MDF shaker doors / how to make shaker doors

[@blueangelstudios]

Mate.! .. KZbin just popped you into my feed.. watched this and looked at your other vids briefly... As an old-timer cabinet maker do everything my way kinda bloke .. My opinion is this... You are an excellent woodworking artisan. You are soo beating yourself up too much and selling yourself short. I have been at this for over 40 years and make mistakes and do things that bug me every single day., it is part of it. Other folk are good editors and show success over and over. What you do is show how a real skilled person constantly stresses over perfection while dealing with the inevitable problems and how to overcome. You're a great guy mate. Knowledgeable and determined. Your kit is awesome and out of reach of most. Please stop beating yourself up, pal... The fun is in overcoming problems..its a challenge of the craft. Well done pal... Really enjoyed the random feed put into my youtube... Subbed :0)) Chris.

[@eggmatic1]

Thankyou for sharing this mate, it feels really good that I'm not the only one who worries about mistakes. It's made worst by you tube and editing to portray perfect people. Really appreciate it.

[@eggmatic1]

I know your post was aimed at lowes, it just really resonates with me.

[@BruceMarkos]

@@eggmatic1 Me too, well done @thegrumpymonkey

[@chevyimp5857]

Brilliant comment 👍

[@davidjennings9253]

I have only one thing to say. You have protected your ears from the noise but the most important thing has been forgotten. Always wear a mask, particularly when you machine MDF. I lost a dear friend because he did not wear a mask all the time and he died from throat cancer, caused by the MDF dust. Please wear a mask in future and make sure you tell your followers to do the same.

[@davidjennings9253]

@@joseph7105 My friend had never smoked in his life!!! I assure you that MDF was the cause and it is well known in the timber trade certainly in Europe. The combination of formaldehyde and incredibly fine dust is what affected his esophagus and after working with MDF for about three years he was taken very quickly. Don't mess with this material - Always wear a mask!!!

[@Stedemn]

Good idea

[@johnathantaylor3199]

I know a guy who was a non-smoker. He was Woodworker. He did not wear a mask and he developed COPD due to the exposure.

[@nixygill7007]

This popped up on my KZbin feed as well. Good to see another British woodworking channel.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks dude

[@coreymcniel3390]

My adventure with woodworking started with Stodoys plans.

[@johl83]

Thanks mate, great video. I liked the fact that you didn't edit your mistakes and instead told the viewers exactly what went wrong. Considering it's mostly newbies watching these videos who are trying to learn, we can also learn what mistakes to avoid. Keep it up!

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks 😊

[@clongo92]

As someone that does as much DIY as possible, and along with that comes mistakes.. i grately appreciate your videos that you don't edit out your mistakes like so many others do. By sharing your errors it shows that you're human and might keep others from doing the same. GREAT VIDEO. Thank you!

[@SethCorbinMusic]

“Count my blessings where they are.” That’s great man, you’re being kind to yourself. I try to have the same perspective, I usually call my mistakes “learning experiences”. We can’t be perfect.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

No mate perfection is a sin...

[@uhN0id]

Thanks for the video! Great inspiration for the MDF cabinet I'm building for my office closet. Love your little workshop too!

[@adv-fabiod4505]

Love the natural light in your shop

[@eggmatic1]

I really appreciate the honesty of your mistakes. We are all human.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Yes mate.... far too many perfect people in the world or on KZbin lol

[@varano6836]

I LIKE THE NATURAL LIGHT

[@Paul-th9cj]

Try making your groove upto 0.5mm wider than your panel for ease of fitting and cut your panel a couple of mm smaller that will make things alot easier. And look into cascamite glue it is a powdered resin you mix up it has a longer working time which takes the rushing out of it and it will fill the extra fitting room you left and it sands down clear.

[@Rocky-xx2zg]

I was taught that the 'Panels' should not be glued. ??

[@Saladzingers]

@@Rocky-xx2zg In traditional carpentry I think, because natural timber expands and contracts. But the MDF ain’t going nowhere, so might as well add to overall strength of the doors with some glue.

[@Rocky-xx2zg]

@@Saladzingers Got it. Thank you.

[@SAWimp1]

i learned this process for sizing a door panel while working in a cabinet shop. The width is the length of your rail, tenon to tenon, subtract 1/8 inch... or roughly 3 mm. to find the length, take two rails and place them back to back. looking at the end grain, the profiles are facing away from eachother, while the rails outer edges are tightly butted together in the middle. measure the distance from the bottom of groove to groove, and subtract from the length of the stile. to do this math quickly you can pull your tape out to the length of the stile (overall door length), hold it up to the bottom of the left profile groove subtract over to the right profile groove. take the reading there and subtract 1/8 inch and that is the length of your panel. this is also how you size rails. i hope this makes sense, its a valuable method for sizing door parts, good luck.

[@ecofitters252]

This vid just popped up on me really enjoyed it and respect for not cutting out mistakes and owning up we have all done it many times and will make many more remember a boss told me many years ago the man who has never made a mistake has never made anything 👍keep up the good work look forward to watching more of your vids

[@Pickledpepperpicka]

nice video. It's rare thast everything goes to plan on any job. Like your honesty and enjoyed the video.

[@dubhead11]

Like the vid. Always like to see people include their mistakes, it happens to us all. The spray setup is quality. Also quite like your workshop!

[@erizzle67]

Very helpful video. Years ago I ordered custom double French doors to fit a standard doorway. At the time a bit pricey at $375. Sold that house and wanting to do a similar thing at the new house but the doors are like $800 now. They can hang on to them! I’m doing a similar style as this but thicker of course and will cut plexiglass for the panels (I just made three transoms for the house so have a little plexiglass cutting experience!).

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks for sharing!

[@darrenevans9168]

Video was brilliant think your workshop is excellent little small but the add on on the shed is class be watching more 👌

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Haha not sure about class but works for me haha

[@wojciechtaflinski]

Most appropriate the honesty we all are wrong sometimes point is to be able to admit and sort things out keep going.

[@pistolpet3y]

I prefer you making a mistake, and telling me about it, that way when its my turn to make my cabinet doors your mistake will be in my mind. So thank you for that!

[@MrMartinburgar]

Don't worry mate a man who dosnt make mistakes doesn't make anything I'm a so-called professional and I make them everyday

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks pql

[@mitchellkasdin1899]

I agree with the commentor below. The mdf for stiles and rails creates issues and use Poplar it paints well and won’t typically bow and twist - acclimate it to your work area first? You could use mdf for the center panels or a shop grade maple. I also agree with the slightly oversized deimension on the frame (chamfered) leave yourself a little wiggle room for the panel length and width, use space balls (rubber balls) inset into the dado groove which allow the panels to float for expansion and contraction. I would really like to make some cabinets, but I’m stuck fitting base mounding on a house for another day, then landscaping projects for 2-4 weeks....

[@petereyre5188]

Awesome set up, love the shed extension 👍👍👏👏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Kdacarp]

How I have made mine for years. I grove and mold mine on a spindle molder. And a tenon machine. Over size the rails by 5mm then trim them on the table saw.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Sounds like a system you have down to a t

[@joinery1888]

Exactly the same way as me. Leaning on the powerfeed as it slowly pulls it through 😂

[@marcwillis1663]

Nice little set up 👍

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks mate

[@marcwillis1663]

Where are you bace

[@EVERYDAYDON]

Welcome to the club! I cut it three times and it was still too short :0)

[@patosullivan8175]

great job ,just minus off head width for panel size

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

Excellent tutorial! Thanks for sharing. I know those late finishes well. As with other comments, no need to beat yourself up for making the odd mistake. We are all human, and if it were that easy, anyone could do it. I see the vid' is three years old. I wonder, are you still using the same method?

[@davidhardaker192]

Not working only from a face side means that any variation in mdf thickness will result in variations in the grooves widths. Best to machine using a slotter cutter and always keep face side down. Machine top and bottom rails as one piece (more stable on the fence) and then cut into 2 pieces.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks for the info

[@thelordofdarkness141]

Nice video, one thing i have learnt better to cut to big than too small, good that you show where mistakes can be made were only human after all

[@samfoster5380]

Nice work buddy, It's nice to see that easy mistakes are problems that everyone shares! keep up the good work

[@alexcorlett1984]

brilliant that keep it up

[@sicpac66t]

Also you should use paintable edgeband. Small radius cutter and it paints great. The little plastic hinge templates work great to for over lay and for inset you need to buy the right one.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

I really don't see the advantage to using them I get a perfect edges with my system... I have a video coming out regarding fitting the inset hinges and what jigs I use.... the ks for the comments mate... much appreciated

[@bloggs692413]

so it's not just me then when things go tits up.... doors turned out nice fair play!!! sub'd pal

[@andrewroberts6158]

i see what you mean about the rail guide, lovely bit of kit

[@deburgermeester5679]

Thats a nice job mate

[@benson5468]

Nice to know your human good video thanks for posting bren new subscriber

[@roaddirtmotorcycleadventur1836]

great video. loving the new format

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Hey thanks man... im not being forced into regular uploads just as and when I can 😀 tha ks tho dude appreciate your comment 🙏

[@dacianuscatu]

Love you buddy nice work

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks 👍

[@thegreatoutdoors2000]

Good job buddy. Very informative for me as I’m just beginning. Thanks

[@dougwatson9305]

Sweet and shaaarpish.....I love it. Love the video.

[@hgirvan1]

Hiya really enjoyed this. Wanted to check why you made the panels full size to the size of the groove. Would it be of use to make the panels 1-2mm less that the groove so there's room to move in the glue up and you could put marks on the rails for where each bit is meant to go

[@bocty1]

nice to see you working through your mistakes, subscribed off the first vid i watched!

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks 😊 I appreciate your time

[@emericpopovici3405]

Well done !!! Nice job !!! All the best 💪💪💪

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks

[@rbflooring1]

Get some 18mm MDF cut it to size of your door then get a sheet of 6mm and rip it into strips. Glue and pin it on front of door. Router edges of you want to put a profile on them. Similar effect. Less time. Only thing is there's no pattern on back of door

[@harrywitney7116]

Prone to bending once painted, also makes a heavy door, also a lot of wasted mdf for no need

[@markolney5470]

Fabulous mate great tutorial 👍👍👍

[@krazeofficiel]

Good job :) ., just one thing , you are never supposed to glue your panel. just the tenons in the mortises

[@db4068]

Does matter with mdf it doesn't move like wood

[@db4068]

Sorry should read doesn't matter

[@isaacfawcett3048]

Excellent work mate 😄

[@mohammedmughal5221]

Liked your video very much I have been doing carpentry for 45 years and still make mistakes nothing wrong with that.just wanted ask were can i get attachment you use for your track saw to cut 90degree cross cut would really appreciate. Thankyou

[@jonathanrae6917]

Cracking channel. Only found it now today and it is great to see someone using old school methods. What paint do you run through your paint sprayer mate? Does it clog up?

[@bofamlily7053]

Good job

[@tonyalways7174]

Nice job👍🏻. Pretty harsh on yourself imo. I leave my panels 1/8” or 3mm undersized on width and length to make the fitting easier. The glue fills the gap. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻😊

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Yes that's what I did do... I think I made the groove just a tad to tight hence the stresses I.had lol all.good tho

[@bonginkosimthethwa7523]

Dude that was a gud video and it wasn't that long. Keep up the good work.. im your new subscriber😉

[@workshopprojects2643]

Great vids mate keep them up

[@66journeyman]

Nice little vid mate. Get yourself a feather board and clamp it to the edge of the table for the grooving, also, make a sled or even a scrap bit of MDF when your pushing the rails through the cutter. It don’t half make things easier and safer👍🏻

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Iv tried them mate... the feather board i could agree with you but i feel a lot more safer and more in control doing it the way I do... but thats me... i suppose I should do a disclaimer please dont do it like this silly twat haha 😆

[@Tez73]

Put a little chamfer on your panels . Glue will pool there as well stronger 👍

[@lowesjoinery3031]

I did mate.. if you look you can see the little block plane out for that job 😀😀

[@papbelaalmos]

Great tutorial! Thank you!

[@skyclipsuk]

Realise this is an old video but for measuring the panel size, it would be quicker to measure in between stiles then add the 20mm on, and likewise for the rails. Both ways work fine though 👌

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks for the tip!

[@joinery1888]

Why so many saw track rails?? Did you buy festool last because I bought festool first and didn't buy other brands... The hinges help pull the door straight so no harm in adding more. Great video, only clicked coz it said stressful 😂

[@SteveC38]

Great video Brother, Congratulations on passing 3,000 subs👍

[@SaqibKhaliq]

Shows how tough it is to video and work at the same time. Great upload, thanks. End product looked great.

[@Marcusb]

What cutter did you use to cut the shoulders of the tennons ?

[@llamedosr7843]

I need a router table, I've always done this on a table saw with multiple passes and piles of dust.

[@timl7217]

Great video, thank you for sharing. What router table are you using? Thanks

[@lowesjoinery3031]

It's just a good old aldi middle of the aslie jobby

[@paulkormany7406]

Hi, What kind of MDF do you recommend for a door job like this. It looks greenish. Where can I buy those? I am a DIYer and want to make a few kitchen cabinet doors and wardrobe doors. Thanks

[@jonathanfitzpatrick4587]

Thanks for that....very helpful!

[@martinedmonds7855]

I am a little concerned about your fingers running it past the router without any guards or sliding table one slip all it takes

[@leechjames]

thanks for the build details, what type of paint are you spraying?

[@lawrenceogden8682]

great video

[@Daniel24Peace]

Hi, nice video, I’m into woodworking as a hobbie I’m not as advanced so excuse which may seem a daft question, what’s the machine called you used to create the groove in the side panels of the door?

[@lowesjoinery3031]

It's a router table my friend

[@Daniel24Peace]

@@lowesjoinery3031 Thanks & great video 👍 subscribed

[@TheUofastudent]

Love it

[@lowesjoinery3031]

And me after it was all done lol

[@RetrieverwebsolutionsCoUk]

Good job. What sprayer are you using?

[@Tez73]

Try poplar mate (pear wood ) it’s the best wood I’ve used for these . Never moves

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thinking of trying paint grade maple 🍁

[@whitacrebespoke]

Lowes Joinery you won’t when you had a price in U.K. popular is a good choice for stiles and rails. Most merchants here call it tulip wood or tulip popular

[@mikeday4399]

Can i ask why you tongue and groove and not just put the panels next to eachother to form the shape and glue and pin it? Thanks

[@iraqresitance9663]

From iraq well done

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Thanks 😊

[@MysteriousPerson00]

Hi there, what sprayer were you using in the video please

[@phil3983]

Wat and where you get the square jig for festool guide rail

[@mario4237]

I just cut 18mm to size and add 6mm strips on tops ,easy

[@lowesjoinery3031]

That is another way of making them... but then you will have a unbalanced/unstable door that will warp/distort....

[@chrisdormer1061]

I bet your neighbours love the sound of 20000rpm routing

[@bensimmons3692]

Hi thanks for sharing the video, what’s the cross cut 90 degree square you have attached to your festool rail? Is it any good? how much was it ? I’ve looked at some more expensive ones but have been put off by the price....

[@bluekingfisher1416]

I have a couple of questions. Overall I liked your candid and open approach although I am wondering of the durability of the MDF tongues. Have you had success with this in the past or is this a first attempt? I guess it depends on what the doors are being used for. Secondly, I usually size/seal the exposed edges of my MDF boards. Do you seal the exposed fibres or just rely on the paint to seal the fibres. Which leads me to my next question. What type of paint are you using in the video? And what type of sprayer are you using. Hopefully not to many questions lol. Good job, hope it goes well for you.

[@db4068]

Hi, just saw your query about mdf tongues . I've been building kitchen doors for 20yrs plus one of my first in my utility room still holding up after all this time not had a customer one fail either.

[@rcscarpentryservicesupvcsp7054]

Hi good work just wondering what paint do you use for you hvlp gun please cheer

[@lowesjoinery3031]

I use an acrylic primer from a company called construction chemicals... and top coat it varies

[@Remsnow]

What size MDF did you use for the tenons? 18mm or 22mm please?

[@imajinpublishingandenginee2421]

Nice video just concerned by the lack of safety glasses

[@rupertvivian-davis920]

gaaaaaaayyyyy haha

[@ramihajyahia8414]

Beautiful and professional work, but in a CNC machine you would get it faster and easier and more accurate. Thank you

[@billmackinnon6505]

Dude, extraction or not please wear a ffp2 minimum dust mask when working with wood especially MDF....other than that great work....

[@adnanlami5373]

Well done thanks for the video what kind of a spray machine you using it I bought the earlex 5500 spray station waste of money

[@southdevonhomes-jonnystand4039]

Nice work, great tips. But it can’t be cost effective against buying Howdens off shelve.

[@cheekynicky]

Out of interest, what spray gun do you use? and what pressure on the compressor?

[@bass3571]

What kind of router bits you used?

[@tcr_tagger3738]

Nice video 👍 I'm still using the loose tenon method. Would you say this is more time consuming? I usually use 9mm panels, bigger doors seem more rigid. Nice to see another Taiga tools user too! Bloody useful aren't they! Subbed!👍

[@Manxpm]

Hi mate- I have some shaker wardrobe doors to make over weekend so hope you get this comment and question!! Height of my doors is just under 2m. Have you ever had these twist ? I can only get 18mm mdf.

[@lowesjoinery3031]

Hey... so 2m is fine I would go more towards this method I made them in the video.. 18mm should be OK of thats all you can get .. some people do the plant on method iv heard they bow and twist..

[@jigneshmistry2341]

Why did you use green MDF? and also what paint do you recommend. thanks

[@sicpac66t]

I've been doing carpentry and joinery over twenty years. If I ain't made a mistake or missing pieces then I'd be lying. What spray set up is that and what paint?

[@lowesjoinery3031]

That was the primer and was a 2.0mm tip spraygun fastmover... and the primer was from construction chemicals internal primer... great stuff

[@vinhle3272]

Hi. Do I have to seal mdf doors if I paint with Renner waterbase primer and paint? If yes, which sealer would you recommend. Thanks

[@lowesjoinery3031]

No mate just crack on with primer and top coats

[@harveyyoung533]

Can I ask why you chose to join the rails this way rather than biscuit joint? thanks

[@lukemorris5436]

What paint did you use for spraying ?

[@lowesjoinery3031]

That was a valspar v700 if memory serves me.. and primer was a acrylic primer from construction chemicals..

[@JWEX500]

What dimensions and thickness are the frame and panel?

[@Martin-ib5bj]

nice

[@garvielloken3929]

Noooice!