Medieval Sexuality with Eleanor Janega

[@Neddoest]

“Pilgrimages = spring break” is absolutely fascinating and makes total sense!

[@katescrimgeour3884]

I could listen to Eleanor Janega all day.

[@grizzlygrizzle]

I was less impressed. A good historian immerses herself in the culture of the time being studied sympathetically, and tries to explain the past in its own terms, but Janega is definitely a woman immersed in the conventional wisdom of OUR time, and views the culture of the Middle Ages mockingly and through an alien lens. She seems to have absorbed some data, but no understanding, and her talk is trivial gossip.

[@silasrobertshaw8122]

@@grizzlygrizzle she is almost always mocking us modern people, not the Medieval people. The way she talks is generally more accessible for the non-historian, which can be off-putting for those expecting a more "academic" presentation. She 100% knows her shit, and I personally love her presentation style.

[@matthewcarroll2533]

@@grizzlygrizzle You realize the irony of what you said right? NONE of us can truly be immersed in a time that we *literally* cannot exist within, as we live NOW. lol Such a funny double-standard there. You do your best at the end of the day, of course but ultimately we are all alien to customs/culture that existed several centuries ago that are nonexistent today. She has a PH.D as a Middle Ages Historian and we all have to admit that things as far as "science" back then goes - they were simply inferior to that of modern knowledge. It isn't rude, it's just fact.

[@grizzlygrizzle]

@@silasrobertshaw8122 -- Mocking the Medievals or mocking people today, it's still mocking. So-called "criticism" is the approach of much of today's conventional academic wisdom. There are plenty of alternatives besides nostalgic hagiography.

[@thejudgmentalhistorian4496]

Basically, you can have fun, but not too much, just a little... You know what? It is best to not have it all.

[@anaseymour4556]

Doesn't mean that everybody would follow it, this is what the ideal should be like but like she gave the example no one would have been born in September but that's not the case. Don't forget that there were brothels and prostitutes (obviously not ideal but happening anyway )

[@mrberryman]

Eleanor is the BEST!

[@anaseymour4556]

Man the pilgrim bagdes were crazyyy I saw a few, I never thought a holy time in middle ages where Catholic church rules there would be so much ... Of that... Omg

[@babubidadubi7514]

Great Podcast, Great Guest. Really interessting. I would love to hear more on this. Meaning sexuality in generall.

[@karlmarx8386]

Medieval Sexuality It's very popular in Florida teaching seniors over 85 years to avoid any accident during this activity...

[@zazuzazz5419]

These Pilgrim badges are delightful, delicious, delovely!!! I’m so happy they exist.

[@BListHistory]

Awesome topic, glad it got covered in such detail!

[@neon-kitty]

Tbh, I do think that some things that might be considered kinky now would've been relatively commonplace back then, like, I'd imagine that men were generally expected to be in charge in the bedroom (I'm sure reality didn't always adhere to that but it probably often did) and women were expected to be submissive. So there you have some (possibly often involuntary) dom/sub dynamics right there. But a lot of kinks that exist today are probably also very specific to modern society and wouldn't have really existed back then (for example, I'd imagine that piss play wouldn't have been much of a thing because people were just less grossed out by urine and had a different relationship with it than we do today).

[@Tiger89Lilly]

Also urine was kind of important in the leather tanning and cloth dying industries so why waste your piss on your partner when you can piss in your pot and sell it to a dye shop or tanneries (or if you're really poor you might not have a pot to piss in)

[@Neddoest]

Now I’m just thinking about what kinks would/could have existed lol The psychology behind it is fascinating!

[@joolsmusic1027]

Show me the way to Cougar Town!!! I want that! :)

[@ernieterrell2104]

So the song of solemn it a exotic but you never really read the book. It is x-rated

[@TheMar320]

has anyone found the image that is being mentioned on around 15:40????

[@bloochoob]

Look up ‘medieval pilgrim badge displaying three phalli bearing a crowned vulva’ 😉

[@silasrobertshaw8122]

@@bloochoob or on liter carried by three penises. We swear the first entry will be what you are looking for. Though just to be safe, i did look it up in incognito mode.

[@bloochoob]

@@silasrobertshaw8122 I did find the drawing, and the words I quoted here were on the exact reference, I only recognised it by the description 🤣 Marginalia is quite hilarious

[@jamespowell_km_kchs]

I believe the Church has always taught that sex is yes, for procreation, but it’s also for marital bonding and intimacy. The Church isn’t against sex, never had been. She is responsible for upholding God’s laws given to us through Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

[@jamespowell_km_kchs]

Not liking all of the Church bashing. Or veiled bashing going on. How about have an actual Catholic on who takes faith seriously and knows this history.

[@marcelprebeck6617]

that was nice :)

[@denmar355]

Does anyone think that what humans do has changed radically since the beginning? That makes no sense. People have had the same urges and curiosities behind closed doors since the first relationship. Weird concept to me. And the church view in sex is NOT just for procreation. Categorically false.

[@peterdaoust404]

If that woman didn’t say “like”, “sorta” and “kinda” the episode would’ve been cut by half. I suppose this is what modern academia is like. Love the podcast otherwise!

[@owlsgoowlsgo]

It’s a podcast, not a dissertation. Don’t get your panties in a twist.

[@1stHuemanAmerican]

I knew JESUS wasn't Real

[@andriesscheper2022]

When, where, by whom, circomstances, says who? How do we know? This isn't much more than gossip, fantasies, and expectations Projektes from our times. My suggestion for the next episode: 'History of the panda suite'.

[@Neddoest]

Are you suggesting this information is inaccurate or are you complaining about lack of citation?

[@jack_of_all_braves]

Marry me

[@ez2u1]

? Is this church blashing or talking about sex in the Middle Ages. A lot of prejudice concerning religious organizations that is way to vary to be accurate. Leaving an impression Janega has unresolved issues she needs to sort out before opening up her mouth.

[@Neddoest]

No, friend, it’s history.

[@monkmell]

The Church had immense power, riches and punishment’s…there’s nothing being accentuated here.

[@beanthefaery23]

The church historically was not great at times lol. especially in the medieval ages, and were hypocrites. Its a fact. If that offends you, maybe you should look inward.

[@michaelpond813]

Ho mongers have been around for ever so it's just human nature.

[@jamespowell_km_kchs]

@@beanthefaery23especially in the medieval ages? How so?? The Church is a divine institution that has survived longer than any other organization or government. It’s ran by imperfect men and women who if it were not protected by the Holy Spirit, it would have fallen in the first century.