Meet the Most Nerfed Tower of all time!

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Hbomb

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@TimePhoenix Ай бұрын

It’s funny because the permaspike does this funny prank where it pretends to be a permaspike and does nothing

@This_used_to_be_my_moms Ай бұрын

What?

@Eden-mn6rt Ай бұрын

@@This_used_to_be_my_momsyes

@TsczhabyCC Ай бұрын

Weird how they overshot with this tower but so many others were useless on release

@raiden8929 Ай бұрын

Bro. Brother. Really?

@amistupid3175 Ай бұрын

@@raiden8929wdym? Most t5 were weak on release

@raiden8929 Ай бұрын

@@amistupid3175 no, not that. The phrasing of his statement. Saying its "weird" that the game wasn't perfectly balanced upon release.

@NoobSharkey Ай бұрын

@@raiden8929they were saying its weird how off the balancing was not just that it was off tho

@thatonedude920 Ай бұрын

@@raiden8929i would agree if this was what the comment was intending to call weird, but im pretty certain they were calling the permaspike's power being the odd one out of the rest of the 5th tiers weird, as opposed to the balancing in general

@kacheechang4667 Ай бұрын

perma spikes and spactory in general has always been a really strong tower for chimps, spike mines answers basically any super ceramics, spike storm and cos are incredibly strong and perma spikes can just answer every ddt round on its own allowing you to focus on zomg and the bad.

@sayoriigd Ай бұрын

even with all the nerfs, its still a pretty balanced and fun tower. expecially with striker level 8 and top mermonkey

@ma2perdue Ай бұрын

Yeah I used to love playing stall games with freeze/glue/pushback and bloontrap ... But now I realize that event farming is best done as fast as possible... So what is your favorite rubber melter speed run strat for btd6?

@chainsawplayin Ай бұрын

It's like Perma Spike is supposed to be a cleanup option with some MOAB killing power and not the be-all and end-all instant win solution.

@aidansedelnick4443 Ай бұрын

It literally is The bottom path is all about support and clean up, top path focuses on damage overall and middle is all about moab damage and quanity Bottom path does its job well, but IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A CHEAPER 502 SUPER MINES

@ripreq6580 Ай бұрын

@@aidansedelnick4443 It was a joke

@chainsawplayin Ай бұрын

@@aidansedelnick4443 Chill out redditor

@aidansedelnick4443 Ай бұрын

@@chainsawplayinI was just trying to prove a point :

@MarkLawrence-ud7ii Ай бұрын

@@aidansedelnick4443you prolly smell like cheese

@syndere6755 Ай бұрын

Permaspike every patch: Oh no! Anyway... *rebuilds death pile*

@chickenz2695 Ай бұрын

It has always been that brick wall at the end of the track that eats DDTs and moabs for breakfast. Sad to see so many nerfs, but at least it's balanced and useable

@TheRageBaiter Ай бұрын

I'm got recommended this while doing a Perma Spike run, how ironic.

@Moontopper Ай бұрын

This always saddens me a bit, since this is one of favorite towers, and favorite upgrades. But I still think it's pretty good. Especially for DDT's if you can buff it, which I struggle with. Still love this thing though. Keep up the great work! Love your content man.

@Hbomb Ай бұрын

Thanks! I miss the old op days too, but it's still good enough to carry a run, so I can't complain too much :)

@FrostyTheCookie Ай бұрын

I'm happy because I can use it more without the guilt. Tbh it's still top tier and makes so many maps WAAAAY easier, but at least it feels like cheese a little less.

@oceanbeans8546 Ай бұрын

It genuinely is still really good with Striker and LotA. Got me a bunch of black borders on 1 lane maps

@DrewBoivie Ай бұрын

The perma spike does something fairly irreplaceable. It buffers damage for when its needed most. Its no surprise that its a popular option. That said, it should always be remembered that Perma-Spike's DPS is incredibly bad. Its potential popping power per second is about 1/10 of Glaive Lord or Lord of the Abyss (for its cost).

@michasokoowski6651 Ай бұрын

But it also has an incredible synergy with damage buffs

@m4rcyonstation93 Ай бұрын

Is lota really around the same dps/cost as glaive lord? I find that really hard to believe for some reason

@DrewBoivie Ай бұрын

@@m4rcyonstation93 Sandbox it for yourself. It nearly solos 98 on a lot of maps.

@DrewBoivie Ай бұрын

@@michasokoowski6651 Yeah...but 3x a low number is still not a high number...and that's being generous.

@m4rcyonstation93 Ай бұрын

@@DrewBoivie Oh wow, yeah. Kinda falls off more than glaive lord does on harder maps, and doesn't have the luxury of ptraining as a buff, but that's a lot better than i thought

@MitchellCFlint Ай бұрын

RIP permaspike, it's like he's still with us 🕊️🕊️🕊️

@Cedi_gaming Ай бұрын

You could haveafe a meme lol

@Cedi_gaming Ай бұрын

Like this: Rip permaspike🦅🦅🦅 (couldn't find the 🕊️ emoji)

@zukertsgaming8091 Ай бұрын

Perma spike with striker jones is always super fun

@p0fl1 Ай бұрын

Perma Spike can't keep its stats permanent or its spikes. 💀

@Polxzaw Ай бұрын

But it still manages to be overpowered

@meinman7591 Ай бұрын

sir, it's only had it's stats changed in 6 updates, 2 were indirect (it was the crosspath itself that was nerfed) and 1 was completely reverted. Cut the cope, Gerry has been nerfed in 11 updates, none of which were indirectly or reverted, and this is excluding any bug fixes that made him worse

@m4rcyonstation93 Ай бұрын

@@meinman7591 and geraldo is still pretty good lol

@meinman7591 Ай бұрын

@@m4rcyonstation93 And Pspike is also still top tier, Gerry is barely top 3 hero rn

@snomgangscorch9557 Ай бұрын

@@meinman7591wtf? The bridge between corvus & sauda, and geraldo isn’t that massive.

@lukizard9625 Ай бұрын

I named my spike factor road work ahead just because of how many balance changes it gets

@BbbogosBinted Ай бұрын

Thats some pretty neat info, always fun to learn a bit more history

@Hbomb Ай бұрын

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it :)

@ashmander3465 Ай бұрын

I only learned recently that I had to swap to smart I thought it was swapped to when smart is gotten

@cosmicswordsman99 Ай бұрын

Hbomb I dare you to do a corvus + supermines 2TC (with 2 player co-op starting cash, or $1100)

@silverdashhd644 Ай бұрын

I guess you can say that permaspike stat isn't going to be permanent

@goldenland4775 Ай бұрын

Ninja kiwi didnt like him

@Rohan_Spibo Ай бұрын

I feel like this video talks more about buffs than nerfs xP

@Time0ut Ай бұрын

0:02 I don't wanna be mr obvious but I don't think that's a monkey Hell who knows maybe there's a monkey inside like that tack shooter pfp

@SPACESHIPKAN Ай бұрын

You forgot about the nerf where the base perma spactory could already pop leads without the top path

@Magikarpador Ай бұрын

smart spike used to put spikes as far forward?? why?? what was the logic for that

@willchangehandlelater Ай бұрын

dumb spikes

@retrohanska4441 Ай бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the arrival of bosses quite big factor in the later nerfs? I remember people doing some crazy things with them to instantly delete the bosses. It seemed like mandatory strategy if you wanted to compete for best times.

@alt2137pl Ай бұрын

VTSG nerfs since release ☠💀

@Kitten479 Ай бұрын

I want it back to the way it was but just make it more expensive than mega mines and buff the t4

@m4rcyonstation93 Ай бұрын

I think it suits its role better to be on the cheaper side, considering it's the spactory path that is best suited for a supportive role (ie: alongside other DPS towers, instead of the main DPS option) also, we already have two expensive DPS spike factory paths

@jezevecmartin6122 Ай бұрын

Great video

@omgryannn Ай бұрын

i blame jajajosh

@AltraHapi Ай бұрын

Someone should make a mod to give the permaspike ALL the stats that it had on release

@qwertyman506 29 күн бұрын

Interesting how one of the most BUFFED towers of all time is another spike factory upgrade: Super Mines

@aguyontheinternet-n8p Ай бұрын

the permaspike really is the only tower that is still OP after the 10 quintillionth nerf

@liamskill9924 Ай бұрын

RIP 2018 Perma spike

@rkymtnrsx Ай бұрын

RIP Perma spike

@TheRavenOfDestiny Ай бұрын

My controversial take about the PermaSpike is that they should actually revert to the original version of it, but they should just increase the original base price by six times, and I think that would be fair. Honestly speaking, the middle path spike tower is really good and the perma spike being where it is and the final version of the top path being where it is prevents people from ever being curious to see just how good the spike spewer really is in the middle path tier 5.

@davidburke4101 Ай бұрын

That would just make the permaspike completely irrelevant. Once a tower is more expensive than about 50K, it becomes nearly unviable to ever use it. 75k is the point where no matter how good a tower is it just isn't worth using unless you're on an easy map with a purpose built strategy to get it. And even for the super expensive towers, they're completely outclassed by paragons and the TSG. All this would do is just make it a terrible free play tower, because the spike mines would still outclass it.

@Magikarpador Ай бұрын

Unusable in chimps

@LoominousShroominous Ай бұрын

So… you think they should fully unnerf it and make it cost 132,000? Wtf

@dakotacornish6616 Ай бұрын

Never let bro cook again legit that would make it more expeinsive then the ray of doom dont get me wrong pre nerf perma is strong but nowhere near the raw power of a ray of doom or a mad nor dose its power outclass something like a perma brew or the ultra boost

@m4rcyonstation93 Ай бұрын

I think it suits it better to be on the cheaper side due to its role as a supportive addon to DPS that relies on having other DPS towers that can do a lot of damage We already have two expensive DPS spike factory paths, no need to have three

@SergioRamos-iv6qw Күн бұрын

permaspike every update: it's nerf or .

@Kitten479 Ай бұрын

Its odd how they were like instead of upping the permaspike price by a ton like they did with super mines but decided to nerf the hell out of it. 1: Make it cost 100k 2:Make it do way less damage to the boss/just ban the crosspath if its such an issue in bosses. Not like thats stopping spike storm spam for better times which sucks if your on mobile because we cant just do that without the phone going nuclear

@rotem6033 Ай бұрын

1.0 Perma Spike was wild💀

@hugoplayz1234-p1d Ай бұрын

Permaspike after the 1000000000 nerf: 🙃🙃🙃🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

@meinman7591 Ай бұрын

it's only recieved 12, 2 of which were reverted, 1 was a technical consequence of the revertation, and 3 were the crosspath itself, as im x1x and x2x, being nerfed. Pspike itself has only truly been nerfed 6 times. Gerry got 16 by version 32.2, and he was released in 31.0

@sunbimo7 Ай бұрын

I remember back in the day this thing was OP asf it was soo strong that it can solo bloonarius but now its good but heavily nerfed

@golt8588 Ай бұрын

yeah no stonks true

@rainbow_vader Ай бұрын

"I think it's in a pretty good spot" What, up in monkey heaven? 😂

@LewisSmith-ml6qn Ай бұрын

idk how legit this was but about 2 weeks ago someone did a no gerold 2mpc hashtag ouch p-spike and that is juts crazy imo i cant even blackboder dark castle

@Polxzaw Ай бұрын

To blackborder Black Castle, try using Commander Brickel with 2-0-5 sub commander and small army of 2-0-3, 0-1-4 glue, 1-3-0 alchemist and perma spikes. I have been struggling to do it for a long time, but this has worked for me

@LewisSmith-ml6qn Ай бұрын

@@Polxzaw I've beaten the map actually today but I didn't black border and died on 98 with a druid and Quincy plus glaive lord it was quite interesting but 98 killed me on the first try i then beat the rest 1st try though

@Polxzaw Ай бұрын

@@LewisSmith-ml6qn nice strat! I don't think I ever used it. Quincy is one of the best heroes for that map, but I was always too lazy to do the micro, so I just used 2 darts and a sub

@Polxzaw Ай бұрын

@@LewisSmith-ml6qn I remember getting far with Gwendolyn, it's also a good hero for that map, but I always had the most succes with Brickel

@changrcaterham5784 Ай бұрын

On release super mines and perma spike could have switched costs and perma spike would have still been better

@meinman7591 Ай бұрын

funny that you say that, because you can't possibly be even more wrong! In all the 44 times BTD6 has been updated, Pspike has been nerfed exactly... 12 times. 3 of which weren't even Pspike nerfs, they were an x1x and 2 x2x nerfs, and 3 of the nerfs were a result of when NK tried to make Pspike high damage low pierce then reverted it (it technically got 2 pierce nerfs going to and technically got 1 damage nerfs reverting) so in total, Pspike has gotten anout 6 nerfs, no name the versions of eachc nerf: version 2 nerfed pierce and attack speed, version 12 nerfed how long spikes lasted, max round duration, and price, so 5 so far, then version 23 had x1x and x2x nerfs, version 36 and 38 were when nk made pspike high damage low pierce and reverted it, though in 38 they also made it attack slower, so 6 nerfs excluding revertations, and finally, version 44 nerfed x2x again, not a direct nerf. Stop the damn coping acting like this tower gets nerfed every other update. Tack Zone literally has more nerfs. In version 13 it got a price increase, in version 23 it got range nerfs on x05, 015, and 025, aswell as less pierce on x05, you can percieve this as either 2 or 4 nerfs, so 3 or 5, version 25 made it deal sharp damage, 4 or 6, version 33 it lost 1 bloon damage, 5 or 7 nerfs, and in ver 38 it got less pierce on both crosspaths, so either 6 or 9 nerfs. Then there's the actual most nerfed tower in the game: Geraldo. In 31.2 he got -1 damage on every level, 5 total nerfs since he gains damage 5 times. Already he's been nerfed almost as much as Pspike before an entire version. 32.0 he got TEN different nerfs to items cost etc, and another one was ment to be implimented in this version, but it wasn't implimented until version 32.2, so 16 nerfs in a single version. In 1 update he's been nerfed more than the "constantly nerfed" Pspike. In 33.0 Gerry got a rejuv nerf btw, I'm not countimg bug fixes or whem paragon totems got more expensive as nerfs, and I am counting his infinite refresh at level 20 on release as a bug. Version 34 he got more expensive and stones didn't last as long, 19 nerfs in 3 consecutive updates. Version 35 he finally got a break, then in version 36 he got nerfed pickles, nail replenish amount, and fertilizer duration nerf, though due to decreasing the rounds for nail replenishment, it's actually a buff so only 2 real nerfs this update, still 21 nerfs so far Version 39 made his pre and post level 15 sharpening stone no longer stack. It's not counted as a bug so 22 nerfs so far Version 41 made him cost more MM to obtain, though I am not counting this, removed level 15+ sharpening stone's extra damage, killing a lot or his synergies, made him more expensive to place, made gerry's fire more expensive, and made NFT cheaper (this is a nerf, it is really bad for farming) so 26 nerfs he's recieved Ver 42 made him unlockee at a later level... I am not counting this. Version 43 made NFT even cheaper, made hero's cape restock even longer, made fertilizer weaker, made level 13+ shooty deal 1 less damage, nerfed pre level 15 fire, removed the first pickles upgrade and nerfed the second, so 7 nerfs this update and 33 total And version 44 made Idol last less time, made first and first upgrade invisibilitt potion last less time, nerfed glue restock, made hero's cape pricier, made upgraded shooty turret do less damage again, just killed level 18 genie, for a total of 40 separate nerfs, none of which were undone. And if you want to go by how many uodates nerfed towers, Pspike has 4 if you don't count when x2x and x1x got nerfed, and if also count the reverted one, if you do count the reverted updatr and the x2x and x1x nerf updates, it's still only 6 updates. Compared to Gerry's 11, 9 if you don't count "XX.X" updates. Pspike isn't even close to the most nerfed tower. Cut the cope.

@superwoop8330 Ай бұрын

this guy writes a full essay to prove his point and then proceeds to right “cut the cope” at the end 🤡🤡

@meinman7591 Ай бұрын

I write full essays because I find it fun to do. also, *write. Yes I am nerd emoji too also also, that's an Ad Hominem.

@masayukiphiaihara3296 Ай бұрын

Was it better than mines?

@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies Ай бұрын

Super mines used to maybe be barely worth like 50K in the past, even though it has always been stupidly expensive.

@onemsizbirvarlk5318 13 күн бұрын

so you're telling me permaspike's spikes aren't permanent-

@BloonHero666 Ай бұрын

Thumbnail: Nerf after nerf Me, a Geometry Dash player: **Base After Base missing ground spike intensifies**

@abdijabarkhalif Ай бұрын

spike paragon better have real permenam= spikes

@BirdGod Ай бұрын

Funny how despite being so much worse than it used to be, it's still the strongest tier 5/dps tower in the game 😂

@head_snapss7587 Ай бұрын

hilariously it has always had the weakest DPS. It just holds 300x its DPS in one burst.

@troll_486 Ай бұрын

2-0-5 team

@Jesus-yo8if Ай бұрын

😢

@LoominousShroominous Ай бұрын

Yall need to calm down. You guys are acting like the perma spike is fucking unusable and the worst tower ever. Chill As he said, it’s in a good spot now. Not broken, not bad. And it’s still an above average tower. Calm the F down.

@meinman7591 Ай бұрын

have an extra fact I'm forcing down everyone's throats: if you exclude reverted nerfs and the consequencial technically nerf from reverting it (15 back to 10 damage) aswell as when x1x and x2x were nerfed, aka indirect nerfs, Pspike only recieved 6 total. And if you don't exclude those, it's 12. By version 32.2, Gerry, a hero who was released in version 31.0, already got 16 nerfs. Lmao.