McKamey Manor: America's Most Extreme Haunted Attraction - Lights Out Podcast #26

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[@nightshade1904]

Do a podcast on the Corpsewood Manor Murders! There's so many twists to this story that you get sucked in.

[@brandinichole2490]

Z CB mnnnn N huu juju iooo

[@addieloveswheelies5672]

Please please please do the Milgram Shock Experiment!! Love you guys! Really awesome well organized interesting podcast...very enjoyable episode.

[@lawk949]

He probably make these videos for people on the dark web

[@tkuhel12]

Great episode guys. I have heard a lot about this psycho. But your podcast had a lot more details that I hadn’t previously known. Keep up the great work, y’all are the best!

[@astroguardian11]

Sounds like he's a closet sadist really. He gives me the creeps. The people who volunteer for this knowing full well are twisted themselves.

[@astroguardian11]

@@BeatriceFlowers You're right!

[@j.j._]

Right you know he is just making spank tapes 😂 and he found idiots to pay for him to do it

[@Vercingetorix.Fantasia]

Sounds like hes a full size godman walk in closet full of disorders

[@brookelynelizabeth6691]

Funny you say that because my ex wants to do this so bad. He’s a diagnosed psychopath 😬😳

[@annwolf2127]

If people want to do this, I see no problem. I personally think its horrifying & disgusting but I do believe this is perfect for those who want to inflict pain or receive it as long as its 100% consensual. Why force someone to suppress their desires & have them inflict it onto innocents when they can have a "safe" place where they can do what they want.

[@michaelaxx8149]

He chooses what he shows us, imagine what we don’t see.

[@Sheabuttahbaby]

His victims have already said they waterboard, stand on their chests, holds their heads under water. Of course he doesn't show that

[@nhvanonerz8244]

It kinda feels like this could be crazy footage in some years when it would come out he s been a serial killer all along and we look back and think damn.

[@daltonwade9441]

@@nhvanonerz8244 you have quite the imagination,lol

[@nhvanonerz8244]

@@daltonwade9441 well who would ve thaught that gacy the friendly neighbourhood clown had 30 bodys in his basement. Doesnt need a lot of imagination to see what this guy could be doing in secret. You just rather lack imagination i d say.

[@daltonwade9441]

@@nhvanonerz8244 it’s all imagination. Perfect word to use. LOL

[@janeweiss4608]

I would bet my next paycheck that he sells the most intense footage on the dark web. There's no way he can run such an elaborate operation and pay his "actors" on dog food donations. No effing way.

[@tammy-lee8577]

I watched something on this before and he films everything they said he sells the videos, there are loads of clips on here about it

[@shelbypatterson4655]

Or the people who are doing the torture pay to do that

[@mcd.03]

Russ does on live betting with viewers across the united states. He places bets on guests on how long can they last. It's a very profitable side gig.

[@pouchyypouch]

@@mcd.03 this ^ exactly this. Ive watched videos about it as well, but Russ won't admit to it.

[@agentin00katz14]

@@mcd.03 Why not? Still better than those hidden creeps who abduct people - even children - to sell them to other trafickers who torture their victims for snuff and other disgusting porn. At least here we have 21+ yo adults who decide to get tortured.

[@option144]

i wouldnt call this a 'haunted attraction', that implies bizarreness that is out of human control.. what happens here is the work of a sick, twisted man who clearly gets sexual satisfaction from it and is probably selling these tapes to fellow freaks on the dark web.

[@Windigo-OAK]

Definitely. It's a cover operation for torture & snuff films

[@dawnadevine1618]

@@Windigo-OAK evidence??

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

He knows what sells, and he understood he could sell certain experiences. Doesn't mean he gets sexual satisfaction from it. Just means he rakes in a hella paycheck.

[@JoshuaJohnson-zj8sr]

@@Sleepparalysisdemon2hes a fucking freak

[@septicrebel7869]

As an ex haunt actor this place needs to be reexamined by under cover officers to see what's really happening. This is taking things far beyond the extreme

[@bellarosesue]

Just like how Josh was on Mike Higher and KZbin in general, it’s cool to see Joel slowly opening up more and becoming more comfortable behind the camera. I could really see some major improvement this episode! I love your input Joel!

[@vickiekasafirek9096]

No Russ is creepy period. You need to look in to him some more. I think he's selling the films on the black market some where. Jmo

[@WakeyWakeyEggsandBakey]

That's what I said too. Definitely.

[@Eann007]

100 agree!!!!

[@smokeandmirrors6167]

He has his own website that sick people pay to watch the so called "show"

[@hannahc5756]

i would love to see Janelle’s take on McKamey Manor since she has a degree in psychology. so disturbing and extremely unethical

[@moriahscogin3402]

There's a reason she isn't on this podcast! Lol this stuff... but id like to just see anyone whos a psychological professional talk about rhi

[@kiatasteslikerainbow]

They actually did cover it on mile higher like a year or so ago

[@thefmsrinder6324]

He’s gonna eventually have someone’s nervous system shut down and they aren’t going to be able to help them.

[@haydenmeigs2362]

@J W I don’t think anyone is “offended” more like disturbed... this guy is fucked in the head

[@TheRealTMoon]

I love psychology, who is Janelle and where can I find her? 🤔

[@danamaupin8318]

I was hoping you guys would do a lights out podcast on McKamey Manor. It still blows my mind that people fly from all around the world to get tortured and abused. It's mind boggling.

[@extracelestial1027]

maybe they dont really look into it all... like they dont look into the claims of abuse and actual injuries and stuff. also i believe its gotten way worse over time

[@xandriacherriebomb6266]

I want to do it, it tests your mental strength and makes you more appreciative of life. It's a story you can tell for the rest of your life 😂 Idk to feel true terror but also knowing that eventually it would stop is kinda worth it

[@meganhartman128]

xandria cherriebomb this doesn’t test your mental strength. this doesn’t “end,” like you think. maybe you missed the part where his children were subjected as his test rats and now have lifelong mental illnesses? that’s going to happen to every single person going through this to some degree. sure, it’ll be a story you can tell for the rest of your life and the one you will be telling that story to is your psychiatrist.

[@Ranger.TomGunna]

@@xandriacherriebomb6266 you need help asap

[@trinitywilliams1425]

I so agree! Yes Russ is definitely something off about him and odd very out there, but also the people who do this and consent to do this is like what is going on there... something very sick on both sides.

[@alexacassaro]

Russ literally has kinks for all this. Like just listening to the way he talks about video taping and editing just proves even more that he has some wild af kinks.

[@laurenrobinson3764]

I went over to Mcamey’s KZbin to see some of the videos and I couldn’t watch for more than 3 minutes. It’s super disturbing. I love horror films and scary movies but knowing that these are real people and are really suffering freaks me out so bad.

[@RaeM.C83]

I totally agree it was devastating and made me panic that no one was helping them. You have to be a special kind of dumpster fire to treat people like that.

[@Ranger.TomGunna]

Yeah I've been to Iraq when I was in the Army and one of his videos disturbed me more than that by far

[@benlynch6730]

They wanted it. Big difference

[@HumbleAstronaut]

Some people actually like it. 20k plus on the waiting list

[@laurenrobinson3764]

@@benlynch6730 I know they wanted it initially but I wonder how many of them changed their minds in the middle of it but it was too late. So many of them look so upset at the end.

[@DrummerXero626]

I remember watching a video about this months and months ago. Apparently he doesn't even donate the dog food, no shelters near his properties have ever gotten a single bag of dog food from him. So I'm pretty sure that bag of wet dog food is what is being used to shove down people's throat and tell them it's vomit or brains or something.

[@gimmemore9709]

The dog food is for his own dogs, he has loads of them.

[@coffin7904]

5 dogs.

[@coffin7904]

I'd imagine he has some skeletons in his closet to feed.

[@selenacarranza9925]

My theory is that it’s not nonprofit at all. He probably live streams this stuff on the dark web and those people most likely have to pay big if they want to watch 😬

[@jordank5328]

Watch Mutahar, but live streaming on the dark web is pretty impractical and unlikely. There's CP on the clear web, he could easily sell this on the clear web as well

[@smokeandmirrors6167]

He has a website that people pay to see the full videos

[@misseselise3864]

anyone paying is an idiot he posts everything for free on youtube

[@Krystal_Clearr]

I agree

[@Krystal_Clearr]

@@misseselise3864 livestreams are different. It's live and exclusive as well as you can make requests. I'm sure these things apply to all livestreams- I'm not speaking on just this torturous place

[@BrookeEvangelineWinter]

I'm afraid of hugs, teddy bears, tickles, juggling, and dancing. 🤹

[@heyeos666]

I don't like the way he talks about the experiences. "I'll do anything to get that special footage." I get filmmakers to want to have a certain shot for their movie, but these are literally films of people being abused whether or not of its "legality." Real filmmakers take care of those who are involved with their film. They have medical teams on hand, they make sure the actors are okay if the scene gets too much, there are breaks. Using the guise of filmmaking and having a waiver that allows him to legally do this is absolutely evil. There needs to be a debriefing afterward with a licensed psychologist if Russ really wants to continue this. The levels of psychological torture and abuse, simulated or not, is beyond humane.

[@lisashank4112]

You might want to ask Shelly Duvall about that. See how human she was treated.

[@haydenmeigs2362]

Just imagine places similar to this out there that we don’t know about... let alone the authorities know about.

[@katiemurphy4115]

The Body Keeps Score. Even though its “simulated” torture your body cannot tell the difference. The whole thing is sick.

[@dianevanderlinden3480]

Great book.

[@pipiwilson7854]

First time I've heard anyone reference this. Love it!💞

[@Fedsmoker666]

Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk!

[@skinni_the_P00hBear]

I'm still trying to figure out how the owner of this place wasn't sued.

[@geo8656]

I’m thinking it’s that long disclaimer thingy he makes them sign!

[@ivanperez5354]

Russ hasn't been sued because he makes people sign liability waivers before they go into the attraction.

[@steve3011]

The waiver will include an agreement to not sue them. Can't sue after you sign an agreement saying you won't

[@skinni_the_P00hBear]

See I know about the waiver, but the whole attraction seems suspect af. It's crazy....

[@RestOnMyLaurel]

Contracts don’t hold up if they’re doing something illegal

[@Kahlalily]

Me and my boyfriend discussing what WOULD he have to gain from doing this financially?🤔 he made a good point that the "actors" possibly pay HIM to be there. Like a Hostel situation..Russ living out his fantasies or fetishes while the actors get to enjoy torturing them as well. Kinda makes sense why they seem comfortable with it. 🤯💀 Either way shits crazy. Great video guys!

[@chamorro234]

🤯

[@theresar6413]

That was my first thought after viewing this. That the "actors" were possibly paying Russ to act out their fantasy of torturing people. Sorry to say that these participants know what they are getting into and I can't feel sorry for them. You get what you're asking for. Duh!!!!

[@GenXfrom75]

Russ IS dangerous. And like I stated in another comment, he gets financial gains from this someway. His own family wants NOTHING to do with him, so that tells ya something. He needs HELP.

[@morganmyers6013]

Definitely, this is a perverse thing he is doing. He’s getting off to it. And possibly selling or gaining finances from these torture videos for sexual views.

[@GenXfrom75]

@@morganmyers6013 Yep! Agreed.

[@brookelynelizabeth6691]

Morgan Myers there’s been speculation that he sells it on the dark web like the uncut versions or the extreme that we don’t see.

[@superwoman1940]

x Ajp

[@JJ77XOXO]

Has anyone had a lawyer look into that wavier? I'm sure they would find some sort of loop hole.

[@LOAblue]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone ends up dying going through this. I think the only reason he hasn't been shut down is that no one who's gone through the experience, can afford to sue him. A decent lawyer could argue against this in court. They may initially consent and sign a long waiver, but once they want to stop then it's no longer consensual. I wouldn't want to go through this experience for millions of dollars, much less $20,000. Even having millions from the experience wouldn't be much fun, if there's lingering PTSD or other mental issues.

[@randallelston3092]

Several people have tried to sue him, his 40 page waiver covers anything you could sue about. It’s just specific enough yet vague enough that you’re agreeing to basically allowing him to do anything

[@kianna270]

apparently as long as the wavier explicitly says everything that can and may happen, he’s covered legally. which he does. he covers every little thing they can possibly do to you in the waiver. the only way someone could get out the contract is if they were under the influence of drugs or something and weren’t in their right mind while signing the contract.

[@schofs2940]

He's made videos and posted them online saying he "doesn't let them out". Another woman who had been through it explained she was only given one opportunity to leave, and only an hour in to the six hour stint. At what point does the consent start to dissipate, even if its existence depends on a legal loophole in the initial instance?

[@iMonsieurAnthony]

Imagine he sells those videos on the Dark Web.

[@pw519]

he posts them on his youtube channel

[@iMonsieurAnthony]

@@pw519 not everything, everyone. He has also made comments there are people who make bets as they watch...

[@waddlina4224]

@@iMonsieurAnthony I've done it big deal

[@AngelMary]

That was my thought

[@LisaBabe85]

Maybe he like live streams them to the dark web or maybe he posts the videos prerecorded to the dark Web or something 🤔

[@pauliegualtieri9372]

His former employees claimed he was a creep and they would walk in on him teeing off to torture porn. The no swearing thing is really creepy too, he doesn't want people to use a "bad" word, meanwhile he's getting his rocks off torturing people and filming it so he can tee off later. You'd think this man is Tiger Woods the way he's teeing off everywhere all over everything

[@vampirebottom]

I've worked for a man like Russ before: ex military, extremely literate in methods of physical and psychological torture, can't resist integrating that training into his civilian life, uses the grotesque as a convenient cover for his nefarious urges. What little of the surface that I know about the kinds of missions these guys ran in their service, this runs deep.

[@randallelston3092]

Exactly he openly explains he uses techniques that are now against Geneva convention to basically torture you, and has you sign a liability waiver to make it all legal. Just a psycho who can’t live without torturing people

[@megancrisp81]

So he calls the police ahead of time bf he does this, who’s to say he’s not really kidnapping someone if all he has to do is call the cops and say, oh I’m pretend kidnapping someone this week. 🤷🏼‍♀️ smh.... makes one wonder huh?

[@haydenmeigs2362]

Wonder if him and the police work together in some way... I guess( allegedly ) someone went missing after they went through this haunt, and that would explain why the police didn’t investigate properly. Probably pays off the police with his black web paychecks.

[@megancrisp81]

@@haydenmeigs2362 Right? It seems possible ( allegedly ) something is definitely fishy.

[@AprilHannahStudio]

I thought the same thing! He can basically do whatever he wants and get away with it as long as he gives the police a heads up first. This guy is pretty smart or has a really good lawyer helping him

[@megancrisp81]

@@AprilHannahStudio Right? It’s got to be one or the other. No normal sane person can get away with these shenanigans!!!!

[@esahc4306]

Seems like the plot to a b rated horror movie 🎬 🎞 🎥

[@Jaycee1200_]

Putting people in adult onesies and kid costumes looks a lot like he is pretending they are kids...gross.

[@taylorpreston2527]

I fully agree here.

[@MiyahElise]

Sad thing is he has kids and they’re envolved

[@aleksandralempart8305]

@@MiyahElise they're estranged

[@lillimarie1998]

No deadass WEEIRD

[@kyli1204]

Taylor Preston ppl actually choose & come in costume. Russ doesn’t costume them. He is 1000% gross, but just a fun fact, ppl do dress up in costume when going to Mckamey Manor.

[@caitlynv21]

After I heard about Laura I was immediately convinced, no doubt in my mind, that they just found a legal way for torture. He’ll get to a point where it won’t be enough anymore. And then someone’s going to lose their life.

[@shelia3393]

I agree with this!

[@Windigo-OAK]

Yup it's horrifying

[@deannacornett2773]

@@Windigo-OAK Serial killers are often charming and approachable. They don't always seem scary at all. Narcissistic abusers will look into a person's life and social media to learn everything about them. They will use social media, or threaten to use it to expose things about their victims to gain power and control. They will gaslight their victims into believing that they can do anything they want - no matter what they may have promised previously, that they wanted and asked for anything that is done to them.

[@kristicrosby2603]

I agree

[@rosecity_chris]

The way he portrays himself, the no cussing rule, the "im making a movie" excuse...it all seems like ways to convince the law and the public its a legit operation that doesn't cross lines.

[@alyrog]

I don’t think this is a character for him, I think he’s a sick individual who figured out how to live his fantasies legally. So yes, all of the baggage that comes with running this is most likely beyond worth it for him. I can’t believe this is real I’m disgusted and horrified.

[@alyrog]

Also I bet he looks into how well off people are before he approves them and probably chooses people he thinks don’t have the means to sue him

[@Isaw1117]

Some people have gotten major injuries though. He says there won’t be physical things involved but Russ can be trusted about as far as his breath can be smelled.

[@kennetht.6952]

The word "evil" comes to mind when it comes to McKamey Manor: its creator for one. Its "actors" second. And the fact that it even exists and there is support for it third. "Haunted attractions" should be enjoyed by its patrons. This is not the case with McKamey. There is nothing enjoyable about it. It is physical and psychological torture masked as amusement. McKamey SHOULD be shut down, Russ and his "actors" jailed, and its patrons who suffered physical and mental abuse compensated in some form. Period. There is enough REAL agony and horror in the world; we don't need a "simulation" of it in the guise of a haunted attraction.

[@John-mf1sz]

The dude had no medically trained staff beyond a high school aged girl that took a health class. Not to mention that most of the “volunteers” were felons with at least one confirmed sex offender when he moved it to San Diego. Calling this thing an extreme haunt gives every single legitimate attraction a bad name.

[@iMonsieurAnthony]

There is something more to this Russ guy. You don't set this up for a dog charity, go across the country etc all for a non profit. Something fishy.

[@brittanyreed4377]

I don’t know if this is true or not but if you have ever watched any of his videos he talks about people in Vegas (I don’t remember exactly but I’m pretty sure he said Vegas) are wanting us to do this to you or they are betting that you won’t make it this long..but I’ve watched other videos of people saying he livestreams everything and people place bets for certain things to be done to people or bets on how long the person can last..like I said I don’t know if this is true or not but I do remember him saying people were watching and making bets that the person wouldn’t last long

[@iMonsieurAnthony]

@@brittanyreed4377 that sounds very much like the weird betting shows on the dark web. Very worrying.

[@brittanyreed4377]

Antonis it wouldn’t surprise me..there are other videos going more into detail about him doing livestreams with people placing bets if you want to look more into it

[@TheNerdsRok]

Brittany Reed exactly!!! It’s in every video if they researched at all they’d come across it forsure.

[@stacykira6709]

Its not a haunt... this is straight up torture and very disrespectful to actual haunted houses

[@HushTheMyth]

He doesn't claim it to be a haunt. People who watch it say it is.

[@28nihilist]

Cope

[@laurenskee2665]

Karen

[@aKaButtons15]

Nah it’s not you know how many people aren’t scared of haunted houses , he’s not killing people plus they signed up for it

[@katex682]

im a mom who is as straight edge as could be. my husband talked me into edibles. im high as a kite. and stuff my face with nachos. the way you looked at the camera I thought you could see me stuffing my face so I stopped. scared me boy

[@oohaahteamm]

have a good one 🍃✨

[@nancyhernandez2271]

Have fun!🙌🏽

[@rachael5807]

Bless, great snack and podcast choice

[@sherbear9398]

Yaaa!! 🌿🌱💜

[@LadyCaspar]

🌱Hope you enjoyed it🌿

[@VeganZombie0x]

He’s openly admitted live streaming these videos, and the fact that someone died at that haunt ( yet he says it’s from a condition they already had) it’s just disgusting 🤢

[@Krystal_Clearr]

He literally gets paid to kill and I wouldn't doubt be works with the police..

[@daltonwade9441]

@@Krystal_Clearr That’s because you’re crazy

[@Krystal_Clearr]

@@daltonwade9441 thanks!

[@chrstphrluis2206]

@@Krystal_Clearr 😂😂😂 lmao literally “the internet” in one comment.

[@bmackenzie2740]

I started listening to this on Apple podcast but wanted to see all the videos along with it so I’ve been waiting all day for this lol 😂

[@KandicePolut]

The question is ... who is backing Russ....how does he survive financially......think about that!!!!

[@janeweiss4608]

He's been open about the fact that people place bets on how long certain people make it through. I'd also wager my left kidney that the extreme footage he doesn't put on KZbin is sold on the dark web. What he edits together for the internet is a mere fraction of all the things he puts people through. If this is what he's comfortable with the world seeing, imagine what isn't available for the public to wittiness.

[@dom19945]

Well, technically, supporting him would give you a tax write-off

[@smokeandmirrors6167]

I imagine he got a good pension from his time in the Navy and he has a website that people pay to see videos and can buy merch

[@kebby603]

Is it just me or did anyone else find it concerning that when the woman who passes out comes to someone puts their hand over her mouth? But I guess that's like the lowest concerning thing in this video...

[@taylorpreston2527]

That’s exactly what I thought.

[@AliceSykesFromWalkerland]

He's injected people with needles and locked people in boxes of water when theyre near drowning & he's done alot worse, look it up on youtube you'll be shocked

[@Humanh8red]

Waterboarding happens here too

[@crystalvisions6558]

I was like wth are they doing ? Trying to kill her? Maybe they get off on all this and are selling the videos on the dark web

[@IceTrayZay]

Crystal Makes that’s what I’ve been hearing. Someone who went through the attraction said that the thing is being live-streamed and the viewers pay to see what happens next.

[@SaraHera88]

I saw a video clip of someone threatening one of the "actors" with one of their own "props" if I remember correctly and the "haunt" was automatically ended. This place is so freaking sick and disturbing.

[@CozyWriter1307]

I screamed when this was uploaded! I'm obsessed with the McKamey Manor! Yes, Josh! Lay it on me.

[@kdizzle901]

You should go then 😂😂😂

[@plumsparkles945]

You should go

[@michelleembree2363]

The exit interviews are pretty key-- for one thing, tortured people are extremely loving to their torturers when torturer shows care for the victim-- that is gitmo level stuff ANND in this case-- the victims are not yet out of the situation-- giving him what he wants-- video of you saying how great it was while you are still covered in fake blood-- if he does not get that? What happens? Do they drag you back in? They could. BUT-- outside of that fear, the real-world psychology on this would generally make exit interviews favor the torturer.

[@Isaw1117]

Josh or Joel if you want to know even more...there is an amazing KZbin channel that covered every inch of this story. Channel is called Surviving Life. They seriously covered hours and hours and uploaded countless videos last winter about this. Very interesting inside info.

[@lipsticktattoos]

With interviews from people who have been in the manor and people who know Russ. I watched all of Surviving Lifes’ videos at the time he was making them. Russ even went after him and got his channel banned from uploading for a while too. His video series was so good!

[@Isaw1117]

Ayyyye someone else that watched surviving life here. They went IN DEPTH. That was a juicy winter of content. Also disturbing.

[@icekraze07]

I have watched a few videos that have presented pretty convincing evidence that he is basically running a red room. There is evidence that the video is being live streamed somewhere. It is also the reason the “safe word”, which was only implemented after that one guy died, doesn’t work. They only stop when the person physically can’t continue or the live streamers vote to stop.

[@nishitaiyengar]

Yes!!! Finally!!! I love this podcast so much. I can’t wait to kick back and enjoy this. Love from India xoxo

[@brittany7731]

What is crazy is that they have shaved/ cut people's hair off and pulled out teeth/ cut people before and gotten away with it.

[@Eann007]

How TF do you just let yourself pull a tooth out of someone's mouth whom is screaming in pain and it's not a medical emergency. .... truly only a bad person could do that

[@emmyjulianne6850]

From the interviews that I’ve watched of people who have gone through mckamey manor, if you’re a woman with hair past the tops of your ears, you’re getting your head shaved. It’s one of the most psychologically torturous things you can do to a woman, from personal accounts. Imagine having your head shaved or worse, just a patch shaved down the middle with hair left on the sides. Idk about you, but I do value my hair. I think most women do

[@BrookeEvangelineWinter]

@@Goofy-zl3tj Why does that matter?

[@marcierieder9721]

@@Goofy-zl3tj creeeep

[@steve3011]

Left the lights on yesterday guys!! Ive been waiting lol

[@nosteviewonder8959]

Left all of em on 😂😂

[@KM-hv7iw]

Lmao 😂

[@cutepumpkin4744]

Imagine the amount of Covid safety protocols this place violates...

[@AMKmusic96]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ bruh these people are being tortured and near death in some cases, c19 is the last concern of this disgusting place

[@sallyhazy]

i really hope they shut down during covid lol I don't think a mask will protect you in this case

[@goose33]

@@AMKmusic96 lmao

[@AMKmusic96]

@@sallyhazy it doesn’t protect you in any case 🤣🤣🤣

[@GenXfrom75]

This place should not be allowed to exist... I can see people developing PTSD over this kind of experience. **Shivers** Are people that crazy, that down on themselves, that they not only think they *DESERVE* abuse and torture, but *SEEK* it out!?

[@tiaslays255]

Is that not psychotic 🤣😭

[@jasmine-rose18]

I thought you were being dramatic but I didn’t know anything about this place before I watched this but you’re 100% right this is insane and horrible. Should not exist at all

[@LisaBabe85]

Each to their own I guess 🤷

[@allisonfinley9587]

If people literally go and pay then they’re the dumb ones lol people are wanting to go

[@GenXfrom75]

@@allisonfinley9587 well, he kind of deceives people with his whole "this is a non-profit enterprise" spiel. People only have to donate a bag of dog food, which he then donates to a Greyhound rescue. But this man IS making a profit, believe that.

[@CemeteryGates17]

What a pleasure, Saturday afternoon with some coffee, pastries, and just realizing you uploaded with a very interesting topic!

[@zoeb.6961]

This is literally my favorite podcast! Can’t wait for the rest of the Halloween series!!

[@abigailretter4485]

I remember watching a video of Russ talking a while back and he mentioned about the participant who had a heart attack. Described it as ''the good stuff''. I mean what the hell?! Literally gives me chills. I'm obsessed with anything horror myself but McKamey Manor is an absolute NO GO!

[@rachelganthony]

Just saying, you have the most calming voice and I always want to fall asleep listening to your vids.

[@RealityChick77]

He’s the tiger king of the horror world

[@editam.32]

I'd like to see Russ being put through this attraction and see how it makes him feel.

[@oddeyes9413]

Side note: McKamey Manor would probably make a bomb ass horror series or movie. Found footage style and everything.

[@stephanierose9577]

I do have to correct you one 1 point (so far). He doesn’t do his due diligence. The “waiver” is NOT legally binding. In fact, the “waiver” was made by a paralegal who was his then girlfriend at the time. The word “liable” is even spelled incorrectly on the form. I believe she did this purposely. Her name is Carol and she never really agreed with what he was doing after a “contestant” of the name “Laurie aka Laura B.” Her tape was never seen and was never released. He put her in the back of a van and let 6 people beat her all at once. She left with a broken foot, her hair pulled out, and a swollen, bruised face that included a whole in her mouth where the little “webbed” part of your upper lip that connects your gums to your lips was torn and gone bc she had 6 people’s hands in her mouth and pulling it in every direction at the same time. There are interviews that she has done and her story has never changed and her “tour” was never aired. He scares the 💩 out of these people and tell them that people will come and find them and uses psychological abuse so these people don’t speak out and tells them that they have signed an NDA and will be sued for $50,000. They are scared to speak out. EDIT: I’m sorry- you covered her.❤️

[@stephanierose9577]

Carl's Brother I comment as I go along..sorry if that bothered you, but they up this mans engagement 🤷🏼‍♀️ if you don’t like my comments, why not just scroll over them...instead of taking the time to reply?

[@FrostiiFox]

His "waiver" won't stand up in court. It took a metric ton of digging, but i found one version. The typos in it are astronomical.

[@ERBS_Mommy2019]

What’s so bad.. it does. People have tried to sue him, press charges on him, etc. he films everything, every little thing. So, it does stand up in court and against legal actions. People are consenting for this and he has found a loophole and they sign that waiver, it’s over for them legally and every other way.

[@swampdonkey4919]

I don't believe typos or grammatical errors would invalidate a waiver, especially since the participant reads aloud and signs the waiver on camera. Could be wrong, though. The actual content of the waiver may be a different story, though. And I'm pretty sure drugging people is illegal, regardless of consent. But I'm no law student.

[@WolfAdvocated]

The fact that he gives cops a heads up/the neighbours have called and nothing happened, means at any point he could decide to legitimately take and kill someone and no one would question it. That's terrifying.

[@MoosFantaSea]

If I'm not mistaken, there's been reports of people being raped by the "actors" in the McKamey Manor. There needs to be drawn a line.

[@haydenmeigs2362]

Where’d you find this info? I wanna dive deeper

[@MoosFantaSea]

@@haydenmeigs2362 a quick look on reddit shows that several "vivtims" from the "attraction" have come out and told their side of the story etc.

[@kellyfanello6716]

I hope not

[@justiceflows]

wtf?!?!?!!???!

[@BrookeEvangelineWinter]

Never heard that.

[@pillsburytoadbaby3210]

I feel like this is real psycho sexual for him. Like he's not only recording these people for "entertainment" but he gets off on this.

[@mrnibblesmom]

I can see that for sure.

[@blondebunnie4212]

I was just about to say that . I think so 💯% people are into some weird stuff

[@lovelykay3614]

I cannot comprehend how its a simulation if its actually happening...

[@iluvcandies1]

I wonder if a lot of people who are attracted to sign up for this have been abused, & this is a way to make them feel more in control of their experience. It's horrible, & I'm saddened that people choose to subject themselves to any of this.

[@iluvcandies1]

@Anna's randomness WhoCares Yeah, I'm sure there is a huge gambit of motivations. I can't help but feel genuinely sad though. Go run a marathon, triathlon, etc. 😃, but no one deserves this kind of assult, degradation & abuse.

[@karentucker2161]

I have been abused and would never in my life as long as I am alive would ever sign up for something like this! Period!!!!

[@katieb.1184]

If I had seen this as a college student I would have been easily manipulated into this. I'm so glad it came about once I was past that part of my life

[@ritjmo]

LOP where the nightmare facets of the mind are explored. Josh: "creepy crawlies" 😂😂😂

[@EuropaThePirateTwin3]

When I heard that he was helping out doggos I thought "hey, he can't be that bad"..... and by the end.... oh dear :l

[@korig7539]

Ehh, as far as the police disregarding this because of a waiver these people signed....the police don't really know the legal jargon about contracts and such. These people could definitely take it to court. They are signing a waiver under duress and they might have a good case against him.

[@hopejordan2997]

The psychology behind all of this is beyond fascinating!

[@EthericWarrior]

It sounds like he is living out his fetishes vicariously through those that come thru. Signing the waiver basically is "proving" everyone involved we're "consenting adults"...hmm, he's smooth

[@letycherra7485]

Plot twist they already have killed we just need to find the bodies

[@Golden_Girl7123]

I wonder if there's a non disclosure agreement as well?

[@FrostiiFox]

The non disclosure is him threatening people and absolutely terrifying them.he basically has a tight leash on them from what I've heard. His waiver would not hold up in court.

[@deadhotred]

He selects his own victims and.. FILMS IT ??? Then he says "I am in total control" in the interview ?? - pure sadist.

[@yaminogame7805]

he's pulling peoples teeth out...i think thats physical torture?

[@hollycastle2740]

He's never actually pulled anyone's teeth out. Mostly what he does is tell you all these horrible things he MAY do to you..it's a way to get inside your head. It's a classic. It doesn't take much skill when it comes to what this man does. It's all fake props but anything can feel real if you get the person in the right mind frame.

[@haydenmeigs2362]

@@hollycastle2740 the fact that he so intricately plans out how to get into peoples heads really tells you something about how his brain works..

[@ravynwoods5902]

I saw a video where they accidentally stabbed a nail through a girl's foot. They were pretending they would but actually did it. And the team freaked out so I donno if it was a true accident or a pretend oopsy daisy.

[@donnacollins402]

I believe that there's actually a video leaked of a man getting his tooth out with pliers

[@BrookeEvangelineWinter]

@@donnacollins402 You are correct.

[@DayDay80631]

While people who participate in this know exactly what they're getting into, it doesn't change the fact that this should be illegal, and this guy is a raging psychopath. There's gotta be a way to shut this down

[@Vercingetorix.Fantasia]

Fear is an emotion. Its one we never want to encounter in reality But in a manufactured reality like cinema or haunted houses, we enjoy that emotion because we know we will survive it and that there is nothing to truly fear. Russ obviously gets off in torture. Thise waivers will never hold up in court either. Assault is assault . Just sayin

[@kellymay8208]

If the use of a safe word is in the contract and its ignored, that could be an angle to use...

[@kelleyshepard424]

I wonder if there might be some animal cruelty going on. How many animals want to be stuffed in someone's mouth or other things they are put through

[@trishcook6952]

That may be the way to shut him down. Animals can't give consent and are being hurt

[@morganmyers6013]

There has to be a Sadistic sexual reason why he does this

[@nancyhernandez2271]

I was thinking the same thing! He’s definitely a sadist!🤯😱

[@raulhernandez6782]

Im Mexican, we grew up getting whipped with whatever crossed our moms path , I can last 10 hours 🙂 lol

[@robinmcinarnay7827]

My mom had an engraved leather keychain the size of like a prize ribbon, on hand, at all times. She'd get our thighs with a quickness. My dad would walk away at the grocery store saying 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘢𝘪𝘭 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘰𝘶𝘵. Yeah, I have anxiety and cower at loud noises. No way I'd voluntarily or for pay invite that fuck inside my head.

[@marythecontrarian]

Unfortunately, you wouldn’t make it bc after a certain point Russ just starts dunking your head into ice water if he thinks you’re gonna make it through and then ends the session due to “fear of hypothermia”.

[@whatsupwithit8247]

Brooooo this last comment had me dead "What does being mexican have to do with this?" Meanwhile everyone else is talking about the manor

[@HumbleAstronaut]

No. No you cant

[@TheZombieburner]

Based!

[@lisajay7099]

Surely if they have a safe word that is not adhered to then that automatically voids the waiver? Contracts go both ways.

[@monkeebuisiness]

this episode feels like you both have come a long way in five months! can't wait to stay for the future!

[@jannaleonard5261]

OMG I AM SO EARLY I am so excited for this episode!!!!!

[@DevynDrums]

I absolutely love hearing people talk about McKamey Manor ever since I heard about it many years ago lol It's such an unbelievable crazy place and I'm glad y'all covered it!

[@_littlemrsfluffy_7725]

I believe in one interview, he laughed about how someone had a heart attack during the tour. He said, "it was awesome."

[@axelotls_]

the way i got weirdly excited sent the title of this episode... 💀 i've been looking forward to this since the last mile higher q&a !

[@heather_doestruecrime]

Dude.. a simulation is literally defined as something that *feels* real but ISN’T. None of this is a simulation. It’s actually happened so that doesn’t even make sense.

[@amierising2188]

Exactly!! Calling it a simulation when its obviously happening for real is just pure gaslighting, what worries me is how many people just go along with it. Its like getting people to just believe and insist the sky is purple when its obviously blue.

[@ayjay579]

This is my favorite Podcast to listen to while playing Minecraft. I’ve been listening to old episodes of Mile Higher just to get my fix, but it just can’t replace Lights Out.

[@tinyelephant77]

How are y'all already on #26??!! Time is just flying by. I feel old.

[@morganpettipas9198]

I can't wait to see how far this podcast goes. Lights out truly deserves to be one of the most followed true crime channels

[@alexmeyer8133]

One of the parts that isn't talked about much is how he believed in MK Ultra and claimed to be apart of a CIA program that involved mind control. A couple of different people believe he even dosed them with lsd before going through the manor. Another thing I don't think you knew about, was that people don't always go in alone. Most of the time you had a "partner" or random person you went through the manor with, I also heard that he's no longer doing the torture stuff, he has a boot camp now in replacement for the haunt. My friend experienced it all... Either way love the podcast you two are great!! Much respect

[@TheNerdsRok]

Yes!!! How tf did they not find this when researching it absolutely blows my mind...

[@alexmeyer8133]

@@TheNerdsRok I love their podcast but I don't think they researched too well on this one, no disrespect intended.

[@kianna270]

@@TheNerdsRok “believed in MK Ultra” MK Ultra did happen tho... or are you saying he did similar things that occurred in MK Ultra?

[@obamaNFTS]

this is weird, but i'd love to watch a master of meditation go through McKamey Manor, like a monk lol

[@jessickalush3305]

I think you're on to something

[@miafilesi557]

🤣🤣🤣

[@clonekillerz]

Lights out everybody!

[@craftycriminalistwithms.z3053]

Sooo...this is my second LOP and I’m in LOVE 🥰!! You guys ROCK!! The episode that brought me to you guys first was ‘The Beast 666’, and it was killer! I have personal knowledge and my “specialty” I guess you can say would be insurance and nonprofits. I am willing to bet that this Manor is not its own nonprofit. If it is any kind of nonprofit organization, in any way, it probably is under some one else’s organization’s 501c3 umbrella. Nonprofits have to have insurance just like any other commercial business, so I don’t see how he would have his nonprofit status and have insurance in any way, shape or form. And, waivers don’t hold up in court, usually. Just in case anyone needs to know that. They usually are easily broken, it doesn’t matter what you’ve said, or signed to make something okay. If it still is out of bounds you can take them to court and the waiver is useless. Don’t let someone threaten you to say anything on camera because they will sue you. That isn’t how it works, that is more of their fear game. This man is sick and is definitely and predator in many ways. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS STILL JUST A PERSON IN KZbinS OPINION AND ANY ONE IN A SITUATION AND IN NEED SHOULD SEEK A PROFESSIONAL’S HELP AND ADVICE.

[@raquellefraser1637]

i went to a haunted barn and when u finish the barn you go outside in a maze and they chase you with chainsaws and a guy came from behind a tree with one coming after me and i literally peed my pants LOL

[@datura_boof]

Aww

[@MissFitDaniNicole]

Seriously feels like this podcast should have a netflix deal

[@kaylalynn8008]

This is my first time watching this podcast on KZbin and I really thought Joel was josh in a different outfit and different voice 😂😂

[@jddj6486]

You can watch more about the McKamey Manor on Netflixs Dark Tourist....

[@yoyosworld22]

I really can’t even imagine doing this by choice. I really thought I could until I saw the video you guys showed. Hell no. I wouldn’t last 5 minutes!

[@sophiebuehrer3788]

i wonder if the contract says they have a safe word that will be used by all participants. bc if he blatantly ignores the participants and it explicitly says in the waiver that they have a safe word, why isn’t his contract get investigated for contract violations?

[@diy_cat9817]

I love being scared (in a safe environment), I love getting ganged up on by the scarers at Universal Studios, I scream and cower and it's the best. But I cannot for the life of me imagine what on earth possess these people to take the tour. It's not even scary, it's just torture.

[@TheZombieburner]

Asks my fears? I'm scared of Chinchillas! Fluffy, bouncy, snuffly chinchillas!

[@msanders777]

Haven't seen everything about this but I wouldn't have a problem if they agreed to stop when the participant says stop. Don't know who would sign up for this. I doubt if there's an actual cash prize, seems like they'll go to any length to make people tap out and not allow someone to 'win.'

[@ChristinaGuzik]

Thanks for doing a podcast on this "Attraction." I've been wondering about it since I've heard of it's existence! I used to work at a haunted attraction, one of the best in the country, but we didn't need to use waivers for our guests!

[@CARDINAL701]

It's a huge mystery how this guy has been allowed to operate this sick&twisted place without being shut down by the state or city authorities.