MechWarrior 5 Clans DLC - Trial of War Review

[@joshmilner4864]

Thanks for standing up for us.

[@EdwinSherwood]

Yep you did the right thing, scummy Behavior

[@Ilostmycactus]

Cutting relations over a single complaint from a longtime partner seems pretty drastic.

[@DairyCat]

Seems fucking fragile. Legit this kind of content is something a lot of other devs release as free content. If they need money they could have easily just released some mech packs which has been the model for MWO.

[@1bbnnkk]

They released a half assed pack of a couple of weeks of work for half of the price of the game. I really liked Clans but I'm not buying this. CGL also did a Battletech tabletop kickstarter in the meantime which was a complete, utter disaster and didn't keep their word regarding anything.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

@@1bbnnkklarge kickstarters that involve miniatures made in china almost always end in massive delays. I stopped kickstarting years and years ago

[@martinjrgensen8234]

“Partner” is a wrong term. Influencers er advertisers not partners

[@danielbuehner4273]

@@martinjrgensen8234 They are partners if you rely on them for advertising. Which there isn't any major advertising campaign I've seen for PGI products...though considering how poor I find their games to be while being a major battletech fan it's just disappointing that they even still have the license. Compare the campaign features from Mech5 Mercs to what HBS did with their Battletech game. It feels like PGI just did a shitty copy of what HBS did for the starmap and campaign features.

[@sailorjerry4435]

Thanks for the honest review and you're not alone in thinking the price was waaayyyy too high for what was given.

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

Mhm, agreed!

[@WheatSn4ckBread]

I appreciate you standing your ground against this absurdity. I am a Mechwarrior fanboy, but this is an absolute slap in the face to their playerbase.

[@rajenwilliams]

IMHO, for a $20 DLC, there should've been story continuation...like Jayden competing for the Hoyt Bloodname, or similar type of accolade for the Warden side of things. That's just me, though. 😃

[@TheNorcoGuy85]

Not just you, that's the only thing that would justify the price. This is how they kill a series. Makes me sad

[@aetherial87]

And new Mechs. Not variants, whole new chassis. Like at least one per weight class.

[@starcoloneldunadansonoft501]

None of the original content was worth continuing 🤣

[@TheNorcoGuy85]

@starcoloneldunadansonoft501 Disagree, best story driven mw game we've gotten

[@dogofwar6769]

Well as the saying goes: *_'Don't Ask Questions, Just Consume Product and Then Get Excited for Next Products'_* This situation has seriously tarnished my opinion of PGI.

[@commanderosis435]

I saw Jay and I claaaaaaaaaaaapped

[@nks406]

Isnt it how pgi always did business? MW5 mercs has half of its basic features locked behind DLCs including carreer mode lol

[@PlatformUser85]

my opnion of them was already low, clans raised it, then this dlc just brought it back down

[@dogofwar6769]

Seems pretty obvious that PGI realize that Clans is not at all meeting expectations and they're taking any complaint about the game as a personal attack. It is a incredibly bad look for the company and a sign that we shouldn't expect any more single player games from them.

[@sithlordroy1]

Creative Assembly went through this (Total War Warhammer: 3) and changed their ways and came out like gold. I hope PGI can do the same.

[@m-royvlad5801]

Were there real changes in CA after Pharaoh incident?

[@sithlordroy1]

@@m-royvlad5801 Not Pharos, it was there over priced DLC model.

[@vincentred1870]

@@m-royvlad5801 Yes, they layed off a lot of pople, killed all projects not related to Total War and focused on quality content and updates. They also started rebuilding peoples trust in the company, like adding a lot of content to the existing DLC that was overpriced to make it worth the money. CA is in a much better place now. Last DLC is a good proof of that.

[@dwalk9674]

Russ needs another motorcycle. It won't change.

[@danielbuehner4273]

PGI doesn't learn - they just continue to dig new holes to fall into. I'm still upset with Ghostheat in MWO and failing to accomplish ANYTHING advertised in the crowd funding campaign prior to releasing MWO.

[@Nakolino84]

I was expecting campaign from other clans, nova cat, diamond shark, etc. Such a lost opportunity, they could charge a full game price for the DLCs and I would buy it.

[@KMCA779]

Honestly I was expecting more story, maybe leading up to Tukayyid. They set up Comstar not being loyal allies and then dropped it. This SHOULD have been a free update (maybe a $10 DLC of the variants) to keep us interested while working on story DLC's. Also it dawned on me we didn't get an Ebon Jag in our roster despite it being Smoke Jaguars totem mech. That's like not giving Wolf the Madcat.

[@igorbukovy4313]

I am pretty sure that they will release DLC with bigger content.

[@swordmonkey6635]

Yeah I was talking to my friend about the potential of releasing the story of Operation Revival from multiple Clan points of view: Ghostbear (Warden) Jade Falcon (Crusader) and finally Wolf (Warden) ending all story lines at Tukayyid with the victories and losses from the various clans and the revelation of Comstar's duplicity leading up to Tukayyid. Aiden Pryde's stand with the Falcon Guard at Tukayyid would've been a great finale for the Falcon DLC.

[@HalcyonDaze149]

@@KMCA779 thats a really good point about the ebon!

[@mptesteroni]

I did complain about pound for pound value of the base game, Russ. The full stop to technology progression and lack of anything to do other than replay the exact same missions, with zero deviation in enemy force or position, and dead or missing pilots in your starmates' seats eventually forced me to delete the game from my Xbox, since it's over 1/3 the total capacity of the drive- simply way too big to keep on there when better games are arriving every day. It was fun, once through the campaign, and for about a week after I finished it. PGI has got to be the greatest 'one step forward/ two steps back' organization I've ever encountered, and I was in the army.

[@PHOTON-v3r]

Kudos Phil. Your honesty is laudable, and puts some of the other MW streamers to shame. We're on your six buddy.

[@TheNorcoGuy85]

This is how they kill a series before it gains ground

[@BGWumba]

There shouldn't be any punishment for giving honest, true feedback, I haven't purchased the dlc based on the reviews I have seen but, the response from PGI to these reviews just reinforces that decision (to not buy the dlc)

[@bryo4321]

It's a chintzy DLC that shouldn't have been $20. Plain and simple. They needed to at least lower the price, or throw in new Chasis that could be used in the campaign. Really a shame about the relationship situation too, your podcasts with Russ gave a lot of cool insight into their plans for the IP going forward. PGI needs to consider their audience and the volatility of their reputation with the fanbase. Stuff like this does not provide positive word of mouth, and that is infinitely more valueable than rushing out a mediocre DLC to try to get some holiday revenue. Reactions on the announcement day were instantly negative, and it's not YOUR fault one iota, Russ needs to wake up and take the feedback instead of trying to justify it to his own customers. Anyways, thanks for your honesty on what you think about this release! That's appreciated and shows your integrity.

[@jonbauml225]

I definitely think this is what we can expect in the future. The line must always go up forever

[@KaneTheMessiah]

Appreciate the full and clear honesty!

[@teranelson826]

I was thinking about buying clans after Christmas, not having physical copies for PS5 gave me pause at release i was thinking of getting it after Christmas. This whole thing, especially the attitude towards criticism has me thinking I might not even bother.

[@gundamwarrior]

Not surprising PGi went this way. After all the things they have done over the years, I am not surprised they went down this path. And I would not be surprised if they get worse. Russ is a manchild, short and simple. As much as I love battletech and mechwarrior for the mech sim, I'd rather have the mechwarrior franchise be in a good spot where I can remember it with familiarity but no longer get any new content, rather than some man like Russ at the helm and putting a bad look on it in the long run. He's doing more damage than he's doing good. His response to all of this is out of line. MW5M for all of its faults is infinitely better and far more modable than this game ever will end up able to be. The only good thing about this is modders will just rip the assets from this and backwards port it to MW5M instead since other clan mechs don't have the damage model stuff that the clan ones do from MWO that have already been ported..

[@MrSsjgoku72000]

I agree. Paying More mode to play a few camo patterns, and a few options for loadouts is Nuts. And I wouldn't call them skins, like the Dragon's Gambit DLC, had "skins". Cuz there you got the Horns and Spikes and other accoutrement. These "skins" in Clans are just new Camos. Now if they gave us the skins a a few new Mechs, that would make it more worth it. But paying for games modes......that would be like being asked in MW5:Mercs to pay just for new mission types. What I think a DLC for Clans would/should be......Is a Clan Ghost Bear Campaign, For Jade Falcon Campaign, Or Wolf.....or etc. And with Each Clan, you get New Mechs of those clans. Ghost Bear Gets their Kodiaks, Wolf Gets Orion IIC or Linebacker, Jade Falcons get Black Lanner or Cougar or Fire Falcon. Then you follow their invasion campaigns. I mean I get some fans didn't like the open ended-ness of MW5: MERCS, But it still has a main story/campaign.....and heavy replayability.....if just to go around and find all the HERO Mechs. But to Pay for a couple of simulation options, new camos, and slight loadout variations......not worth it. I'd rather they update the game so I can do a replay of the campaign, but keep all my previous upgrades so I can eventually do all the available weapon and gear research. Then I can replay on harder difficulties without getting upset I can't progress or play lower difficulties with maxxed gear so I can feel more like the Dominant Force the Clans are supposed to be. Or new missions so I can continue to find more salvage to do more research. But I'm a completionist gamer....I don't like ending games and know there is stuff stuff that can be done.

[@bbrodzinski733]

I had the repair mode bug too at round 15. I have been stuck at the turret spawn point with no way to move or blow up the turret, twice. Be careful where you walk.

[@timp788]

As I said in Twitch chat a couple of days ago, there's not really much in this DLC that draws me in. I might buy it for horde mode (assuming it gets fixed) if it goes on sale for $5, but for $20 it doesn't feel like it adds enough to be worth it over just buying another new game. Especially at this time of the year when I can maybe pick up several games for that price instead.

[@trevorreniger5670]

Hoard is just a round-based onslaught mode. Calling that, plus a private match MWO, and MWO Heroes being ported over a DLC is an insult. I also expected a campaign from another clan (and a few new *chassis* being ported from MWO) but I understand that another campaign is literally doubling this game. The story, cutscenes, voice acting, ect requires tons of resources and really, that's all this game offered in the first place. There's no Endgame. So at least add in some randomized mission mode on a small star map and call us a "beginning of sandbox" to get people excited. Ugh. What a disappointment.

[@mEDIUMGap]

Switch for Russia. It costs 500 rubles for a while. It is 5 usd.

[@amanitamuscaria5863]

11:28 Devs have a non disparagement clause in their contracts, so if they aren't whistleblowing, you can't believe them. They are contractually obligated to say nice things about their company, product, boss and colleagues.

[@phforNZ]

Thank you for drawing a line on behalf of the community and challenging this absurdity.

[@CwStrife]

Phil, when I bothered Russ on your stream the one day talking about MWO and a successor, he said that this silly shit was the future. He said the mechpack for MWO don't work yet this is literally what they tried to do with this first DLC. Everyone should have seen that this guy was gonna shoot this crap in the foot. PGI is seriously delusional in how they view things. They keep fucking themselves over making stupid decisions, and let MWO fall by the waist side... the MWO store is still so old and legacy they wonder why nobody buys anything. Who is gonna pay $30 for a pack of hellbringers??? NOBODY! They could still fix that up and make a great successor to MWO, except they listen to nobody but themselves. MW5Clans was dead on arrival anyways, and PGI doesn't know wtf they are doing. Thanks for sticking up for us! Russ will never own up to shit. He's a genius, and speaks that way constantly when he's talking. He's right, he knows it all, and he can do no wrong, so he gave you the boot. He cant take any criticism and thats a terrible quality when you have to make a product people will love. They need a solid community manager that interacts and can speak on behalf of PGI. The current state of PGI shows their mentality and why they have constantly failed with MWO and now with MW5 too. Didn't they have to get bought out by another company just to stay afloat, that should speak volumes. They used to have a huge staff for MWO of peoole who did nothing like Tina Benoit and how many others? Why was the money never spent on improving MWO for all those years? PGI is an absolute mess

[@avivgolan9241]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[@savax1551]

100% behind you on this one

[@GARGOYLEVINE]

Thanks Phil, I have been waiting for your review of this, I have not purchased the DLC, I really appreciate your take on this and Russ should really listen to what your saying and PGI would be stupid as fuck to cut you off and should fully support you as your a valuable voice in the Mech community, thanks brother GV

[@pajamaboy2116]

Gotta respect you keeping it real, Phil. Cool to see my post in the video haha. Gamepass is creating a pretty substantial issue in the industry and it's not just PGI at the root of the problem. Everyone can bypass the cost to entry which is great for getting in a bunch of new players, but the problem is even games that were never intended to be a live service have to take on live service monetization strategies or in this case, inflated cost of DLC to make up for the disparity in upfront sales. CoD is literally doing battlepasses in a full priced game right now. This is a much larger issue than what PGI is doing, it's damn near industry-wide. Games will likely trend in this direction as long as Gamepass continues to operate the way it does. What's the right move? You'll get less engagement at launch if you skip gamepass but then DLC can be distributed in a way that's more ethically sound. It's a whole can of worms with no easy answer imo. Edit: I also really hope this isn't truly the end of your relationship with PGI. I'm holding out hope that after some careful consideration, they can see that none of us have malevolent intentions. It's good that the players offer feedback about the parts of these games that are done well, and the parts that are not. This is a chance to learn and deepen their relationship with the community. This is absolutely not a mountain out of a molehill situation. If precedent is allowed to simmer, it will be repeated for lack of negative feedback. This is an essential part of the process!

[@TheMonkeyMann]

Speaking of DLC, I've been making a dlc sized campaign for mech 5 mercs, it's basically a remake of the mechassault 1 campaign but in mech 5 mercs

[@JPSavage84]

That sounds awesome! I want to see a MW5M campaign that plays out like MechCommander 2!

[@Commander_XVII]

When you do get the horde mode to work without crashing, it lasts way too long. I played it first attempt with an optimized star to see how far I could get, took 6 hours. I have uploaded it to my channel if youre interested. They need to scale up difficulty much faster.. like 100% faster. Round 35 was what I felt like round 20 should be. No one is going to play this regularly for hours. If that is fixed, the only other problem I had with horde was the lack of variety. Different maps, enemy clan mechs and strategies etc would help. We tried arena with our co-op group and it sucks that you cant set up fair teams (5 people) and you cant fight against an AI team. We probably wont be playing it again. In the end, this should have been a free update, and calling it a DLC is insulting the players. If PGI doesnt make some big changes soon, this is a nail in the coffin of this game. Already some people will not return to this game ever, just on principle.

[@chadkidder713]

Thank you for sticking to your guns, despite most of your peers acceptance of the situation! PGI just turned it into a free addon, and refunding those who bought it! I watched this and your podcast review earlier today, and noticed on Steam the price was listed as N/A and I had installed it. I thought I had accidentally bought it... turns out they just coincidentally just switched it to a free addon shortly before!

[@daltonburroughs3811]

For the horde mode, do you have to use the host's unlocks? I really want to be able to bring my own unlocks into my friends' games.

[@KnightofMyth]

This is a cash grab by a dying company pure and simple

[@emiliodeguarda2005]

Which is a DAMN shame. I really did want to support these guys and bought Clans day 1 on faith. Mod support should have been included in the DLC for this price.

[@RumblesBettr]

@@emiliodeguarda2005same man. This is sad

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

Cash grab? Sure, possibly. Dying company? Absolutely freaking not, the misinformation is *insane*.

[@kyanderson2461]

Thank you brother.

[@StrangeTICK32]

Locking a pvp mode behind a paywall is actually crazy there literally no reason to play it at that point because guaranteed there isn’t going to be anyone to play that’s if there even is matchmaking. Makes it mostly for just private matches which is even more insane having to pay for it.

[@AdamFawd]

Piranha Games going back to being scumbags when finally getting mechwarrior back on its feet, yeah sounds about right from that s...show of a company

[@darkalman]

Still waiting to be able to download the soundtrack and artwork that I paid for in launch bonus but you can't access outside the game

[@Shredneck92]

Knew the hype wouldn't last long. Russ always finds a way to bleed the community dry.

[@halbmetallmensch]

Can't agree more! When I saw the new DLC after one month, I looked over the features and could only think: is this a bad joke?

[@jimh2067]

I bought two copies of clans for myself and son but this DLC isn't worth the cost vs the benefit. I replayed the campaign 3 times to try out the 2 different paths and then another round on hard mode. I enjoyed Clans but I will never get to the 1500+ hours I spent enjoying Merchs with all the great mods that enhanced the game play. I have played every version since MW2 and I hope Pirrama comes out with some decent DLC like Mercs enjoyed. (Even if it broke all the mods ever fricking time...)

[@jodydoolittle2850]

Props man. Russ fooled us that he and PGI had a handle on PR the last few years... Nope, same company and attitude from 15 years ago. :( Thank you for the review... I won't be getting the DLC.

[@jamesberry7444]

Not buying it. They should sink this money into a MWO 2. Not many people want a single player or co-op game. We old guys that have been playing MWO want another PVP in the form of MWO 2 with current technologies , mainly a new graphics engine. The reason he took offense to your honest opinion is that you could and probably are affecting his pocket book. He knows your reviews are out there for all to see and most likely counts on you for positive reviews to help accelerate his revenue.

[@hiotsobo]

You’re one of the most consistent advocates and content creators for mech warrior. Seems crazy that PGI would act like this. I guarantee people are not buying the DLC at anything remotely close to a 1:1 ratio. This DLC isn’t worth anything more than $5, and having this cost almost 50% of the base game’s price is actually insane. Hell, MW5:M expansion DLC’s with actual campaigns were only $15. WTH is PGI thinking charging $20 for this?

[@andrewvanallen4483]

Rushed or held back? 😢 Thanks for the video.

[@leesinclair9651]

I very much appriciate this vid and your review. Massive fan of BT since the 90s. Didnt get Clans at release..dont usually buy a game till a month or 2 passes to see if its a scam or good, i have willpower. Been holding off waiting for a career mode knowing the replayability of that is whats kept me playing Mercs continually. I agree with you 100% on this paywall pants. its really greedy and obvious cashgrab behaviour which is somthing to watch for and like you say dont support.. were individually not powerful, i can only vote with my wallet. i will not be buying this game.

[@PHOTON-v3r]

Piranha has messed up with all this. In my opinion Clans should have been a DLC for Mercs. PvP could've then been a free game mode update and they could have heralded it as the new MWO and released unique content for it.

[@avivgolan9241]

With you all the way. I've already put my foot down, haven't even purchased the base game. PGI has shown time and time again that they are only in this for the money, and on top of that their incompetence has totally ruined the experience for me.

[@RobPollen]

sure all the "arenas" that were baked into the main game and then just so happened to turn into a game mode

[@nonononamehere625]

Nice listening to this review without having magic yelling at everyone to shut up so he can speak and gaslighting the rest of us rhat this clans DLC has the same substance, same girthiness as Mercs DLCs

[@grimhydraulix556]

Considering what people spend with micro transactions on other games I can see why a developer would assume this is very reasonable, and I am not sure honestly they are wrong. I think a better approach would be to add in additional mechs and even scenario packs for some micro transactions and keep this basic stuff as just a basic update.

[@Kainsdisciples]

Are they trying to be CGL?

[@jamessmith5666]

Member when you could play as the pirates in Pirates Moon? Why not do that. Fight for Valasek, the Draconis Combine etc. Use the same maps and unit's, but now your friends can be the pirates and play dirty, just the way Helmar likes it!

[@MechAnism820]

Inflammatory and inappropriate? It is a simple question that many fans are asking. Russ Bullocks response is inflammatory and inappropriate. Russ is acting like a bratty kid that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

[@althesmith]

I'm not going to buy any more DLC until they have new missions, either Clan or WD, which can expand your characters, and actual option of new mechs/IS mechs.

[@eTsMONST3RGAMING]

Russ go have another beer

[@dreadxlegionx058]

Something I've noticed with this studio for a long while now. It feels like they will milk the mechwarrior universe as much as they can before they stop working with it.

[@TVMLegendary]

Greedy people will always get defensive when called out for their actions.

[@ronforister8374]

I said it when clans was announced, too bad they didnt incorporate that MW5 Mercs and Clans could be compatible, thus allowing PvP or co op PVP. This was done on a WW2 destroyer and Uboat sim a few years ago. both separate with their own campaign play etc, but PVP when online. Want to play IS? grab Mercs and fire it up and play. Clans? MW5 clans and play that side. Best of both worlds, mods, stablility of MW5 Mercs to keep it going. Clans could still have been (?) linear, but had the advantage of Mercs platform. I get using the new Unreal engine and pushing forward, but we will never know what could have been.

[@yonghominale8884]

As long as the SDK is free, then I don't care. Also what about Trueborn mode.

[@LutherMahoney]

I deleted Clans because of this and went right back to MW5 Mercenaries. I supported the game and I love the IP but this is too much.

[@Mofflin1]

Same here. I enjoyed a play through and was waiting to see what came out next. This DLC sealed its fate as a “one and done” game for me.

[@embryoisme]

wait, you said the DLC is buggy... is the DLC in early access?!?!

[@TheMadwizz]

I do not fully agree with Phil. If it is as Russ Bullock said “Horde and Arena did not even exist as planned ideas when Clans shipped.” Then a new budget must be agreed on and people must be assigned to make “Trial of War.” The end product may be underwhelming and overpriced. But I still think it is fair to charge money for it. So a thank you to Phil and all other reviews for reviewing this DLC so that I know to avoid buying it.

[@josephlink4173]

They’re just trying to sell you the most popular mods from Mercenaries before the modding community gets there. Yes this was ready when the game launched of course that or it’s the fastest DLC development without any feedback from purchases of the base game. Most people were still playing the base game. PGI doesn’t play their own games.

[@VIRKOWSKI]

I was shocked when i saw this DLC... But 100% agree, this mod should be part of patch + hero mechs for buy. I dont need buy PvP Dlc beacouse we have MWO, but if they starts selling parts of game and development of MW5:C will be looks like that, im seriously worriet about MWO future or possible "succesor" Cheers! o7.

[@r3drumg33k3]

When the game is ALREADY on sale for 40 bucks like a month after it's release...probably cant charge 20 bucks for a 1/3 cooked "DLC"

[@revsstuff1320]

It's like Russ purposely sets out to anger the fan base/customers. All they have to do is release DLCs (next chapters) of the same caliber as the base game and (almost) everyone will be happy. It's like Russ needs to piss people off.

[@Arnuld15Governator]

It's a shame because I really love what they did with Clans. I'm still waiting for a battlemech DLC and additional clan campaigns, since I could care less about Omnimech variations and additional game modes. Definitely passing on this DLC.

[@shadoudirges]

Yup $20 for 2 fluff modes and hero variants of existing mechs is laughable at best.

[@bjack1547]

This DLC is completely baffling. And then the price makes it an even worse mistake.

[@akdustable]

Honestly, my thoughts echo your own. Even if what Russ said was true and they slapped these game modes together after launch, it still shouldn't be $20. And without even one new chassis or weapon? Ooft ...

[@mathewfitzpatrick5645]

Asking if game modes will continue to be locked behind a pay wall is inflammatory enough to cut ties?! Holy cow! Is there any corporate entiy with the rights to battletech that give a shit about it beyond the next quarterly earnings call? (Answer: No(?))

[@DangerGnom]

Thanks for standing up. That is anti-consumer behaviour and hast to be spoken about. Vote with your wallet.

[@stillstartreking]

totaly fair review of trials of war. I wont be purchasing this DLC unless it sinks below 10USD

[@TeleportRush]

10 is definitely the price I was expecting for it before it dropped

[@jdubya181]

I've paid hundreds of dollars to MWO "supporting the franchise" paying for mechs I already own is insane. That is NOT inflammatory, it is 100% correct. I'm so tired of spending loads of money on a game only to have it used as a painpoint against me, knowing that the base of the MW community is passionate about it to exploit us. I was hesitant to buy MW5, and I've owned every mechwarrior game since mechwarrior 2 in DOS on windows 95. Probably won't now. Let's keep it 100. This is a cash grab before the hype of the new release falls off and the game goes on sale.

[@indignantlamentation6307]

Unfortunate that Russ can't be professional about this. It's fine to adjust fire if your consumers don't like something.

[@PlatformUser85]

its not so much the game mode is behind a paywall, but its a simple game mode behind a pawall and no matchmaking so half of it isnt usable for those of us with friends who refuse to get into mechwarrior

[@porksandbean]

it's free now

[@mclang5932]

When I heard about the DLC, I was a bit astonished about the price vs contents. Not a big deal, I can just skip it, but WTF Russ - cutting relations over well founded critique?

[@unknownunknown5797]

Thank you for this. As you said you need to speak with your wallet. I for one, while enjoying the base game, refuse to purchase this DLC. It either needs to be free or reduced to $4.99. I wish more people spoke with their wallet, but I've a feeling there are enough people out there with the mentality of "Oh, well I want to support the devs, even if it's bad, so they will make more content" for them to justify continuing this behaviour.

[@TheJamesthe13]

Thanks for sticking your neck out for us all mate.

[@williamaycock579]

I feel exactly the same way. This is a BS dlc that totally ignores the fact it’s a primarily single player game. No way I’m spending money on this. I’ll just play mercenaries more.

[@RobPollen]

PGI have always used mechwarrior as a cash cow what makes you thing there going to change now ... remeber the gold mech's i couldnt help myself i have a gold Timby

[@madevilhell]

As a long time Battletech fan I feel some of our expectations are high, but I have to agree, this is not true DLC and the cost to value is not there. I did buy it because I want to support PGI so there is more MechWarrior in the future but after learning more I feel cheated for buying it and while I haven't played it, yet I do feel that it should have been an update or something that maybe at best been $5-$10 tops for we want game support money. Hearing how half-baked this is and bugged makes it worse for what is charged due to how fast it was released, maybe PGI should have waited more to make sure everything worked and took time to add more value for the cost. On the topic of how Russ replied to Phil, I'm not going to candy coat it, but it was a butt hurt reply of some typical internet bickering and not very good PR. This whole thing could have been worded differently; sure, it was an honest question from Phil who is a longtime fan and who does take pride in everything Battletech. There was no reason to act in that fashion when there are many that have said the same thing on the Steam page, own up to a bad product and fix this situation.

[@minimumoftwo99]

Disgusting they think that these modes warrant the asking price. For 10 AUD more, you can buy space marnies 2, which has an amazing SP as well as co op modes with friends. Way to burn what little player base support your games PGI

[@erikmathy4211]

Russ's behavior is not professional. That's not how you handle criticism, which was not even inflammatory. Nor is it how you develop or release product which, if it had been done properly, would have headed off the criticism in the first place. I also agree that Clans isn't replayable. I bought it, played it, enjoyed the Hell out of the storyline and cinematic cut scenes. 100%. But now that I am done, I'm not playing it again. It's a one and done game.

[@Trifler500]

Sadly, I'm really not interested in game modes.

[@captzool9593]

Looks like your comments paid off for everyone. We all got the DLC for free and if you paid there should have been a refund. Thanks for voicing what just about everyone was thinking.

[@puddingpoppalpatine-6070]

Baffling decision. I hope the damage to reputation is worth the money they are getting now.

[@emiliodeguarda2005]

Sounds kinda like you bit the hand that fed you, but nothing you said was wrong. I personally think the modes are both useless to me. I'm not the average player, but I would NEVER have paid for either new mode. I agree with the Mech packs. I would absolutely pay extra for the FireMoth, Elementals, Cauldron-Born, Night Gyr, Pouncer, and several other mechs that may have fit the timeframe (second-line stuff). I bought many for MWO and none of them followed over. I don't even play MWO anymore (I can only play the same PvP so long). The pods don't make sense and I'm not paying for skins in a first-person game. Mod support is going to be what saves this game, if anything.

[@m-royvlad5801]

Once again - devs are crippled by a decade of supporting GaaS.

[@redheads604]

PGI back to their old self lol

[@Trifler500]

There are turrets, not is turrets :)

[@michael8985]

I'm happy to support mechwarrior games but I do agree these should have been free. Happy to pay for more mission more mechs etc also I want to be able to start campaign and keep everything I've unlocked I've done the times unlocking the same stuff so annoying. I want to max everything out.

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

Hard agree with this one. Maybe if they added this in for 5 dollars or along with a proper DLC. However i think at least one of these game modes should be free. Give people a taste of it and if its actually good enough, people will buy the dlc??? But no, they did this the worst way possible.

[@Mofflin1]

Really what this boils down to was PGI attempting to sell a game for $100 by breaking it down into poorly disguised instalments. Initial release was fine, Story was solid, and then they took the piss like this. The CEO personally getting pissy at you for giving an honest review on his shit sandwich does far more damage to PGI than it does to you. Frankly they put themselves into a hole here and they’d have to put in significant work to get me to jump back in at all let alone pay them and I suspect I’m not alone there.

[@PePe-gw3td]

From my point of view PGI did 2 steps forward but one and a half back. Clans is more stable than Mercs. But it feels more like an Arcade than a Simulation as Mercs is. The Storyline is way too short. And the most downside on Clans is the absence of the Sandbox from Mercs. Since i heard that PGI are make Clans. I was hope that they making further development from Mercs but they didnt. All they had to do is to see all mods and suggestions for improvement from mercs. And put them in to Clans, but they didn't. Lets hope PGI make a turn around and bring much more and better Contant to this Game. Otherwise this Game will die faster than a Headshot.

[@TheFishPiper]

I only hear about people paying for it to help with development of the the future of the game down the road, not one person says it is worth 20 besides that one point. Then you got people shaming you for not buying saying they'll never release any pvp because you didn't buy this and like it. When the price is the only issue it is not the content added.

[@angrytigermpc]

So they basically forked Warzone (horde mode) in and cut up some campaign maps with FF enabled. Wow, so much heckin CONTENT!

[@fallwoods]

I am a consumer but I am not a cow PGI can milk on the reg.

[@danielbuehner4273]

The variants being added are not new content. The skins for those are just ported over from MWO demonstrating very little effort. You said it yourself that these exist within MWO that's also been made in the same Engine and the art assets exist so it was simply ported them over and implementing them into this released product. The DLC is not worth the ticket price being slapped on it for what little is being added that should've just been a content update. PGI and Russ continue to run Battletech as a license into the ground with poor presentation and implementation of many of the basic systems from the Tabletop or severe regressions from what Mechwarrior 3 and 4 had for core functionality. This goes with back to how they handled MWO as a crowd funding campaign while failing to accomplish the advertised goals. I'm still hoping that Microsoft will terminate the lease on the license to them and work on getting that license to one of the internal studios that were acquired at the end of 2018. Hell give the Battletech digital license to inExile - they did a hell of a job with the Wasteland games and could do a good job with this while likely making it more like Mech Commander than a Mech Warrior to start with as it's more akin to what they're used to.

[@andrewt3768]

I'm so disappointed that they cut relations with you just because you spoke up about this. That seriously changes how I see PGI. I like Clans, and I wasn't even that upset about this DLC. But treating you that way? Makes me not super keen on supporting them in the future.