t progressed at that point. We don’t know these things. Great players are built off greatness that came before them. That’s how they learned, that’s how to sport evolved. It happens to every single sport

[@handsomejustin]

Yeah except that it didn't happen for McDavid. He's by far the most skilled and fastest skater in the NHL amongest all the modern players with the benefits of sports medicine and training. Gretzky wasn't. If we compare to McDavid to Gretzky, Gretzky would not have even made it today's AHL. There are no what ifs in history. @@Childofbhaal

[@Childofbhaal]

@@handsomejustin That’s my argument.. put McDavid in the day without all the players to learn from, the advancement of the sport and you have no clue how good he could be. He is a product of decades worth of advancement

[@lukebruce5234]

@@handsomejustin Yet grandpa Jagr was able to score 66 points at 44 years of age in a season where only one guy had more than 90. And he was never even close to Gretzky and Lemieux.