mClassic RGB video enhancers: “What’s the point?!”

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MetalJesusRocks

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@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
Quote for the box: “It’s doing stuff… I guess” - Metal Jesus
@dbnpoldermans4120
@dbnpoldermans4120 Ай бұрын
It's definitely doing stuff. I don't think that anyone can deny that
@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189
@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189 Ай бұрын
I died 😂
@GoldPhoenix99
@GoldPhoenix99 Ай бұрын
I think the reality is that you need a real upscaling device to actually make these look how they used to. For GameCube, I've been enjoying using the Morph 4k for basic CRT effects (the retrotink 4k is the best in class but insanely expensive) and scanlines (which prescaling will undo the 720p/1080p upscaling done in modded consoles), especially on modern OLED TV's. This is expensive though, but imo makes old games look "correct". It's something of a pain to learn how to use these advanced upscalers, but if you're after quality, you're just never going to get it out of a $100 device, sadly. If someone wanted non-CRT stylized outputs from old consoles but wants them to look like modern 1080p or 4k games... you just can't lol. Maybe we'll get AI upscalers in the future for specific consoles/games, but most likely that will also be very expensive.
@WllKiedSnake
@WllKiedSnake Ай бұрын
I'll stick to the original combined with the 4k Gamer Pro.
@neocatzeo
@neocatzeo Ай бұрын
@MetalJesusRocks You don't appear to be preparing your video sources properly. In one segment you appear to be passing it a PS1 at 1080p and think it might just be passing the video through -well it can't do much upscaling if you already upscale the image. Secondly Jet Set Radio is super blurry, you are passing a horrible unclean video source through. Also using the retrotink to upscale the image will reduce the effect the mClassic provides. The mClassic needs to upscale the image to mostly any of it's processing.
@alanf8622
@alanf8622 Ай бұрын
I love how these guys sent these to EVERY youtuber and you're ALL shitting on it :D
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Ай бұрын
Let’s be real. The M Classic already was a fringe item. Does it, technically, make images better? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrre. Could the average person even notice? Hard no. So when you start getting into variants of this product, come on man.
@Southized
@Southized Ай бұрын
Dont forget mjr was telling us to buy this years ago. I saw throught it then and still do today😂
@mmkm78aaa
@mmkm78aaa Ай бұрын
They forgot the part where you pay them 😅
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Ай бұрын
@ The regular M Classic when used on the Gamecube DOES actually clean up the image. Whether it’s worth what they charge… that’s up to you. But these things, I legit cannot tell what has what.
@or2130
@or2130 Ай бұрын
Some love it, ironically all got it for free for review
@ryanduffy2152
@ryanduffy2152 Ай бұрын
The moment I saw it was still using Micro USB instead of updating it to USB-C, I immediately knew absolutely zero effort was put in
@WllKiedSnake
@WllKiedSnake Ай бұрын
I don't know why they made two other versions as the original is perfectly fine. Black levels aren't perfect. But I have a option on my LG G2 called Game Black Level. I just turn that up a bit and problem solved.
@ryanduffy2152
@ryanduffy2152 Ай бұрын
@WllKiedSnake personally I can't prove it but I suspect they're identical to the original model with a new coloured mould and tweaked software.
@WllKiedSnake
@WllKiedSnake Ай бұрын
@@ryanduffy2152 Maybe this is just them experimenting as they say it uses Ai to help with cleaning things up. I've seen this type of thing on PC and now the PS5Pro with cleaning up the image on resolutions of 1080p and below. So it's similar to that. But on a lower level. They should just make the Mclassic 4k already. That's what I'm interested in.
@arcaderacer586
@arcaderacer586 Ай бұрын
So what exactly would usb c bring to the table on this device? Give us your expertise?
@ryanduffy2152
@ryanduffy2152 Ай бұрын
@arcaderacer586 found the whole 1 fan boy haha. For starters it'd make it more accessible and bring it to a modern standard. As the years go on mico USB cables haven't exactly become easier to find, slowly turning into what happened with Mini USB. It'd be a stronger and a reverseable port for durability and longevity. Anything else? Or is that enough
@CDunn322
@CDunn322 Ай бұрын
I can just go into my tv settings and turn color saturation up... for free.
@JanaeRose
@JanaeRose Ай бұрын
I have a oled tv and it looks pretty much like my oled switch lmao
@nowonmetube
@nowonmetube Ай бұрын
I know right 🤯
@JediRyu99
@JediRyu99 Ай бұрын
😂
@LyRaLex
@LyRaLex Ай бұрын
... and it doesn't add (input) delay
@CDunn322
@CDunn322 Ай бұрын
@LyRaLex this, this is such an underrated point. Probably the most important thing people forget about until it's too late.
@forddealer4
@forddealer4 Ай бұрын
Thanks god a voice of reason got these. Some reviewers were recommending these when it was clear as day that they made the colors worse in all cases.
@johnsimon8457
@johnsimon8457 Ай бұрын
Thing is with these pixel processor / upscalers is there’s no middle ground between the “barely adequate” $40 casual market and the $300+ “upscaler laboratory for sickos” Retrotink crowd
@CassandraPantaristi
@CassandraPantaristi Ай бұрын
Yea, I'd rather save my money for a RetroTink 4K at that point.
@fruitbatsalad
@fruitbatsalad Ай бұрын
I've been very happy with the RetroTink 2X Pro in the range of $100-140. I see MJR has one at around 17:30 in the video.
@winterhell2002
@winterhell2002 Ай бұрын
I get the sentiment, but the niche is actually getting filled. The Open Source Scan Converter for $100(to the door with international shipping, I just got one myself) is a great for converting VGA, SCART and component signals to HDMI with pristine quality, and it can upscale 240-480p content up to 1440p. HDMI capture cards are getting better and cheaper too.
@CoastalSpark23
@CoastalSpark23 Ай бұрын
@@winterhell2002The main problem with the OSSC is whether or not your display or capture device will be compatible with all its line multiplication modes, particularly in regards to 3rd, 4th and 5th gen consoles.
@theonewhowrotethis5681
@theonewhowrotethis5681 Ай бұрын
As an owner of a Retrotink 4K, 100% agreed. I hope more competent developers make great alternatives to the Retrotink that help drive costs down. OSSC ain't bad at all (I had a couple of them), but nothing beats Retrotink in compatibility and features.
@jensekenobi2423
@jensekenobi2423 Ай бұрын
I appreciate that you’re being honest in these reviews ! ❤
@RainerK.
@RainerK. Ай бұрын
Snake oil.
@kdkseven
@kdkseven Ай бұрын
100%
@Jucelegario
@Jucelegario Ай бұрын
yes, the concept of adding filters is great but is not executed here like it should, where we see it adds contrast and more saturation...it crushes the white tones and thats a no no in my book.
@eugenemorrison2720
@eugenemorrison2720 Ай бұрын
They know gamers get hung up on inconsequential details and will pay money for "the best" experience. Even though much of this can be accomplished with TV adjustments.
@Jucelegario
@Jucelegario Ай бұрын
@@eugenemorrison2720 true.
@daddykarlmarx6183
@daddykarlmarx6183 Ай бұрын
Completely wrong
@GamingintoEternity
@GamingintoEternity Ай бұрын
Jason, thanks for your honest review. I don't quite get it either between these two new options. The differences don't enhance the experience.
@ADAMNATOR
@ADAMNATOR Ай бұрын
Honestly from what I can see it looks like a lotta these modes really just end up LOSING information and clarity, both in the Whites/Highlights and the Blacks/Shadows. The kirby Switch footage was losing a LOT of high-end gray information and the Crash Bandicoot PS1 footage was losing a BUNCH in the low-end gray/black info. Funnily enough, in an attempt to “improve” the visual quality, they just end up making it much, much worse. GameDevs spend a lot of time chosing hues, brightness, and saturation for a reason! Often through a deep understanding of the video signals involved, which in contrast (pun very much intended) Marseille does not seem to have.
@johnnyappleseed7406
@johnnyappleseed7406 Ай бұрын
Week 1 of asking MJR to bring back the GAMER EATS series 🤘
@DanielSanchez-ke5dp
@DanielSanchez-ke5dp Ай бұрын
Seconded !
@mikeymacaque
@mikeymacaque Ай бұрын
If you live anywhere with a vibrant Facebook Marketplace scene, you can get a small CRT for free. I was never a CRT true believer until I found one in my garage, but now I’m glad I don’t have to mess with any processors or scalers.
@patrickmcdonnell8835
@patrickmcdonnell8835 Ай бұрын
I used to have a CRT but I replaced it for the Retrotink 5x I wanted to take advantage of SVideo, component, and RGB the CRT only supported composite also the space
@mikeymacaque
@mikeymacaque Ай бұрын
@ fair enough. I’m lucky enough to have a CRT that supports svideo and component.
@Oceanandskylinevidss
@Oceanandskylinevidss Ай бұрын
@@mikeymacaque Seriously CRT is such a hassle free advantage for hooking up, composite/s video. But for pvm if you're using rgb, you really have to do your research buying the right rgb cables depending on your pvm , I think there are 4 different sync cables for rgb. Composite on sync, sync on composite, sync on luma and C Sync. 😩
@superjesperdave
@superjesperdave Ай бұрын
This was a very informative video. Great review
@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@krisfrederick5001
@krisfrederick5001 Ай бұрын
"So...what would you say YA DO here?" -Bob #1 Office Space 😂
@overlordalfredo
@overlordalfredo Ай бұрын
I just remembered that I also have one of those and I found it so incredibly useless due to the additional power supply needed that I don't even remember where I put it 😅 Thank you for an honest review of the new models ❤
@JohnnyCProduction
@JohnnyCProduction Ай бұрын
These sort of products just never made sense to me. Most of small details you will never notice when you are focused playing the game. Reminds me of how Sony was really trying to push the PS5 Pro and how it’s so important you can see those small details in the background in games, like I’m gonna be focusing on that when actually playing the game.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Ай бұрын
I'm particularly puzzled about the decision to use HDMI as an input for the retro version. I'm glad that he pointed out in the video that none of those consoles come with HDMI and so you either need to mod them to add HDMI or use something like the retrotink to conver to HDMI. Personally though, I mostly use my Mister FPGA for supported consoles.
@MrInuhanyou123
@MrInuhanyou123 12 күн бұрын
I mean you can make the same argument for DLSS but Nvidia swears by it
@JohnnyCProduction
@JohnnyCProduction 12 күн бұрын
@@MrInuhanyou123 true, I don’t play a lot of PC games but for people who do, does DLSS improve your experience at all?
@Gubalicious
@Gubalicious Ай бұрын
Mclassic used with wii u for gamecube games gives a lovely output at 1080p compared with not using it. It makes a difference and i like using it.
@sonictonic_
@sonictonic_ Ай бұрын
Exactly how I use mine too and love it. Glad I don't need to buy a new one! lol
@ZacS-o3k
@ZacS-o3k Ай бұрын
Yes and n64 eon! Makes a big difference
@Mia-rk9en
@Mia-rk9en Ай бұрын
I am impressed how much better GameCube games look with this adapter.
@piaehm1861
@piaehm1861 Ай бұрын
@@Gubalicious you would even get wqhd, on a wqhd-monitor. I use it like that, but on most TVs, it's just upscaling to 1080p, because of the missing (internal) wqhd-upscaler. If that would be the case, you could get 4k(on a 4K TV)
@eugenemorrison2720
@eugenemorrison2720 Ай бұрын
I think what they were thinking was: Gamers get really hung up on inconsequential details and will pay for things that make them feel like they're getting 'the best' experience. And they will no doubt sell a decent amount of these, even though for the most part, these "improvements" can be accomplished with adjusting your TV or monitor contrast and saturation.
@seansretroverse9082
@seansretroverse9082 Ай бұрын
Video game snake oil in my honest opinion. The question should be "does this device increase my enjoyment of playing a game?" The answer is certainly NO in this case. I think these companies are mistaking the difference between their engineers finding enjoyment of tinkering when building and designing these things, versus the enjoyment of end users playing a game on a modern TV. People can definitely get hooked on dialing in subtle differences when building it for themselves, but that doesn't translate well to those who just want to play the games. Having only 3 options is hardly "dialing it in". If they want to make something so people can dial it in, then it should have a bunch of knobs and dials!
@XboxSpecialist
@XboxSpecialist Ай бұрын
Seriously there’s only 3 colors . Red , Green , & Blue . Then there’s basically only Brightness and Contrast remaining other than screen dimensions .
@dantehchad2227
@dantehchad2227 Ай бұрын
​@@XboxSpecialistClearly that's the problem. Why haven't they invented a device that adds new colors to the light spectrum? How about something that comes in below ultraviolet? We can't see that anyway, so they could launch it in beta, and nobody would know to complain when it doesn't work. Someone needs to get on this, stat!
@ZacS-o3k
@ZacS-o3k Ай бұрын
I like it when paired with eon64! And if have extra $ then get it but no one does so…
@peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472
@peanutmansemporiumofrandom7472 Ай бұрын
One person calls it snake oil and then every generic bozo calls it snake oil as well. If you’re going to criticize the product, use a thesaurus and expand your vocabulary genius.
@rossvegas7
@rossvegas7 Ай бұрын
Would you like to buy some magic beans ?!
@GavinTownsley
@GavinTownsley Ай бұрын
But you've been buying magic beans for years 🤷
@rossvegas7
@rossvegas7 Ай бұрын
@GavinTownsley ???
@Byte5
@Byte5 Ай бұрын
Thank you for being sincere! Great video BTW.
@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@joelou
@joelou Ай бұрын
I really like the original M classic, was very curious to see how different algorithms would effect things.
@chutcentral
@chutcentral Ай бұрын
Its caca
@C-Murph
@C-Murph Ай бұрын
They did nothing. Same device new shells. Just messed with color levels....
@agroed
@agroed Ай бұрын
I've used the original mClassic for going on 3 years. The OG worked fine. Really helped 6th gen games look a lot better, especially with component/SCART/HDMI out (showing off composite is doing it a disservice but you can still see how big the difference is at least). Pretty much useless for everything else though, and these new "revisions" are just a complete waste of time, like WTF. Edit: If you're confused on the existence of these devices like I was, go watch Adam Koralik's video. He does a much better job at explaining what this new lineup is actually supposed to do.
@Mia-rk9en
@Mia-rk9en Ай бұрын
Thank you. I will watch it. As much as i like Jesus. This Video doesn't seem to do the adapter justice or explain it well and i am really curious. Because even with no effort to get the setup right i see an impressive difference in the GameCube Signal in this video.
@McLovin0826
@McLovin0826 Ай бұрын
Love how you did the side by sides for this video
@alexanderconrad9341
@alexanderconrad9341 Ай бұрын
I got two of these. One for my original xbox and the other for my dreamcast. I saw years ago you had one on your channel, and I was blown away by the difference. So I thank you for showing me this device.
@nowonmetube
@nowonmetube Ай бұрын
Not just scanlines, but they should also focus on 4K. Scanlines are between pixels, so you need a higher resolution for that.
@blubbntroet
@blubbntroet Ай бұрын
I‘m very happy with the og mClassic. Using it with N64, PS1/2, Dreamcast and Gamecube. All of them output 480p, based on their connected devices like Carby, retrotink2xScart etc., upscaling it to my 1080p TV. But I don’t get those 2 new versions other than tricking people to need 2 devices now…
@Scrapppy
@Scrapppy Ай бұрын
Vintage retro+ = washed out vintage jeans filter.
@southtexasatlatl
@southtexasatlatl Ай бұрын
Bought the original one a few years ago, it worked well with my Dreamcast and Kaico HDMI adapter upscaling to 1080p. Did notice a nicer image when connected to my Switch. Once I got ahold of a Retrotink 5x Pro the following year, I haven't used it since and completely forgot about it. 17:44
@MrMurosama
@MrMurosama Ай бұрын
Good Video! I think gamers have to be super careful these days to not be ripped off every now and then. First thing I remember really regretting (still) is buying the Neo Geo Mini, which just in about every aspect sucks. Thanks for your videos, dude, you've stopped me from buying a thing or two already in the past but I also got to know (and eventually own) some cool stuff like the Evercade... Please keep 'em videos comin' 🙂 p.s.: If you look at 13:58 (guy sitting on table), it seems to me like the contrast in the right picture (green LED) is just a notch higher than in the other two pictures... maybe it's my eyes playing tricks on me, but I think you can see just a little bit more detail (check the different imperfections in the snow, for example). Barely noticable, though, if it's even really there...🤔
@TruxtonTatsujin
@TruxtonTatsujin Ай бұрын
Bought and returned one a little while ago. All it seemed to do is put a crappy schmear filter on anything 720p and bellow. 1080p and up I noticed no difference.
@WebstersYouTube
@WebstersYouTube Ай бұрын
I've always seen these as a solution in search of a problem. The mClassic range just seems to smear the image with some kind of bilinear filter while adjusting the contrast and saturation. As you say, if someone can get their console to HDMI, they likely already have a better solution, such as an Open Source Scan Converter, GBS-Control or RetroTink. And that customer base doesn't want smears, they typically want pixel perfect.
@darcyska
@darcyska Ай бұрын
Appreciate the honest review of these products
@humblemudgames
@humblemudgames Ай бұрын
As someone who has the original mClassic and really enjoys mine... Fantastic video, man! The moment you revealed these two "new" models, I was confused because the functions they're advertising are already done pretty well with the standard mClassic. Other than the USB port which has gotten a little finicky with time, I love using mine on most Switch, PS3, Wii, Wii U games. But there's just absolutely no need for these devices. Thanks for being totally transparent about it, you're right -- this was a huge missed opportunity by a company who I feel like had a good amount of praise! And great choice of games by the way -- Love Cruis'n Blast and 1080 Avalanche.
@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
Glad you liked the video. You're totally right!
@ZumbeeYTB
@ZumbeeYTB Ай бұрын
12:20 literally the ONLY difference I can see is a singular shadow on Crash's ear, that is already difficult to notice, is less visible on the right due to it being ever so slightly brighter, that's literally it, that is the saddest thing I have seen in a while lol
@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
Also notice how the Smash videos get slightly out of sync as it goes on? I think it's adding a frame of lag every once in a while. Not to be expected, but shows it's "doing stuff" LOL
@ZumbeeYTB
@ZumbeeYTB Ай бұрын
@@MetalJesusRocks that is incredible LMAO
@thenostalgiafactor5023
@thenostalgiafactor5023 Ай бұрын
There's a slight color difference in the title on that screen as well.
@jesusramirezromo2037
@jesusramirezromo2037 Ай бұрын
There's a small amount of red hue, Hard to notice (a lot of people have bad color perception), It's most noticable on the yellow text, the yellow sand and the wood and the tree wich are slightly more red
@m.hreels9822
@m.hreels9822 Ай бұрын
I'm glad you made a video on this! Thank you for sharing
@ThatPrettyBMF
@ThatPrettyBMF Ай бұрын
I like the green LED effect. That looked really good on the Kirby demo. Also, the colors on the Bandicoot demo were slightly brighter and more yellow: Crash himself appeared slightly more orange than red, for example.
@RockSWPA
@RockSWPA Ай бұрын
I watch most of your videos but this one I didnt really plan on until I saw you rocking the Spirit Adrift shirt 🤘🤘🤘
@therealyogibear2k225
@therealyogibear2k225 Ай бұрын
Thank you Jason for an amazing review of this thing and an honest review, too. This is why you are the best, for me at reviews like this as you always give an honest answer. I had one of these back in 2019 when I had a real PS2, and even back then I saw very little point to it. Now, all my retro is on emulation, and I do not own any retro consoles at all and see no need to do so for my situation living alone. And, of course with most emulators you can do many enhancements anyway. The only issue I have with this whole video is saying that we all own 4k displays. No. I don't. I cannot afford one yet. Hopefully after Christmas I will, but for now it's 1080p for me.
@ethefunfetti
@ethefunfetti Ай бұрын
They are blue and green That's what they do.
@Stephen_Eee
@Stephen_Eee Ай бұрын
lol
@Thomaticus
@Thomaticus Ай бұрын
They need to get all of these features in a single device. I had the original version. I enjoyed it, but i experienced a lot of screen tearing. I was unable to resolve the issue and had to return it. I hope the company takes MJR's recommendations.
@angeles2425
@angeles2425 Ай бұрын
Samsung TV?
@davidcjupp
@davidcjupp Ай бұрын
Full Throttle in the intro, Gibson Les Paul Custom in the background…. Video games… Aaaaaand that’s a sub.
@brimstoneshadow
@brimstoneshadow Ай бұрын
reminds me of my favorite MJR moment... "clicky thumbsticks is very hard to make"
@sonictonic_
@sonictonic_ Ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this!
@shoked99
@shoked99 Ай бұрын
Wow, what the point indeed. Thanks for shedding some light on this.
@gamernaut8864
@gamernaut8864 Ай бұрын
Another tiny step in this modern era of diminishing returns.
@tristamson
@tristamson Ай бұрын
marseille is wasting everyone's time and obviously just needs money
@mpacino1224
@mpacino1224 Ай бұрын
I read that wrong at first. I agree.
@juansalas2882
@juansalas2882 Ай бұрын
companies made products for money? oh no... anyway
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Ай бұрын
@@juansalas2882 The issue is that these newer options don't appear to do anything that the original didn't do. So, they might get somebody to buy the newer one in addition to the older one, but I can't imagine that being a particularly common occurrence, especially if people watch these videos. Most of the sales they'll get from this are sales they would have already gotten from the original device. If they wanted people to upgrade, they should have released a more expensive version that was upgraded with things like USB-C and perhaps a more powerful chip on it.
@Thewa5ian
@Thewa5ian Ай бұрын
This is like watching ps5 vs ps5 pro comparison
@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
You’re not wrong 😂
@alanf8622
@alanf8622 Ай бұрын
Wait so this improves framerates by a noticeable margin? 🤗
@akingsley
@akingsley Ай бұрын
He’s very wrong.
@oggamer735
@oggamer735 Ай бұрын
@@akingsleyit is wrong because this is much cheaper than ps5 vs ps5pro. 😂
@subtledemisefox
@subtledemisefox Ай бұрын
​@@alanf8622 "noticeable"
@audiohazard1203nut
@audiohazard1203nut Ай бұрын
I appreciate your honest review. And thank you for your work! You are a great positive gaming KZbinr. Quite a few KZbin channels are like 80% negative.
@MetalJesusRocks
@MetalJesusRocks Ай бұрын
I try to keep it real and positive! Thanks for the support.
@GameplayandTalk
@GameplayandTalk Ай бұрын
I noticed on some of the Switch footage that the image was sharper (easy to tell on the crystal flower things in Kirby), but in most cases the difference is not noticeable. And that "Retro" model.. haha, the hoops you have to jump through. Just.. why??
@Lemondaddy33
@Lemondaddy33 Ай бұрын
It's been a minute. But, MJR always has the info to keep you wondering.... How does he know all of this? Lol thanks brother!!!!
@thomasx1003
@thomasx1003 Ай бұрын
If they added a usb port and made the programing opensource so people could edit the video processing and upload their own profiles for people to download and add to their device that'd be a pretty kl idea
@dtcharo
@dtcharo Ай бұрын
I really like the visuals Metal Jesus used in this video. While he's having trouble telling the difference I can see it pretty well. However, I think his point about noticing this while in motion might negate the benefits. I think this video is a good companion video to the one Adam Koralik did. I think MJ poses the right question and Adam's video provides an answer.
@faerieknight2298
@faerieknight2298 Ай бұрын
I guess this is evidence of why I was so excited to find a working CRT tv for retro game consoles.
@dan_evilrobot
@dan_evilrobot Ай бұрын
Yeah, I still have my original mClassic and I don't think these new ones isn't for me but it's an awesome video to understand about these new mClassics.
@Dhekranh
@Dhekranh Ай бұрын
I’d say, given the examples you showed, in a lot of moments when you said you couldn’t see any difference, on the contrary I was able to see either some smoothing, color saturation, contrast or dimming, even if slightly. Perhaps because of youtube, or perhaps because I was using an iPhone. I don’t disagree with you very much despite this, tho, because the differences are too mild, but also made me curious if they really had to make different products. I don’t know if you’ve disassembled them, but I’m curious about the hardware differences; if any at all? ‘cuz I think that there’s a chance that between the two new versions, or even with the old one, they may be the same hardware. I can infer that the “modes” are nothing but preset software configurations of the image processing, which, IF it’s the same hardware, then makes me wonder why they couldn’t just make a product that could switch to every mode in all devices via more switches, OR, even add some options in the firmware to tune the image processing to your own preferences and save it as a custom mode through some pc app. I suppose adding an extra switch and led to have all og and extra modes would’ve raised the price, but I highly doubt it’d be by much.
@WednesdayMan
@WednesdayMan Ай бұрын
I agree with the mclassic 2 take, we definitely need a system that gives us an mclassic that has a 4k 60hz mode, as the current mclassics can upscale 480p 60hz, 720p 60hz and 1080p 60hz images to 1080p 60hz and 1440p 60hz, (they can upscale 480p 30hz, 720p 30hz and 1080p 30hz signals to 4k 30hz). Not many people have external converters that can change the refreshrate of a image signal and I doubt many are willing to go find one just so they can run their 30fps games on a 4k display that supports a 30hz input. currently people just stick to upscaling the 1080p or 1440p output to 4k, how someone gets that image to 4k is up to the personal preference of the user.
@piaehm1861
@piaehm1861 Ай бұрын
I bought a mclassic and I don't wanna miss it. The problem for most TVs: they dont have an wqhd-upscaler, so it wont upscale to 4k. You need an internal upscaler. Personally I use it at an Wqhd-Monitor and its WORKING! You can clearly see the difference. So for me, its fine. Specially if I use it for switch, ps3 and even older consoles.
@Mia-rk9en
@Mia-rk9en Ай бұрын
Yep it seems to make the picture much better with the right setup.
@piaehm1861
@piaehm1861 Ай бұрын
@Mia-rk9en yes, definetly!
@silverian
@silverian Ай бұрын
Thank You for info!
@thatzaliasguy
@thatzaliasguy Ай бұрын
*Morph 4k* from *Pixel FX* is all you need. Soon adding analogue upscaling too. Much better price-to-performance.
@mathesar
@mathesar Ай бұрын
The overblown upper / whites would be a deal breaker for me, example at 6:20 look at King Dedede's coat, the white fur lining is missing subtle details on the Mclassic green side vs Direct, also the mountains to the left of the waterfall are missing details due to the same issue, at 6:30 the Mclassic Blue mode seems to do ok with highlights but it also doesnt look much different vs. Switch direct, then he switches to Green mode at 6:39 and the overblown highlights are back.
@ez720
@ez720 Ай бұрын
I’m watching on a LG CX and I can see color differences when you say there isn’t but it’s not significant. love the content.
@SolidSonicTH
@SolidSonicTH Ай бұрын
Personally I've considered these in the past because I was looking for a way to get a constant 1080p out of an HDMI signal. My Viture XR glasses require a 1080p signal to function so if I wanted to do something like play PS3 with them I'd need a way to manipulate the signal coming out of the box to always output at a consistent 1080p. If it drops below 1080p (as PS3 games often do) then the glasses freak out and won't work properly. There may be a better way to do this, though.
@andrij.demianczuk
@andrij.demianczuk Ай бұрын
Even the original MClassic had very little impact IMO. I still use it with my eon gchd though because it helps keep the true 4:3 aspect ratio in check. Other than that I forget I’m using one most of the time 🤷‍♂️
@MajorTomgames
@MajorTomgames Ай бұрын
looks like it just boosts the red value a bit?
@AnnCatsanndra
@AnnCatsanndra Ай бұрын
I'm glad to know these exist as an option! ...but I have no idea why I would want one.
@esk8jaimes
@esk8jaimes Ай бұрын
Apparently the trick is to have your Switch settings at its native 720p, especially as the stock dock upscaling to 1080p isn’t completely great. At least that what others have said...
@idxman01
@idxman01 Ай бұрын
I was pretty jazzed up for the Retro mclassic, but the color saturation options left me confused and ultimately I've not purchased yet. I do have the OG mClassic and honestly it cleans things up VERY nicely in my experience. (usually use it on snes thru wii. 64 and GC seem the best. Modded Wii is very crisp) I guess retro's default mode still does the same as the OG's retro mode so that's cool. I was looking to have another mclassic to not have to move it from the wii over to the retro setup in another room, but $70+ for that is a bit much. It would be cool to have some configuration and/or firmware options this time as well. Like someone else posted there doesn't seem to be a good middle ground between garbage and high-end retroTink/OSSC. Maybe I should have just gotten a tink 2x pro by the time i bought the mclassic and other items. lol
@StillFeelGoodMan
@StillFeelGoodMan Ай бұрын
Im too early so hi Mjr hope you are having a great day and may you also have a wondeful new year !
@MichaelODonoghueMOD
@MichaelODonoghueMOD Ай бұрын
Best results i got with mclassic was with 360 set to 720p. I didnt notice as much improvement with 6th gen consoles. I noticed less of an improvement if source set to 1080p
@joeykeilholz925
@joeykeilholz925 Ай бұрын
Makes sense because 720p to 4k is nonlinear so it looks like ass by default
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 Ай бұрын
@@joeykeilholz925 720p can be integer scaled to 4K
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Ай бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 Yes, as long as there's a nice integer value that can be multiplied by both the X and Y directions to get the upscaled value, you still get something that looks pretty good. It's when there are decimals involved where you get issues with it looking like absolute garbage. It's why certain resolutions looks so bad on LCD screens and other non-native ones still look OK-ish.
@joeivo911
@joeivo911 Ай бұрын
If you squint you can see a difference!
@akpokemon
@akpokemon Ай бұрын
6:39 The green LED mode or whatever looks very nice IMO -- I can tell a good difference
@aleckermit
@aleckermit Ай бұрын
The Crash Bandicoot footage is pretty improved by the M classic. Look at the white text that says Bandicoot and you'll notice sharper outline around the text Bandicoot and added detail to the trees in the background and if that's visible in a compressed KZbin video it has to be very visible in person. I think some people's eyes just aren't trained to pick up on smaller details.
@TheMorningIWokeUpDead
@TheMorningIWokeUpDead Ай бұрын
look the comparison with "night mode" turned on, then you'll see the difference enchanced. televisions are very differenty and you'll want solution to get the color mode right. In my eyes the blue looks like crap, green ok .. I work a lot on computer with 6 different monitors every day so my eyes are really sensitive to it and the little changes to the blue tint. Hope my rambling post makes sense :D
@leorojas6390
@leorojas6390 Ай бұрын
5:30 Lol MJR puts in that one Family Guy meme. But yeah, these new versions of the mclassic are hard to tell the difference.
@BDreGaming
@BDreGaming Ай бұрын
It would be cool if you did a Christmas episode, where you exchanged Christmas presents with Reggie and others in the MJR family. Similar to what happy console gamer does.
@hat8918
@hat8918 Ай бұрын
I've had an mClassic for 4 years and it is one of my favorite devices. Firstly, most people don't use it correctly. You have to turn-off within the console, any upscaling, and restrict it to it's native resolution (this includes turning-off dynamic resolution). This allows the upscaler to turn on with the mClassic which is a significantly higher quality upscaler than what the Switch or PS3 has. If you don't restrict to the native resolution of the game, and turn-off dynamic resolutions, the mClassic will not upscale the image, and only apply anti-aliasing and color enhancements. Also, unless your tv officially supports 1440p without being forced, the most the mClassic will do is upscale to 1080p, not 1440p. My tv fortunately supports 1440p without being forced, but it also works on my capture card too. MClassic has an official tv compatibility list that you can check to see which tvs will support 1440p, if you are not trying to play through a capture card. Most PS3 games restricted to 720p, look fantastic with the mClassic, boosting the image to 1440p, while maintaining a locked framerate. FF13 comes to mind as looking particularly great. For the Switch, I have it restricted to 720p for all games, and use the mClassic, and it looks fantastic. I have not really noticed any significant enhancements to pixel based games, or really anything pre-PS2 era. One other area I have used the mClassic on, is with my mini-PC. It isn't powerful enough to run AAA games at 60 FPS 1080p, but it can run 60 FPS at 720p. So I use the mClassic, and it boosts the image to 1440p, without putting strain on my mini-pc. It's one of my favorite devices.
@C-Murph
@C-Murph Ай бұрын
It's a plug and play device. You can't blame user error for It's shortcomings man. This new release is just color levels and color shells. That's all.
@hat8918
@hat8918 Ай бұрын
@C-Murph I watched the video and explained why it wasn't working based on what was presented. Sorry, truth hurts.
@C-Murph
@C-Murph Ай бұрын
@@hat8918 The product barely works. The Blue and Green are pointless and obsolete before they drop. You seem to be in denial and have have problems accepting the truth. It's ok, you can get help.
@AGuyNamedZach
@AGuyNamedZach Ай бұрын
The original mClassic I have does everything I need it to. Seeing the newer ones in motion through this video combined with the devices not even updating to use USB-C, I'll stick with the mClassic I already have.
@nimrodlevy
@nimrodlevy Ай бұрын
Thank you! You talked exactly what I thought. Also, micro b in 2024?! No. They could afford type c. Period. No excuses!
@jameswilson591
@jameswilson591 Ай бұрын
I bought an OSSC like 4 years ago and it’s compatible with all of my retro systems. They all look amazing and there is no input delay.
@hiccup247
@hiccup247 Ай бұрын
That makes two of us.
@jesusramirezromo2037
@jesusramirezromo2037 Ай бұрын
12:19 There's like a TINY hue change, It looks slightly reder, more noticable on the sand
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin Ай бұрын
I can see some very distinct color differences in the side by sides, specially on the Switch. I don't mean this to be rude at all, but I think video comparison has probably never really been your wheelhouse I reckon, & that's perfectly fine. Im not sure if it has to do w different individuals eyes, but some ppl seem to be much more sensitive to subtle display changes while others are not. Heck, there are some ppl that can literally see a single framedrop within a 60FPS output, which is pretty wild when you really think about it! For example, the Kirby footage, there were some pretty huge color & sharpness differences happening there, while for you there wasn't much difference. That's honestly a blessing in disguise cus it means you won't be fooled by bad scalers so easily. They will need to make a legit difference in order to impress you. So we know if you come out & say that a scaler truly impresses you, it MUST be good! 😁
@lonreed9743
@lonreed9743 Ай бұрын
I think I’ll stick to my CRT picture options. 😊
@dustinkinard7431
@dustinkinard7431 Ай бұрын
I use the mClassic with the Retrotink mini on my TCL 4k tv, but not for any visual enhancements. I had issues with the Retrotink mini connected directly to the tv; mainly it would drop the signal randomly for a few seconds, then display on the tv again. And also, the tv doesn’t have a squeeze video mode, so the image from the Retrotink was being stretched. The mClassic helps to retain a steady image, and the 4:3 mode of it keeps the proper aspect ratio.
@HerbieBancock
@HerbieBancock Ай бұрын
Salad: "What's the point?!"
@danhowell3574
@danhowell3574 Ай бұрын
I have the mClassic. It was good for up-rezing 320p, 480p, 720p or 1080p up 1440p. Great for my PS3 and PS4 in to a 1440p monitor. It provides antialiasing as well and tends to boost the colors a bit. Did a good job improving slightly improving the video to my Playstation VR headset as well. Nice gadget is used the right way.
@GenXX1976
@GenXX1976 Ай бұрын
I just use the Retron 5 to cover most of the retro stuff. I also have a Duo for TG16 and PCE. 2600+ for Atari. I find that it works pretty well.
@justbuildgunpla1315
@justbuildgunpla1315 Ай бұрын
There's no way marseille tested these things internally before production, and didn't see that it does absolutely nothing.
@kyles3335
@kyles3335 Ай бұрын
I bought one of these when they first came out a couple of years ago. I use it on my homemade android based pinball machine to sharpen up the graphics.
@Zetchzie
@Zetchzie Ай бұрын
That beard is a great look for you idk why it just really works.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin Ай бұрын
Kinda funny how the mClassic wasn't even trying to deinterlace the Sonic 2 Split Screen footage. Quality stuff 😅
@Durrutitv
@Durrutitv Ай бұрын
All people really want from these devices is a decent upscaler at a decent price. When you start messing around with color grading, something people can do in their TV settings 99% of the time, you've lost the plot. These guys have floated on their success in the Amazon algorithm, but eventually someone's going to come along with a 4K upscaler at a competitive price and wipe them off the board.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Ай бұрын
$100 is a lot for something like this, my RetroTink 2x was $130 and can actually handle the outputs from my NES, Genesis, N64, Dreamcast and whatever other pre-HDMI consoles I've got lying around.
@jaredt2590
@jaredt2590 Ай бұрын
I have a retrotink 2x pro and not having scanlines is a deal killer for me. If a scaler is advertised as for retro consoles it should have an optional scanline filter, all the old games were meant to be viewed with every other line unused on old crts so you get that depth to the graphics the developers intended and the sprites look right.
@khreativa
@khreativa Ай бұрын
Pumping up the saturation/contrast on your TV costs you nothing. The retro mode is aweful.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Ай бұрын
Yes, although it can be a pain if your TV doesn't have a way of storing the setting for later on.
@Stephen_Eee
@Stephen_Eee Ай бұрын
Is it just me or does the sky on Burnout 3 look better than I've seen the sky look in years?
@Artur_Iozzi
@Artur_Iozzi Ай бұрын
They probably had a lot of units sitting in a warehouse and decided to change the firmware and color scheme to make "new versions". That would explain the obsolete USB connector.
@lonreed9743
@lonreed9743 Ай бұрын
I use a flat screen monitor with my Dreamcast, I already have the best picture.
@maths8971
@maths8971 Ай бұрын
The red one is pretty good I use it often especially with the switch
@3rdeyefocused
@3rdeyefocused Ай бұрын
All I know is that the video on the left looks much better and clearer than the video on the right.
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