Are BS/MD Programs Worth It? Pros & Cons

[@ridgeweston9621]

“Missing out on a more traditional college experience” like I’m not already taking online classes and rarely leaving my apartment lol

[@onepiecefan]

Exactly what I thought. College is the most overrated thing in the world

[@SK-mr6ov]

Facts

[@billrussell4832]

@@onepiecefan facts. even though I have grew as person, my first semester in college was hell. I'd rather get started early on working on my career than having the "college experience" its either you have fun now and suffer later or suffer now and have fun later. I choose 2

[@nora-sv3pp]

Throwback to when I accidentally searched for “BDSM programs” instead of “BSMD programs”

[@pchaney8753]

Nora I feel you internet

[@nia_m_h_2334]

Lmfao

[@aylaozturk5878]

i-

[@elijahmurray6094]

Lmfao

[@mycatsballs8195]

Omg the channel actually gave a “heart” to this comment 🤣

[@tuckerluna6366]

I am in a BS/MD program and the one piece of advice that I would give to those in high school is to be 100% sure you want to be a doctor because you will be stuck there for the next 7 years of your life. A lot of my friends lost interest in being a doctor but they couldn’t do anything.

[@preciousd6967]

Any advice for extra curriculars in high school?

[@tuckerluna6366]

@@preciousd6967 there are four things that I did for extracurriculares; 1. I was on the varsity track team 2. I did scientific research in my school’s marine biology lab. 3. I shadowed tons of doctors (pre-COVID of course) 4. And I tutored math to the lower income kids in my city. I think the best thing to do is to focus on a few things and do them really well. Good luck!

[@nightsky733]

@@tuckerluna6366 which schools did you get into (if you're comfortable)

[@avabrown60]

I’m currently a sophomore in high school and due to covid last year i had online school so i didn’t get to do any extra curricular activities, so this year i’m making up for it. I’m in three clubs in which one is a medical club and i’m in my schools national honors society. Along with that this summer i’m going to be shadowing doctors! Is there anything else that I should do or just advice that could be useful?

[@ellianaandrews9025]

@@avabrown60 Hey, any updates? Did you get into a BS MD program? I’ll be trying to apply this year :) Would love more info on your experience

[@probablystudying5811]

My roommate and I are the same age... she did BS/MD and is a resident and I did a BS, MA and am in my second MD application cycle. The amount of time and money she saved is wild to me. I 1000% wish I knew about BS/MD when I was in high school.

[@chickenwang8786]

Y’all don’t forget that bs/md programs are VERY competitive and the acceptance rates are incredibly low like 2% or less.

[@AB-sr4xd]

Yup, Rice/Baylor Medical Scholars had 1600 applicants and only invited 25 to interview

[@thewyattt9668]

Forreal 3/4 of the ppl watching this won’t even qualify to apply unless you had your $hit together since freshman yr of hs

[@kromatic3610]

Also the attrition rate can be less than 40%.

[@toughsuga2]

💯

[@harlemm9762]

As a 15yr old high schooler this is so helpful.

[@jaredwatkins8588]

I know right

[@savannaledden2943]

omg right im 15 & a freshmen in hs & i agree this is incredibly helpful, if i still want to be a doctor by senior/junior year id def take a BSMD program

[@harlemm9762]

@@savannaledden2943 same!

[@Miralomace25]

@@savannaledden2943 yo just enjoy life. You’re young and this track never ends. -md student

[@sj-bs1pc]

@@Miralomace25 I got accepted into a bs/pa program but I’m on the fence because I want to enjoy my college life so idk if I should do it or go to a college I actually want to go

[@jasonlopez8499]

For any high schooler watching this, take the BS/MD route. Once you get to college you have to meet minimums in specific classes and you've already gotten your shoe in the med school connected to your program. Just get the required MCAT score and you'll be fine. Literally everyone I have met who has done this enjoyed undergrad more than the premeds who did not do this type of program.

[@gmansplit]

You and so many others in these comments say "take the BS/MD route" as if its so easy and represents an actual choice. In reality, of course, BS/MD programs are insanely competitive. Take me, for example. I applied to a local BS/MD program with a 4.6 weighted GPA (second in my class of 350), 1490 sat, and 15 AP classes, with 11 5s and 4 4s on the associated AP exams. Despite these strong credentials, however, I was rejected in the first stage of the process. And, to add insult to injury, the med school associated with said BS/MD program is among the bottom 25% of med schools in the country! What do they even want from applicants? If you haven't discovered the cure to fuckin' cancer, I guess you're not good enough. Anyways, the point is that sure, getting into med school normally isn't easy, but it's a heck of a lot easier than BS/MD.

[@jasonlopez8499]

@@gmansplit Did you do anything else besides school? Did you volunteer? Did you join an EMS team? Did you go to the hospitals and read books to kids in the PICU? Did you shadow doctors? Med schools have grown tired of the book smart student. They want well rounded people who have empathy and can prove that they WANT to be docs because they WANT to, not just because they can. I'm not saying thats you, for all i know you could have done all those things and still got rejected.

[@gmansplit]

@@jasonlopez8499 Unfortunately, I moved around a lot during high school and had severe depression and social anxiety for much of that time. As a result, my ECs were basically non-existent. Obviously, that's a huge factor, but it doesn't change my basic point about BS/MD programs being way harder to get in to than regular ol' med school.

[@jasonlopez8499]

@@gmansplit actually it does. without ec's you're not getting any acceptances because you're no different than anyone else who has high scores and classes. Only way you can manage that is if you know someone.

[@gmansplit]

@@jasonlopez8499 No, it doesn't. It feels like you are deliberately misinterpreting me. I am perfectly aware that my lack of ECs were almost certainly the reason I was denied BS/MD. My argument, however, is abased on actual data about the acceptance rate for BS/MD programs being much lower than for regular med school. This is direct and objective proof, which is caused by many factors, including the fact that it is a lot harder to have that strong EC base as a high schooler than as a college student.

[@MaximPospelov]

In Europe BS/MD combined degree is the traditional route.

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

Yes

[@misli8]

@@MedSchoolInsiders And some countries does not have any BS at all. Only MD after the end of med school.

[@ziemowitniesiolowski9689]

And in others you get a degree that is formally a masters and to call yourself a doctor you need a phd.

[@jayw8726]

In some countries they go to MBBS directly after high school. Eg - UK.

[@ucsucs3722]

@@jayw8726 hi I'm an Alevel highschool student Would you please take the time to explain the significance(value) of an MBBS degree and how it compares to what other people do to study medicine right after highschool

[@jacobpereramd8094]

Graduating this year from a 6 year BS/MD program and wouldn't change a thing. Here's why: -The "typical college experience" is not the same for undergrads trying to get into med school. Its more stressful, with less time to actually enjoy being a college student. As someone with the guarantee of medical school, I thoroughly enjoyed my undergrad coursework and found plenty of fun things to do and joined greek life to get myself the social experience I wanted. -The rank and prestige of the medical school you go to matters, I wont deny that. But, no matter what school you come from, there are plenty of ways to show that your a top student so that when it comes time to apply for residency after, you can go where you want. My school is lower tier, but we send students to the top residency programs every year because no matter where youre from if you work hard, you can present yourself as exceptional. -Its definitely not for everyone, and you have to know what you wanna do in life and be committed to medicine, but if you are, its the right way to go in my book. You are saving time, saving money on tuition and living expenses, and getting started in the workforce earlier. When a career in medicine guarantees at least 3 years of training after medical school, finishing at 24 as opposed to 26 (or later for gap year students) makes a huge difference when you can reach top earning potential before you're 30.

[@cam609lee]

You mentioned saving on tuition and living expenses. How do the undergraduate costs of a BS/MD program differ from the traditional route?

[@rodentplaysgames7472]

I’m guessing this was the UMKC one. If so, how was the research opportunities?

[@jacobpereramd8094]

@@rodentplaysgames7472 it’s been several years since I’ve been there but I found it was not difficult to find research in an area you were interested in

[@vicscamera]

I really wish I had done a BS/MD program. I’m in year 2 of undergrad and I wish I had known about it earlier. Thank for the video!

[@dance31115]

Look into early acceptance programs, many med schools offer programs you apply to sophomore year undergrad!

[@puroboludeo1]

In a lot of countries (most, if not all, countries in Europe and Latin America, for example) the traditional route is similar to the BSMD, you go straight from highschool to university. Every career is like this because there is not such a thing as an intermediate stage between highschool and university or tertiary education, such as college in the US. The thing is, careers are longer because the basic contents you need to learn (which in the US you would learn in college) are provided during the first couple of years of every given career. For example, in Argentina you go straight from highschool to study at a given university. Med school takes at least 6 to 7 years, Law or any kind of Engineering take around 5 years, etc. The concept of having to go through an extra step before entering university is non existent in the minds of people in a lot of countries around the world. That's to the the point that when English is taught in my country, for example, we are told that the word "college" is a synonym to the word "university".

[@tedtang6977]

I think, a straight medical degree like mbbs is more common around the world and the US model (4+4) is the minority.

[@ucsucs3722]

Yeah here in Bangladesh we call college year 12 and year 13 then off to Uni we go

[@Gooner5]

Tough to know that particular med school is right for you right after high school. If you know early on though it's a blessing

[@dance31115]

I am in a BS/MD program and a lot of my peers still applied to other schools just to see, but they knew they had the BS/MD to fall back on

[@chickenwang8786]

@@dance31115 wow which one are you in?

[@dance31115]

@@chickenwang8786 My program is with SUNY Upstate Medical, they have a bunch of undergrad partners :) (I just looked into it and it seems they now have binding contracts though, that was not there in previous years)

[@chickenwang8786]

@@dance31115 oh ok. If you don’t mind me asking, what were some of your high school stats and extracurriculars?

[@dance31115]

@@chickenwang8786 I had a 104 GPA weighted, and a ~98 unweighted I believe (16 out of 436 in my class). I honestly didn't do well on my SAT (1280) but did better on my ACT (31). I had been a dancer all of my life so that was a big extracurricular as well as some volunteer work through my church. I think my biggest pull and why they liked me is I had around ~50-100 volunteer hours with a hospital in high school so I definitely recommend looking into high school volunteer opportunities in healthcare

[@user-rz8vp1bd2y]

Just graduated from 6 year BA/MD program from high school. I’m very happy with my school and the outcome. My husband and I matched into our first choice. Don’t get me wrong it was stressful but Med school is stressful in general but it kept my loans veryyy low

[@starfireluvsu]

Omg thats amazing. how old r u now?

[@yusufqureshi9579]

I’ve been waiting for this. I’m learning towards the bs/md

[@johnMD1599]

I did that in Texas a decade ago and it was worth it. Though it's still competitive.

[@salmed3721]

As a current BS/DO student I can say choosing a program like this was the best decision of my life!! I’m not trying to promote here, but I speak more about it on my channel. Kevin brings up some key points for both the pro’s and the con’s, but after seeing my fellow classmates who are not in my program and pre med struggling with the application process plus not knowing what the future will hold. I can for sure say the pro’s outweigh the con’s drastically.

[@gooinitku5069]

So wait are you accepted anywhere?

[@Gooner5]

Fellow DO reppin 👊🏿

[@salmed3721]

@@gooinitku5069 yes. I talk about it in my videos

[@maddoxjones1]

How many years is the BS/DO program?

[@daniellec1721]

@@maddoxjones1 I’m in a BS/DO program and it’s a 4+4 program but my school also offers 3+4

[@pupeEETR]

Important benefit from a finance guy: Being able to be a doctor earlier means you are earning earlier, means you can pay off your loans earlier with less interest, along with the fact your original loan is a lot less (Opportunity cost)

[@larsenjennings7324]

Im in a BS/MD/PhD program (still have to apply and take MCAT) Its definitely a rigorous program and people are always pushing you to be the best possible candidate. Ive found myself to be in a place where, had I had not been in the program, I most likely could get into more prestigious Med schools So I definitely agree with the 'schools winning' thing. I still feel like its a good route and I have the option to opt out of the PhD if I want and I can still get my BS/MD in 7 instead of 8 years

[@allyalive]

Where is this?

[@doublethebenjamin8185]

Would love to see a "so you want to be" for oncologist or endocrinologist

[@Jack-mh3rx]

Thank you for doing this channel. You have helped and so many others.

[@shirleytrenche7852]

Another con that wasn’t really touched in the video is if you have a lot of college credit before graduating high school! In my case, I had over 2 years worth of college credit. So, I would graduate with a bachelor’s degree in less than 2 years. The BS/MD programs I looked into had a minimum 3 year bachelor’s degree requirement. It was actually going to set me back a whole year. I’m in med school now, having only done 2 years of undergrad to get my BS. So for people who have a lot of college credit rethink doing a BS/MD. You’d be surprised you can actually finish med school quicker if you just dual enroll (get a whole lot of college credit) while in high school.

[@jacobwhite5196]

Hi, I will also have 2 years of college credit once I graduate high school. If you don’t mind me asking did you take a gap year? Also was it stressful trying to build ECs, study for MCAT, and apply will less time in university.

[@shirleytrenche7852]

No. I didn’t take a gap year. Studying for the MCAT and getting those EC is stressful regardless if you do it while earning college credit in high school or as a college student. The biggest con is that most doctor’s who you want to shadow might not take you seriously because you’re young. Some schools don’t like younger candidates but if you have good stats/ EC you should be fine.

[@bIossoms]

hi! im a high schooler and I will graduate with two years of college credit and i want to do the bs/md path. so are u saying its recommended for someone like me or its not if the program requires the 3 years thing. I'm fine if it does require that

[@nooramohsin260]

I appreciate this video so much! I didn’t know about this I’’m only sixteen years old and this is so helpful for me. I think I will watch that video many more times in the future to help me decide. Thank you so much ☺️

[@irenehuang2469]

Choosing a BS/MD program was the best decision of my life :) although, I do feel very burned out in the last year of my undergrad.

[@jordanlazaro1676]

In europe, the BS/MD is the norm since you start med school once you finish highschool

[@joshb2686]

Expecting an 18 year old to know what they actually want to do with there life is pretty sketchy. I can only think of a handful of my friends who kept to their majors (I changed majors like 3 times).

[@LisaKirova]

This! I found my passion for medicine through pure luck in a core science class sophomore spring. If it weren’t for the traditional US college structure I wouldn’t have been able to find out I liked medicine (I was studying something totally different) or complete the premed track in 2 .5 years (& I’m a med school first year now!)

[@riaaaaaaaaaa7777]

I'm so glad there's like a channel like dis, i was so confused earlier

[@1KealeCade]

BS MD is so nice!! having a 19 year old brain in medical school is amazing. being 22/24 is a difference. The older you get you start to get a little more tired. As a BS in neuroscience many classes I took in my junior and senior year were repeated in medically school. I have taken multiple courses 2-3x. Cell biology and biochemistry are already so similar in undergrad & again in med school...I mean I guess I did well. Not necessary. Also doing BS md means you don’t really have to do ECs, research and volunteering. You can aim to get your 3.6+ for the first two years and then boom you start school! it’s a fantastic choice tbh

[@averyjollyelf9007]

thats amazing, if you dont mind, what ec's did you have in highschool that helped you get into this program

[@PHILLYMEDIC69]

I disagree. My '19 year old brain' was more immature and less driven than my '22/24 year old brain'.

[@meghanthomas9772]

can you do a video on MD/PhD programs?

[@Tom-kr5nu]

Hey Kevin! Really enjoying your practical videos. I would love to see how you balanced eating healthy with school and residency! Maybe drop a video with recipe ideas and the system that worked for you? Thanks!

[@abdullahnizar6784]

his name isnt kevin my man! lol

[@helenach3843]

Isn't that what the rest of the world does? (6 years program after high school)

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

Yes

[@orbittrident1615]

I'm a high schooler seeking to get a job in the medical field, I've always considered maybe I should go straight to a BS/MD programs! Thank you!!!!

[@jayw8726]

I did BS/MD, and have no regrets!!! But I had no weekends, no summer vacations and that was hard.

[@harrisonachunche4098]

Great video! As a UK medical student it's always interesting for me to see how it works from across the pond. Read more for my advice on BS/MD In the UK medical degrees are 5 year degrees that most people start at 18 so 8/7/6 years is pretty manageable. If you're 100% sure you want to study medicine and you feel you have enough experience of medicine I'd definitely say you should consider applying.

[@rafaelcalderon3681]

PLEASE do an MD/Ph.D. version of this video!

[@charlesshi3228]

If you can get into a bsmd program at an undergrad you like that allows you to apply out, the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Schools support their bsmd students above and beyond the typical premed and you will be grateful for the opportunities

[@HaloGuy552]

My school left us on our own for bsmd, not all schools are supportive

[@charlesshi3228]

@@HaloGuy552 that’s very surprising, sorry to hear that. I definitely don’t think that’s the norm

[@emaan96]

I’m really stuck on HOW to apply. None of the colleges in my area have the BS/MD program and it’s very expensive to pay out of state, especially coming from a low income family. I did apply and get into VCU but I wasn’t able to join the guaranteed admission for med school because my counselor went MIA and literally didn’t send me my information until two weeks after the deadline 😔

[@PhilRocks39a]

Missouri Southern State University has a 7 year BS/DO program that I’m in. Acceptance into med school out of high school, no required Mcat score. 25 possible slots that usually don’t even get filled. It’s called the Yours to Lose program and if you’re still looking into it id recommend checking it out.

[@emaan96]

@@PhilRocks39a I would look into it but I live in Maryland so it's too far out of state, and since I'm from a low-income family it's going to be hard to go that far away from home. but thank you for the info! I really appreciate it

[@sidharthdwivedi2444]

Been waiting for this video!!! 😩🙏

[@sebastiansays274]

Omg thanks Kevin I almost applied to a BS/MD program

[@anushkapandey7538]

I love your videos they are so helpful 💖

[@spueekeeechikn7332]

Please do a video about medical schools around the world (eg uk, Canada...)

[@santiagonieto4619]

Or even European ones yea

[@fanxy406]

In Australia we have undergraduate (straight out of high school) and postgraduate (after a bachelor degree) medicine courses - undergrad is 5-6 years, postgraduate is usually 4 years.

[@LisaKirova]

It’s a good idea for those who know what they want early on, but shouldn’t be the only option. Not everyone knows what they want at 18. If it weren’t for the US college structure, I would have never found out I love medicine or gone on to attend med school (I switched to premed my sophomore spring after falling in love with a core science human biology course I got by pure chance. I realize however, I’m probably an exception to general trends in terms of when and how I decided)

[@euphoria4502]

I’m a junior in high school and I really want to apply to a BS/MD program as I think it suits me better. I don’t have enough extracurriculars and I’m my state it’s hard to find any kind of medical programs for high school students.

[@thatone2580]

Do a video on whether medical school prestige matters for top residency programs (especially with exams going pass fail!)

[@albus1190]

8 years seem unnecessarily long, everywhere else around the word its 5/6 years.

[@varshithv2751]

Thank you I have been looking for this video for a while!

[@abhiuppalapati6755]

I’ve been waiting for this for a long time yayy

[@hannahs6771]

I'm in a BS/MD program and I massively regret it. Now, I am stuck in a program I feel miserable in, barely holding on to the grades I need, in a university I hate. Please be sure you know this is really what you want before you sign that contract. Also, realize that you need to somewhat like the university/area/medical school you will be spending the next 6-8 years.

[@chickenwang8786]

Which one are you in?

[@hannahs6771]

@@chickenwang8786 Augusta. There's a reason they don't publish the acceptance or dropout rates.

[@johnMD1599]

I was in a BS/MD program and there is a way out.

[@bruhhmomentumm]

@@hannahs6771 Oof. Your stuck in the armpit of Georgia for the next 6-8 years. Stay strong sister. You can do this!

[@jazlyn2721]

@@hannahs6771How did it go for you? Hope you’re doing well nowadays. Hang in there! :(

[@zaidkhalid3562]

You should do a video talking about how to avoid getting sued by patients

[@caiolessa6255]

I personally disagree with the first drawback. In most countries students go to med school straight out of high school. In the Us most people careers chose their careers within the first or second year of college. Sure you don't have to work at the field that you majored in, but that is still the norm.

[@zachjones6944]

I rotated with a Bariatric surgeon in Hawaii who went through a BS/MD program. Awesome guy.

[@kevinfranzen9733]

I'm originally from Chicago and both Northwestern a great school and University of Illinois at Chicago have BS/MD programs. I also thought Washington University in St Louis had one and that school is super competitive.

[@zzz3002]

Hi there, is anyone studying at Sophie Davis NY? I interested in applying to this school - your help will be very useful to me! ✌️

[@ambergirlever]

Hey, Dr. Jubbal, could you please go over dual degree programs with med school? Programs like MD/MBA, MD/MPH, etc. I would love to hear more about the opportunities, pros and cons, etc. Thanks :)

[@alexandralee8215]

Apply to Brown's PLME program! Not accelerated, so you get the same undergrad experience, it's at a prestigious university so the outside pressure is still somewhat there, and there is no commitment whatsoever -- you can drop medical school or apply out if you wish!

[@qwertyyxoxo]

LOL if you get into brown, you can also get into harvard and obviously medical school traditionally.... so what's the point? choose harvard.

[@ninanina5184]

In medical school but watching it anyways lol

[@SourPussCouchPotato]

Y’all should make a video specifically about the mismatch between public perception and the reality of being a physician

[@belladelgado2319]

ThanksJubbal i’m rethinking my decision for Bs/Md

[@Skunkeater]

This video was amazing keep it up

[@muhammadhamzanoor516]

the commiting without enough exposure to medicine is basically what goes on in pakistan, india and most other asian countries. You become a doctor in 5 years straight out of secondary school.

[@manvithas6814]

In India we have a standardized exam called NEET which we write right after high school and you get alloted colleges on a rank based system, the medical course is called mbbs and the same exam also gets you into dental, ayurveda and other traditional medicine courses. The mbbs medicine course is for 4.5+1yr internship and you're a doctor by the end of those 5.5 years.. Getting into medical school is entirely based on ur rank in the entrance exam and immediately after high school, no pre med or bachelor's degree requirement

[@gmajor7278]

Ya but that causes many of the indian doctors to be inexperienced, which in turn causes problems for the Healthcare system

[@oussamatefaha4115]

I'm from Algeria and I well be a doctor إنشاء الله

[@beakless_duck]

I've been binge watching Josh Chen's videos, and you happened to post a video on the BS/MD topic too! TBH idk why I'm even watching videos on this, I'm not even a medical student, and over here we do a 5 year MBBS 🤣

[@davidsoto4394]

Thank you for this video.

[@achinthyaramamoorthy5720]

You should make a video on non-traditional graduates with a different bachelors degree trying to get into medicine :)

[@RankinHalo]

so does the bs/md program after graduation can choose what type of specific aneseothiloist doctor u wanna be? or what type of doctor do they have a choose ?

[@nickshaysancheti6591]

why cant international students get into med school in usa easily , which med schools accept international students? and is it better to just do medical school in your country and give the usmle ?

[@belladelgado2319]

most likely due to the immigration policies and restrictions. Med school is very competitive and most schools don’t want their students to leave under any circumstance. I think most schools don’t want to risk it with an international student and would rather go with a us citizen for a possible candidate. I hope this helped and i wish you luck with your med school path.

[@darcyliliana4907]

You can always go to the Caribbean schools. They have the same circular as the US

[@Shinobu553]

Well if you want to become a medical doctor in Europe you usually study directly after highschool and it takes 6 years

[@WWTormentor]

One of my residency attending a once told us that BS/MD program are for those students who’s parents are doctors and they have to be a doctor as well but just don’t quite have the grades to make it.

[@slytherclawgal193]

That's not true at all. You definitely need to have the grades to get into one. Most of the good ones have less than 4% acceptance rates. I got into one and had a 4.0 unweighted and took 11 AP classes as well as honors classes. all my scores 99th percentile, publications, club leadership, etc. Neither of my parents are doctors, and for thee ppl I know who are in the program, neither are theirs. That guy was probably salty about his kid or him not getting into one I'm assuming.

[@WWTormentor]

Slytherclaw Gal I can’t speak for how it is today, but the competition for BS/MD program was much less intense than for medical schools. This is back in 1992 when they were still new. Many chose this option or medical schools in the Caribbean. So I’m sure things have changed since then. Just telling you from my experience.

[@worfuganggandrew9534]

Being a doctor is not only about nailing the test, and get straight A’s, it’s about learning the humanity with your profound knowledge of medicine.

[@wamiosh7270]

who was gonna tell me i have to take physics again to become a doctor😟

[@madisonharressey3981]

Can you please make a “so you want to be a neonatal surgeon” video

[@emilieforrest4192]

the thing that worries me about the BS/MD route is taking classes year round. I'm afraid that I will be burnt out from taking classes fall-summer. I'm also stressed about my acceptance as I come from a small school where AP and IB classes are not offered. I have been accepted into a technical school where my junior year I took a medical terminology class and Allied Health and this upcoming year I will take the professional nursing program. I was supposed to get shadowing hours from this but due to COVID, I'm unable to get any shadowing or volunteering hours. I am just worried that what I was offered won't be enough.

[@futuredoctorbri]

Love these Med School Insiders comparison videos!! If you want to see what life is like going the classic college to medical school route I have a few premed vlogs and mcat videos on my channel!

[@Beck-Stein]

I would not recommend a bs/md as it restricts your movement to other schools. A lot of programs state you have to maintain a 3.7 and some with mcat. That already makes you competitive to a bevy of schools. Now you’re restricted.

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

Pros and cons to BS MD for sure!

[@glokjdfngkjsdnf1104]

British medical students doing 5 year medical school 👁👄👁

[@worfuganggandrew9534]

I understand you probably took the traditional path of medical school but you shouldn’t really discourage people who wants to seek this path.

[@dance31115]

I am actually a senior in undergrad through a BS/MD program so if anyone has any questions from someone who experienced it first hand, please let me know

[@bokumbap5026]

is a BS/MD program something you decide as you're going into college or after you complete 4 years of undergrad?

[@dance31115]

@@bokumbap5026 I applied for the program when I was a senior in high school and decided then. So you go into college knowing you are accepted in medical school

[@shivamvachhani676]

Is it tough to get residency than traditional MD?

[@dance31115]

@@shivamvachhani676 I am not in medical school yet so I don't know for sure but the program I am in is 4 years undergrad and 4 years medical school like any other medical student so we are just treated like any other medical student with the same training :)

[@ramasamysubash7831]

thx for your help - Does ranking of med school really matter.? Also how BA/MD vs BS/MD any diff in value.?

[@jackji2325]

The only BS/MD combo program I applied to (or knew of) in high school was USC. Wouldn't say they are lower-tier in anyway

[@davidwang5678]

Could you please make a video on combined residency programs (eg med/peds, med/psych, EM/IM, etc)?

[@gabriellelakso2303]

I just learned about the bsmd route I’m a high school jr, I do well in school and do extracurriculars and I’m a a good interviewer and have a strong passion for medicine (I’m first gen healthcare worker) and emt school rn, but idk if I need to me a 5.0 valedictorian to even have a chance

[@waterbenderpvp8804]

I currently attend the Union/Albany Medical School BS/MD/MBA program. The program is absolutely amazing but in terms of the undergraduate experience I will say that in terms of the student body I would have fit in much more in a higher-ranked more competitive institution

[@qwertyyxoxo]

LOL BRO SAME. union sucks. make the most of it though, and hey at least you can party because you only need to maintain that 3.5. and union's campus is hella pretty too

[@sj-bs1pc]

I got into the joint pa program at Albany but I’m on the fence because I like bigger schools and I’m still shaky on if I want to 100% commit to the route right now but they’ve been all so nice and make it seem so appealing but I like this other school better. I’m not sure what to choose. I don’t want to live in Albany for the next 6 years

[@qwertyyxoxo]

@@sj-bs1pc damn bro congrats! it's really up to you - do you wanna spend the next 4 years competing for a med school spot (which you already have) but having a better college experience? or do you want to take it easy? small schools have a special sauce, with big schools you're just a number - however if it's a big school with PRESTIGE then i get why it can be tempting.

[@84zero00]

Well, not sure about lower MCAT requirements for BsMd. One bsmd I know requires mcat >= 514.

[@florenciamistrorigo3308]

hello! i know its not your situation, but could you make a video directed towards IMGs?? im graduating medical school here and then i'll dedicate 2 to 5 extra years to study for all the steps, and i could really use some tips! whether you talk about study tips, residency programs and ways to make this hard process more enjoyable. thank u !

[@hannahcook9477]

A lot of people at my medical school did the BS/MD program. I still wish I knew early on and was able to do such a program but at the same point, I have noticed some of these students are struggling a bit more with adjusting to the rigors of medical school.

[@gooinitku5069]

How hard could it be to adjust? Shouldnt you be studying the maxium you can in these programs

[@hannahcook9477]

@@gooinitku5069 Not sure since I didn't do it personally. But I do know the MCAT minimums were much lower than what you typically need as well as the minimum GPA requirements as mentioned in the video. I guess it would depend on the student if they were just trying to meet these requirements or if they were trying to excel the entire time! I think it is what you make of it!

[@gooinitku5069]

@@hannahcook9477 exactly! Thank you.

[@TheMarshmellowLife]

Would a bsmd program be an option for an older student who might not have wanted to go into medicine earlier in life but has decided it's their calling now? Or is it just a highschool graduate opportunity?

[@thorclashroyale4550]

can someone tell me if as an international student, I can get accepted into medical school

[@mariyahkazim7633]

yes, you can. Research and see which medical schools accepts international students and what are the admission requirements for them.

[@mandiangumd]

I wish programs like these existed in Canada, I would have preferred to take this route then the traditional one :(((

[@deserteagle6704]

Hi Dr jubbal Would love if you cover up those specialities which are easier to get after internal medicine since cardio and gastro are very competitive. Thnx❤️

[@MedSchoolInsiders]

Patience young padawan

[@deserteagle6704]

@@MedSchoolInsiders omG. Thnx so much for the reply. Now, desperately waiting. I hope within 5-6 episodes, you will address it.

[@anushkapandey7538]

omg I'm so early! the first here

[@AshleyTimoh]

I have my associates straight out of high school because of DE classes. Does that shorten the amount of time I spend in the program?

[@alisonvargas4229]

are there any bs/md programs for people that already graduated ? I always wanted to be a doctor. I graduated last year and I just found out about these programs😔

[@kenn-ff7sp]

Are there any scholarships for such programs???

[@dragoahan9549]

Do you study with music?

[@MohamedAli-et8pz]

Hey Kevin can please do the research playlist

[@bryannachambers7683]

Can you do a video on how to become more motivated as a premed and med student. This pandemic is getting to me. Im a premed and its been really hard for me to stay motivated.

[@letstalkletslearn]

Please do a video on doing an M.D after a Pharm.D degree.

[@arshdeepgill7842]

So in a traditional path you could major in any subject as long as you complete the prerequisites but in a bs/md program do we have to major in a certain subject or can we major in whatever subject for our BA just like the traditional path?

[@soccerrecap6220]

I really want to be a doctor. I wish I got on this program. I don't know if there are any available for international applicants

[@Kkksa199]

Can you do a video about genetic counseling?

[@dolevrevivo]

In Israel we have both types of programs (4 years medical school after a bachelor degree with perquisite courses and semi MCAT +personality tests) and a traditional 7 years medical school (BS-MD). The 7 years program are actually better here and the schools offering them are ranked higher. Also combined programs are typically available only in the 7 years program schools. The BS years are actually the preclinical years (the first year is dedicated for foundation courses in the basic sciences (chemistry, biology, physics) and the second and third years are pretty much identical to the American 1st and 2nd years of med school. In addition to that some schools offer combined programs both in the undergraduate level (in addition to the BS of med school you can complete another full bachelor degree in computer sciences, material sciences or biomedical engineering- these add 1-2 years to the schooling) and the graduate level (in addition to the MD you can acquire a PhD, MSc, MPH, MBA- these add 1 to 4 years of schooling). It’s super busy but it comes from the realization we need more physicians engaged in biomedical/computational research and engineering.