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[@mrandrews3616]

5:43 "A good game of football, a good punch up and a good pissup." It means he wanted to enjoy a football match, have a fight and get so drunk he forgets which foot is right and left.

[@martinscholes2023]

One of the reasons I love Rugby so much. NO one drinks harder than a rugby crowd but we mix before,during and after the game. Never any hassle, just good bants

[@timphillips9954]

That is changing now with money coming into the game. It was true thirty years ago. Go and watch youth rugby if you want to see real violence.

[@jamesd2251]

Utter bollocks mate. I've seen enough rugby lads fighting in social club car parks and discos after a few jars and a game of soggy biscuit. Just because they don't kick off in stadiums or are organised firms doesn't mean they don't throw punches every now and then. "we can all sit together and have friendly banter while we suck each other off".-English middle aged rugby fans. The tribalism in football is what makes it the greatest sport in the world.

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

Most sports don't have groups of hooligans.

[@sputukgmail]

@@jamesd2251sounds like you are talking about rugby UNION…my experience of LEAGUE is that it is very much a family atmosphere both at games and before/after. It’s an extremely rare exception for anyone to do anything that needs any intervention at all - and it is FAR from middle class ;)

[@martinscholes2023]

@@jamesd2251 I can only speak as I find. In my younger days I followed Forest home and away and saw loads of violence. Years of going to Leicester Tigers home and away and the odd trip to Twickenham - nothing but good times.

[@sputukgmail]

I found it funny with your struggles trying to understand Danny Dyer - don’t worry, probably half of us Brits struggle too ;)

[@MrVidification]

his accent is easy for most in the UK, the guy before him is more of a challenge

[@sputukgmail]

@@MrVidification Danny Dyer? When he tries, and more recently like when he’s presenting, or he knows he’s being interviewed and has to be clearer, he’s not too bad to understand. When he was younger and speaking excitedly, it’s like he’s talking a different language. Maybe you’re more familiar with the broad cockney sound?

[@C24680]

​@@sputukgmail He's more Mockney than Cockney!

[@LB-wn6ur]

@@C24680As the daughter of an East end London cockney women I conquer….if Dannys accent is Cockney then I don’t know what that is anymore 😂 he does a very very bad impression of a cockney to try and sound hard for movies, but sounds like a mug as far as I’m concerned.

[@AndrewAHayes]

It got crazy, my mates were on holiday in Spain and there was a near riot in a Spanish coastal town by England fans, a father on holiday with his family had nipped out for a pack of cigarettes and got picked up by the Police and deported, he had only been there 24 hours, my mates said he walked in to the cafe wearing beach shorts flip flops and a t-shirt and bought a pack of ciggarettes from a vending machine and walked out and was promptly pounced upon by the police and beaten up thrown in a van and they didnt know where he went until they got the english newspapers and he was in there complaining how he had been treated and that he looked nothing like a football fan

[@timphillips9954]

I was there in 1982?

[@AndrewAHayes]

@@timphillips9954Yeah thats when it was!

[@Grib68-]

I can’t think about American football without remembering the Pennsyldelphia pedos,the Mincinatti mincers and the Tampon bay terrorists.

[@marksavage1108]

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[@paulhadfield7909]

in70's and 80's there was a lot of poverty and violence, it was a bad time all round

[@lyndarichardson4744]

I remember the English fans being hosed across the street with water cannons by the Gendarmes when they were fighting in Marseille !

[@steezeysteve747]

Italia 1990 when football changed forever , one of the best hooligan documentaries out there

[@mickymantle3233]

It's a tribal thing.

[@scouseofhorror104]

Agree. If there was no such thing as football that mentality would just find something else to 'defend their castle' over.

[@AudieHolland]

Regarding the Heizel Tragedy, where an old wall collapsed because of all the people fighting and pushing, here's how violent the situation really was: the fighting broke out *before* the match had even started, the wall collapsed, dozens of Italian fans died and hundreds were wounded... And then they still let the match being fully played because the authorities were terrified that canceling the match would cause an even greater riot in the city. In British English slang, getting pissed does not mean getting angry but getting drunk. So a piss up is the drinking activity.

[@gavingiant6900]

Modern football as we know it today, with on pitch rules etc would be from Sheffield FC. Sheffield FC (1857) is the oldest football club, even recognised by FIFA to be so. It should have been earlier, but the rules were written on things you'd generally find in a pub. They were told to do it properly and come back again, it was added to over time to refine it even more. Not long after, American football came onto the scene.

[@dazo69]

UEFA riots in 2016 and the Russians fighting the 'English' Don't make me laugh, all our hardcore hooligans are banned from travelling the people the Russians attacked were more or less normal fans.

[@markdonovan8884]

Correct. When English and Welsh firms had managed to get there the Russians had already gone home. I know, I flew with a load of police who knew banned hooligans had found ways to get to France. In Marseilles they were beating up families and scarfers.

[@dbasher9974]

I suppose the key thing with the US is sheer distance. It’s difficult to hate/ have rivalries with teams that don’t have a large travelling fan base. Our rivals are 10 miles away and then any random team maybe ~80 mile away average. If your state only has one team per sport, there’s never going to be any ‘proper’ rivalry etc

[@peckelhaze6934]

We had some crazy times within my lifetime. " Mods and Rockers" -- Scooter riders (mods) against motorcycle riders (rockers) would frequent punchup's. Most notably Brighton Beach clash. This was followed by the "Skinheads" against anyone. Football supporter violence is EU wide and still is. Many fans from England would spend the match in an EU jail before kickoff.

[@timphillips9954]

I had some great Friday nights by the clock tower in Brighton in the 70 and 80s waiting for the fans of the London clubs getting of a late night train for a night out in the Brighton night clubs.

[@RobertTaylor-gz2fu]

But English fans are notorious.

[@julianbarber4708]

Most of the Mods and Rockers violence was just beachfront scuffling, until the Media got hold of it, and started predicting upcoming violence, which weirdly then happened.

[@vallejomach6721]

It's both ironic and tragic that the measures put in place to combat hooliganism caused more deaths than the hooligans did. The Bradford fire death toll was higher than it could have been because of the policy that had become common across the country to lock the turnstiles after kick off until well into the second half...most of the deaths were around the exits...people burnt to death whilst trying to escape but couldn't because they were locked in...And the deaths at Hillsborough were not a result of violence but because of the 'safety' fences that grounds had to install and police incompetence.

[@GayJayU26]

Most of us were totally ashamed of these supposed representatives of our culture.

[@HeatherMyfanwyTylerGreey]

The blame of hooliganism solely being landed on the working classes is senseless, many of these gangs were organised by criminal classes from those considered Middle Class - working classes in the 1970's could not go overseas it was a time of high unemployment - yet hooligans managed it. They were loathed by a great majority of the working class who were prevented from going to games with their family, by fear! In 2016 both Wales and England Qualified for the European Cup. Wales Fans drank before the match and sang in the stadium and cheered and made friends with the away supporters of the other team. The Cafe's and the bars, shops loved the Welsh fans and at one match they even returned a lost little boy to his daddy. English Fans went home in disgrace - again. Not all the UK was the same.

[@albinjohnsson2511]

Regarding the difference between the US and UK/Europe. I think it has a lot to do with economic structures. In the US, sports are top-down. The TEAMS are owned by billionaires, who want to appeal to as many people as possible. Hence they package their "product" into a family-friendly event. In Europe, the CLUBS are social organizations founded by local communities. They have their own academies, women's teams, other sports, and social outreach programs. In many countries in Europe, the clubs are still owned by the supporters. Hence, they are more deeply invested in their clubs, which becomes a symbol for the whole community. Every European club worth its name has its own set of songs, tattoos, bars, etc. It's a culture. (Of course, the singular focus on football helps a lot). As an aside, the Prem is now by far the most commercialized and capitalistic league. It has also become the league with the least impressive tifos, most crowd control, most tourists in the stands, etc.

[@sutty85]

😂 main football clubs are owned by billionaire's. The reason its because teams go back over 120 years and support is rooted from religion to generations of family supporter's.

[@drewhyland9574]

He said a game of football a punch up(fighting) And a piss up (drinking session) Those subtitles were wild ...😆✌🏻🇬🇧

[@101steel4]

R.I.P EL Tel

[@user-is9ci4te4x]

It very interesting that there are always 2 sides of the coin many people talk about how wonderful the 70s and 80s were but there are the other sides to the story, there was much social unrest, war, strikes, poverty mixed in. This is true of most decades.

[@timphillips9954]

The social unrest was far less than it is today and I don't remember any poverty. I remember freedom of speach, being able to walk to school and playing football in the street,. getting a slap by the police for anoying the old lady down the street. Honestly apart from health care of today I would go back to the 70s without a seconds thought.

[@me5969]

​@@timphillips9954there was absolutely poverty in the 70's. Half the docks and mines were shut down. The amount of Northern English, Welsh and Scottish towns that became slums is unbelievable. It really is just nostalgia. People who grew up in the 80s will always tell you how perfect that was. People in the 90s will always tell you how perfect the 80s were. Even depressingly adults who grew up in the 2000s will tell you how amazing that was.

[@careytitan9097]

@@me5969 Yeah but we all stuck together back then, unlike today and how divided our communities are. In 1973 the UK was hit by an oil crisis that sent the cost of the black stuff soaring. It was a fallout from the Yom Kippur War: Oil giant Opec (which at the time dominated around 60 per cent of the world’s oil market) stopped supply to the West. We joined the EEC/EU in 1973 then we had mass unemployment and strikes as our few British jobs were taken to socialist Europe. Thatcher gave Germany our massive coal fired industrial furnaces which they still use today!

[@danieloliver4558]

Correct in the same way that people complain about life now and you remind them what life was like in 70s and 80s, even into the 90s. People have it really easy now

[@jswmonkey197]

@@danieloliver4558 Exactly. My 70's/early 80's was Dad on a 3 day week or to his shame on the dole at times, Mum doing night shift at Burtons biscuits, waking up to ice on the inside of windows, dinners of homemade soup and angel delight, hand me down clothes etc. etc. People (a lot of) these days are just bamboozled into thinking that if they don't have everything that the media and advertiser created world throws at them they're living in poverty. They have no idea what it really means to be having a tough time.

[@dustyscabbard5327]

I'm not sure if you researched that or not but you nailed it on the head when you wondered about a diversity of sports, Toffs had cricket, horse racing and lawn bowls/bowls where as younger lads and gals or the less wealthy had the local football club to where they were born, Two clubs a town or city away would and still can get abit tastey, Not so much more though now thankfully but my brother born in southhampton who is in his late 40's, Good jesus he has some tales and metal plates in his knee from.....A goading on his behalf met with his leg....yeah metal bins and knee's shouldn't bend that way... It has calmed well down now tbf...Apart from europe that's still saucy.

[@alexdeacon8622]

Check out Portsmouth vs Southampton on Copa 90. Gives a great insight not only into that derby but how serious football violence was and still can be.

[@shaunsmith2914]

It became a thing where the away firm's aim, would be to invade (take) the home firms stand (often sneaking through the turnstiles as home fans). Once in, group together and start a chant and then hold your ground as long as possible, either till they were beaten out by the home fans, or dragged out by the police. They could then claim they had come to your ground and taken your turf, making them the harder firm. Then comes your turn to go to their ground for the away game, and try to take their section of the stadium. Each firm has a preferred section of a ground, and away fans will know which it is.

[@chipsthedog1]

Some clubs had gangs/groups associated with them and in some cases they would carry calling cards a bit like a business card that they would leave with the rivals they had beat up, I even heard that in some cases they would pin them to their skin with drawing or safety pins, I do not know if the pinning thing was true but the cards definitely existed I've saw two years ago one from the Chelsea headhunters and one from the ICF which was West ham and stood for inter city firm

[@SteveT--UK]

.... "Your head has just been rolled by the Portsmouth skull patrol". 657 crew.

[@chipsthedog1]

@@SteveT--UK yep that's the kinda thing I wish I could remember what was on the couple that I saw I seem to remember that one of them at least seemed really cheerful if you didn't know.

[@samolevski1119]

After Heysel, when the government clamped down on the violence, Thatcher's words about taking the leaders to court meant that in many cases, the police lied wholesale, and magistrates believed them. Everyone taken to court was said to be at the front of the group, or was seen giving orders - I went to several court cases purely in the public gallery as an onlooker, and i was shocked that what the police said, was often very different from what i had witnessed with my own eyes. As a result of the police lying to get themselves credit or promotion, people who were often just a bit drunk and loud, had a criminal record or even a prison term. Obviously guilty people were also punished, but very often the courts would believe the police no matter how ridiculous the evidence was, as magistrates had never been anywhere near a fight and never knew that the account given by the police was more like a comic strip joke than a genuine street fight.

[@flakrat459]

5:28 he sead "a good game of football, a good punch up and a good piss up that's all about millwall"

[@DapoOlasiyan]

I was caught up in a couple of fights in the early 90’s but that was by accident and not design. I actively avoided firms and due to my size I was approached a couple of times esp after one of the fights I found myself in. I had spent like 15 years away from the UK and when I got back I stupidly did not recognise the “uniform” and went to football with a bunch from work and ended up in a ruckus.

[@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies]

Awww they attack you because you're small and you got beat up 😔

[@DapoOlasiyan]

@@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies 🤣 yeah reverse everything you said.

[@BIATEC88]

The Mill Wall supporter on the coach said "it's about a good game a football a good punch up and a good piss up and it's all about Mill Wall". There you go translated by a London Boi who's grandfather supported on Mill Wall.

[@thomasferguson5478]

Think the big difference between football and American sports is that football is a very local thing with lots of long term rivalries, for example London probably has half a dozen football teams. It’s like if the Bronx were playing Queens, America doesn’t have such a local connect to teams or interstate rivalries

[@mikesaunders4775]

Arsenal, Chelsea ,Crystal Palace Brentford, AFC Wimbledon, Fulham, QPR, Charlton, West Ham, Leyton Orient, Tottenham Hotspur. Sutton United. Millwall.

[@KeithWilliamMacHendry]

Actually football trouble was more endemic in Scotland prior to becoming trendy in England in the 1970's, though it was more spontaneous in Scotland than organised, drink fuelled. As per usual, the English are represented as the whole of Britain. Perhaps in this case, this is actually beneficial to Scots & Welsh.

[@MrVidification]

The English and US media often say England as a synonym for Britain, or vice versa. Whether an influence or not, the identity of being British is much stronger in England

[@gstev6812]

​@@MrVidificationDoubt

[@scouseofhorror104]

Gotta say well done subtitles for almost keeping up with early days Danny Dyer! 🤣🤣🤣

[@grahambyrne7868]

The guy at 6-25 actually looks after kindergarten kids as his job lovely guy 😂

[@grahamsangster1042]

I remember getting off a train in Edinburgh,with 2 lines of police from our train straight over to another train,the police said they were helping us haha

[@jswmonkey197]

Yes, what I remember about travelling away in the 80's was the Police treated everyone as though they were going to be trouble. They were as good as instigators of trouble sometimes when people reacted to their heavy handedness.

[@Mike-po2gx]

Philadelphia Eagles. We are aware of American Football. I think Randall Cunningham played Quarter back for them.

[@marksavage1108]

Its a basic tribal rivalry, I go visit friends in North Wales and they dare not go for a drink in the next village. You are guaranteed to brawl if you invade their territory. What football grounds should do is build a fight venue next to the ground. Have a police presence, a solicitor for waivers and medical staff. No weapons no biting and let them have a go at each other. individuals or in packs of up to 5 a side.

[@fox0yeah410]

TRANSLATION Good football = A game one plays mostly with ones feet. Good punch up= A bloody brutal fight. Good piss up = getting drunk with your mates then waking up with two women you dont remember yet are very happy to see your awake for a repeat. You asked mate. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@daniell2040]

I don’t think you have reacted to the hillsborough disaster yet. I’d recommend looking at it as it is a large reason for bringing in seating

[@kirstygunn9149]

Even though it has got better people that live near football clubs / live in the nearby towns, know not to go out to the area on big game days . for example if Derby is having a home game, don't go to Derby shopping as the traffic will be bad and foot traffic will be crazy near the bus station and train stations it's just common sense. There is very little disruption by fans, but the place will be more busy than usual due to visitors from the opposite team. The cities with bigger/ more famous teams will be even more chaotic.

[@anthonypope8429]

Do you get any fights in USA with your football I live next door to my local football club there is not much trouble but it can get really out of hand when it all kicks of with fighting

[@joshuabruce9599]

I think the bloke at 5:30 said this: "All we're going for. Right. Is a good game of football, and good punch-up and a good pissup. That's all about 'it and all/Millwall'." (The last two have apostrophes because I'm not sure what he said).

[@InkblotSatan]

He briefly mentioned the Hillsborough Football Disaster but he didn’t convey how truly horrific it was.

[@emeraldstandardconsultancy5959]

He said btw a Good game of football, a good punch up, and a good piss up. thats all about millwall

[@jameslewis2635]

Translation of the guy on the bus 'All we want, boy, (is) a good game of football, a good punch up and a good piss up - that's all (there is) about Millwall'. For context 'punch up' means fighting, 'piss up' means getting drunk and Millwall was one of the clubs most associated with football based violence through the 1970's and 1980's.

[@Isleofskye]

He died,many years ago,as a penniless alcoholic in Crawley,West Sussex. "Harry The Dog" was his nomenclature..:)

[@Scaleyback317]

Loyalty is never overrated. Male aggression, ignorance and lack of insight into consequences for action of themselves and the group - there's the problem. When national service was a thing, a couple of years having the aggression channelled and in many case the chance to see the real consequences of violence up close through a myriad of wars/terrorism/actions largely tempered the many yet stimulated the few for more. We had a system where lads could join the military at the age of 15. They would undergo a two and a half year training programmed (an apprenticeship for those who had the wherewithal to take up a tech trade alongside their mil training as did I. This later changed to 16 which is a shame, those youngsters lost a whole year of being trained by older soldiers whom they looked up to and respected and yes - learned from. They also continued their traditional education during this period. Many came in unable to read and write - some of those went on to reach university standards. Young men are nuts - there's no hiding from that. We males are not fully and decently functioning until we are in our twenties. The best soldiers are frequently those between 18-22 where they are both physically and mentally just unreasoning machines controlled by those older and better educated and honed into a positive grouping as opposed to the negative groupings so often discovered as a channel for them and their, as yet, underdeveloped minds and consciences. Some never progress from that many do and turn into first class citizens more able to put the needs of others before themselves. Losing both that boyhood soldiering channel to manhood and the national service was a huge social mistake for this country and we have suffered from that ever since.

[@MrPagan777]

We have a number of sports which are big over here: football (obviously), rugby, cricket, tennis, motor racing, and more. The Barmy Army is a loosely-knit conglomerate of fans who follow cricket around the world for several months of the year. As you can deduce from this, there are thick people here, and not just in the US - although you do have us beat there, hands-down [sad face]

[@wayneprice2737]

The guy on the bus was harry the dog from millwall he said ( we go for football a piss up and a punch up that's all about millwall )

[@cryogenixoldskool5803]

Football Firms are still rife, especially in the lower leagues, i was at Stockport vs Wrexham earlier this season and it was a bit mental

[@alfsmith4936]

I thought they were too busy defending statues..

[@spikeus3039]

After Heysel it wasn't fun anymore it became serious, it changed my mindset!

[@rjart4]

I got a good hiding at Exeter I went in the home end with a mate just the 2 of us Plymouth scored we cheered right in the middle of them, then they set on us, we were so drunk it didn't hurt until next day, spent a few hours in the police staion, 1995 I think.

[@timphillips9954]

Yep that was a nuts derby

[@karlwillo7677]

at 5:50 he says a "Good game of football, a Good fight, and a Fuck"

[@wildwine6400]

Green Street is well worth seeing. Its about football hooligans, but the main character is American. So you get an American perspective on something completely new to them

[@c_n_b]

Football Factory is better 😁

[@ashscott6068]

@@c_n_b And I.D.

[@ChrisH3729]

@@c_n_bEven The Firm is better than that.

[@markdonovan8884]

Dreadful film. There hasn’t been a good hooligan film since ID and the original The Firm with Gary Oldman is the best

[@fatsam2.549]

he said his seen it

[@gstev6812]

The man should have named the video "England's most hated subculture" he barely mentions Scottish stuff which was extremely pivotal and generally more violent.

[@timtaylor7364]

hw said "A good game of football, a good punch up and a good pissup (getting drunk) - thats Millwall (london football team whos fans had a reputation for violence)

[@carlkamuti]

A quick David Icke cameo at 7:30 🤣🤣

[@Isleofskye]

Felicitations. Nothing sadder than seeing Middle Aged Men acting like "Old Skool" hooligans however this MILLWALL fan enters his 8th decade next year so I can no longer be classified or termed "Middle Aged" so, presumably,I am exempt from such censure and chastisement:). The Millwall guy on the coach said "I go for The Piss Up and Punch Up, that's what Millwall is all about!".He died, a penniless alcoholic in Crawley, West Sussex. At the end in the Pub, the Presenter said that they could get "ironed out" meaning any differences with rival factions could be sorted out in a, less, than amicable fashion.....😀

[@juliehillman8743]

A good game of football, a good punch up and a good piss up. That's Milwall. I have translated the best I could. Better than YT captions. They are hysterical.

[@gibjamie]

Jimmy the Giant makes some great content and as a side issue he wasn't half bad at Parkour.....if i was to recommend one of his videos to you then it'd be "How Freerunners Battle FEAR" as it gives a great look into the mentality of this particular Urban sport

[@zebraforceone]

Lol I thought we were going straight in on chavs too. Football hooligans are dreadful but you don't really encounter people behaving like that unless you go to a match. Pretty sure he said he said "All we go by, is a good game of football, a good punch up and a good piss up. That's all about Millwall". As in Millwall are about a good game, a good fight, and getting drunk as shit.

[@lyndarichardson4744]

The only time Ipswich ever imported the Met Police and their horses for a home game, was when they played Millwall 😶

[@Isleofskye]

Felicitations. Nothing sadder than seeing Middle Aged Men acting like "Old Skool" hooligans however this MILLWALL fan enters his 8th decade next year so I can no longer be classified or termed "Middle Aged" so, presumably,I am exempt from such censure and chastisement:). The Millwall guy on the coach said "I go for The Piss Up and Punch Up, that's what Millwall is all about!".He died, a penniless alcoholic in Crawley, West Sussex. At the end in the Pub, the Presenter said that they could get "ironed out" meaning any differences with rival factions could be sorted out in a, less, than amicable fashion. IPSWICH? See you on Wednesday Evening @8pm sharp at Portman Road

[@lyndarichardson4744]

@@Isleofskye Eeeek, I give Ipswich a wide berth when Millwall are around. Anyway Ipswich FC will thrash Millwall 🙂

[@Isleofskye]

@@lyndarichardson4744 There is no way that I am arguing with a Woman who, genuinely, has exactly the same name as the Girl who initiated me to the joys of Women at a Party at the house of a work colleague, who was rather hoping to be the chosen one that night in Surrey..lol

[@BulldogMack700rs]

"lots of British people coming over fighting them when they dont expect it" youve just described the average European view of English holliday makers lol

[@whataboutme7174]

It's a well known fact that the biggest reason for the significant reduction of fotball violence was the explosion of ecstasy & the acid house rave scene around 89 & onward, such was the effect of the love drug

[@dmorph249]

That is clearly nonsense. It was more to do with legislation and increased surveillance. What are you on about??

[@whataboutme7174]

@@dmorph249 do some research instead of just parroting the mainstream media naive fool

[@CaptainBollocks....]

He said "a good game of football, a good punch up, and a good p*** up. That's all about Milwall".

[@YourBeingParanoid]

I know of a couple of people involved in this - it's mainly done away from the football altogether. More like fight club.

[@emeraldstandardconsultancy5959]

tbf would pay to watch the firms vs the russian ultras. but seems a bit unfair as the firms have been retired like 20-30 yrs and the ultra's are basically setting up training bootcamps in the woods to train up for the fight

[@emeraldstandardconsultancy5959]

i remeber when i was younger going to watch leicester city. and id be annoyed every game we would have to have a minute silence before the match in memory of whatever person was stabbed after the last game

[@rjflores438]

What is it with American people not realising that not all English people speak with a posh received pronounciation accent. The guy had a Manchester accent from the North West of England walking on a terrace row housed street similar to what you would find in an east coast city like Philly. This is the side of the the UK the tourist brochire doesnt show you.

[@alexbramley6346]

after inventing football, rugby, tennis, golf, and more.. no it is not the only thing we focus on.. just a branch of the same tree

[@atomic_lolly7541]

The UK is an island race with a tribal mentally. Football fit's perfectly when you imagine each team as a tribe and tribes fight when they meet. Add that to the amount of alcohol and drugs taken and the lad's were up for an epic day. If you're ever at a match and someone asks if you've met his mate Stanley run.😂

[@Dan_druft]

All though I never got involved the Inter City Firm (West Ham) was a part of the culture back in the 80s. A lot of my mates who were doing pretty well for them self needed an escape from their normal routines. Some were solicitors and had other high paid jobs and they often asked me to come along on a Saturday. It was all arranged over the phone where to meet up for a punch up none of the public were in danger yet the press made a big deal out of it. It was just young guys letting off steam and they would come back to the pub with black eyes etc laughing lol Happy Days.

[@geoffmelvin6012]

This isnt a UK sports fan issue.... There wasn't trouble in any other sports... It is specifically a football thing.

[@80s_kid_80s]

I started going to footie mid 80s last time I went was mid 2000s 4 reasons of time and money but must have gone to 500+ games and 4 life of me I don't recall any trouble b4 during or after guess I was to young or to drunk to remember lol

[@Codex7777]

Tbh, it's a culture that's largely disappeared. Even at it's peak, in the 70s and 80s, it was only a tint minority, even amongst football fans and an even tinier minority in the population as a whole. Unfortunately, the reputation lingers and people are quick to jump on any perceived problems involving British fans and English fans of the national team in particular. In all such recent incidents, they've been shown to be victims of violence or misconduct, rather than the perpetrators. England fans and fans of English teams are pretty well-behaved nowadays. Tbh, I suspect that the ban on English clubs competing in European competition was, at least partly, motivated by the fact that English clubs were dominating European competitions. It took years for English football to recover from that loss of experience. Meanwhile, the football violence and misconduct was as bad or worse, than in quite a few other countries, yet no similar ban has ever been imposed. Nowadays the worst hooliganism by far is in certain Eatern and Southern European countries. Russian fans are probably the worst but Russia was awarded the World Cup! Italy, Turkey and aseveral Eastern European countries aren't far behind. In contrast, fans from Western and Northern Europe, including the UK, are pretty well-behaved. Football in the UK still has the occasional incident but they tend to be small-scale and rare, rather than te norm and nothing compared to the past, or to what still occurs in various other countries but, as I said, the reputation still lingers, unfortunately...

[@samolevski1119]

I'm wondering how old you are and how many games you went to back then. The hard core thugs are and were a tiny minority, but those willing to get involved when they thought there would be no repercussions from the courts, was much higher. There were no cameras when I started going in the 1970's and it was in full swing by then, very little chance of being arrested and courts treated you like the average Saturday night pub fighter if you did end up there. Think of Arsenal's North Bank, Chelsea's Shed, Man Utd Stretford End and many others - they all contained several thousand people, 90% of whom would throw punches if given a chance, so not a tiny minority at all. The majority were not hard core thugs but mere hooligans, which is a big difference.

[@Codex7777]

@@samolevski1119 Ah, the old, 'trying to discredit a person's argument by their age' card, lol. I'm 60 as it happens. Most games, even in the 70s and 80s passed without any major incidents. There were more major incidents and fights away from the grounds but it was still a tiny percentage of fans involved.

[@samolevski1119]

@@Codex7777 I agree most games passed off without major incident, but I never said otherwise. My point was in reply to the assertion it was a tiny minority involved, and I stand by that. If you are age 60 then think back to games you went to, and the pubs you used before and after games. Never mind the lower leagues, games at 1st and 2nd division (the top two tiers at that time) stadiums had hundreds or thousands of people willing to engage in hooliganism if given an opportunity. The fact serious disorder rarely occured is another matter, and is not what the original post said

[@Codex7777]

@@samolevski1119 So, theoretical and potential violence, all assumed vs actual reality? Hmm :)

[@samolevski1119]

@@Codex7777 I am replying to the original post which stated it was only a tiny minority. Huge brawls rarely occured but I have seen them way back at that time and you must also have seen them if you went to big games. I saw half of the shed or north bank, holte end etc actively trying to get involved in the mayhem, and that is not a small minority of people.

[@toonbarmy4201]

All we go out for, a good game of football, a good punch up, and a good piss up. Thats all about Millwall. Translated :D

[@christineharding4190]

The fella on the coach said - It's all about a good game of football, a good punch up, a good piss up. It's all about Millwall" Millwall is a south London football team. The trouble was not all football hooligans were young men; many of the gang leaders were middle aged men who should have known better.

[@marcussmith8747]

With Leeds, the issue was(twice), and still hasn't been fixed, we were cheated out of the European cup, even the match officials have been punished for taking bribes and the like, not to mention the fact that Galatasary fans stabbed two Leeds fans to death in 2000, so us in particular have a very negative attitude towards the continent.

[@seancorker5815]

Danny Dyer speaks a dialect all his own. It’s all an act though.

[@gavingiant6900]

Or you could call him Malcolm, Celb Juice thing.

[@101steel4]

@@gavingiant6900 Malcolm

[@gavingiant6900]

@@101steel4 Yep, it's been too long since I've watched it . Cheers.👍

[@101steel4]

@@gavingiant6900 I only remembered because I saw a clip the other day lol

[@c_n_b]

Not as bad as that wannabe gangster accent you hear from drill rappers etc in London. So fake and cringe! Some grow out of it, at least. 😅

[@barrygyles2211]

British society has been conditioned for wars since the Normans took over.Footy and Rugby are a fun part of that process.

[@weeddegree]

He said a good punch up and a good piss up

[@dinger40]

Football isn't a matter of life and death, It's more important than that.

[@steddie4514]

To quote Bill Shankly

[@cong1152]

Americans see sport as just a show where in England and europe the love for it is deeper, its hard to explain

[@paulizard4292]

It wasn't just a football match between Leeds United and Bayern Munich. It was the European Cup Final in Paris. The Leeds fans kicked off after a series of very dodgy decisions went against their team. The Germans won 2-0, and the Leeds fans let their feelings be known. I'm not a Leeds fan, btw.

[@Zig423]

Nah not an idiot. Danny Dyer literally seems to make himself difficult to understand. He said basically “ are you sure we aren’t going to go in There and get ironed out (knocked out) then says about how he’s expecting to get glasses.

[@omegasue]

Roughly he said: A good game of football, a punch-up and some kissing 6:12

[@omegasue]

I got the last bit wrong: should read - a good piss up. Ok, that sounds about right😂😂😂

[@hammer159159]

so the european competition was just that a competition for teams from all over europe., one team from each country. so when and english team went to another European city the hooligans would go and fight anyone they could find. fan rivalry in America does not really exist. it is artificially managed but you dont really run into Cowboys fans in Philly. But London, which is 25 miles squared, has about 25 football teams and They all hate each other so you run across them every day.

[@atomic_lolly7541]

Oh a good film to watch would be football factory.

[@g-man4297]

I blame the Government, they should have kept national conscription, also the year I left school 1979, was the year Thatcher became PM. not a good time for the working class majority.

[@meme4013]

He said, he likes "a good game of football, a good punch up and a good piss up". He's a Cockney btw so sounds like gud gaime of futbaw, a gud panch app aand a gud piss app.

[@carlmarch9591]

You should react to the real football factories England

[@user-xv1gn7yk3t]

Coner you are awesome,

[@bravo2zero796]

The world cup is hosted by USA next year, I hope they're prepared 😂

[@andysadler6432]

ignore green street watch the Firm and ID

[@susyward581]

We have to remember that we have been breeding soldiers for hundreds of years, that gene is strong, I’m not condoning it, it’s a matter of fact.

[@GeraintHughes-pp1cy]

the millwall person said "you go to watch a game of football, a good punch up and and good piss up". millwall are one of the most hated clubs in britian

[@Isleofskye]

Felicitations. Nothing sadder than seeing Middle Aged Men acting like "Old Skool" hooligans however this MILLWALL fan enters his 8th decade next year so I can no longer be classified or termed "Middle Aged" so, presumably,I am exempt from such censure and chastisement:). The Millwall guy on the coach said "I go for The Piss Up and Punch Up, that's what Millwall is all about!".He died, a penniless alcoholic in Crawley, West Sussex.

[@GeraintHughes-pp1cy]

good morning i agree about older hooligans it is sad seeing them acting like they did in they're 20's and it's that element's that have given you'r club a bad name as an old fella i used to work with said "it's not the 99% of the good that people but the 1% of the bad"@@Isleofskye

[@Isleofskye]

@@GeraintHughes-pp1cy So true Geraint :)

[@liyunfei]

he wanted to fight

[@Claudiaxyz]

Fight Club for Soccer

[@bluethird]

Most places in the UK will have a football (soccer) team, a Rugby team and a Cricket team… a bit like in the US - Basketball=Football (Soccer), Football (American)=Rugby, Baseball=Cricket

[@gstev6812]

Most places in the UK don't have cricket teams lmao

[@bluethird]

⁠@@gstev6812 you are right, not every place in the UK… every place in England does though, every County has its own professional Cricket team, within those County’s there is semi-pro teams and also amateur (normally village) teams! A Cricket fan will normally support their local County team and smaller local team (if they’re loyal to their area)!

[@Pidalin]

My father always says - football should be completely banned and stadiums should turn into potato fields. 😀

[@dannjp75]

Why

[@Fez135]

If we can't go to war with people anymore, then we've got to have our fun on the continent somehow.

[@racheldicker5611]

Not for me, cricket , old joke, went to a riot, and a football match broke out