Medium Format and 35mm Photography - Zeiss Ikon Nettar 6x6

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There is too much going on to write a description but to put it in a nut shell I went to photograph these steam trains with my Zeiss Ikon Nettar and a roll of Ilford HP5 only to return with a 35mm camera and a roll of Ilford Fp4 the next day!
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[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

UPDATE ON THE ZEISS... Talking to "ABETTERANGLE" I took the tools to the Zeiss Ikon and removed the glass elements and it was the glass behind the blades that was real hazy. Nothing would remove it, not even lighter fluid. Iain suggested vinegar. Came off instantly. Glass clean now, next step try out some film! Thanks all. Roger

[@lensman5762]

A satisfactory conclusion indeed.

[@jorgefernandez4564]

I'd like to see how well it plays now ! Pretty sure that it'll play well, like in '49.

[@thomaschipman]

i know you said you didn't care for the way the nettar negs turned out, but i've got to say that i love the vintage feel of them. maybe not what you expected, but they are definitely interesting. looks like until you get your nettar repaired, you have a time machine =-)

[@davidgifford8112]

whycantthisbeempty My thoughts as well. Sometimes combining vintage optics with a vintage subject, just works.

[@tobysummers471]

Fantastic Roger ! Some great photos there. Very Eric Treacy ! (An old railway photographer who was a bishop !). These images look very nostalgic ! Could have been taken 50-60 years ago. Been down to the island to ride on these lately and I took my Mamiya C220 with some XP2 and captured a lot of this !

[@exhper]

Thanks for old school presentation! As another old guy... Really enjoy the darkroom skills.

[@whiteframe2745]

You made my day! First: my grandad was steam locomotive driver and gave me a lot of trips 'on board' when I was little, letting me to take part in burning first fire in refurbished locos, showing repairing process in local steam engine workshops...oh!what a memories! I love steam!!! Second thing: there is a sign on locomotive "birthday special. Happy 40 SZYMON" some Polish lad living on IOW was lucky! (It's Polish for Simon). Thanks and hopefully Nettar will be getting better soon! Take care!

[@martinhensonphotography]

Regarding the lens, I would try cerium oxide powder, mix to a creamy paste and gently rub in a circular motion on the front and rear elements, what your seeing is years of grim and cleaning marks, I have rejuvenated a few old lens and filters with this glass polishing powder

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Thanks Martin! I used a drop of vinegar. It was the middle element just behind the blades. Came off well. But I'll keep your advice for some other lenses. Cheers.

[@grahamrichards8531]

Great info which is not easily found.

[@brianmccutcheon3205]

One of your best blogs: The soft images took me back to the box brownie days. And who doesn’t love steam train’s: Well done 👍

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Thanks very much!

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

@@brianmccutcheon3205 Horseman 670, you mean 760? press camera?

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

@@brianmccutcheon3205 it's great Brian. You're a camera enthusiastic. Nothing wrong in that. I'd like to hear more about the horseman. Looks like a nice camera to shoot with!!

[@brianmccutcheon3205]

Shoot Film Like a Boss Well it is a house brick in weight but not as heavy as my RZ67: There’s not a lot of info on KZbin: But I found it great camera to use: It is a rangefinders, easy to use, once in the flow, and quick to set up: Haven’t developed the film yet: I enjoyed it very much: I only shoot fomapan B&W , unless I get something off eBay cheep:

[@captaindebug]

On the bright side, the soft focus on the Ikon does give the images that vintage, old feel as if they were taken years ago.

[@BmcN72]

Inspired me to shoot one of my Chinons today. CE-5 with 28mm 2.8 Kmount.

[@erwindegroot8760]

Sometimes lubricants from the shutter precipitate on the glass elements. Cleaning the insides of the glass can help. I had a 9x12 plate camera with the same problem, dark, muddy and unsharp pictures and cleaning the inside of the glas made a world of diffence.

[@nigelgoldup4753]

FYI, I had the same issue. A suggestion you should check that the back element has been put in the right way. I had the same issue with a similar camera and I found that somebody else had serviced it and put the element around the wrong way. Turning it around made the difference it may take out some of your soft focus.

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Thanks Nigel.

[@jorgefernandez4564]

Glad to see you managed to fix the issue with the Zeiss Ikon Nettar. I was going to tell you that I have the same model, and that's exactly what I did to clean it up: vinegar (I used organic white) who kills fungus. I cant wait to see the results on the next video I'm pretty sure you're going to do very soon. Keep like that with your channel, it's really a great job. You flashed me back to my teens with it !

[@lensman5762]

If the smearing is not on the surface of the lens then it could be that the lubricants on the shutter are the culprit. This a 3 element lens and you could try and take the rear cell off and see if you could wipe the smearing off using 99% isopropyl and a good quality microfiber . Don't use the 70% medical rubbing isopropyl as these will smear the lens. Very nice photos BTW. Sepia tone the ones from the Nettar, very nostalgic indeed.

[@imassimogreco]

thanks to your videos, I bought the Nettar 518/16 last year. It's a great machine at a great price

[@imassimogreco]

hello, have you solved the problems at Nettar?

[@WietsedeJong]

Hello Rodger, I would check the easy thing first for example don't forget to check the bellows light leaks also could explain your soft pictures or haze..

[@theoldfilmbloke]

Roger -- when shooting black locos with a 'Between Lens Shutter' you can synch with FLASH at all speeds such as the 1/200th on your Nettar -- so why not get a small Sunpak or similar as i use and use 'flash fill-in' -- it will make all the difference and much easier to print. I have got great snaps with my 1956 Agfa Isolette III at Severn Valley Railway and Epping and Ongar Railway using flash and I can use 1/500th on the Synchro-Compur Shutter.

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Cheers Pete. I've never tried Flash on my folders. I have a few various flashes. I'll have to experiment with them. Hope you and the family are well ❤️

[@JanneRanta]

Just bought my first medium format film camera from japan. It's mamiya 6 that has hole in the bellows and lenses need to be cleaned but at least it was cheap. Cant wait to get back into medium format. Haven't shot any since 2006 I think.

[@kevinmclaughlin7350]

Hello Roger, Looks like you'r have good weather over there. I liked the history lesson about the train and difference names for "fanny packs". As always the darkroom information is right on. Thanks and stay safe with all that running you are doing. Kevin

[@derrenleepoole]

Just stumbled upon your channel. Nicely done that mate.Subbed.

[@perelandrauk]

Howdy Roger, I know you did a video on your lights already, but they really are so much brighter and really help us see what you're doing.

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Good to know! Cheers.

[@IainHC1]

My m8 Paul, who's a massive steam fan (of anything steam) Says that, if you want a good photo of a train puffing out loads of steam, you need to photograph the engine going up a hill! Thats when she's really working :-)

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

I figured that it needs to be when it's working hard. No hills :(

[@sergelivernoche9928]

Wow 🤩 amazing train 🚂 Thank you very much for Sharing this part of history in UK.. ✌️ Hello from Québec/Canada 👋😃📷🇨🇦🇬🇧

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@rolfduchene]

Hello Roger with this video you hit the bull's eye with me. I am a big fan of steam locomotives. In Switzerland, the trains also run on the left, luckily only by rail :-) Greetings from Adliswil (ZH)

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

They pack up now for the winter. Hopefully next year I'll be back Rolf.

[@rolfduchene]

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss i hope so, Roger. Thanks for the info.

[@Herve74B]

Super vidéo, merci ! J'ai un zeiss-ikon ikonta 521/16 (le viseur est plus grand que sur le nettar, qui est aussi dans ma vitrine) , se sont de très bons et très agréables appareils... pour de la photo sans stress ! 👍

[@m00dawg]

Trains! Love it! Sorry to hear about the Ikon lens. Hopefully that can be remedied!

[@northstar1950]

if you want steam the ideal time is a cold brisk sunny winters day, having said that most heritage railways only run at weekends or not at all in the new year. Second thoughts stop in and keep warm :)

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

I imagined that! A cold winters morning.

[@jhenline7813]

Enjoyed the vidéo Roger, the steam engine, the music and the darkroom session. Hope you can get the lens sorted, afraid I can’t be any help there.

[@psblad2667]

I shoot with a Nettar (Novar 4.5/75) too and it gives me really sharp photos, almost in parity with my Rolleiflex/Tessar!!! Obviously must be time for you to service the lenses!

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

That's what I'm used to with the Zeiss. Hopefully fixed now.

[@carstennorwaynorge2195]

Thank you roger for this nice video again. Greating from norway

[@dejong431]

Nice episode, btw would have liked it to be all in black and white like the beginning :-) / Concerning your unsharp pictures on the Nettar, could it be that the film pulled out by opening the lens to fast from the camera? I found many cameras while buying second hand that had the film stuck like that. Good work, always like to watch!

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

I never thought of that. The film getting sucked away!

[@wattn-dampf5228]

GREAT VID, ROGER!!! THANK for thant to YOU!

[@snapsnappist4529]

Lovely shots. Quick question - were you using a 50mm lens on the Chinon? For years I shot using 50s when out in the street, but I got more and more into wider lenses - 35 or 28 - as time went on. I can shoot at wider apertures and have fewer problems with depth of field or focus, plus I really enjoy the angle of view. Especially for things like trains, the perspective can make it look like things are coming right out at you.

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

I don't have a wide for the Chinon. The 50mm was an ideal choice for some of the train but, agreed ,a wide would have looked great for its approach Jim!

[@snapsnappist4529]

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Does the Chinon use a Pentax K lens mount?

[@aengusmacnaughton1375]

@@snapsnappist4529 -- Yup. Are you thinking what I am thinking?

[@ribsy]

A for presentation once again!

[@tonyrobinson3309]

Read somewhere or seen it on KZbin I think that the addition of an amount of salt to developer enhances grain sharpness. Do you know anything about that, As usual a great video, thanks

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

I've never tried it Tony or ever thought about trying it. Borut Peterlin maybe able to answer. He makes his own chems.

[@mrN3w7]

"...TROY TROY AGAIN!" :D That glass on the camera needs to be cleaned - it will give you soft images the way it is now. Are you a smoker by any chance?

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

not a smoker. :)

[@PictureSizeDoesMatter]

Hi what rangefinder is it?

[@otc-analogvintagetechnology]

But.... What happened to your HOLY ZEISS IKON NETTAR!!! ?

[@beckerse]

Well if you wear the bum bag with the pouch in front, I suppose it would be a fanny pack then.

[@tonyb2760]

First off, thanks for sharing. May I ask what range finder that is on your Ikon Nettar?

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

It's a ROWI

[@tonyb2760]

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Thank you

[@russellspeight5175]

Hi Roger, most of the times when I see haze on a lens its fungus - but sometimes the helicoid lubricant can break down and will migrate onto the glass (see: www.zeisscamera.com/services_lens.shtml ). Easily cleaned yourself, but a slightly filddly job with the requirement of one or two specialist tools (lens wrench and rubber lens tools). A classic camera repairman will do it for you no problem (take shutter out, clean glass, regrease helicoid and put back together with infinity focus).

[@ShootFilmLikeaBoss]

Thanks Russell!