Flying across Europe with a BROKEN engine! Smartwings 1125

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Can you imagine having an engine failure over mainland Europe and then decide to disregard several well functioning airports in order to fly Single-engine for over 2 hours to reach your original destination?
That is exactly what happened on Smartwings flight 1125 on the 22nd of August 2019.
The final report has just been released and it is a bombshell of information about the decision making and handling by the involved pilots.
Today I will start my new series about known and unknown accidents and incidents that have happened and my view on what has been going on. Enjoy!!
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@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
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@JanCiger
@JanCiger 4 жыл бұрын
Mentour, this isn't the first questionable incident of this captain. He was involved in an in-flight intercept in 2007 over Switzerland after loss of coms - apparently with the FO outside of cockpit for 20 minutes or so and the captain not responding to the radio calls. The press was saying he fell asleep, while alone in the cockpit ... He is a fairly legendary figure in aerobatics - former world champion, he was pretty much a household name in Czechoslovakia in the 1980s.
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mentour! Can you please link to that translated report?
@1bottlejackdaniels
@1bottlejackdaniels 4 жыл бұрын
this crew reminds me of Hapag-Lloyd flight 3378 ...Petter, you should do a video about this Hapag-Lloyd flight = an absolute mess!
@Rekuzan
@Rekuzan 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think you're being WAY too nice about all of this as most of us would like to have a few choice words with said Captain... Seriously, I don't think Peter has a single mean bone is his body! So by all means dude, let your fan-base handle the deleted expletives on your behalf in the comments section below! *deep breath* FFFFFFFFFFFF- *feed cuts to static*
@MrPomelo555
@MrPomelo555 4 жыл бұрын
What is a « discord » server? And why the name « Mentour » It’s like « the tour of the men » inverted. 🙃
@victorpalamar8769
@victorpalamar8769 4 жыл бұрын
This episode reminds me of a story: A 747 is flying from New York to London when the #4 engine shut down, so the Captain made this announcement to the passengers "This is your Captain speaking, one of the engines just flamed out so its going to add 30 minutes to the flight to London, sorry for the inconvenience". An hour goes by and #1 engine shuts down so he makes another announcement "This is the Captain speaking, another engine just flamed out so it will take another hour to reach London". In half an hour more #2 engine flames out so the Captain makes another announcement "This is the Captain speaking, #1 engine just died so the flight to London will take another 45 minutes". So a passenger says to the Flight Attendant "If the the last engine flames out we'll be up here all day!"
@philkarn5661
@philkarn5661 2 жыл бұрын
I first heard that joke back in the early 1980s, and I'm not even a pilot!
@kevinheard8364
@kevinheard8364 2 жыл бұрын
Said in humor, "Thanks, Victor Borge"
@wiredforstereo
@wiredforstereo 2 жыл бұрын
That makes me wonder how many engines a 747 could fly with and what would be the outcomes. I would imagine flying on only 1 or 4 would be pretty hard. IIRC, they used the 747 to test one of the newer bigger engines, one of the big Trents or GEs, and they were able to fly the plane with only that engine operating, but it was inboard.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 2 жыл бұрын
@@wiredforstereo In Take-Off, there's a speed at which they can NO LONGER "reject" taking off... SO for safety reasons Jets have to be at least capable of not only flight on 1 of 4, but Full-on Take-Off as well. It's certainly not recommended, so pilot's have extra training to handle the technical adjustments, BUT it IS imminently do-able. According to Kelsey over on "74 Gear" (channel on YT) Flying even on an outboard 1 of 4 is mostly inefficient as hell, and makes landing less than optimal... BUT Commercial Pilots already "Land in the Crab" regularly, so probably only a marginal addition to risk. ;o)
@wiredforstereo
@wiredforstereo 2 жыл бұрын
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I don't think you have proven your case. And I don't think that's accurate. They may be able to fly on one engine, but they most certainly cannot take off on one. If planes have a long roll out on all engines loaded, as we have seen, it beggars belief that one quarter of the power could pull it off when they already use three quarters of the runway. That math just doesn't work. I've also seen it tried on a simulator.
@dantearaujo9703
@dantearaujo9703 4 жыл бұрын
Man, all I ever wanted is someone trully professional talking about official reports, ty very very much
@bizzzzzzle
@bizzzzzzle 4 жыл бұрын
Dante Araujo then go to blancorilo channel
@trimusketara1
@trimusketara1 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo
@johnh10000
@johnh10000 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was good too. Well done Peter,
@mbritton1984
@mbritton1984 3 жыл бұрын
No one does it better!
@behindthen0thing525
@behindthen0thing525 3 жыл бұрын
You being sarcastic
@jirizlamal69
@jirizlamal69 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video. We in the Czech Republic are calling this airline "Smrtwings". In Czech, "smrt" = "death".
@jakubjandourek2822
@jakubjandourek2822 Жыл бұрын
Smartwings - the second biggest shame of our aviation.
@EeeEee-bm5gx
@EeeEee-bm5gx Жыл бұрын
​@@jakubjandourek2822I sense a joke. Which is the first biggest shame of the Czech aviation?
@jakubjandourek2822
@jakubjandourek2822 Жыл бұрын
@@EeeEee-bm5gx Liquidation of ČSA. (Czech - formerly Czechoslovak - Airlines)
@LeifNelandDk
@LeifNelandDk 3 жыл бұрын
Basically the report said "If you think this was ok, you must be crazy"
@LeifNelandDk
@LeifNelandDk 2 жыл бұрын
@Vegan Zombie I beg to differ. His actions and answers did show severe misjudgements, questioning his sanity was a very reasonable thing to do. The report didn't *actually* call him crazy, it was my interpretation of reading between the lines.
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 2 жыл бұрын
I recall hearing of a US-citizen in Germany that was caught driving so drunk that the German authorities could not believe he was fully mentally capable. The idea that someone-even while that drunk-could make such a dangerous decision was so egregious to them, that they were like, surely, there must be something wrong here. I think after evaluation it was informed to them that… frustratingly, this was not such a grossly atypical situation in the US.
@brucewilliamsstudio4932
@brucewilliamsstudio4932 Жыл бұрын
I once flew for a company where the Chief Pilot was much like this guy..... wrote the manuals but they didn't apply to him. Go figure....
@RyNiuu
@RyNiuu Жыл бұрын
Or just the way aviation community roasts their members in official manner.
@getik123
@getik123 Жыл бұрын
@@LeifNelandDk Safety recommendations 1. ÚZPLN recommends to Smartwings, as on the basis of the flight a PIC's (pilot in command) continuing belief that its final decision-making process has been carried out "correctly", perform a psychological examination at the ÚLZ at the PIC. It's basically saying "If this pilot think he was doing correct during the incident, then the pilot should be examined psychologically" Tone is pretty set here.
@stephenbland7461
@stephenbland7461 2 жыл бұрын
I remember my CRM training….in real life trying to persuade a senior colleague who may think that they know it all and are never wrong, that they may be mistaken, especially if it concerns a documented procedure, is a tricky thing to pull off without landing yourself in disciplinary for insubordination. And I was just cabin crew.
@toastercatx
@toastercatx Жыл бұрын
Well, this certainly explains the number of CRM related accidents if employees have to choose between the certainty of disciplinary action and the possibility of a fatal crash. It should be international law that raising concerns about the safety of the flight cannot result in disciplinary action.
@alexorjerry
@alexorjerry 11 ай бұрын
Yep I had this. My SCCM disagreed about a passenger having a seizure and attempted CPR on the pax, I had to physically pull her off the pax as I saw her lanyard and her friends saying it’s a seizure. I was stood down from duty for 3 weeks and had a disciplinary after that. SCCM carried on flying with no actions against her for violating first aid procedures. I no longer work for that airline
@thorlancaster5641
@thorlancaster5641 10 ай бұрын
@@alexorjerry Was the airline United by any chance?
@alexorjerry
@alexorjerry 10 ай бұрын
@@thorlancaster5641 Nah I’m not US based
@rachmunshine9474
@rachmunshine9474 6 ай бұрын
@@toastercatx yeah like a whistleblower type thing. It should be anonymous.
@andrewdavidson7656
@andrewdavidson7656 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when i first heard about this incident and was astounded by the sheer negligence of the pilot ignoring numerous safety procedures. The fact that he believed his experience justified making numerous safety violations tells me that his ego is out of control and he needs to have his wings pulled immediately. While CRM allows the first officer to challenge the captain, i can understand why he would be hesitant to stop pushing even though he should have continued.
@marioghioneto1275
@marioghioneto1275 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I think if I was in that situation, pretty much knowing that the captain would continue the flight no matter what, I would prefer just to shut up and try not to anger the captain even more, to avoid any possible fuckups
@TheHobade
@TheHobade 4 жыл бұрын
There is no CRM in smart wings. Trust me, I did 4 years as a contractor. The f.o. Covered his ass as best he could
@xiro6
@xiro6 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe we need some kind of "recycling recertificate exams" every X(lot of them) flight hours,to avoid excess of "self-confidence". just like when a pilot didnt flight enough hours,but to avoid this kind of behaviours,that i suspect its waaay more common than we think ,just happens that not enough airplanes brake down/ATCs fail or Airports have failures to expose how much arrogance has grown on some pilots,just like in with the rest of the world.The issue is a commercial jet is flown by a manual,not by pilot experience,if i can explain what i want to say.
@o2filmisfun
@o2filmisfun 3 жыл бұрын
Negligence !!!! No, sheer Arrogance!
@o2filmisfun
@o2filmisfun 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the kind if Arrogant attitude that gets people killed. That man should never be allowed near any aircraft let alone a passenger airliner! Shame there appears to be no pilot passenger to threaten to broadcast his failures and force him to follow the procedures correctly!
@ReghuKunnath
@ReghuKunnath 2 жыл бұрын
I am a biomedical/electronics engineer. Aviation engineering is just one of my interests. I stumbled into your series and since then been addicted. It’s what I watch when I need a break or when I workout at the gym. Love it and I have learned so much. Thank you! Please keep doing this good work.
@ambientcoot8715
@ambientcoot8715 4 жыл бұрын
Seems a little shady he “forgot” to perserve the cockpit flight recorder
@hilpowuxing8273
@hilpowuxing8273 4 жыл бұрын
woooopsie! I just accidentally just forgot to preserve evidence that shows that I am a dumbass and incompetant pilot, My bad sorry
@gullygully69
@gullygully69 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video this. I didn’t know this was a requirement till now
@matsv201
@matsv201 4 жыл бұрын
He also forgot he could get priority in Vienna.. he forgot to recalculate the fuel.... He forgot a lot of things that would not make the flight possible.
@jasoncentore1830
@jasoncentore1830 4 жыл бұрын
He didn't want them to know what was on it
@marcusbjerknes8049
@marcusbjerknes8049 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this tells it all. The captain should never be allowed inside a cockpit of a commercial aircraft again.
@copsan
@copsan 3 жыл бұрын
This is something that I have always wondered is why has the data recording of the black box voice recorder not improved and records vastly longer records - data storage had vastly improved over the last few years
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 3 жыл бұрын
The same reason the space shuttle's main computers were using ancient magnet core memory. By the time it is decided by the authorities, then the new device is designed, tested, flight certified, and produced, the plane will probably be nearly retired from service. So in all probability it will be all but too late, so just don't even think about doing it. And if you do, you will be laughed at as by the time it's ready, it will be antiquated junk.
@realulli
@realulli 3 жыл бұрын
That stuff gets replaced when it breaks. Since it's designed not to do that no matter what, it doesn't. You have cargo planes flying that are nearly 30 years old, they have 30 years old flight recorders. When planes are built, they contain tech certified for that model. If you have a model that has been in production for a while, even that might need outdated by the time it's built, since that certification is expensive and is only re-done when it's absolutely necessary. So, if you have an incident today, you might be dealing with a 10 year old plane, flying with 20 years old tech...
@neolexiousneolexian6079
@neolexiousneolexian6079 3 жыл бұрын
@@realulli Okay? So keep the legally mandated tape CVR, but add a $100 Android phone as a company-level policy, then.
@realulli
@realulli 3 жыл бұрын
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 I'm not an aviation industry professional. I'm just an interested geek. I've read that quite a few modern planes already today record *MUCH* longer loops, just not in the armored *DR cases. It's already built into the control systems that they use (the one I read about keeps 30 hours worth of comprehensive flight data (not sure if that includes Cockpit voice data). (Also, the FDRs and CVRs that are currently installed have been digital solid state for quite a few years by now. They're really just reluctant to replace one of these devices, since it's not cheap.)
@wolfen210959
@wolfen210959 3 жыл бұрын
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 Sadly, despite all of the advances over the past decade with smartphones, I doubt there is one in existance that could survive and/or retain it's data, when subject to an airplane crashing. To put it bluntly, how many smartphones survive even being dropped from your hand accidentally, you invariably have to replace most, if not all of it, and especially you lose all or most of the data. The sad truth is, as has been stated earlier, the CVR and FDR systems they use are usually able to withstand pretty much anything, and it would probably be prohibitively expensive to design something newer that has the same survivability. In some cases though, and especially in this case, no matter how much time the CVR records, certain people will be aware of how to "overwrite" any incriminating evidence. It seems clear to me that, for what ever reason, the Captain was determined that the plane was only ever going to land in Prague.
@atifwqs
@atifwqs Жыл бұрын
Totally agreed on your final remarks about such arrogant/incompetent pilots. We have had some recent accidents of our national airline due to huge mistakes, unprofessionalism or call it blunders of such pilots, which you have covered in your vlogs. Thanks to EU for banning this airline in their airspace, the major push I can see to bring our house in order.
@mihaelavbelj8542
@mihaelavbelj8542 Жыл бұрын
If you are talking about PIA. I agree with you 100%. Sad to see such a loss of life to a totally incompetent/arrogant pilot.
@juststeve5542
@juststeve5542 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the Captain really wanted to go to Prague. Maybe he had a hot date? Not tripping the CVR sounds really really dodgy...
@Hans-gb4mv
@Hans-gb4mv 4 жыл бұрын
Not tripping the CVR sounds like he knew how much trouble he would be in.
@carschmn
@carschmn 4 жыл бұрын
Destroying evidence
@Trevor_Austin
@Trevor_Austin 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Evans - In this case maybe but generally so many things are going on you often forget to pull the c/b.
@Bellboy40
@Bellboy40 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hans-gb4mv He was in it up to his eyebrows anyway when they got through investigating his actions.
@jimmyj5557
@jimmyj5557 4 жыл бұрын
Captain is old school. He is like F... the rules. I know my shit.
@creektraveler3470
@creektraveler3470 4 жыл бұрын
What is most amazing is that the Captain’s license wasn’t pulled immediately even before the report was released. He’s a danger to himself and others.
@jdrissel
@jdrissel 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and he probably shouldn't be driving a car either. I wonder if they followed up on that.
@markharris8929
@markharris8929 4 жыл бұрын
It was and he got it back. No doubt the F/O will be harassed out of the company too.
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 3 жыл бұрын
@@jdrissel If the red brake light comes on while he’s driving (indicating a fault in part of the brake system) he will continue to destination even if it’s thousands of miles away.
@jdrissel
@jdrissel 2 жыл бұрын
@Chelsea Chelsea I think he either had a TIA or a mini stroke or hypoglycemia or some other medical problem that was not detected. The sustained, persistent failure of judgement shown here could easily lead to things like driving without headlights at night, driving too fast for the weather, failure to turn on wipers or defogger as needed, or any number of dangerous behaviors. Remember that cars kill a lot more often than planes.
@brianwmsn
@brianwmsn 4 жыл бұрын
This report went into the amount of detail that it did for a very practical reason. If they had reported "just the facts" of the flight, this Captain would have been able to manage any other potential fallout by virtue of his position. No CVR tape (as he knew the continuing to Prague would cover the previous tape and wipe out any recorded discussion), so it would be his word against anyone else's. His decision to continue was a perfectly rational decision for a Director of Flight Operations. Due to the huge conflict of interests, I think the DFO should never "fly the line". The pilots of each flight should make all decisions based on safety, and cost considerations should never enter their minds. Edit: Decisions should be based on the safest completion of the flight. Anything can be considered, but don't compromise safety to save a few pounds/dollars/crowns/shekels, etc. -- or to save face!
@sarowie
@sarowie 3 жыл бұрын
I hope that the authorities take deleting evidence as worse then anything that could be proven with the evidence. Note that overwriting the CVR it self in such a case is a criminal offense. Yeah, it does not prove any misbehavior in the air - but a pilot unable to follow the most basic of instructions while on the ground after landing proves the inabilty to follow basic instructions, SOPs, legal requirments etc. in a *low workload, non critical situation*, proving inability to operate under higher workload or with higher stakes.
@EliAviator
@EliAviator 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously, money was the main concern. Landing ASAP would mean sending the maintenance crew, with a new engine to Greece, with all the consequent expenses. Unfortunately most of the low cost companies struggling with a budget in the recent years.
@АлексНиков-л2с
@АлексНиков-л2с 4 жыл бұрын
not only low-cost - almost all airlines
@az.................
@az................. 4 жыл бұрын
Surely you could ferry the plane back to Prague on one engine.
@TheGhostGuitars
@TheGhostGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
This is false economy thinking. Keep on doing that. Sure you might get away with it a few times or more, BUT sooner or later something serious WILL happen. Then the airline would stand to loose way more money than what was saved or made. More than a few airlines have folded because of this.
@АлексНиков-л2с
@АлексНиков-л2с 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGhostGuitars you dont understand how it works - it`s REAL economy thinking - noone cares in long term - leasing & insurance cover this - they need money right now - thats it
@fyrman9092
@fyrman9092 4 жыл бұрын
@@az................. ferry flight is another set of rules in the US. There is limited crew on board and NO passengers.
@pianogal853
@pianogal853 Жыл бұрын
I've been watching several of these videos and glad to see where they began. I'm an aircraft mechanic instructor and like to use crash videos as examples of what could happen. This channel is my favorite for that.
@RJ9mech
@RJ9mech Жыл бұрын
One of my early lead mechanics did this as well, especially for young mechanics who didn't seem to get the gravity of our job. This guy gets it--for a pilot! 😁 By the way, I like your channel name PianoGal. I find it quite amusing to play Chopin for colleagues and/or customer mechanics after a long day of breaking pin extractors!
@fhs4137
@fhs4137 4 жыл бұрын
That's one hell of a reality check on your ego, when your self-evaluation of your skill level gets authorities to order a psychological examination on you.
@joebrown1382
@joebrown1382 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you say that pilots like this should be weeded out. Flying is a serious business.
@rongaul8169
@rongaul8169 4 жыл бұрын
Given the current economic situation, good time to let him go. Lots of other pilots looking to fly.
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 4 жыл бұрын
I find it shocking in 2020 we can still only record 2 hours from the cockpit! They should be able to log every word ever said in the cockpit for the entire life of the airplane! My 4 year old phone can record a conversation longer than that...
@lanaereinertsen9981
@lanaereinertsen9981 3 жыл бұрын
EASA will be mandating a 25 hour flight recorder starting in 2022.
@awnutz
@awnutz 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t Google tell them?
@AviationNut
@AviationNut 3 жыл бұрын
There is still planes flying that only have a 30 minute cvr.
@benghazi4216
@benghazi4216 3 жыл бұрын
"My 4 year old phone can record a conversation longer than that..." And then surviving an impact at a thousand km/h? I don't believe you, only a Nokia 3310 would survive that
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
@@benghazi4216 That is not that big of deal. If they can keep moving electromechanical parts safe in the current system then shock proofing some non volatile solid state storage would be really easy. Probably significantly more reliable than the current system. It is genuinely pathetic we still use this antique shit in airplanes when we obviously have more than enough technology to do better - at almost no cost. They constantly replace avionics and all their other equipment like GPS and even engines, but we still use 1970s data recorders. That is just stupid! We can install WIFI in old planes and not a damn modern voice recorder??
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Ron White's routine talking about a flight from Flagstaff, AZ (FLG) to Phoenix, AZ (PHX), when one of the engines cut out. "The guy next to me is *losing his mind*. I guess he must have had something to "live for". He says, "Hey man, if one of the engines goes out, how far will the other one take us?" I look at him. "All the way to the scene of the crash! Which is pretty lucky, because that's where we're headed! I bet we beat the paramedics by a good half hour! We're haulin' ass!"
@sheldoniusRex
@sheldoniusRex 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched that gig at least ten times. His delivery is so good on that segment I still bust a gut every time even though I've seen it enough to repeat it verbatim.
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 3 жыл бұрын
Now imaging running a version of this over over a plane's PA - by the captain - it 'may' bring up the passenger angst somewhat.
@ThunderChunky101
@ThunderChunky101 3 жыл бұрын
Lelz
@JC-gw3yo
@JC-gw3yo 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch...but Ron nailed it
@illimanisnow
@illimanisnow 2 жыл бұрын
This incident is somehow reminiscent of the tragic accident of LaMia 2933 , where almost a complete Brazilian football team, along with other passengers, perished in Colombia. The pilot was also part owner of the airline, and his decision not to call emergency was based on economic reasons, and his attempts to cover up the fact that he didn’t have enough fuel to make it to his destination without a costly stopover.
@simpleminded1uk
@simpleminded1uk 4 жыл бұрын
About twelve years ago I was on a KLM flight from Amsterdam to Athens where a fellow passenger decided that it was a good idea to pull out the blind, the inner window and the surround, and then start kicking at the flat for all he was worth. It was about a week after the Air France flight from Brazil had been lost, and anxiety was high. Along with a lady paramedic from St Paul MN, I incapacitated him and we restrained him for the rest of the flight. I recieved a nice letter from KLM, but was surprised it was not in the news. Are incidents like this more common than we might expect? I wonder if there was a report generated about the incident.
@johnk5763
@johnk5763 4 жыл бұрын
The incident described here would have never been known about, but for a remark by a Budapest traffic controller which made it to an aviation website which investigated. Without that Smartwings would have "get away with it' and we would be none the wiser. Interestingly, Hapag Lloyd 3378 (2000) ended with a court conviction for the pilot who pressed on with a non-retracted gear and crash-landed, out of fuel.
@matthewrodd3985
@matthewrodd3985 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Petter. I'm really liking your videos, very informative and it's quite educational. Although not a pilot and have no ambitions to be one I am really loving your content. I work in a Cardiac Operating theatre as a Clinical Perfusion Scientist and I wish my colleagues would adopt the same approach to the incidents that happen in an operating theatre that happen in aviation accidents.... The fact that all incidents in aviation are investigated whether near misses ot actual accidents is a credit to your industry, healthcare could learn a lot...There is very little simulation scenario done in healthcare
@alexdhall
@alexdhall 4 күн бұрын
Finally got to the video where this all this began. Amazing how far you've come in these videos over four years Petter (and team)!
@Ojisan642
@Ojisan642 4 жыл бұрын
What a crazy story. 99.99% of the time I am impressed with how flight crews handle emergencies. Sending this guy for psych review seems like a good idea.
@gordslater
@gordslater 4 жыл бұрын
Investigator: "you're nuts" Pilot: "yeah! they are massive arent they?" Investigator: "hmm, that's not what I meant"
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, so that's what cockpit CRM is.
@MIXTAB1
@MIXTAB1 9 ай бұрын
There’s a horrific accident that happened to Dana air very similar to this story. the captains actions on that flight were eerily similar to this story. Unfortunately for the dana air passengers and crew members as well as several third party people on the ground, it did not end as well as this outcome was…. basically, the captain from Dana air had the same issue, lost an engine enroute and decided to continue the flight rather than diverting or returning to their departure airport. They continue to cruise along, then began the decent per usual. When suddenly in a miserable stroke of bad luck (and horrible maintenance practices) with runway in sight mere miles away, the remaining engine failed…… With not enough altitude to glide into the airport, the crew found themselves in a situation where they knew they weren’t going to make it and were going to have to put the plane down somewhere for an emergency landing. Unfortunately for everyone on board and the poor 30/40 plus third party casualties, the air port was completely surrounded by an urban environment. Nothing but housing, and buildings below…. Literally nowhere to put the plane… no highways, no rivers, no fields… Just city…no chance to even attempt a landing. So of course the plane continued to glide gradually falling 50-100 feet per second until it eventually crashed into an apartment complex kxlling all on board as well as 30/40 people on the ground. Just awful✌️💯 if the second engine had remained working another minute or two before failing, they could have glided to at least within the airport perimeter. So damn close 😔 bottom line is, pilots like these have no business flying. You lose an engine, there is NO OTHER CHOICE to make than to divert to the nearest suitable airport. NO DEBATE ✌️💯
@antoniobuccheri5159
@antoniobuccheri5159 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope I'll never be flown by such a pilot... it's terrifying to think that someone like that is flying passengers and it could have happened to me too
@jonandersonmd7994
@jonandersonmd7994 3 жыл бұрын
So, just what are "the odds" ???
@mawmawvee
@mawmawvee 2 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video and I am glad there is someone like you who can look at things objectively and relay it to us in a way we can understand. I'm so happy I found your videos. Thank you for taking the time to help us better understand flight.
@SHADO3DMC
@SHADO3DMC 4 жыл бұрын
Started watching Kelsey, Great Guy, He had you on his 74 crew, now, I'm watching you also..
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Kelsey is truly a great guy
@missyroades4533
@missyroades4533 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@suestoons
@suestoons 2 жыл бұрын
I have been reading accident reports for forty years. I have *never* seen or heard of a pilot being recommended for a psych eval. Astonishing!
@jemand8462
@jemand8462 4 жыл бұрын
It reminds me so much of doctors. The experienced old ones sometimes think they know everything and don'T have to care about new information or guidelines and the younger ones (mostly women) don't have the courage to question him or criticize.
@vandijk1698
@vandijk1698 3 жыл бұрын
Yes all older doctors are sexist bastards! You go girl! Thanks for the input...
@jemand8462
@jemand8462 3 жыл бұрын
@@vandijk1698 You got that wrong, first, I'm a guy and second I didn't even say doctors or old doctors are sexist. Sexism is a word that has lost its meaning nowadays anyway. You could say I'm sexist against young female doctors, but I'm not because I'm a young male doctor and what I'm saying is basically empirical evidence. Young female doctors NEVER criticize, they only complain to male doctors hoping those will criticize the doctors.
@Raznah
@Raznah 2 жыл бұрын
I have been watching videos on this channel non stop for a few days now. Had to take a moment and leave a comment. I just want to say thank you for these reports and your entire work on these videos.
@tommyrjensen
@tommyrjensen 4 жыл бұрын
My mother is nearly 95 and she has to be taken care of in a nursing home. She does not see or hear much, and she has a hard time to understand what is happening around her. The airline in question should place more people like her in the left seats of their passenger plane flight decks. She would never give any commands to endanger the safety of the aircraft, and she would never initiate a cover-up to fool the investigation of an incident or accident. EDIT: yeah, and I don't mean left seat in the passenger cabin either, I mean row 0 at the pointy end.
@rogerhuber3133
@rogerhuber3133 4 жыл бұрын
I'm retired after 40 years as a commercial A/C Inspector. I have read many accident/incident reports as well and agree with you, however I think knowing only what you have reported this Captain has some serious issues and needed this verdict. His personal experience and knowledge of the particular A/C doesn't over ride the QRH and he made many serious poor judgement calls here. He's a dangerous man to be at the yoke.
@wilko871
@wilko871 Жыл бұрын
I just want to say that I'm sorry I don't like all your videos, I forget, and I never comment, but I love you! I've spent so many hours obsessing about all of this, I live right next to Gatwick, and you've helped so much with my fear of flying. Aviation! 🤘
@Halli50
@Halli50 4 жыл бұрын
Being a "company-minded" PIC obviously has it's pitfalls. When the company bottom line becomes more important than the safety of any given flight, the company should cease operations - it is no longer a safe operator! This can sometimes become quite an insidious problem, as this case study proves.
@MIXTAB1
@MIXTAB1 3 жыл бұрын
Alaska 261 comes to mind… that crash sticks with me more then others
@rogerwilco2
@rogerwilco2 4 жыл бұрын
This guy should not be allowed to fly again, or make decision on others flying.
@davidsinclair7439
@davidsinclair7439 4 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia claims he was demoted from being head of flight operations to just being a pilot, which is insanity.
@PfizerRN_USNavyReserveRN
@PfizerRN_USNavyReserveRN 3 жыл бұрын
​@@davidsinclair7439 He should have been demoted to "Unlicensed"
@JR-playlists
@JR-playlists 3 жыл бұрын
26:40 What Mentor says next, applies directly to the GOP white supremacists that are in our US police forces and military
@PfizerRN_USNavyReserveRN
@PfizerRN_USNavyReserveRN 3 жыл бұрын
@@JR-playlists Maybe just GOP white supremacists in general would cover it better? Don't just limit your scope of a good idea to the GOP white supremacists in the military and in law enforcement.
@wilsjane
@wilsjane 3 жыл бұрын
@@PfizerRN_USNavyReserveRN Now that Donald Trump has been demoted as president, he should take up a career as a pilot. I could imagine him slumped on the captains seat with the stick in one hand and a checklist in the other calling it fake news. Meanwhile, he would be bullying the first officer and telling him to tune the radio channels to allow him to tweet on Twitter. Reality, perhaps not.......But it would make a great comedy sketch, 🤣
@lucygreen9243
@lucygreen9243 4 жыл бұрын
That's so scary. Experienced cockpit crew totally disregarding established protocols when dealing with such an emergency. Hope to God there aren't many such idiots still at large
@xvlp
@xvlp 4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate these in-depth incident dives! They're helping me learn how to be a better pilot, and is a great supplement to the Air Crash Investigation series that I love too :) Keep doing them!
@mikerodent7390
@mikerodent7390 3 жыл бұрын
I just did a search on this (2021-05-25): this is, incredibly, the most recent piece of info about this man that I can find: "As of July 2020 the airline had demoted captain Pavel Veselý from his post as chief pilot in charge of flight operations. ***He continues to pilot Smartwings flights***." [emphasis mine] What is described here is clearly (in my opinion) criminal behaviour. Veselý should (in my opinion) have been charged with criminal, reckless endangerment on landing at Prague and should now be serving a 15-year sentence. There is something very wrong with the regulation of the aircraft industry currently, at least in Czechia (and presumably Czechia is pretty similar to everywhere else). SmartWings continues to operate. I just sent a message through their website asking if Pavel Veselý was still piloting (as any kind of flight crew) on 25/5/2021. If I get a reply I'll update this post...!
@kenet88
@kenet88 2 жыл бұрын
He is still piloting (cpt.) for Smartwings. He was cleared of reckless endangerement charges by the prosecutor in October 2021.
@ajhawley-thomas8679
@ajhawley-thomas8679 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenet88 and all I can think k of as a reply is "WOW" and maybe "why???"
@kenet88
@kenet88 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajhawley-thomas8679 Cpt. Veselý was actually the one who made the "expert" report for the police basically stating no one was in any real danger. Police just took it at face value. Why? It might be connected to the why the heck is he still piloting for Smartwings question. From this point onwards it is my speculation. He might know some dirt on the co-owners of Smartwings who are very well connected. They probably just asked someone in charge not to dig too much. And for the police it was the smoothest course of action. Just say "expert" analysis states everything is peachy and go with it. Case closed.
@ckhound1
@ckhound1 4 жыл бұрын
When you were talking about their descent and how they essentially could have hit another plane as they are separated by only a small margin. It reminded me of back in March when I was flying back from Canada. It was extremely dark and stormy and just out of nowhere these bright lights you can see under the plane as another jet intersected us. I went back after the trip and looked it up and they were 1k or so below us. It was insane. As the clouds bounced the lighting around. Really insane how close things seem.
@lifetimedreamvideos985
@lifetimedreamvideos985 4 жыл бұрын
When I started flying for a major US airline in 1986, most of the planes, domestically, anyway, were still using VOR and VORTAC navigation. It worked fine, but was a bit sloppy except close to the navigation VOR or VORTAC. In the 1990s, many planes began to use DME position updating. I began noticing that more and more airplanes on the same airway were DIRECTLY above or below us. That meant that every altitude crossing (climb or descent) was a potential head on collision. This was simply due to astoundingly accurate navigation systems. When I mean accurate, I mean that two opposite direction airplanes at the same altitude would actually collide cockpit to cockpit. It was that accurate. In the late 1990s, I began flying mostly to South America. This accurate vertical stacking became even more apparent due to mostly night flying, where every airplane flying in the opposite direction was visible. I began to fly the majority of my trips with a 1 to 2 mile offset to the right. That guaranteed that I wouldn't hit another airplane if there was a mistake made regarding an aircraft changing altitude. I never saw, nor heard of another crew doing this. A few years later, there was a business jet that collided with an airliner at high altitude over Brazil. I'm pretty certain that this extremely accurate navigation was the reason, coupled with a pilot or ATC error regarding altitude change. I'm surprised that ICAO didn't think to institute flying offsets worldwide to make all airways into two lane divided highways. They could even make it a 4 lane highway, designating the outer lanes for climbs or descents: 2L - 1L - CTR - 1R - 2R. Center would be empty. 1L & 1R for level flying. 2L & 2R would then be reserved for climbs and descents. It might sound complicated, but if it was in common use, it would be recognized as increasing safety and simple to implement. With the 1000' separation now used (formerly 2,000 feet above transition), lateral separation would increase safety. Anyone in a position to pass this along to the right people, please do so. I retired 17 years ago, but I still pay attention to the events in aviation.
@sparky6086
@sparky6086 4 жыл бұрын
@@lifetimedreamvideos985 Excellent idea.
@pianomanhere
@pianomanhere 2 жыл бұрын
It's about time for this level of candor in business communication. Bravo. 👏 👏
@nathansmith1085
@nathansmith1085 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to LOVE this series! Air Crash Investigations/Mayday Mayday is one of my favorite things to watch. I would also LOVE to hear your opinion on MH370, I know a lot of that will be speculation, but your highly experienced speculation would be extremely interesting!
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
I will try to stay away from speculation as much as possible. This series will be more about incidents where there are lessons to be learned
@johnnyziemer5561
@johnnyziemer5561 Жыл бұрын
I always learn a lot from your reviews, keep up the good work.
@SaltwaterC
@SaltwaterC 4 жыл бұрын
And here I was hoping that the lack of CRM died with van Zanten. Watched this after the Qantas 32 video which made this one sound even worse.
@steveegbert7429
@steveegbert7429 4 жыл бұрын
I pray that my life is never in the hands of such an arrogant excuse for a pilot. On the other hand, I would get on board any flight with Petter in the cockpit without a second thought!
@OGchaibhai48
@OGchaibhai48 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be allowed in the cockpit with him...! 😀😀😂
@steveegbert7429
@steveegbert7429 4 жыл бұрын
@@OGchaibhai48 😀😀😂 I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant, but just in case, I would get onboard as a passenger. Although, I would be thrilled to ride in the 3rd seat up front if there is one.
@j.q.higgins2245
@j.q.higgins2245 4 жыл бұрын
@@OGchaibhai48 Good one! 😋👍
@awnutz
@awnutz 3 жыл бұрын
And this is why you won’t get me on an airplane
@realulli
@realulli 3 жыл бұрын
By this time, if people could figure out which flights he was operating, he'd be only flying chock full planes, since people would elect to fly with him instead of anyone else...
@aviationworld8713
@aviationworld8713 Жыл бұрын
2 years later . This channel grew up healthy and successful . I watch your videos daily
@gerardomartinezoficial2091
@gerardomartinezoficial2091 4 жыл бұрын
Basically, the Captain has a wrong concept about what CRM means. He never discusses with his FO which actions they could’ve taken for passenger’s safety. So he flew for two hours a plane with a broken engine and never intend to land in a suitable airport wow like the report says it was insane.
@imthesquareroot6125
@imthesquareroot6125 3 жыл бұрын
Was the captain smuggling drugs? One of the few things I can think of as to why he would have done this.
@martintheiss4038
@martintheiss4038 3 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling this was an unprofessional answer to that situation. Plus, should the captain be aware the other engine could bust at some point as well?
@MsJubjubbird
@MsJubjubbird 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like he was having major ongoing problems elsewhere in his life and so he used his work to boost his ego
@ddichny
@ddichny 3 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced he had a hot date in Prague later that night and wasn't going to let a dead engine delay him from getting there for it.
@Wol747
@Wol747 2 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t heard of this incident until the video. As soon as you mentioned that the PIC was a senior management pilot I knew what the rest of the story would be. Seen it all before, and it’s summed up by the old saying “Do as I say, not as I do”. There seems to be a psychological trait amongst some people that makes them, once in a senior position, immune from the mistakes that the grunts are prone to make. I will say no more, but it’s something that regulatory authorities need to look into. It’s also true that the management workload these individuals have to assume is arguably in some cases incompatible with flight recency and experience.
@volkerblume238
@volkerblume238 4 жыл бұрын
It reminds me to the Hapag Loyd flight which landed in Vienna where the gear could not retract and run out of fuel. Looks very similar in the decision flow.
@ebutuoyssa
@ebutuoyssa Жыл бұрын
Incredible to follow your channel and see a recurring common thread that applies to all walks of life. Humility, crew cohesion, trust, and a willingness to be able to step back and reevaluate whether our personal biases may be leading to impending failure. Would it be possible to consider delving into Wildland Fire aerial incidents? We have had C-130 stress failure fatalities, mid-air collisions of SEATS (Single Engine Air Tankers), rotor wing incidents, etc. with little information regarding cause and correction. Your insights would truly be fascinating in this arena. As always- thank you for your and Mrs. Mentour Pilots’ flawless presentations and production.
@g1998k
@g1998k 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to hear of any incident (beyond Helios) where the cockpit crew was partially incapacitated and how this affected cabin crew, passengers and remaining pilots.
@YouTubRCE
@YouTubRCE Ай бұрын
Great Journey, Peter. As an old fashioned guy, I rather let old videos as they are. In fact I missed that intro. Kudos
@austingregg2144
@austingregg2144 4 жыл бұрын
You might consider reviewing the circumstances that lead to the tragic loss of Air France Flight 447.
@rickpolley4197
@rickpolley4197 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I just watched your episode on single engine for over 2 hours across Europe. It beggars belief that a senior pilot would contemplate such action, unless there was something really really important driving him. I personally would have searched his aircraft from top to bottom. I personally suspect that he had something very important to him aboard that dictated his decision not to land before home base. If I was Law Enforcement in Prague I would really look very closely at this person, especially his financial situation. This behavior really smells of serious unlawful behaviour, and not anything to be dismissed.
@StCreed
@StCreed 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm.... indeed.
@martinlanders6135
@martinlanders6135 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, a seriousl case of narcissism over safety there! I do hope there will be criminal charges for such blatant disregard of the rules.
@Rekuzan
@Rekuzan 4 жыл бұрын
"My headset wasn't working!" ....riiiiiiight & I'm Mary, Queen of Scots!
@benedictul
@benedictul 4 жыл бұрын
/bow Your Highness
@Rekuzan
@Rekuzan 4 жыл бұрын
@@benedictul I dub thee, 'Sir Doofus', Earl of Sammich!
@pierrekaninda894
@pierrekaninda894 Жыл бұрын
Good day Sir I am not a pilot but a medical doctor I enjoy yoir series On this one now I believe this case should hv been "a jurisprudence " one amd the attitude with the skill of the pilot be taken in consideration This may happen in the medical field There are emergency procedures to br performed in theatre within limit strict standards but what do you do when the same emergency happens out of a theatre room and far from medical facility For me that Capitain ..his cool and his calm showed he mastered the situatio Does now this mean that there never been a crash while pilots were following proper procedures Thank you and congratulations for your beautiful programs Merci beaucoup et Bravo Capitain Mentoir
@CristianKlein
@CristianKlein 4 жыл бұрын
Another question, that popped up in my head since you mentioned that "the report could not rule out that the captain wanted to save costs." How well are captains shielded from financials when making cockpit decisions? Do you, for example, know the cost of a diversion or a go-around? Are there know cases of captains "getting that promotion later" due to erring on the safe side? Do captains feel an obligation toward the bottom line of a company, perhaps to save their own job? Sorry if this is a complex or sensitive question. IIRC, the Tenerife Airport Disaster final report concluded that the captain might have felt pressured by financials.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
All very good and relevant questions but not enough time or space to elaborate on it here. All captains have to take economical decisions and we have to motivate all we do. When it comes to safety though the rule is VERY clear. If we think that safety is in doubt, we safeguard the passengers, crew and aircraft. That’s it.
@Trevor_Austin
@Trevor_Austin 4 жыл бұрын
Cristian Klein - Pilots are their own worst enemies. We are very goal orientated and also don’t want to let anybody down. We are also “helped” to make decisions with company communications such as a cancelled flight will cost $250,000, one passenger missing a connection costs $10,000, a late bag costs €100 and so on. However... good Ops. Controllers like Pieter Visser (real name) think safety and crew first, then legal, then company and then balance costs against passengers, normally siding with the passengers. Damn good question.
@ajthegreat2006
@ajthegreat2006 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting that they push you to think about cost to install subliminal pressure I guess. I’ve worked in two industries that have done the same. I won’t say which in such a public place incase I am identified but you would be astounded just as I am within your industry. I imagine the airline would face much higher costs for things like, an airplane falling out of the sky and killing a street of people. Or the compensation from killing 200 passengers, but I bet they don’t press those figures home, much like my experiences didn’t either. Sad when people running companies put profit before safety/people’s lives
@Pentium100MHz
@Pentium100MHz 4 жыл бұрын
@@ajthegreat2006 A plane crash would undoubtedly cost the airline much more than the emergency landing, however, it is unlikely that the second engine would fail and even if it did, it probably would have been possible to land the plane with minimal damage. Then you compare the guaranteed cost of, say, $100k vs a small chance of $100M and decide that the chance is small enough to just risk it. Obviously it is wrong to do this, but people still do it. People do that in a lot of circumstances, even something as simple as texting while driving - obviously crashing would be much more inconvenient than stopping to text, but what are the chances it would happen, right?
@starcraftguy1
@starcraftguy1 4 жыл бұрын
Have a look into LaMia Flight 2933. The captain was co-owner of the airline. Being a pilot and co-owner doesn't mix when the pilot worries about the companies financial situation. It played a major role in the decision to continue to destination even after fuel starvation, instead of diverting to a closer airport. The plane crashed with 71 of the 77 passengers/crew killed.
@Stu-f592
@Stu-f592 Жыл бұрын
I have watched several of your videos and really enjoy them, thanks so much.:)
@leonardkilburn3431
@leonardkilburn3431 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your analysis of AF-447. US, TV (60 Minutes) clearly indicated Pilot Error / Pilot Panic) and indicated that it could happen again.
@rubertostutzer3822
@rubertostutzer3822 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Brazil. I find your channel very, but very instructive, and want to watch it forever!
@springbok4015
@springbok4015 4 жыл бұрын
Yikes. That sounds a little fishy, doesn’t it. Not tripping the CVR on top of all the rest? Awesome coverage/video Mentour.
@christhirion9474
@christhirion9474 4 жыл бұрын
Naand springbok hoop julle no oraait daar is SA
@springbok4015
@springbok4015 4 жыл бұрын
@@christhirion9474 Ja, ons gaan ok, tye is sleg vir soveel mense op die oomblik, maar ons sal volhard. Dankie vriend
@christhirion9474
@christhirion9474 4 жыл бұрын
@@springbok4015 Sit nou al vir 6 maande in die DRC vas n charter gereel maar met ons regering kom niks gedoen nie hoop om Woensdag te vlieg.
@springbok4015
@springbok4015 4 жыл бұрын
@@christhirion9474 Nee man, ek voel vir jou. Is jou daar vir die UN vredesbewaring? Hoop jy kom binnekort weer in SA. My Afrikaans is slegte, ek is jammer.
@mcroudson
@mcroudson 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't commented before so I would just like to say I admire your clarity and professionalism in all your videos. It may have been mentioned in one of the nearly three thousand responses but it makes no sense to limit the cockpit voice recorder to two hours in these days of high-capacity SSDs and the probability of recording to the cloud which you have mentioned previously. What is the current situation with CVRs by the way?
@kenvaf9563
@kenvaf9563 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter. You are a great chief pilot. Do you think it is good to have a meeting before the take off and shake hands and not pull ranks on each other. Communication and being nice to each other in times of danger can save life. I enjoy your facial expressions on what this pilot is doing. When you have any small or bigger flying problems the best thing is to find closer landing strip and land, Not flying 2 hrs. And risk your life and others. Thank you.
@huma474
@huma474 2 жыл бұрын
cases like these where the CVR doesn't get properly pulled after an incident make me wonder if having a backup recorder that is digital and able to upload the previous flight when a plane is on the ground as a backup might be overall helpful - have the flight dump the voice logs from the latest flight on to a server somewhere that the company has to maintain for 1 - 6 months so that if its needed the conversations can be pulled up later. Storage capacity overall isn't that expensive and it would help as a digital backup to the CVR for non catastrophic incidents. The retention period could be even as short as a week or two on the company side - long enough that conversations could be accessed if needed and saved when they're lost from the CVR.
@davidbeckenbaugh9598
@davidbeckenbaugh9598 Жыл бұрын
I have always thought that the first officer should have transmitted over the radio "Mayday. Mayday. Mayday. This is Smartwings 1125. We are on single engine and the captain is incapacitated......".
@nicholaspjames
@nicholaspjames 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the really interesting videos and the excellent explanation of aviation engineering and cockpit management. Sorry if someone has already asked this, but I have a question about Cockpit Voice Recorders - with changes in technology it would now be possible to record hundreds of hours (or more) of multi channel cockpit audio rather than just the two hours which seems to be standard. This would surely avoid the not infrequent occurrence of CVR data loss through overwriting. Is there any reason that this change hasn’t happened?
@martinthompson7160
@martinthompson7160 3 жыл бұрын
This brings up the question of the fine balance between self confidence and egotism. For instance a young cocky pilot could well be as dangerous as a complacent, autocratic senior captain. I wonder how many incidents have been avoided without notice by the latter controlling the former type. I do find the psychological aspect fascinating and we must remember the risks to all in the air are controlled by the human psyche whether it be by manufacturers, trainers, air crew, maintainers, regulators and/or controllers. I would also like to mention the piece you did about 'could a non aviator land an airliner'. The critical part that would lead to success or failure in a case like this is that the person attempting to land the aircraft would need to be able to communicate with ATC without fail. i.e. not to leave the radio on transmit by mistake. There was a real case in England when a light aircraft was being used to give a non pilot a ride when the pilot died of a heart attack. The passenger, a fairly old guy, figured out how to use the radio and contacted ATC. They eventually got someone who knew the type and could talk him down, this guy new what had happened and proceeded to guide him describing where the controls etc were, but his description was given as from the left hand seat, not presuming the guy as a former passenger would be in the right hand seat. For example he said something like 'reach out your right hand and you will find the throttle control'. The guy whose life was at stake figured out what he meant but I thought the extra load put on the poor guy's mental capacity could easily have pushed him over the brink. As it was they kept him in the air for a long time trying to decide where to direct him to with crash facilities, a large runway etc he eventually had to land in the dark with a crosswind, not ideal for your first attempt at a landing without even seeing what it should look like let alone transposing the instructions to the other seat's perspective. Well worth a watch to someone of your interest, I'm not sure how you can find it but it was on British TV probably 20 years ago or so. I think it took place in north Lincolnshire. His successful landing was filmed by an RAF Sea king which had been sent to escort him. It was the psychological aspect of talking him down and the arrogance of the guy not presuming he would be in the right hand seat that prompted me to bring this up,
@flowartbyjimbruce4399
@flowartbyjimbruce4399 2 жыл бұрын
I will reiterate, EGO is a killer in aviation. You said it, he thought he was gods gift to aviation, Well done, love your videos. I am not a pilot, tried in the late '80s but after 3 or 4 lessons I realized I didn't have the temperament for it. Flying vector to vector was boring, I saw something over there, lets go look. Drove my instructor nuts. He finally told me I should give up the idea. So I did.
@martinzone8153
@martinzone8153 4 жыл бұрын
So can a captain be relieved from his duty by the FO?
@MsJubjubbird
@MsJubjubbird 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not. The captain would report him for insubordination. Maybe if there was a flight engineer and then there was two vs one it would be different
@danmurphy9173
@danmurphy9173 9 ай бұрын
This story and especially the final report highlights the dividing line between pilots who are extremely capable and comfortable with their airframes and scenarios who make some great decisions at times, and those pilots who check their egos at the door and use the data as a starting point for discussion, discretion, and subsequent action.
@richardpatrick32123
@richardpatrick32123 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this! I also love reading these reports but it’s great to have your explanation behind it. I’d love your input on Air Transat 236 - especially on whether the crew ought to have accepted much sooner that there really was a fuel leak. From my reading of the report, I really thought they ought to have realised earlier - but then I’m not a pilot!
@timothyodering6299
@timothyodering6299 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you, that this senior pilot did things that potentially endangered other traffic and his own flight and about his poor and aloof way of communicating with his first officer. He evidently wanted to continue for company economy reasons. My question is, was the financial aspect something he could have talked over comfortably with the first officer? And was this decision to carry on a safety concern IN ITSELF. ie. Separate from the fuel issue. He was clearly hiding his intention from ATC because they would have made diverting a priority and probably overridden his wishes. He clearly spent (2min) time thinking this through immediately on engine failure. The flight suddenly became a money loosing one instead of money earning. Airlines operate on tight competitive margins. He was senior management. I'm not defending him per sei. Its just that he is left hanging if he cannot discuss All aspects of the flight in real time with the FO and ATC or his company. BTW. I think his failure to pop the CVR cb was an obvious attempt at cover up. They would have crucified a senior man for that alone probably. I liked your coverage of this. No favourites here. It's appropriate I think. He put money ahead of safety. Timothy
@chrisrourke8404
@chrisrourke8404 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your videos and analysis. Am very late finding this one but have two thoughts… 1. It is amazing to see how far you have come since this first video in the series. Bravo! 2. Dude, that wallpaper. 🤦‍♂️
@vurplex3082
@vurplex3082 4 жыл бұрын
The airline's name doesn't help with this situation xD
@markiangooley
@markiangooley 4 жыл бұрын
The plane’s wings were smarting...
@thenasadude6878
@thenasadude6878 4 жыл бұрын
More like Smartasswings
@TheDeadfast
@TheDeadfast 4 жыл бұрын
The wings might be smart but I'm not sure the same can be said about the cockpit.
@amunak_
@amunak_ 4 жыл бұрын
It's even funnier in Czech (which is where this company is based): it sounds like SmrtWings. Smrt in Czech means death.
@Stettafire
@Stettafire 4 жыл бұрын
6:09 Excuse my ignorance. But I have a question. If say, a headset wasn't working, and maybe you could hear ATC, but not your FO/Captain, is there any rule or practical reason why you can't tap the other guy on the shoulder or something? I'm genuinely curious. Thank you.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
Not at all, you can both just remove the headset from one ear each and speak normally. That’s what I did during the first 5 years of my career.
@XM-qk5sh
@XM-qk5sh 4 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Thank you for all of your videos, I was a nervous flyer and your videos helped me overcome that. So much so that i was able to comfortably fly from the US to Europe three times.
@Hans-gb4mv
@Hans-gb4mv 4 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot I've always wondered: how noisy is it up front in comparison to the cabin?
@Stettafire
@Stettafire 4 жыл бұрын
@@Hans-gb4mv I'm curious of that too, actually.
@Stettafire
@Stettafire 4 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Thank you, that makes a lot of sense :)
@chaoszombie9995
@chaoszombie9995 Жыл бұрын
What I’m noticing with senior captains (the Tenerife disaster included) is that they think they can get away with everything because they are the senior most member of the airline
@esphilee
@esphilee 4 жыл бұрын
Current technology allow record of voice over days not hours, cheaply. Even putting few cameras all over the airplane that capture the entire exterior of the aircraft is possible, why it is not done?
@esphilee
@esphilee 4 жыл бұрын
Not only for flight record, also for the pilot to monitor the airplane.
@esphilee
@esphilee 4 жыл бұрын
jtg42n42q iuq3irqn, How hard can it be? To produce some super gopro, and wire the backup data into the existing casing of a FDR. The problem is not technology, the problem is we do not have more Elon Musk.
@rex8255
@rex8255 3 жыл бұрын
A video I'd luke to see is a discussion of how your deep-dives into these incidents (which I'm sure are far deeper than what males it on video) have affected your flying. Procedurally, mentaly, training wise. Like do you spend more time learning about the mechanical details of aircraft you fly? Do you push for more unusual situations in your simulator sessions? Things like that.
@jbreezy101
@jbreezy101 Жыл бұрын
I’d want to do the Hudson River landing every time
@Alexander-qz6px
@Alexander-qz6px 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to comment that I think this is still a compelling listen, even without all the fancy animation. This still gets you >80% of the way with much less editing hassle.
@southerncross86
@southerncross86 2 жыл бұрын
I have changed Netflix in my free time to your videos. They are fascinating.
@johnsrabe
@johnsrabe Ай бұрын
25:21 “I don’t have to follow the rules.” Yikes. Reminds me of Bud Holland, who crashed the B52 at Fairchild in 1994.
@RedwoodTheElf
@RedwoodTheElf 3 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to build a new CVR system that can record a full 8 hours.
@ajhawley-thomas8679
@ajhawley-thomas8679 2 жыл бұрын
Or perhaps some sort of secure cloud storage, then it's there FOREVER!!
@RedwoodTheElf
@RedwoodTheElf 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajhawley-thomas8679 The problem with "Cloud" storage is you need to have internet access. Often, planes are out of range of a good internet connection. Though having the FDC and CVR periodically upload their data whenever a good signal is available wouldn't be a bad design.
@praharadar
@praharadar 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for covering this incident!
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
I hope it won’t disappoint
@daltonmojica
@daltonmojica 4 жыл бұрын
Mentour Pilot Your discussion and analyses were rightfully nuanced with your experience, yet were expectedly objective as well. Very professional delivery for sure.
@praharadar
@praharadar 4 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot I just watched the full video. Once again thank you so much for covering this incident. Not only does it feel absolutely fantastic to request a video and get it a week later (yes I'm fully aware that it wasn't the deciding factor lol) but it once again brings up the importance of safety and reputation of safety, which should both always preclude any economic factors. Literally no matter the cost. Boeing should have learned this when their negligence caused the murder of 350 people, and it's shocking to see an incident like this in an European airline. I must admit I did not read the whole report, merely the media reporting of it, but nonetheless it made me think of the level of safety at this airline. I am unfortunately not in a position to be able to support you financially as a Patron but if in the future you need any help translating from Czech to English I would be honored if you reached out. One question I have is: during CRM training, is there typically any training or explanation that, in case they are not happy about the handling of a safety problem with the flight, the junior pilot is empowered to (potentially forcefully) assume command of the flight? I know CRM emphasizes consensual decision making in the cockpit, but what is the proper way for a junior pilot to handle a situation where a consensus about a critical safety aspect cannot be achieved?
@dr.ijeziedesbois
@dr.ijeziedesbois 2 жыл бұрын
Your video production has come a long way! However, you’re content is as superb as ever.
@kdmq
@kdmq 3 жыл бұрын
First Officer: "We lost an engine" Captain: *J U S T S E N D I T*
@thrustvectoring8120
@thrustvectoring8120 3 жыл бұрын
Pilot: I handled it well. Investigator: Are you insane? literally
@noelcasley4512
@noelcasley4512 2 жыл бұрын
I just want to say thank you for your videos, I find them very very interesting and the way you put everything across is also really helpful useful and again very interesting, Thank you for doing what your doing. Thanks
@tumultuoustenets1228
@tumultuoustenets1228 Жыл бұрын
It's hard to claim ignorance of the rules when you're the dude that wrote the rule book 😂
@usmanrasheed196
@usmanrasheed196 8 ай бұрын
This happens when there is a businessman in the cockpit rather than an aviator
@rauldempaire5330
@rauldempaire5330 4 жыл бұрын
The new Slogan :" Smartwings... not so smart pilots!"...
@francesko3968
@francesko3968 4 жыл бұрын
Dont blame others who are well pilots just because of one...
@pneptun
@pneptun 2 жыл бұрын
i think that's actually quite common, that people who set the rules (write the manuals) feel they're somehow exempt from them...
@EZ_shop
@EZ_shop 3 жыл бұрын
Unbeliavable! You are correct, these type of pilots do not belong in an airliner. Ciao, Marco.
@tionghwitan846
@tionghwitan846 Ай бұрын
The captain chose violence in the first place, so naturally the final report would have to be at least as violent as the captain chose
@Ceodayone
@Ceodayone 2 жыл бұрын
I binge watch your shows and then get on flights and be so scared now to fly lol
@PeanOutside
@PeanOutside 2 жыл бұрын
“No victim, no crime. That flight was on time” -The Captain
@psychologicalprojectionist
@psychologicalprojectionist 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I think the mild rebuke of the FO for not being assertive enough could maybe be reviewed in light of the fact that the final report could not convince the captain that he had endangered the aircraft and other aircraft in the same area. He clearly evaluated the captain and avoided a lot of wasted energy. Clearly the captain’s 1000’s of hours of flight without a fatal accident has skewed the captain’s sense of risk. That is what he really means when he talks about his experience - i.e. dumb luck.
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