McKinney, Texas Runway Overrun Lancair IV-P 11 Nov 2023

Video Credit - Jack Schneider
WFAA: www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/small-plane-collides-into-car-emergency-landing-mckinney/287-e6d18cd0-70c5-4bbd-8033-ac50693e221e
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[@jackschneider17]

So wild to see the videos I shot on your channel, never would have guessed 😂 Great analysis as always. All the years I’ve spent pulling my phone out on a moment’s notice to catch cool planes flying over finally paid off! He had the breaks locked up for a long ways, the skid marks on the runway were over 300 yards long. Was pretty obvious that he wasn’t going to stop in time. For what it’s worth, I did not hear the prop go into beta nor did I hear a particularly high power setting before I started filming. It sounded like idle. Of course I was near the end of the runway though so I don’t know what the touchdown looked like. When I talked to the pilot, he said by the time he realized he wasn’t going to make it it was too late to go around. The LX7 and similar airplanes do rely pretty heavily on beta for stopping power since they’re so sleek with such small tires. Not much contact area. Will be very interesting to see what the investigation determines!

[@MARKS-oq6bd]

Right place, right time. I'm glad you didn't see a worse outcome.

[@deldridg]

Thank you for your efforts and for having that phone at the ready! Many of us will be better pilots in the future thanks to your video reactions and feedback on the incident. Very glad noone was hurt (other than an ego and a wallet). Cheers from Sydney - Dave

[@tobywonkinoby8916]

You’ve got an L-29? That’s so cool.

[@Saboo8444]

You seem like a man of good taste. Is that a mk2 mx-5?

[@blancolirio]

Thanks Jack! Good job!

[@texan2560]

He was originally destined to TKI but it was closed that day due to crack sealing. He made a stupid decision to land at T31 and makes all of us look really bad by crashing. He should have chosen Addison or North TX Regional. Big runways with procedures and towers. Sometimes T31 shows up as 4350 foot runway but only 3000 of that is paved. This guy was a doctor and you know what they say about doctors and airplanes. (eye doctor actually) It's really good that nobody was hurt though. Except for everyone's airplane insurance. And we literally just replaced that south fence a week ago.

[@gregdrmax]

I guess the doctor “see’s” his mistake.

[@josephalberta1145]

I thought you said crack selling. That would also close an airport.

[@TheCaioKyleBraga]

There you have it. Glad nobody got hurt other than Doc's ego (which by the way was seen kicking the airplane after the crash).

[@TheCaioKyleBraga]

​@@gregdrmax👀

[@TheCaioKyleBraga]

​@@josephalberta1145😂

[@BuDDaH1977]

so basically the driver of that car is now a plane crash survivor ;)

[@challenger2ultralightadventure]

I've been drooling at pictures of the Lancair IV-P for years. A moment of silence for the loss of such a beautiful airplane.

[@oldschoolmotorsickle]

Yeah; that was a million-dollar airplane. Was.

[@bruschi8148]

Agree! Love the turboprop ones

[@SmittySmithsonite]

I hear that! What a gorgeous bird. Must be a blast to fly that with the turbine!

[@swiftadventurer]

ha, certainly at the opposite end to a Challenger. 😉

[@pattyhaley9594]

I got to go fir a ride on me once. To look out on those tiny wings while going so darn fast, is something I’ll probably never be able to forget.

[@Hugh1966]

And the camera man didn’t point the camera at the ground at the moment of impact , which nearly everyone else does . Bravo 🙌

[@cbrooks2767]

If only it was horizontal...

[@tropicthndr]

Yea seriously, as if only complete morons are at the scene filming, but anyone with a steady hand is never there.

[@frankrosenbloom]

I have done that!!! Well, not quite so bad. I landed long in our C-182 at our airpark and instead of hard braking I ran onto the grass at the end of the 3700 ft paved runway! There is a noise abatement procedure on RWY 03 so I landed with what I thought was a 3 kt tailwind on 21, but the tailwind was in fact 10 kts. Had I not had the grass, I would have gone around. No damage. Still, very embarrassing since everyone at the airpark knew-since I told them. And now, so does everyone here! 😁. No landing with a tailwind again. I'll use the dog leg on 03 in that case.

[@zubtf]

I knew the original owner builder ( Chuck Hayes from CH products in San Diego )and he was helped by the late Roger Huffman and Kevin ( then Chuck’s employee) of Tosten grips of this aircraft and was friends with them while they were building theirs while I was helping to build another. Chuck and Roger flew it to Oshkosh 2002 and it was bought by someone who just had to have it. I think Chuck and Roger had to take a commercial back home. This was built with a Walter 601-E 11 engine producing 750 horsepower. The new owner must have had it converted to a LX 7.Note the different paint, cowling, exhaust stacks, wing and tail on the accident aircraft than the one ( original model) shown by Juan earlier in the video. An LX 7 is where they take the original flying in a lot of cases fuselage of a Lancair IV -P and cut the tail off and bond a new one on, they also completely remove the original wing and install a different wing on and in this case they replaced the Walter engine with a PT6 engine with a pitot style inlet cowling to match. The original tail number is retained and I think it is still registered as a Lancair IV with the FAA.

[@lessharratt8719]

Thank you for all the info. This is why I watch Blanco. Thank you again.

[@blancolirio]

Thanks Zub!

[@816928]

The 4P was always known as a real hand full due to stall characteristics and the LX7 is supposed to improve these aerodynamic shortcomings greatly. It is too bad this gentlemen destroyed this beauty. Lots and lots of hours went into constructing the original and the mod. Doctors, please do better.

[@tropicthndr]

Since there will always be overruns off the end of runways, how the fk did the city even approve of this neighborhood road going within feet of the runway. Like this little cute black fence is supposed to be impressed by a three thousand pound airplane about to slam into it. Such a joke.

[@xking18]

T31 airport has 4300' runway, 3000' at the south end is asphalt and additionally 1300' at the north end is grass. Whole DFW metroplex was landing North that day (winds were like 050 at 7), this pilot elected to land South with downwind component. If they would have landed North - they would have had additional 1300' of grass to stop on. KTKI was NOTAM closed that day but they could have landed at KDTO or a whole bunch of other controlled airports with full firefighting capability on site.

[@smittyschmid5457]

This 👆

[@robjohnson8522]

"KTKI was NOTAM closed that day " That answers that question...

[@robjohnson8522]

With that airplane I think would have gone with ADS if TKI was closed. (I got the e-mail from TKI about the closure)

[@jamesbromstead4949]

2450 foot usable.

[@perwestermark8920]

Any chance yhe pilot saw the 4300' number and failed to realize the initial part was grass? So he originally planned for 1300' more available asphalt?

[@carlmontney7916]

Talk about lucky. This could have turned out far far worse. So glad nobody was hurt. Excellent coverage as usual Juan

[@helicopterdriver]

The person that was jogging (maybe running for his life) was probably saved by the looks of the video. If the car hadn't stopped the plane he would have been right in front of them for sure.

[@onlyme112]

And if the plane had arrived a quarter-second later, it would have T-boned the car on the driver's side.

[@backroadnomad]

@@helicopterdriverIt was a teenager. He was filming too but when it came through the fence at him, he dropped his bike and ran.

[@Pillowcase]

"pilot failed to use turn signals when merging."

[@mikejohnson4617]

This is why I read comments. Thanks

[@Breznak]

That's supposed to be the bmw's shtick

[@tumekeehoa3121]

Experimental aviation airbag testing.

[@joshc7091]

Failure to yield at a minimum 🤣

[@ibrahim8749]

😂😂😂😂

[@me734]

As always, some of the best analyses from a professional pilot. Keep up the fine work !

[@wmcruzcarrollsr.5727]

I love watching the number of views spin up after Juan posts a video. Great channel, thank you for your dedication. Oroville Dam was what originally caught my attention. I walked down and back up the old spillway back about 1976. Down was fun, up not so much.

[@JT-1969]

Glad no one got seriously hurt. Someone contact Jimmy with Jimmy’s World, let him know there’s a possible project plane for him.

[@stevenwynne4041]

Aero Country is a private airport with homes with hangars lined up along the west side. I live about 1/2 mile from that airport. Coming back from store and came up on scene. Fire trucks and ambulance had just arrived.

[@Joeybagofdonuts76]

Thank goodness for the video. Can you imagine trying to explain to your insurance agent that you got hit by an airplane? 😂

[@audigga4396]

Claim denied , you failed to give way!

[@colinfitzgerald4332]

Even worse: explaining that you drove into an airplane. That street is too close to the end of the runway.

[@dks13827]

No. Did you wear seat belts ?

[@TylerEaves]

@@colinfitzgerald4332 Well, that's easy enough given the speeds. Drivers are, reasonably, looking AHEAD, not 60-90 degrees off to the side, especially not with traffic. Tge car in front slamming on brakes is about 10,000,000,000,000x more likely than a vehicle coming in from the side at a high rate of speed where there sin't even an interesection.

[@colinfitzgerald4332]

@@TylerEaves I imagine the driver was in shock to see an airplane appear out of nowhere right in front of the car.

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

That everyone made it out of this accident with relatively minor injuries. Rest in peace to the aircraft.

[@truthserum5310]

@blan_colirio FAKE POSER!

[@smark1180]

"Rest in peace to the aircraft." pieces

[@larrybe2900]

Insurance: You struck an airplane? You must have been flyin'!

[@cameronwebster6866]

considering the pilot made most of the journey at a lower altitude than originally intended, I wonder if the plane was low on fuel, contributing to the pilot's decision to continue a very sub-optimal approach, rather than performing another go-around.

[@bellboy4074]

He did a go around so he couldn't have been too low on fuel.

[@cameronwebster6866]

@@bellboy4074 how bad was the first approach? If the first approach was only a little bad, then that may indicate fuel wasn't a problem, but unless you're flying deadsick it is always possible for an approach to be bad enough that continuing it is obviously worse than risking completely running out of fuel, which would then increase the pressure to land on the next approach.

[@austincjett]

If he was low on fuel the first go around, the problem would be even worse if he needed to make a 2nd attempt. @@bellboy4074

[@kenmunn4421]

That thought crossed my mind also.

[@kenmunn4421]

Yeah, looking on Google Map, bad place to run out of fuel the last minute 😢

[@ctwalston1565]

Great video analysis JB, I worked at T31 at Skylanes Unlimited way back in the late 80's and early 90's. Lots of famous airshow folks and Reno racers were there way back then!

[@edwardwright8127]

Aero Country is a private fly-in community. It is not actually in McKinney but just outside the city limits. Our mayor, who is no fan of general aviation, has bemoaned that fact.

[@Darkvirgo88xx]

Isnt it out close to hwy 380 going towards Princeton ? I see planes flying over 380 and landing there all the time.

[@edwardwright8127]

@@Darkvirgo88xx No, that’s McKinney National.

[@Darkvirgo88xx]

@@edwardwright8127 Oh ok thanks for the info.

[@AnthonyMartinez]

Hard to imagine running out of places to land with sufficient runway in the DFW area. There’s damn near an airport for every four gas stations.

[@sebsaviationyyc]

The first thing I thought of when I read this was in McKinney was the video on a weather forecast where it was glitched and said it was 150000 degrees and the guy said "everyone in McKinney is dead"

[@scottfranson4215]

Great channel, thank you for your dedication.

[@georgegreen-b3i]

driver to insurance " a airplane t-boned me" insurance to driver "that's not covered in your policy"

[@joevignolor4u949]

This reminds me of when I was in the Air Guard and we had an F-100 go off the end of the runway. It went across the turnpike that ran perpendicular to the runway, hit a car killing the occupant and ended up sitting on the opposite side of the roadway. The pilot accidently jettisoned the drag chute when he deployed it and then the anti-skid system malfunctioned so he had no brakes. He tried to drop the tail hook and grab the arresting cable but it was too late. He went into afterburner trying to take off again but he was going too slow.

[@757MrMark]

Juan, you work that Google earth maps really good.

[@DavTen10]

I own a Lancair IV-P and I fly into and at T31 airport. I’ve never been stupid enough to do them both at the same time. Yes, you can get one stopped in 3000’ accidentally every now and then but you certainly can’t plan on it.

[@size-matters]

What’s your speedo final? I’m guessing should be around 85-90kts? 3000ft should be easy.

[@stevehorvat69]

Well done as always Juan. Thanks for what you do.

[@e6o]

Is this our first car crash report?

[@waltermengden8927]

He also landed with a tailwind. Aircraft were landing to the north in the DFW area on Nov 11. As Juan pointed out, TKI is only 5 miles away. Why land with a tailwind on a short runway at an unfamiliar field when TKI was 2-3 minutes away? Hopefully we’ll find out more from the NTSB prelim.

[@dmdx86]

TKI was closed over the weekend for runway work.

[@ryan_robertson]

if you listen to audio 10 min prior to the accident, you hear some landing 17 and some 35. KADS ATIS. 070@4 . KADS was landing/departing 34 at the time.

[@backroadnomad]

Winds were light and varying a good bit, hence the confusion. 17 is the calm wind runway.

[@andrewagner2035]

Greetings from Cape Town. I was at that airport in August. Short runway in a built up area, not much margin for error.

[@diogomauro6286]

I departed T31 a few minutes before this incident. I was still on the CTAF when i heard what happened. Winds were variable but favoring 35. I think the tailwind had something to do with it. Juan mentioned the bigger airport next to T31. It was NOTAM'd closed that day for construction

[@JS-hu7pv]

Had the dad of one of my patients show me a video of this today. His parents live adjacent to the airport. The first thought I had was “this’ll be on Blancolirio if it isn’t already.”

[@tk423b]

My friend at college had a Cessna land on him on the highway. His leg was in a cast when it happened. The cop asked him if he just broke his leg.

[@sophiejaysstuff4026]

I would have replied "Yes Sir"

[@JoshuaTootell]

Here's your sign...

[@kennethyoung2221]

If you are on the ground, and an aircraft hits you, it is not an accident. It is a message.

[@tk423b]

@@kennethyoung2221 we called him runway for a while

[@funone8716]

@@sophiejaysstuff4026 I would have replied...."See the cast? Isn't it obvious"? OR for maximum sarcasm......"No this is a practice cast. I'm wearing it in case I do break my leg at some point in the future".

[@TheSpacecraftX]

I suspect it's a case of being distracted by the earlier emergency. When something like that happens in any vehicle it spikes your adrenaline and can make you jumpy for a good long while.

[@TheCaioKyleBraga]

Too much airplane to handle after the startle effect.

[@cember01]

That was still a pretty rough ride. Glad no one was hurt. Shed a tear for seeing that beautiful airplane wrecked.

[@truthserum5310]

@blan_colirio SCAMMER!

[@jimmychambers2563]

I really enjoy your videos! Being a non pilot, I have learned a lot from watching your channel. As an aviation buff, your videos are always informative and a joy to watch. Keep up the good work and safe travels!!

[@FutureSystem738]

Heart broken over the complete waste of an absolutely beautiful aeroplane. 😢 I flew the piston version of these years ago. It was AMAZING. The PT6 version would be just that much better again.

[@stephenskierski5633]

There's a longer video available from the point of touchdown until the runaway. Looks like he touched down about halfway if not a little further down the runway.

[@blancolirio]

Link?

[@Cap10ndavis]

I’d like to see this other video as well.

[@stephenskierski5633]

@@blancolirio kzbin.infoGJdRrKWIY0I?si=KNPZEh-MUmMy97dC

[@John-e1j9t]

This is a reminder of the supersonic Douglas F4D Skyray that overran the El Toro, California runway in 1958 and ended up on railroad tracks. A train enroute to San Diego could not stop in time.

[@lawrencedavidson6195]

wow

[@dks13827]

No serious injuries......... including Marine pilot.

[@virginiaviola5097]

Imagine if you took the train because you were scared of being in a plane crash…

[@324bear]

Thank YOU for this!!!

[@matthewchapman3507]

I'll be curious to see if there were any lingering effects from hypoxia, which would significantly contribute to pilot error (landing with a downwind component, picking a very short runway when compared to the other options, etc.). Like Juan said, it was quite a while after they descended, but who knows, everybody's body handles hypoxia differently. It wouldn't surprise me if it was involved.

[@ehsnils]

Hypoxia and stress can cause bad decisions to happen.

[@harryspeakup8452]

Below 10,000 feet for 45 minutes... anyone hypoxic under those circumstances is medically unfit to fly at all

[@KaldekBoch]

Oh I've been waiting ALL DAY for your coverage of if this!

[@poolmonkey]

How does anyone remain completely silent when filming something like that? Incredible discipline.

[@richardwillson101]

😂 this was sarcasm right? Or would you be one of those "OMG, OMG, G, G, OMG, I can't believe, omg, omg" types?

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

The guy's a pilot. Many pilots are not jabberjaws when the crap hits the fan.

[@swiftadventurer]

camera man for the win

[@csolivais1979]

​@@swiftadventurerno, no win for filming in portrait mode.

[@willnelson5692]

And those roller-coaster screamers, annoying.

[@zitko19]

Juan, thanks for another great video. I just love your perfect Czech pronunciation of L-29's name "Delfín" 👍

[@JBE158]

I was going to ask you if you were going to cover this. I've flown out of this airport and driven down that road many times. Glad everyone was ok in this mishap

[@larrybe2900]

I can better appreciate the barrier wall that was put up at a local airport situatexd the same way next to a well traveled roadway. This might be something to put in place here. A few I-beams planted in the ground and covering between them.

[@kencramer1697]

I did my initial training out of that airport. Back in the 1990's there was nothing but fields all around it. Virginia parkway was just a gravel track. Local fire station is only 3/4 of a mile away from that end of the runway.

[@avflyguy]

You are absolutely correct. There was _nothing_ out there in early 80's. One summer, I flew one of two C206's (appropriately named duct tape 1 and duct tape 2) flying skydivers out of there. From recall there were only 3 or 4 hangars back then on the south end. It was the _Wild Wild West_ back then. On one of my early flights the jumpers saw that I was the newbie, so they thought it'd be a great joke to pull a prank on me, at my expense. Once at 10,500 one of the jumpers on the way out thought it'd be funny to turn the fuel selector to OFF. Got my attention for sure.

[@kaini3275]

Man, same with my home airport (also a roughly 3,000 ft strip). I remember as a kid in the 90's there was NOTHING. Forest and empty field. now it's surrounded by housing developments while I'm flying.

[@kencramer1697]

@@kaini3275 There are times I wish I had continued my journey into flying. My adventure started with a plan my best friend and I cooked up to have our pilots licenses before senior prom. We wanted to fly our dates to dinner, go to prom then head out to do breakfast on the beach down near Galveston. We got about 20 hours into our training when we realized just how expensive it was. All of our extra money was going into plane rental and instructor fees. Go to school 5 days a week, work several hours after school, work Saturday and Sunday mornings just to be able to fly Saturday afternoons and have no money to take a girl to the movies on Saturday night. Our zeal faded out after a bit. LOL

[@jpaulkepler4638]

That airport reminds me of Hawthorne. End of runway, 10-12 feet of lawn, a chain link fence and four lanes of traffic.

[@gregdrmax]

Wow…cool video taking and right in time! That bird is totaled. Thx for the report Juan

[@Dima_from_NC]

Looks like the driver of the car involved in this crash was not an airplane enthusiast, if he/she was then they would see the plane hurdling towards them. Usually when I drive near an airport my attention is divided between where I’m going and what’s going on at the airport

[@jyellowhammer]

Amen! Same!

[@xDreadheadx]

Absolutely..

[@ShawnGray1]

I thought it was a DA50 when I saw the doors up at first... That experimental looks nice!

[@dyer2cycle]

May just be an illusion, but from watching the accident and aftermath, it appears to me that the airframe is more robust than a typical GA aircraft of that size, also...

[@thomthumbe]

Woah! Our daughter and their family lived a couple hundred yards from this airport. We looking into buying a house adjacent to the strip. I would do my morning run up and down the rnwy while watching aircraft coming and going.

[@MeppyMan]

Hopefully that run wasn’t actually up and down the runway lol. 😂 I joke but when I was in Uni I took my then girlfriend to my local airfield for her first helicopter flight. At some point she got bored and wandered off for a walk, I found her on an active (grass) runway… oops.

[@thomthumbe]

@@MeppyMan woops! I did state that incorrectly. There are a number of houses along a taxiway….most houses in that “subdivision” include a hanger connected to their house. It was the taxiway on which I would run my laps. Carefully keeping an eye out for coming and going aircraft. There are a good number of simple hangers as well. It would be a wonderful place to live and raise a family….in my opinion. Of course there are many “private” runways thru the US of A with the same arrangement.

[@jims3276]

Curious why his 2nd pattern was so tight after the 1st go around. Slow down and fly a stabilized approach - correct your errors on the 2nd attempt. You know what they say… doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity.

[@gushammerly5345]

Yes but who knows, maybe still recovering from hypoxia and not being able to make good decisions or some other factors we are not aware of yet.

[@jims3276]

Pilot was clear headed enough to do a go around on the 1st attempt so I doubt hypoxia played a role. I would be curious to know if fuel was a factor. Obviously, he landed with fuel as I believe they said some was leaking at the crash site. I can imagine fear of fuel starvation could lead to rushing if fuel levels were indeed low.

[@backroadnomad]

LiveATC CTAF recording sounds like someone else was on the runway, causing the go-around on the first try.

[@keithjurena9319]

​@@gushammerly5345 Recovery from FL 250 takes minutes for normal, healthy people. Helmet fire from combination of circumstances and lack of currency in the equipment. Pressurized singles are a handful.

[@texanfournow]

I live in McKinney and this "airport" is a few blocks from my house. When I drive by it on Virginia Parkway, I have always felt a little bit of apprehension. Now I know I am not (completely) paranoid. Think I will divert to Eldorado...

[@rajaampattravel]

superb video mister 🤩🤩🤩

[@ttystikkrocks1042]

I'm always glad I tune into these discussions with Juan Brown because he fills in the details so well. I'm glad everyone survived, bummer that the plane is likely a write-off.

[@Sky_Burger88]

GTSB report is out! After the oxygen failed at flight level 250, the pilot had been at that altitude for an extended time before the failure indication. He began to suffer from hypoxia and descended immediately. His judgment and his motor skills were still impaired from hypoxia causing him to misjudge his airspeed and approached high and fast and this accident is the result.

[@gsdalpha1358]

Not that long ago we found property to be sold at auction. The house needed work, no big since we've rehabbed more than half a dozen. There was decent acreage with the house, perfect for a small homestead. IDK why I pulled up Google maps.. but... the house was in a direct line with a rural airport runway less than a mile away. We didn't see it at the property due to thick woods. It's a small un-towered airport way off the main road and recently expanded to handle corporate jets. We passed on the auction. I believe Juan that accidents aren't more numerous, but man do we *see* them now thanks to cell phone video. The housing around the Midland airport is INSANE.

[@thedude2601]

I'd try to get that prop added into the insurance settlement. Always interesting and informative, thanks!

[@frisk151]

Darn... One of my dream planes right there for over 2 decades... Especially turbine powered... Very curious about all that was covered, and especially on the prop / braking... This should be an interesting one, especially looking at the data... Thanks Juan!

[@PNW_Car_Mods]

Well damn, I'd say KaBLAMMO is an understatement on this one, Juan!

[@Tomxman]

Yes very lucky there was no fire. The guy I knew pancaked on landing behind a slow C-182 (seen in National Geographic in Dayton Oh) it caught fire burning the standby fiberglass oxy bottle that’s under the front seat. Lost his leg

[@khertler]

That's a beautiful plane.

[@santiagobenites]

Yes, it used to be.

[@TheGlobalTravelr]

She WAS a beauty.

[@Qrail]

Like Inspector Clouseau said after hitting the “Priceless Steinway”. “Not any more”. 😊

[@Darkvirgo88xx]

Is it just me or did it kinda resemble a mini Pilatus looking at it from the front after it impacted the car ?

[@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke]

I was fairly certain you'd make a video of this incident, and you didn't disappoint.

[@geofiggy]

JB, looks like one or both of the tires missed some other vehicles. 🤯 Thank God there were no major fatalities. Thanks for your time and resources. Stay well and fly safe. 🤟🏼🖖🏼

[@mrbmp09]

geofiggy, As opposed to minor fatalities?

[@brandonsuarez8283]

I don't know what the winds were like but if you look at the other departure end of the runway he's got another at least 1500 ft grass runway available . Could've saved the airplane.

[@JBHRN]

On the aero-medical side of things, hypoxia is less likely, they quickly got down below 10K and had ample time from the time they got below 10 K until the time they attempted landing. I think that takes out hypoxia. Seems like they rushed the landing & by sound of @xking18 they took a tailwind. Sounds like they lost their SA in setting up for the landing.

[@larryl43]

THANK YOU

[@MassimoManghi]

Juan, you were surprised when you saw the report sketching the incident spot. That surprised me too. That's a "constatazione amichevole di incidente", something Italian drivers keep in their cars in case of minor incidents that just require a joint declaration by the two drivers to be delivered to the insurance (you can clearly see the legend written in Italian). How such a form made it into your video is really weird

[@mattjohnson7835]

I play that golf course quite often. I was playing the Sunday before this accident. I enjoy seeing many air show aircraft flying around this airport. I am surprised no home camera footage has showed up yet.

[@wayneroyal3137]

Juan, I see many 172s, Cherokees etc using all of a 4000’ runway for landing. Sometimes i watch to see if they will ever stop! Agreed, if he landed at the correct speed just having the prop in flat should have been ok I would think. I do believe that pilots are not being taught the runway usage limits as much as pilots in my generation were. Glad that there were no fatalities…

[@jimc8609]

That could have gotten spicy as there is a golf course right ahead. Added difficulty for the par 3 hole you can do without

[@markbowles2382]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@barneymiller6204]

The guy in the car is thinking "My insurance company will never believe this!" Fortunately, he has plenty of video.

[@mikemicksun6469]

It was a female in the car.

[@andrewjackson5127]

My question is when they built up these areas around such airports, why did they allow housing so close? You would think local zoning ordinances should have been written to have ample overrun areas at the ends of the runways for one thing.

[@jwoodyr1]

Why? Greed/money, of course. I suspect this incident is one more nail in the coffin for that airport .... if not the final nail.

[@mortcs]

Another post mentioned that this strip is just outside city limits. My guess is that it is technically unincorporated County jurisdiction instead of city. Real estate developers love to avoid city ordinances, city taxes and fees and especially city code inspectors. County admin probably doesn't pay attention to silly things like population density at the end of an old strip.

[@Orzorn]

The only thing you really have going for you off the end of 17 is the golf course. That's where you'd have to put it if you lost engine on takeoff of 17. North of 35 there's a field you can use. Beside that, its houses east and west.

[@cember01]

It's got to be an absolutely bizarre thing to be in your car and get in a wreck with an airplane. But it does happen.

[@richb313]

Thanks for explaining this incident.

[@ryan_robertson]

if you listen to audio 10 min prior to the accident, you hear some landing 17 and some 35. having landed there, the wind does get a little wonky as you descend below the hangers. KADS is a 5 min hop away too. in fact he passes it.

[@jeffreyhoehn9307]

I don’t fly much, never flown, have no plans to but, I watch your vids all the time😂

[@johndemerse9172]

Wow. Great post Juan. Cheers from CYYB.

[@billday1463]

Had my Cherokee 180 at Aero Country for a number of years. For the unititated, this can be a bit of a difficult runway, especially if you are not used to it. Sad to see a nice airplane get bent up like that. My first landing at this airport when bringing my Cherokee for the first time was a nail biter, but after some practice, it certainly got easier.

[@gtoger]

I used to keep cars in a hanger at Aero Country years ago. Years before that, my folks' home airport was Dallas North Airport just to the South. (Mom did fly aerobatics from Aero Country in a CAP 10 ). Dallas North, a private field like Aero Country, was encroached by development (houses) and eventually the owners sold the property and it became... more houses. I imagine the same will be true for Aero Country one day. But my understanding is that since there isn't a single family that owns the airport they've got to reach a consensus with a bunch of property owners. But eventually I think they'll be pressured out of the airport business and the properties and structures will live on as a business / industrial park.

[@davidnazem7030]

Not anytime soon....60 plus new hangars going up on the east side ......

[@gtoger]

@@davidnazem7030 yup. Which could all just as easily be warehouses or machine shops or competitive cheerleading gyms in 15 years. Sooner or later the homeowners will have their way. Doesn't make it right, but it'll happen. Hangars are CHEAP builds, and owners will be just fine given property values.

[@OlesonMD]

Very familiar with T31 as I did my tailwheel training there recently. It is in a very dense residential area, with not many suitable places for an emergency landing. If landing on 17 and using the grass portion of the runway, you have to literally come in very low and fly through a parking lot, and crossing pretty low above parked automobiles. It is not an airport to ever use for a divert of any kind!

[@Orzorn]

If I may ask, how was doing tailwheel out of T31 like? I did my PPL there and only ever landed in the grass maybe twice. Did you use the grass a bit more doing tailwheel? I was directed towards a certain somebody with a Super Decathalon out of T31 when I asked about doing tailwheel training a week ago or so. But yeah, I never did like landing there, honestly. It sucks on the windy days too when that wind sweeps off the top of those buildings off the departure end of 35.

[@OlesonMD]

@@Orzorn We did the actual training at the McKinney National Airport. T31 is where the flight school was based at that time. Not a good airport for training.

[@ghostrobinson1879]

Used to instruct out of Addison just S/SW of McKinney and Aero Country. T31 as you see is a beautiful location but man even in a light GA single keeps you on your toes with regards to speed / altitude and runway alignment. Hindsight McKinney woulda been a far superior option for any abnormal operation.

[@davidmerwin7763]

Great review, thanks Juan!

[@andyl5134]

I like that Corsair shirt you’re sporting Juan!

[@DJ99777]

Good job to the camera crew.

[@glennzanotti3346]

My house is 7 miles South of that airport. It is a "condo" type airport, where people own and often live in their hanger-homes. I'm surprised he chose to land there, instead of the larger General Aviation airport not far to the East in McKinney. He probably could have had the airplane serviced there. Look like he rolled onto Virginia Parkway, a major roadway in McKinney along the border with Frisco. Those two cities have a combined population of over half-a-million people. IIRC, that roadway is four lanes, with a center median. He's lucky the road wasn't more crowded.

[@dmdx86]

TKI was closed. Could have gone to ADS or HQZ as both have longer runways and surely would have been reachable unless it was a true emergency.

[@jamesbromstead4949]

He had been routinely flying between Midland Airpark to McKinney National.

[@rossr6616]

Gotta love that Texas “Zoning” !

[@icare7151]

Great video and questions Captain!

[@pilotashley620]

KTKI was closed for a runway extension. 751HP touched down and bounced and touched down again at 1500’ remaining.

[@TheCaioKyleBraga]

Plenty of options in the DFW area. He chose the worst one 🙄

[@Orzorn]

@@TheCaioKyleBraga ADS would have been a solid choice and has ATC to help you down and clear the airspace out for you too if its a declared emergency.

[@jimydoolittle3129]

Such a beautiful airplane 😖✈️ but some pilot mistakes here , there’s , Mesquite , Addison , Mackinney , to choose from

[@Nixontheman]

The car didn’t seem to be on the brakes, it hit the plane and kept pushing it with the brakes off. Driver on the phone?

[@coldlakealta4043]

aren't they all?

[@NireBryce]

how is pressurization done on the turboprops? if it's bleed air, maybe they had an exhaust leak so turned off pressurization after descent, but the CO might still linger in the cabin.

[@ricklowers8873]

Finally set down to watch your analysis of this accident…and just want to say “thanks” for including my photo in your video😂! Well, almost anyway. J.k. Simmons is my doppelgänger 🤣🤣🤣‼️ That said, looks like this was simply ANOTHER totally avoidable accident. Proves that some people are altogether unteachable. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@MikeF1189]

He may have been short fuel because he was lower than planned and trying to stretch it. Trying not to divert but boxed himself in.

[@malakov5]

Dang. One of my favorites: the 4p propjet.

[@markkaupas8921]

Your reaction to the written description was hilarious.0:15

[@jguo]

- Does my car's insurance cover hitting an animal? - Yes, what did you hit? - A fish.

[@davemyers7507]

Thanks for the update