It's Election Time!!! Who Are You Voting For??!!

[@halfcenturycollectingcards]

1) John Donaldson 2) Dick Allen 3) Ken Boyer 4) Luis Tiant. There is quite a bit of research out there on Donaldson and a few good KZbin Videos including a little clip of him pitching. A great story worth getting to know. He got quite a bit of support on the previous classic era ballot and with only one other (Jose Mendez) black pitcher in the hall from the pre-Negro League era (before 1920) I think he's got a good chance. Also doesn't hurt that John McGraw, who managed Christy Mathewson ,says Donaldson was the best pitcher he had seen back in that 1910's era. He didn't get a playing era card, but is in the 1978 Laughlin Long Ago Black Stars set and has a 1986 card in the Larry Fritsch set of Negro League Baseball Stars for his earliest cards.

[@JohnMiller-jj9kx]

Allen, Parker, Boyer for sure! Munson just st didn’t put in enough years to really put him in.

[@baseballHOFautographs]

Love the video, naturally. Harris and Parker are my guesses for whom they elect, subject to change once the voting members come out.

[@billyballgamesportscards]

Boyer! Boyer! Boyer! Takes off Cardinals colored glasses, Dave Parker gets in. Great conversation, fellas!

[@timsfgiantsmem9382]

Im tellin ya now the HOF better gets its sh it together. After that Election im not having any of this non sense anymore with old outdated people telling us how its gonna go. HOf must do better or loose the whole thang

[@BaseballCollector]

I actually like the 51 Topps cards a lot.

[@timsfgiantsmem9382]

@@BaseballCollector 🤣🤣

[@ACD1994]

Disappointed Munson was snubbed. I would vote for Tommy John.

[@markhoyle2275]

Who gets in all depends on who’s on the committee. These veterans committee always vote in there buddies

[@MrPretty20]

Hall of Favorites

[@BigHarv]

I can't speak on the Negro League players, but Allen, Parker and John all deserve to be in the Hall and personalities have kept two of the three out so far. Allen and Parker's playing careers should have gotten them in a long time ago. I have heard over and over that Tommy John is a compiler and if that's the argument against him, it could be argued that Nolan Ryan was a compiler as well. He played a long time, but during that time he had comparable stats to Hall of Fame players; Jim Kaat, Bert Blyleven and Robin Roberts. He also missed a year and a half in what would be the prime for many pitchers having what was then a experimental surgery. Then he pitched for another 18 years. Finished top 5 three times and 2nd in the Cy Young twice.

[@stevesousa1475]

Great show Mike! Bill Madlock and Al Oliver both had great careers.

[@BaseballCollector]

They did indeed.

[@DennisO-g9m]

No brainer. Tommy John. Come on.

[@BaseballCollector]

We will see.

[@thomaswilburn6217]

I think they should stop veteran/classic era committee elections. If you missed it when you were on the ballot 15 times (most these guys were part of the old rules), then you missed. There are enough Lloyd Waners and Bobby Doerrs in the hall already. In fact the one player I would consider because he DIED while he was playing would be Munson because he also played a high value position and his numbers compare highly with some of the best in the hall.

[@benjaminlyng8269]

Agree 100 pct on these antiquated committees. They served a purpose at one point in history, but now all they are good for is putting marginal candidates in the hall. Re Munson - the writers could’ve done a special election after he died similar to the special election they had when Lou Gehrig got sick. But they chose not to.

[@calronske1853]

@@thomaswilburn6217 the reason for these committee's is the voters ineptitude in the first place. Geez.

[@mikenunya3655]

Dirk Diggler! 2024

[@Rocketrickj18]

Dick Allen, Dave Parker, Ken Boyer, Tommy John.

[@calronske1853]

@@Rocketrickj18 and Garvey.

[@thatoldyankeesguy]

I would definitely take Dave Parker 1st, Steve Garvey 2nd and Dick Allen 3rd. These guys were all really good players but Dave, with the Pirates and Reds, and Steve, with the Dodgers and Padres, contributed the most to actual winning teams. And yes Thurman Munson and Donnie Baseball should both be in the HoF. ⚾ 🇺🇲

[@whitesoxfancardcollector]

I don't think the committee can go wrong with electing any of these individuals. They can make an error by not electing anyone. I personally would like to see Parker and Allen.

[@TripleCrown24]

1) I'm the 69th like, nice. 2) Here to campaign for Sweet Lou Whitaker even though he's not on this ballot.

[@BaseballCollector]

FYI JT, I would vote for Sweet Lou

[@BringingTheHeat-VBC]

I'm voting for Mangianini, Dick Allen and Thurman Munson. Garvey is gonna have to wait. and I loved him. Only player to make an all star team as a write in. Of which I wrote his name 50 times in 1974. Then he WON the All-Star MVP that year.

[@RickAcostaDodgerCardCollector]

Richie Allen, Steve Garvey and hopefully Dave Parker.

[@mikethesportshistorycollec1947]

I have no problem with any of these players getting in...but no Thurman Munson? Munson and Dick Allen should have waltzed in a long time ago.

[@BaseballCollector]

I agree Mike.

[@mangobango6970]

Still no Thurman Munson, these people choosing are deranged. It wasn't his fault he didn't make it 10 years in the league.

[@BaseballCollector]

Munson played 11 seasons.

[@jlbaseballcards]

I bought Garvey's auto right after watching this video. You guys are a bad influence 😂

[@jon-eriksuermann9844]

Ken Boyer lost 2 years to military service. Has more hardware, and didn’t get to hit in Wrigley compared to Santo. Arguably the best 3b in the NL for several years🎉 (examples are AS game selections and gold gloves). For vintage card collectors he appears on many league leader/AS/WS cards from 59-65.

[@calronske1853]

I lived in Chicago so Santo trashing is not allowed but Kenny Boyer is ALSO a HOF-er. These 2 guys were outstanding. Period. End of discussion.

[@jon-eriksuermann9844]

@@calronske1853 I wasn’t speaking of Santo negatively. I do believe that if Boyer had those 2 years and played in wrigley he would have much higher counting stats.

[@benjaminlyng8269]

You shouldn’t combine player and manager attributes because this guy is being a valuated as a player. There’s a separate process for managers on the Veterans committee. However, we should not be putting any more managers in the Hall of Fame.

[@gregmalone5302]

I'd take Garvey over Dick Allen. Numbers similar but Garvey played in major pennant chases and playoff games and exceled as well as 2 all star game mvp's. Not sure Dick Allen has any moments to point to. Tommy John for his success after the surgery named after him deserves to be in the hof.

[@calronske1853]

@@gregmalone5302 common sense says they BOTH are HOF'ers. Garvey didn't have the same real life path Allen had in 1963 but I wouldn't hold that against him either. I lived thru his 1972 season...not sure if Garvey could have done what he did to a no-name team and a city. Can't make broad and not really thought-out statements on players who take thousands of different paths. Been watching players from 1956 on and will only comment on players I know all about.

[@jeffs8614]

Nice chat. Love your channel when i can find the time. The BBHOF should not be the hall of statistics. Nor should it be a make-up for prior indiscretions or appeasements. Is longevity the baseline? Because you played longer and had more stats, should you get in? I saw both Dick Allen and Tommy John play in Chicago and both were truly remarkable. Did they sustain over their careers ? No. I saw Parker play for both the Reds and Pirates (the coke boys). He I believe is deserving but his drug problems cloud his legacy. I remember Boyer in 64 but I was too young to comprehend it. Mr Perfect Garvey killed the Cubs in 1984 but if he had played in a small market no one would remember him. El Tiante was good for baseball. I would vote for him based on that fact alone. I am not running for President but I approve this message!

[@BaseballCollector]

Great points.

[@ACollectorsDream]

Great stuff, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Allen, Munson, Tiant and ?

[@MrPretty20]

I’d take Vada Pinson over any of them

[@calronske1853]

@@MrPretty20 Let's just add Pinson to the rest of them. They all deserve it. It's flat out ridiculous that we are nit-picking these players in 20 frickin' 24.

[@toddk4729]

I think Garvey , Parker and Tiant. But I don’t have a problem with any of them.

[@gundy98]

If Don Sutton is in then Tommy John should be in! 😂

[@BaseballCollector]

Not a bad comparison but I would say that Don Sutton was better by almost every measure.

[@benjaminlyng8269]

I almost missed / late for a meeting looking up the stats of these 8 guys nominated. Hope none are elected on 12/8. Surprised no Rose.

[@calronske1853]

Good thing you're not on the committee...

[@MarkfromKy]

Allen finally gets in I think Parker will to

[@jacobworthey3645]

The title of the video definitely got me!

[@BaseballCollector]

I hoped it would!!

[@calronske1853]

This discussion has got me annoyed as hell. Right off the bat, is Dick Allen. You brought in a guy who knows absolutely NOTHING about Allen. All he did was mumble and stumble at first and then starts in with the negative garbage. You didn't help either, Mike. His career was affected before he even GOT to Philly with racism in the deep south. He almost went home. That's why he always wore a batting helmet in the field-stupid people throwing crap at him. Stats are nice, but the ONE stat that people NEED to know is that from 1964-74 eleven yr span, his OPS was only .001 behind Hank Aaron. Yeah, that Aaron. All his issues were with the press. Wow, only guy that didn't get along with the press?? That, to me has ZERO bearing on HOF qualities. It's vindictive voters who are butt-hurt by Allen. It's disgusting. Then I lived through the 1972 season as a 16 yr old. He still is #1a with me. Look at that team roster & honestly tell me they would close to overtaking the mighty A's?? He was an amazing player and they wait until he's dead. Good job guys.

[@BaseballCollector]

I agreed with you. I chose Dick Allen as my number 1 choice as well.

[@calronske1853]

@@BaseballCollector sorry Mike I really was talking about the other guy. Dick Allen, as you can see, is a real touchy subject w/me. People who didn't watch him regularly, either in person or TV, always bring up the same boring negative, rehashed garbage. Unfortunately, he didn't have anything to say after "Well, uh, um..." other than the above-mentioned pablum. I have MY OWN HOF...& we should do background checks on these voters and keep them out of the writer's HOF until there gone. Went thru this insanity w/Santo, Tiant, etc. Now Pete Rose....Damn, this subject fires me up!!

[@hall-of-fame-pullers1058]

@@calronske1853Sorry to disappoint you, sir. Unfortunately, his career was over before I was born and I can only discuss what I’ve read. I’m jealous that you had the opportunity to see him play.

[@cryptonite8495]

Mookie for president!

[@ClementeCollector]

Good stuff guys!

[@BaseballCollector]

Thanks Theo.

[@aaronkinsky5386]

Hey. Mike. Mlove the baseball card. Challenge

[@BaseballCollector]

Huh?

[@timsfgiantsmem9382]

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[@tkh525]

He’d better win if he expects to stay outta prison.

[@timsfgiantsmem9382]

@@tkh525 All my Heroes been in HandCuffs Before

[@chasinwhitetail9426]

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