MELTDOWN: Should Man United REPLACE Ten Hag With Tuchel?! | Monday Vibes

[@FootballDaily]

If Ten Hag leaves, who do you think should manage Man United next? 👇

[@FPL_worm]

Dougie or Michael

[@adrianveerasamy881]

Thomas Tuchel or Antonio Conte They will bring out the best of the squad we currently have before making changes. Both clear and direct. Not the most attacking football but competative.

[@TheJourney1982]

Tuchel best available option

[@ixoh7754]

Your mama

[@Hhammer]

It’s unfortunate that the boys are paid by Sky. So they can’t criticise the PGMOL

[@GIBBO4182]

3 cup finals in 2 years, and one of the highest win % ever for a Man Utd manager… Isn’t it about time Utd got rid of some of their underachieving players, before starting again with a new manager?

[@FoodyOozy]

totally agree

[@Prime1Wunna]

Yes on paper. But looking at the football this is the worst since moyes. The carabao final was won against teams from the epl and Newcastle. Fa cup got battered by city and freak win vs Liverpool but city are going to batter United again

[@egbukwuprince]

He bought Anthony and keeps playing an under performing Marcus, he deserves to be sacked.

[@tmoneytrev9798]

Would you trust Ten Haag to turn the ship around? What’s to say they bring in a bunch of players he wants and they don’t improve. Are they willing to take that risk? This team needs a complete rebuild from top to bottom. I don’t know if I want Ten Haag in charge of that

[@supermanblackedition]

right, you keep on looking at the stat sheets then. We can see what happened. It's funny how these same useless players were able to go 3-0 up?

[@knyclrk]

I completely sympathize with forest. I understand people think this isn’t the best way to handle it but the refereeing and var in particular has been truly embarrassing. Nothing worked so far why not take it up a level?

[@jacktroote8708]

Reasons to keep ETH- - 3 finals in 2 years - 1 trophy ( potential of 2) - highest win rate since SAF - led us to a final during the club and leagues worst ever injury Crisis resulting in 65 injuries as of writing. - have never had a manager bring in so much youth and controlling it so well. Managing minutes etc. - during year 2 they have had 35+ different back lines,ZERO LB due to being misled by the medical staff. - ole got 2 and half years..... ETH in 10 months achieved more then ole did in his whole tenure. One big thing for me is despite the system problems. The following players have had their best individual seasons under ETH: -Dalot -Rashford - shaw - maguire back -Awb - garnacho brought in -kobbie brought in I think the whole ETH narrative is genuinely baffling. I don't get how a manager can be blamed when you have players who's head just combust in the last 15 mins of a game. There has never ever ever been a manager who has been given as little leeway as ETH at united. Not even mentioning all the situations ETH has had to deal with.... Ronaldo, sancho, greenwood, Antony, garnacho tweets, rashford on the piss weekly.... The whole pile on has actually shocked me as a united fan. Personally thought us as a fan base could sit back and be fair and honest. And I personally don't think that has happened. Who do we think we are? 3 finals in 2 years during a 60 injuries and having 35+ backlines and could result in 2 trophies..... lol okay. Give him the sack because the players keep conceding penalties and goals late. Yes ETH has massive system issues. But we could play out best team for 60 mins vs wolves and they were not there. Admittedly he shouldn't need his best team to fix that. But with so many backlines and injuries and bedding in a new gk I don't understand what can possibly happen. Especially when nobody has done it and actually stayed the same or improve. Eddie howe is used as an example.... are you serious... they are 4 places lower then they were last season. And they still haven't had more individual injuries then united. Equally haven't had to replace the backline so much. Crazy crazy crazy this whole situation

[@crazedmonkey7703]

Is it that crazy when you consider the in game adjustments he makes, which have not been accretive in any capacity this season but damaging - the chnages yesterday after cov get a goal a prime example? starting this season with that 4-1-4-1 with mount/mctom rotating as advanced 8s with bruno and a single sitting midfielder was mental. And by all advanced metrics, this is certainly our worst defensive season post SAF and a lot of that can be attributed to ETH's structure with Onana the primary reason we're not sat in 10th in the league. And then you consider the transfer record (signing Antony for 100m and persisting with him over amad for one, Mount who clearly has little to no role to play given the two advanced 8s/10s just doesn't work). Casemiro another signing but would pin more so on the club and the lack of football infrastructure but the point still holds. You mention players having their best seasons but you couldn't hang your hat on any of those aforementioned players - all consistently inconsistent to varying degrees and that pattern has held true with eth. And then you consider the fractures in his man management with recent younger player social media activity reflecting discontent with his mgmt style (gana, amad etc and not to forget the unnecessary varane falling out mid season when we needed him). All the above points to change being needed in the dug out - we were able to hang our hat on rashford scoring 30 last season to paper over the cracks of that attack, but as demonstrated this season we've made little to nil progress in implementing any sort of steady state game plan.

[@jacktroote8708]

@crazedmonkey7703 to add... personally I think us leaving ETH to see his contract out. Saving us X amount of millions and then hoping for better options In the manager market is a better option. Also gives backroom staff a whole year to set up certain structures and get use to XYZ. Think it's a perfect scenario. And if you get to Jan and he is still shocking then prepare for 6 months for a new manager and players that guy wants to bring in or get out. But I can't believe people are going to see their 6th manager at this club whilst winning no major trophies. Anyone over 5 managers should just be sold

[@nellyb743]

I think you're sincerely overestimating his quality as a manager based on what he's done. If it wasn't for Rashfors having a purple patch last season we would've been lucky to finish 7th. Comment above me made many excellent points. Even with the players underperforming and in general not being good enough, his management of them, his tactics and his in-game adjustments have left a lot to be desired. He did well at Ajax, absolutely, in a much inferior league, in the biggest team in the country, with a lot of quality help and already well established support around him. He's not the man to go forward with this team, even if Berrarda+ Ashworth+ Wilcox all manage to do outstanding jobs. Edited to add - Also, to reply to the players you listed: AWB has been useless under EtH and has shown consistently that he's not good at anything but 1v1 defending. Maguire's best season was under Ole when we went to the EUROPA league final. Shaw was good last season but his best season was also under Ole when he was in contention for the best defender at the 2021 EUROs. EtH gets credit for introducing Mainoo and Garnacho and helping them develop, sure, and Dalot has been better under him than other managers, but that, plus Rashford having a purple patch season, isn't enough to give him enough credit in the players development department.

[@joshg.9121]

Very well said

[@kutimkut]

I don‘t think that Forest going public with their statement is ridiculous. Considering how many huge refereeing errors we all witnessed during this season (feels like the most ever) I think it‘s time for the clubs to voice this problem the PL is having. I don‘t think it‘s right how much protection officials are getting. You should be able to voice your opinion in public to finally change something about the lack of qualitiy in this league. Especially when the erros are as huge as in this case. Just as an example: You‘re living in a country where the police is constantly making wrong arrests or don‘t even arrest the right criminals. Wouldn‘t you as a society go out and protest? You would want to let the public know that something is going wrong. It‘s an extreme example but the concept is the same. And in the case of Forest, I think it‘s fair to say, that something obviously went wrong. The only issue I‘m having with the statement is mentioning that the ref is a Luton fan. I don‘t think thats the right way to adress the problem but other than that I think it‘s the right move for the club. It‘s not against the spirit of the game. It‘s actually the complete opposite. So yeah, excuse my little rant but I had to let it out. I’m not a Forest fan btw.

[@MagicalAces24]

I don't think it's that outrageous for Forrest to imply corruption. What's the alternative? That NO referee EVER (even unintentionally) let's unconscious bias effect their judgement? That's even more absurd in my opinion. Furthermore, Forrest are not saying the referee DID cheat, they are asking why PGMOL would even allow the chance of bias to exist by allowing someone who has a personal conflict of interest to officaite. Referees are way too protected from accusations of cheating. What decision would have to be so blatantly wrong for people to think there's something unfair going on? If you don't think 3 clear penalties passes that threshold, I don't know what will.

[@milesjones9641]

About time someone calls out the referees, they get away with jaw dropping poor decisions every week - good for Forest. Need more of that.

[@tylerbosworthdrums]

You should defo release this as a podcast on audio platforms

[@maxcarlsson8334]

Just listen on youtube?

[@tylerbosworthdrums]

@@maxcarlsson8334 not very useful when for example, driving

[@I-am-Ranb0]

@@tylerbosworthdrumsWhy not, just set it playing and put your phone in your pocket and it’s just like a podcast

[@FoodyOozy]

replacing this manager would be what we have done the last few seasons, so nothing would change. any manager will be in the same situation after a year or two if we keep these players

[@calummccann1724]

Obvious issues in the United dressing room, Rashford looking annoyed at Fernandes not cutting it back to him when he scored was certainly shocking from an neutral perspective

[@Randomaccount9470]

Who keeps picking them?

[@artiseating]

If a good offer comes for Rashford, I would sell in a heartbeat

[@testadalord01432]

@@artiseating Mbappé is going Madrid, PSG will pay whatever you ask for him so sell now

[@artiseating]

@@testadalord01432 exactly my thought

[@cathewo4]

I love how the story is not how Real Madrid got all the decisions going there way and more of no goal line tech in La liga 🤷‍♂️

[@karl7736]

While I don't think it really is corruption, the overall incompetence of the PGMOL and their Var refs is unbelievable. And while I get that there might be a question about how close Young was for the hand ball, his arm was making him bigger as he attempted to block a cross with his leg. It shouldn't be a card but it should be a penalty as he blocked an attack illegally but not deliberately.

[@basvanzoonen7687]

Ten hag is the best thing that has happened to man u in the past 5 years or so. Getting a new manager wont solve the problems. Getting a structure in place is what needs to happen. It took sir alex 4 seasons to get things going. I wont support them anymore if they fire ten hag just to hire Tuchel, a subpar coach at best.

[@dtaafe2857]

You won't support them anymore 😂 Just pick a different club huh, I've heard Man City are pretty good...

[@limpan9999]

When saka dived you talked about it but not when Vazquez does?

[@allisoncashlabi4583]

With Tuchel Man United only need 4 signings to compete. * Todibo (Nice) * Fofana (Monaco) * Ait Nouri (Wolves) * Zirkzee (Bologna)- proper false 9 Starting Eleven Back 3- Martinez, Todibo, Wan-bissaka Wing backs - Ait and Dalot Double Pivot- Fofana and Mainoo Front 3- Fernandes/Mount, Zirkzee and Gernacho/Antony Formation: 5.2.3

[@SimeonLeo-s9n]

Tebas claims getting goal-line technology is too expensive 🤣

[@offbrandsoup2579]

I’d love to see Luton stay up at the expense of Forrest

[@Ravenghost123]

They sing praises for Vasquez, but doesn't mention that he dived for a penalty!

[@alfiebeavon9472]

It’s more of the fact that they have not even checked any of the var desicions in the forest match for longer than 2 seconds it’s bewildering

[@krisandzee6825]

Yeah because replacing the manager has worked out so well in the future

[@JamesTimlin-hq7co]

Can not agree with the point made about Man United and Newcastles performance this year. Level on points in the league with United reaching the FA cup final, seems like a better season for Manchester United. I think a better comparison would be the job done by Agne at Spurs to get them top 4 with the loss of Kane

[@MultiRani10]

Regarding Lucas Vasquez, I was thinking exactly what is mentioned in the video during the game. At any other club he would be a legend, and I hope the Madridista's would also see it that way 10-20 years in the future

[@donsingh2871]

I was big De Zerbi but can just see him not being capable of managing a teamr like Manchester United struggling then getting sacked it's so important to get it right.

[@supreme_zeeyus]

With the evidence offered, this looks like corruption. That statement is fully justified, most football fans are backing it and it’s only pundits and other spokesmen that are condemning it

[@limpan9999]

Why do you guys touch on ”corruption” when nottingham talk about it but not the clear corruption winning Madrid another league title?

[@johnlofeu1598]

I remember the Watford vs Wolves semi-final what a day to be a Watford supporter! Thought there was another comeback on in the Man U match

[@carlosjimenez2568]

Tuchel?!?! He managed PSG and got sacked because of how difficult he was to work with. Imagine what these Man U players are going to do with someone like that

[@egbukwuprince]

The team needs a massive clear out, invest in youth players and get some seasoned professionals into the club, get rid of the likes of Maguire, Victor, AWB, Victor, Anthony, Anthony, Rashford, Scott, Amrabat … these players have been stinking up the club for 4 years now. Get rid off and start afresh. I forgot to add Varane and Casemiro.

[@Bickle121]

lol it was neymar, mbappe and the other clowns all a shambles to manage

[@gobomladikk5197]

Isn’t that what Man U need? A hard headed manager willing to cut the fat out of a club

[@pritamsaha5497]

Referees are human beings but there should be some consequences to these kind of issues. Sometimes these becomes more than errors. For Example the Chelsea City game, the Handball is clear from all angles and it might have cost Chelsea a Trophy.

[@eoincassidy8018]

Great video lads! Love all your videos and appreciate the grind you two out in! Wish you guys the best of the luck two talented, hardworking and smart people!

[@mrsswindon]

I would certainly replace ETH with someone if they were available and willing to come to us, like Xabi Alonso for example (never going to happen). On the other hand, i would rather stick with ETH over getting Tuchel.

[@jamesblake44]

I feel like you guys just say what sky tell you to say. The reffing in this league is so unbelievably bad that clubs are now convinced that corruption is prevalent. But Sky stands by them so we all have to get in line and never question or speak out against it? Screw that. I back forest.

[@nonnayoubuzinnes1669]

Amorim not going to Liverpool or it looks like he isn't, may mean Liverpool and MU are fighting over the same managers. Liverpool may look like a better prospect right now with CL football next season pretty much assured and a decent academy in place, but Michael Edwards returning is bad news. Him and Klopp don't get on which means all of the current coaches are unlikely to ever return. And it doesn't bode well that managers don't seem to want to work with him. Unfortunately I can see mid managers like Tuchel and Nagglesmann being in contention for those jobs, not great news for fans of either club.

[@edi2234]

Let me understand it, if a referee sees a foul has been committed but decides not to call it, then VAR doesn't deem that as '...a clear and obvious error...' ? Is that what these two dudes just said? Or is it for the particular incident they're talking about?

[@fugaziishime]

I think ETHs times up. But replacing him with tuchel would be like when spurs appointed conte post mourinho. Someone like Michel from Granada is perfect.

[@FootballDaily]

Interesting shout, but lack of super-club experience may count against him. Also not sure if City Group would allow it... 👀 [Michael]

[@fugaziishime]

@@FootballDaily a care taker manager someone eexperienced and of quality. Someone like Urs Fischer. 2 seasons.

[@FootballDaily]

@@fugaziishime 😂

[@mathopeelroysekgoka9750]

United dont need to change the manager, they need to get rid of the underachieving players.

[@branfu0775]

Bring back the spaceship for the love of god

[@Eddie_theEagle]

I’ve never been a Tuchel fan but the reality is he’s probably the most qualified candidate out of the ones mentioned. He’s won a CL with Chelsea and he’s won league titles in France and Germany and got to 2 CL finals. I’m actually warming to the idea of him coming to United and taking over from ETH if sacked as he will have the right tools in place to be successful - something which he has been everywhere he goes. He’s also a coach able to adapt to whatever is needed having played a variety of formations with different teams over the years. When you read up on him, there’s enough evidence to suggest he might just be the coach to come in and get it right with United.

[@vasisht2012]

Mate none of what you said really applies with the current Tuchel we see. If you think Ten Haag is rigid, try watching Bayern. His structure and play style is so rigid and lacks any sort of fluidity. If a team like Bayern can’t play the way he wants, I bet we’d be here in a year talking about how horrible his first season has been

[@Eddie_theEagle]

⁠@@vasisht2012 I get as football and tactics are evolving at such a fast rate these days, perhaps Tuchel is falling behind somewhat in the current climate but what a coach has achieved at previous clubs goes a long way on whether a new club wants to approach or not. United wouldn’t be interested in him had he not had previous success. I don’t watch enough Bayern games to know how good or bad they are tactically but having won the Bundesliga last season and currently 2nd to a team that have come out of nowhere to go unbeaten, I think the criticism of him is harsh. Also, from what I’ve read, Bayern seem to be a disaster off the pitch (Naglesmann being a victim as well). The DOF has been sacked along with the rest of the directors board. Of course, this is what we seem to have with ETH at United, All I’m saying is IF they sack him, Tuchel should definitely be considered.

[@vasisht2012]

@@Eddie_theEagle I get that sentiment. But considering the United fanbase (idk who you support really) and their over exaggerated love for flowing football, it’ll take less for them to turn on Tuchel. Considering he’s an ex Chelsea man, everything he does will be scrutinized and directly compared to his time at Chelsea and that would be a nightmare. But tbh, I don’t see much choice if we sack Ten Haag…I’d rather have Tuchel than Potter or Southgate 😵

[@Eddie_theEagle]

@@vasisht2012 I’m a United fan and tbh I agree that the comparisons with his time at Chelsea will be a negative. That will be on the fan base to not do that though which I get is easier said than done, particularly with some fans who will have already made their minds up if he’s appointed. But maybe the right thing is to stick with ETH although I understand why some fans say it’s unforgivable what he’s done to us this season as we’ve gone backwards as a team.

[@kaans695]

Van Dijk -> Van Ewijk Not "Van Ewik"

[@benitojayadas1876]

Why are we even discussing tuchel for man utd we are again shifting our playing style again and not to mention tuchels playing style is something that i dont want to be anywhere close by ....

[@sevi7301]

To state that 2025 is going to be when the transformation fully takes place and saying the 24/25 is not going to be that transformative and at the same time wanting eth to be replaced makes no sense. If next season is anyway a transition season there is no argument why you would not continue with eth and see if you actually can progress with him in a season where he can build his squad up more and hopefully have less injuries.

[@kianbazad1186]

33:31 Mike, you say it’s inconclusive, yet if it was Real Madrid who had the ball over like like Barca it would’ve been given

[@Bobby_sprinkles]

Why are we talking about small clubs like Man United.... ;)

[@James-tf8vg]

ETH should be long gone.

[@joshmooney977]

Clattenburg 3 years ago lol the guys been retired since like 2014 dougs 😂

[@iiNeedSkins]

He takes off a 19 year old when 3-0 up against a championship team for a £90 million player and gets criticised for it?

[@2723cadd]

But it was all the glazers fault! They picked the line up, they picked the formation, they took the training sessions, they told the team to concede 3 goals and to top it all off that leaky roof at old Trafford really played its part during the last 20 minutes at Wembley.

[@johndo6870]

Leopards don’t change their spots. This group of utd players will continue to let down all the managers and the fans. Fact

[@limpan9999]

Liverpool shafted by refs😂😂

[@Ravenghost123]

Ok, so the clubs have no right to say anything about bad refereeing? So, what do you suggest should be done when refs make obvious errors and then defend the errors afterwards. Howard Webb standing in a studio and defending obvious errors Michael Oliver makes like not giving a red card to Kovacic against Arsenal and not giving a penalty to Liverpool when Doku kicked McAllister in the chest is just stupid. For you to say that people should just accept these "mistakes" when they are not only mistakes, is just sad.

[@basvanzoonen7687]

Getting tuchel to go to united is useless. He has already killed bayern this season. United is rising from the death rn. Why get a coach that will kill all momentum. Tuchel could be a wolverhampton coach at best.

[@dominicvandenburg3460]

Why didn’t you talk about palace 5 West Ham 2 was a corker

[@donsingh2871]

I want Xavi Alonso if not Zidane who'd command respect and bring back the feel good factor if the club could get Ancelotti give him a fresh challenge SAF sort of appointment father figure there are options it's just difficult to get them but no to Tuchel no to Southgate or any managers who you can see failing a mile off

[@victorezekiel9770]

1st to comment and like, Tuchel will be perfect for UTD more better than ETH

[@MultiRani10]

Absolutely not, the wish version of Jürgen Klopp

[@mitchellclark-romeijnsen1659]

If anyones ever watched ajax or the strotypical dutch football in general having ywo left footers in defense is major to how the team plays and is crucial to how ten hag has always set up his teams. ATM there is not a single peft footer in uniteds defence hence yhe horrible build up and awkwardness on the wings. I understand if you blame ten hag for poor market decisions as no manager should be given that much full control but i think with luke shaw martinez and even to some extent malacia united do alooooot better this season. Its why last season there were actual one twos and good movement of play. And idk how no one else is mentioning this but marcus thrives woth luke shaw there dynamic is great but without him he struggles. I want to keep ten hag but maybe thats just some dutch bias but i think everyone is too reactionary changing coaches every two years isnt gonna change shit

[@fpl_djhammer]

ngl I think Rashford needs to go obviously it's not a fix-all solution, but I think he represents a lot of what United are and have been doing wrong his attitude onfield is a bit poor, always plays quite selfishly (slows the ball down to take 4 dribbles, only to lose possession) and is being paid like he is a superstar he's also been around for ages, periods of United's history that exposed the incredible incompetency by the club

[@fpl_djhammer]

btw I'm not even a United fan

[@dtaafe2857]

Go where? You'd need to find a buyer first, and he's under contract for another 4 seasons? At 300k a week. Nobody would touch that with a barge pole. Not even PSG.

[@johnwatermelon442]

Oh, Mikey... I was really hopeful that you would not fall for this ETH out bs. I'm so sad to see how you're also corrupted😢

[@ahmedsaidschannel7073]

Thomas tuchel wont work with what sir jim wants to build thomas is gonna want power and call the shots thats not what sir jim wants maybe look why he was sacked from chelsea psg and so before throwing his name in the ring

[@shadmansalam6039]

On Sky's payroll. Disappointed by this. Absolutely crap discussion. Not every club had united's injury crisis. So tuchel is better? The guy who failed at all big clubs?! Go home!

[@-VForValhalla-]

Absolutely not! They should replace him with Southgate!

[@rizzles1985]

United, it's so blatantly obvious the issues. The players!

[@limpan9999]

Get this mcubs guy out of here hes so boring

[@CapnFishSticks.]

Are you joking

[@JamesTimlin-hq7co]

Can not agree with the point made about Man United and Newcastles performance this year. Level on points in the league with United reaching the FA cup final, seems like a better season for Manchester United. I think a better comparison would be the job done by Agne at Spurs to get them top 4 without Kane

[@JamesTimlin-hq7co]

Can not agree with the point made about Man United and Newcastles performance this year. Level on points in the league with United reaching the FA cup final, seems like a better season for Manchester United. I think a better comparison would be the job done by Agne at Spurs to get them top 4 without Kane.

[@JamesTimlin-hq7co]

Can not agree with the point made about Man United and Newcastles performance this year. Level on points in the league with United reaching the FA cup final, seems like a better season for Manchester United. I think a better comparison would be the job done by Agne at Spurs to get them top 4 without Kane.

[@JamesTimlin-hq7co]

Can not agree with the point made about Man United and Newcastles performance this year. Level on points in the league with United reaching the FA cup final, seems like a better season for Manchester United. I think a better comparison would be the job done by Agne at Spurs to get them top 4 without Kane.

[@uizsl]

Spot on mate. Newcastle also have not had anywhere near the level of injuries as United. They said it themselves: maguire was the only fit cb this game. No lisandro, varane barely fit, lindelof injured, malacia disappeared, wan bissaka in and out, Shaw injured. Playing with makeshift back lines. Mainoo has been a revelation but ten Haag was practically forced to play him because there wasn’t anyone else. Same situation when he’s played kambawala, Diallo and forson.

[@JFriisN]

In terms of results/circumstances I agree, but in terms of the football identity and quality Newcastle have looked much better on the eyes. This is also reflected in the goal difference which shows how United have been scraping wins and are 'lucky' to be that high in the table, given the performances.

[@a_l325]

​​​@@uizsldays lost through injury for Newcastle- 1658, the most days lost by any club in the prem by 146 days not even including Sandro Tonali's ban. Days lost through injury for Manchester United: 1306, the 7th most. If you man utd fans stopped being so self centered you'd see that other clubs have had WORSE injuries and don't use it as an excuse anywhere near as much you. All I was hearing earlier in the season before their uptick in form was how Newcastle hasn't performed well enough and that they shouldn't be using their injuries as an excuse, Manchester United should be given the same treatment.

[@uizsl]

@@a_l325yeah you clearly don’t watch football, just amateur punditry like this video. It’s not about days missed, it’s about who’s missing. For the most part, Newcastle have been able to replace their injured players. United have had backlines with 1 center back at times. We’ve HAD to play youth at times because we have literally nobody else. Take the time to actually watch the sport before you run your uneducated mouth.