Tragedy of Air India Flight 1344: What REALLY Caused it?

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@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
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@The_Original_forresttrump
@The_Original_forresttrump 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent detailed presentation and well worth the wait, what can an FO do if he observes the Captain to be “unfit” to continue flying the aircraft and the Captain refuses to relinquish controls? I’m assuming there is some company mandated procedures??? Thanks again for another great video.
@achalbhoir1359
@achalbhoir1359 3 жыл бұрын
There is big problem associated with ownership of this airline.... This airline was started by sir Jamsheji TATA, and his policies to run business was good enough to stop this type of accidents... Due to internal politics in India distroyed this airline culture.... Once its handed over to government due to laws made, air indias reputation etc etc got ruined
@therealcharliesix7126
@therealcharliesix7126 3 жыл бұрын
Wilco
@t5ruxlee210
@t5ruxlee210 3 жыл бұрын
Government owned Air India has now been "auctioned back" to descendants of the family the socialist government of the day originally stole it from. As to what caused the crash, government bureaucratic inertia and opportunistic political squabbling over land acquisition leading to unsafe sites for airports all played their parts.
@sahadsahu5267
@sahadsahu5267 3 жыл бұрын
I'm there at the time of crash
@ananya120995
@ananya120995 2 жыл бұрын
Being from India, I can confidently say this expectation of respecting (by not questioning) the hierarchy starts early in life. You are berated for questioning parents, teachers, etc. so much so that it becomes second nature to just accept the judgment of an authoritative figure. I really do feel bad for the FO in this case. thank you Petter for covering this tragedy with such empathy!
@lora4624
@lora4624 2 жыл бұрын
@SassySam ur doing a really good job parenting!
@DaemonetteLeilu19
@DaemonetteLeilu19 Жыл бұрын
I am only now learning my own personal boundaries from how unhealthy the power dynamic is from traditional households. I wish i had learned them sooner because they can cause a lot of harm
@africanhistory
@africanhistory Жыл бұрын
Sounds a little like Africa.
@muhammadwaqarsiddiqui6731
@muhammadwaqarsiddiqui6731 Жыл бұрын
Same case for Airblue crashed into Margala Mountains back in 2010. Captain humiliating First Officer
@TheApp9
@TheApp9 Жыл бұрын
This is not always a bad thing. In Germany we have many migrants which are do not thinking much about Germans. So it happens really nearly daily that an elderly person asks eg for quit smoking in the train, and gets cursed at and really extremely frequently gets severely beaten or stabbed. This is a huge problem in German cities. That bad that newspapers and police don’t show since 2017 any migrant background.
@ilnebibob
@ilnebibob 2 жыл бұрын
Despite the terrible accident 169 people survived and 21 lost their lives, thanks to the wonderful people who volunteered with whatever vehicle they had to take the injured to the hospitals. We the people of Kerala will never forget that dark rainy day because this was the second tragedy to have struck that day. 70 people had lost their lives in a landslide at Pettimudi earlier the same day.
@billwynne27
@billwynne27 2 жыл бұрын
I AN SO SORRY TO HEAR OF YOUR LOSES, I PRAY YOU WILL GROW STRONGER😇😇
@suedenym5827
@suedenym5827 2 жыл бұрын
Rip to the souls lost
@duckydude20
@duckydude20 Жыл бұрын
i didn't knew... i don't know where i was at that moment. kerala also suffered from flood the same year, if i remember correctly. covid times...
@idothings6685
@idothings6685 Жыл бұрын
But did they all smell like curry and run 7/11s. DIRKA DIRKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!
@johnson3820
@johnson3820 Жыл бұрын
Yes.. It was a horrific day for us.. Two tragedies in a few hours gap.. 😢
@julietalpha11
@julietalpha11 Жыл бұрын
RIP first officer 👮Akil Sharma. Can't get over the fact that he couldn't see his new born son. Rest in peace dear friend.
@xyxxyz243
@xyxxyz243 Жыл бұрын
How is his wife doing now😢
@Vicus_of_Utrecht
@Vicus_of_Utrecht 10 ай бұрын
😔
@chetan_naik
@chetan_naik 8 ай бұрын
🥺
@HaggisMuncher-69-420
@HaggisMuncher-69-420 6 ай бұрын
@@xyxxyz243 Hopefully she learned to use a toilet instead of the street.
@SunayanaSB1998
@SunayanaSB1998 4 ай бұрын
😢
@keepers7768
@keepers7768 3 жыл бұрын
Every single analysis where there is loss of life, Mentour Pilot states the number of lives lost and pauses - to let that sink in - demonstrating the gravity of the loss. I like that despite, huge numbers of videos - he does not get de sensitized and neither then does the viewer. He really does a good job with these. Explanations, cadence, non sensational, really great.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@mikehuff9793
@mikehuff9793 3 жыл бұрын
Amen! One life…one hundred lives. Same impact…same importance ❤️❤️❤️❤️ No need to sensationalize the situation to sell ad space. Principles are important
@gworfish
@gworfish 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I really appreciate that he just treats it as a proper sombre moment, and doesn't turn it into melodrama.
@carstenhilbert5472
@carstenhilbert5472 2 жыл бұрын
For me the loss of life statement was followed by a quite insensitive ad break.
@gworfish
@gworfish 2 жыл бұрын
@@carstenhilbert5472 Yeah, KZbin ads can really kill the mood.
@hamsterminator
@hamsterminator 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t help but feel particularly sorry for the first officer here. My airline has started encouraging the monitoring pilot to intervene in high pressure moments like this now, but thinking back to when I had 2k hours and sat with training captains, the instinct to take control is heavily suppressed by faith in the experience of the captain. Deciding to grab the controls off him might also result in an accident. It’s a lose lose situation.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 3 жыл бұрын
In this special case the FO had full situational awareness and offered again and again his assistence and help to the Captain - but the Captain not only never accepted this help - he flew the aircraft as if he would be a single pilot in the cockpit. This type of Captains seems to be from another time, a time before CRM was introduced. I wonder what would have happened if the FO would have done what the recommendations made it posthum his duty: to take over the control of the aircraft. But this will of course stay speculation. Personally I would not blame the FO. But this sort of Captain is outdated since a long time - latest since the Tenerife desaster back in 1977!
@GeneralJackRipper
@GeneralJackRipper 2 жыл бұрын
I had a great Flight Instructor when I did my Instrument Rating and he told me one very important thing. No matter what happens, do not let the other guy kill you.
@yohan622
@yohan622 2 жыл бұрын
I currently am a 2000 hour first officer and you can't help but think what you would do in these situations. I would love to believe that i would step in and intervene ... Just like the book teaches us ... And a lot of people would say so too. But when you're actually in that seat facing conditions they were having . Its hard to say what one would do.
@materliliorum
@materliliorum 2 жыл бұрын
@@NicolaW72 I don't agree with your way of thinking. I even believe that your colleagues will experience your being such a captain some time without you even noticing it. Let's explain why: we are all human beings, whatever time we are born in. We are supposed to maintain a good working culture by ourselves and are being challenged all time by our own physiological and mental weaknesses (and I'm very weak on that point). The instant we start to believe that this working culture exists by itself, for whatever reason: that it's given by social progress, that it's a personal achievement that you're not able to loose any more, that you're somehow not able to behave normally this particular day, or whatever, the instant you give up working on it, you loose. So you cannot say that some misbehaviour is from some ancient time, it is universally human and that's why we train. This captain seems to have lost his mind out of a sense of duty that led him to take everything on himself and experience his own weakness, maybe for the first time. In his view on Aug 6, bad CRM was going to be of a near future time, maybe after a remarkable career without any incident, and presumably because of something as simple and human as hypoglycemia and the impatience that comes from it.
@aliceiscalling
@aliceiscalling 2 жыл бұрын
I can't help but think that if the FO did take control and save everyone, the captain might have become belligerent or he may have still been punished in some way.
@lilliegould6236
@lilliegould6236 2 жыл бұрын
This video made me think about how my dad regularly says to me “the wrong decision is better than no decision” even if the captain had kept reverse thrusters and full brakes rather than muddling in indecisiveness the incident would likely be less severe
@aviationx1735
@aviationx1735 2 жыл бұрын
Its the same feeling when you overtake a vehicle and there is another vehicle approaching in the opposite lane closing in fast .. double thoughts happen and you are in doubt whether to accelerate and get back into lane or pull back and try again .i think the capt here also felt the same , the concept of go around went through his mind im sure because he restored the reversers at one point and the thrust levers were in TOGA according to crash pictures of cockpit.
@alexdrouillard2153
@alexdrouillard2153 2 жыл бұрын
“More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision.” - Cicero
@LeutnantJoker
@LeutnantJoker 2 жыл бұрын
That is the most important lesson taught to every military officer. Indecision kills. Leadership is less about making always the right decisions than being able to make a decision quickly with good situational awareness and then stand by that decision.
@statetechguru4804
@statetechguru4804 Жыл бұрын
wtf.... its clear he didnt follow the rules of the windshield wiper, he didnt listen to the first officer, collaboration is important. I dont agree that you take quick bad decisions while flying an Aeroplane. That is not the take away from this video. Listen to the recommendatios from Investigations he told at the end. Those are the take aways, not "taking bad decisions".
@Harrier42861
@Harrier42861 11 ай бұрын
​@statetechguru4804 The point isn't "Make a wrong decision" the point is the captain's waffling was itself a decision that bought him the worst of all worlds.
@Turbojets_Channel
@Turbojets_Channel 3 жыл бұрын
THis one hits close to home. I have had this same experience as a First Officer at a Mexican airport. I called Go Around, used his name, tried to get attention and nothing. I simply took over the control by yelling "My aircraft, my aircraft". He let go and remained silent until basically downwind. I had to select my own gear and flaps up and back down. After I landed he was still in sort of a daze. I told him to 'take control and we will talk later. Just taxi to the gate and don't worry. We are still a team." Had I not taken action, we would have crashed.
@aspzx
@aspzx 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. So what was the reason for the captain's lapse in your case?
@chodeoriki4113
@chodeoriki4113 2 жыл бұрын
Like the other comment. I’m wondering what the reason for his daze ?
@__Andrew_
@__Andrew_ 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Respect. As just a pax, i wonder how often that scenario happens and is there ever a tussle with a captain insisting on staying in control. What rules/crm then applies?
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 2 жыл бұрын
@@chodeoriki4113 partial or "soft" incapacitation can happen for seemingly small reasons, the brain just goes into a weird mode sometimes. Thankfully, pilots are trained to recognize it in their counterparts.
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 2 жыл бұрын
@@__Andrew_ Typically when this soft incapacitation happens there is no challenge from the incapacitated pilot. They’re not responding to call outs, so it’s pretty unlikely that they’re able to “fight back”. They go through strong training for pilot incapacitation and since French Bee 711 (Mentour Pilot has done a video on this one as well) there has been a lot more training on recognizing “soft incapacitation” instead of the other pilot completely going unconscious, which had been the previous training focus on pilot incapacitation. So, likely, even when a pilot enters this soft incapacitation, they are still “in control” enough to release control just like what happened with the OP here.
@HARSHADtp
@HARSHADtp Жыл бұрын
As a passenger I typically land 5 times a year in kozhikkode which is just 45 mins drive away from my home. What is even bone chilling for me is the AI 425 which was in runway during the diversion of first approach is the usual flight i take when i fly to my work (its in Delhi). Hats off to you for this accurate depection of events. One thing to add is that: monsoon in kerala (indian state where kozhikode is located) is pretty heavy and the rain drops are so big (it hurts to ride a motor bike in kerala's rain due to heavy water drops). Morever, Typically when it start raining, it tends to last for 3-4 hours non stop.
@sreekarpradyumna
@sreekarpradyumna 2 жыл бұрын
My best friend in college lost her classmate in this crash. Really sad to see how it happened.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that
@soulawaken24
@soulawaken24 3 жыл бұрын
"I hope it works" is never the thing you want to hear from someone who has 200 lives on his hands, even when there were many other factors at play for this crash 😶
@REDnBLACKnRED
@REDnBLACKnRED 2 жыл бұрын
He likely meant if it didn't work he would have to go around again like he did the first time, not that he would crash.
@HA-rn2iu
@HA-rn2iu Жыл бұрын
Just to let you know, the pilot was a former Experimental Test pilot.
@hbkvaisag
@hbkvaisag 3 жыл бұрын
This happened near the hospital where I work as a doctor. I had just reached home after a busy day and had turned on the news having coffee. Immediately came back to the hospital and the scenes were catastrophic. Most of the casualties were children. Hoping that such accidents don't happen again..
@RDnAC
@RDnAC 8 ай бұрын
I’m sorry you experienced this
@aarambhaadhikari5178
@aarambhaadhikari5178 2 жыл бұрын
This crash is extremely similar to the Air India Express flight 812 crash which happened in Mangalore, Karnataka on the 22nd of May 2010. Both of these planes were boeing 737s that were flying into Southern India from Dubai and crashed after runway overrun due to pilot error.
@asgharmohamed
@asgharmohamed Жыл бұрын
Yes. It was horrible. One of the survivor from Kerala was in shock for more than six months and he never returned to Dubai because he was scared of boarding a flight again.
@siddhartharoy8880
@siddhartharoy8880 Жыл бұрын
Both are table top runways. In Mangalore crash only 8 people survived out of 200
@scott_hunts
@scott_hunts Жыл бұрын
My fiancée gets hypoglycemia sometimes. It’s no joke. It seriously degrades decision making, gives her literal tunnel vision, etc. I can absolutely see how this could cause an accident.
@mb2776
@mb2776 9 ай бұрын
yep and the scary thing is, sometimes you're able to notice it way earlier before they are able to notice it themselves! I tend to remind my gf to eat from time to time when she has glassy eyes and she tends to isn't focused that much, trying to find the right words.
@equallyeasilyfuqyou
@equallyeasilyfuqyou 7 ай бұрын
Dad was a diabetic. He used to get super super confused when his blood sugar was either low or high, was very scary to witness
@sonumathewvj
@sonumathewvj 3 жыл бұрын
The airport (Calicut International Airport) is located nearly 30 km away from where I am from, Malappuram in Kerala. Although it was the peak time of the pandemic and the state was under lockdown, people in the vicinity came down to the site and took part in the extensive crash rescue operations, without being bothered about Covid-19.
@AbdulRasheed-go7tq
@AbdulRasheed-go7tq 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent rescue operations done by local people..
@phantom777t1
@phantom777t1 2 жыл бұрын
Ith iniyum sambhavikathe irikatte
@zoch9797
@zoch9797 2 жыл бұрын
Probably because the Wuhan Virus has a survival right of 99.7%
@nizamhuzain
@nizamhuzain 2 жыл бұрын
I see a proud malayali up here🤠
@uhhferdi
@uhhferdi 2 жыл бұрын
liar the crash was in 2014
@caleblumbard7713
@caleblumbard7713 2 жыл бұрын
As someone with type 1 diabetes I can say first hand that hypoglycemia even minor can cause someone to become very confused and disoriented. Some people can’t feel hypoglecemia coming on as well. I think pilots today are required to have a CGM, continuous glucose monitor, which gives a glucose reading every five minutes. This pretty much negates all risk with a diabetic pilot, assuming they have decent blood sugar control, which is normally also requirement from what I’ve read. Love your videos! Always so detailed!
@aseifert71
@aseifert71 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a retired pilot and have to say I’m impressed with your videos, very detail oriented and well explained. There is a couple of flight incidents you could look into, Aeroperu flight 603 and Faucett flight 251, the latter was also to land on a plateau runway. Keep up the great work. I love it.
@letitiadungavel6367
@letitiadungavel6367 2 жыл бұрын
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@yogeshhasabnis
@yogeshhasabnis 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this particular investigation since could not get hold on accident report. So nicely presented Petter, as if this can become a training documentation. The thing which makes more sad is learnings from Mangalore accident were not implemented.
@gtdriver2416
@gtdriver2416 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the few occasions where it seems like a company in the aviation Industry doesn't want to learn from its mistakes. This is so sad for everyone who lost someone in this accident.
@fv1291
@fv1291 3 жыл бұрын
Us non Patreon viewers still love your work, and appreciate it when we receive a heart from you. Trust us, we wish we had some extra cash laying around to support your hard work and dedication!
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Not needed! Your participation and interaction helps as well!
@fv1291
@fv1291 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Thank you!!!!! :)
@concierge7574
@concierge7574 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Bezos, Shatner + Musk could help support Mentour + Patreon, if they knew about Petter's hard work educating people. Time to send an email to my friends who work at Blue Origin and at NASA. You never know what they might do to contribute, or to sponsor videos. The house shakes a lot when the rockets take off + the noise is loud; yet it's a thrill to watch from the backyard!
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Watching this to see if my video is accurate! Great job!
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Hey!! Great to see you here. I only saw that you covered the event yesterday when I was researching titles. Hope you liked it! 💕
@samrossi2641
@samrossi2641 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope you guys Collab someday.
@RAXITH_playz
@RAXITH_playz 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot thats great that both are appreciating each other..!! Lot of respect
@ZombieSazza
@ZombieSazza 3 жыл бұрын
Wholesome exchange
@kittenmatchvids6440
@kittenmatchvids6440 3 жыл бұрын
I actually had just watched your vid Wednesday and was like '....this accident sounds familiar'
@Woodman-Spare-that-tree
@Woodman-Spare-that-tree 2 жыл бұрын
This high authority gradient thing reminds me of a similar situation in British hospitals where patients were dying because none of the assistants in the operating room or on the hospital ward felt able to warn the surgeon or consultant when they observed problems or mistakes being made. The surgeon/consultant was God and you didnt speak to him unless he gave you an order. I remember there was a lot of publicity some years ago, calling for a change in culture and protection for whistle-blowers, in the interests of the patients. I haven’t seen anything about this in the media lately so perhaps things have improved. The lives of the patients/passengers are sometimes the very last priority of the consultant/captain.
@ashrafc
@ashrafc 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the details inch by inch. The crash happened not so far from my native. A major accident, condolences to the families who lost their dear ones. A well detailed technical explanation. I would appreciate if all the content reaches as a training material in India's pilot training centers.
@ashrafc
@ashrafc 3 жыл бұрын
I remember it during failure-safety analysis, "The Cascading failure"
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 2 жыл бұрын
I hope so too, from what I hear the service on Indian airlines is very excellent compared to many places, but from the few accidents I have watched analysis of on KZbin, it sounds like the seniority and hierarchy culture may need some stronger CRM training to overcome. It's important for a FO to be able to question/correct the captain or even take control when they *need* to in situations like this!
@ronb1057
@ronb1057 Жыл бұрын
@@revenevan11 The F/O should have started to become assertive long before his physical intervention was ever necessary. Once they deviated from the stable approach, it's an automatic 'go around', because things after that point start happening very fast and one is just asking for more trouble if you don't do a 'go around' and re-set the approach.
@commerce-usa
@commerce-usa 3 жыл бұрын
Schedules are important, safety and CRM are far more important. Perhaps the early departure and the late arrival checklists might want to include something about the state and wellbeing of the flight deck crew. SOPs exist to ensure safety. Another outstanding video Petter, many lessons in this one.
@Craftymom1o19
@Craftymom1o19 3 жыл бұрын
I get that the financial bottom line matters a lot but weren't go arounds changed to non- penalizing actions to ensure greater safety? IF so why would tight timelines still be a thing when they have such an impact on flight crews? Shouldn't someone other than the senior of the crew be capable to call "this is unsafe" "we need a scedual/personell change"? Would that be a decent change in relationship change between crews and companies? I'm asking because this isn't the first accident where there was a problem with one of the crews and the senority gradient was high, causing a break down of communication...
@Embargoman
@Embargoman 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftymom1o19 I got this joke for you! What do you call a Volvo that flies? An airplane Made in Japan.
@Embargoman
@Embargoman 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I would wonder what will happen to Boeing if a 737 MAX crashes in Japan? I bet they are going to the same route as Fokker did, going out of business.
@damilolaakanni
@damilolaakanni 2 жыл бұрын
@@Embargoman sorry, I don't understand this.
@CW-rx2js
@CW-rx2js Жыл бұрын
I used to study in the same town Calicut and would often go home by flight every nine months. Whenever we landed at Kozhikode/Calicut airport, I'd start praying. It's a table top runway in a valley and very short. And I knew the dangers of this. There's a similar one at Mangalore airport- and there was a crash there too
@idothings6685
@idothings6685 Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank God for your prayers, that's probably the only reason you are alive today. I pray every 5 minutes or else I might die from a meteor landing on my head.
@noufalvlpr
@noufalvlpr Жыл бұрын
@@idothings6685 😂
@riyastir
@riyastir Жыл бұрын
@@idothings6685 lol
@Junaid_Paramberi
@Junaid_Paramberi Жыл бұрын
Bro… I am working in Dubai for the last five years. I used this airport for all my vacation travel. I didn’t pray but still, I am alive.. what a surprise 😂😂😂😂
@riyastir
@riyastir Жыл бұрын
@@Junaid_Paramberi That is medical miracle.
@palanthis
@palanthis 3 жыл бұрын
I typically "watch" videos on my second monitor, while I am doing other things. Petter's videos however, deserve and get my full attention. Another great one, my friend.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 💕
@dominicMcAfee
@dominicMcAfee 3 жыл бұрын
I have the very same set up buddy and believe me I know what it's like to give preference to one monitor for one thing! Thanks a million!
@rohitkrishnan2269
@rohitkrishnan2269 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Dude that's a flex..XD!
@theresabraddock9310
@theresabraddock9310 3 жыл бұрын
he's talking way too fast and have to slow it down!
@LittleBallOfPurr
@LittleBallOfPurr 3 жыл бұрын
It always feels especially painful when human negligence and hubris, in a non pressure situation, contributes to these accidents.
@JL67-67
@JL67-67 3 жыл бұрын
I dont think it was a non pressure situation, but definetly a situation professional pilots should be able to handle.
@dextrodus
@dextrodus 3 жыл бұрын
@@JL67-67 I don't think they are referring to the time of the crash, but the circumstances that resulted in the wrong medication, high power gradient in the cockpit, broken windshield wipers, wrong windspeed readouts and so on.
@sonnenscheinsommer4754
@sonnenscheinsommer4754 3 жыл бұрын
@purforme the same human negligence and hubris where I work (a big public building), when I say to my boss "this... doesn't look good, that is dangerous for people in this room" I get answers like "no, that was fixed with a nail" or "there was an inspection last year, it CAN'T be dangerous" or "this is not my responsibility, it's the responsibility of Mr...." they just push away their(!!!) responsibility!
@enochlazo4743
@enochlazo4743 3 жыл бұрын
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@islandlife756
@islandlife756 3 жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction. Heartbreaking and pointless loss of life. Well presented by Petter, with dignity for those who were lost. Thank you for that.
@christinafacts444
@christinafacts444 2 жыл бұрын
The pilot increasing speed during landing is a very "I've just walked into a room but I forgot why I'm here" response to being tired. He likely spaced out and forgot if he was landing or taking off for a few critical seconds. RIP everyone who didn't make it.
@EXO-L-ls8qj
@EXO-L-ls8qj Жыл бұрын
It's more likely that he was having a low blood sugar. Reaction time, and decision making are both severely compromised when in that state. It's like being highly intoxicated, and oftentimes people that are hypoglycemic are often mistaken for being drunk. Based on how he was talking on the flight recorder and the slow reactions and poor decisions he was making, as well as the apparent confusion he was experiencing, all point to being hypoglycemic.
@exeexecutor
@exeexecutor Жыл бұрын
Or he wanted to abort the landing but then he became indecisive
@BryanDorr
@BryanDorr 3 жыл бұрын
It's heartbreaking that some of these incidents start off with the smallest things. It's like United 173 in Portland in 1978 where a burned-out light bulb started a series of events that led to a fatal crash in the Portland suburbs. I enjoy your explanations and takeaways. Top class quality presentation as always, Petter.
@paul756uk2
@paul756uk2 3 жыл бұрын
That was exactly the incident I was thinking about when he started to talk about the wiper failure.
@kenaston4220
@kenaston4220 3 жыл бұрын
I always believe that catastrophic events often start with almost insignificant incidents. When I find myself sailing in very hazardous conditions, I make sure that no actions are taken that might start a chain of events, nothing!
@adb012
@adb012 3 жыл бұрын
That would be a great video for Peter to cover.
@Silo-Ren
@Silo-Ren 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't their another one just like that. The Eastern Airlines that crashed in the everglades? Crew more worried about a burnt light crashed into terriane.
@Silo-Ren
@Silo-Ren 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenaston4220 very , vey smart of you. As you know all crashes or accidents are never a cause of just one incident.
@funastacia
@funastacia 3 жыл бұрын
I love the flow of the story / the editing in this video in particular, I must say! Have you been trying something different here? Also, the ATC transcriptions are a very nice touch! Thank you, Petter, and Petter’s team!
@funastacia
@funastacia 3 жыл бұрын
Finished watching and feel that the joyful tone in my comment above was inappropriate. I left it when I was halfway through the video. I wish this story had a different ending 😔
@Akodta
@Akodta 3 жыл бұрын
@@funastacia While the story has a ending not agreeing with the tone of your comment. I think its still fine as yoh are expressing enjoyment of the delivery and as a content creator he will probably appreciate it
@drk_blood
@drk_blood 3 жыл бұрын
The only different things I see here are those "flashback memories" short clips added, where he repeats what he said earlier in the video. Everything else is usual stuff.
@ubuntuber1619
@ubuntuber1619 3 жыл бұрын
O Kay
@parkcrashers5922
@parkcrashers5922 3 жыл бұрын
She doesn't give a rats ass what any of you think. She's talking to Petter.
@erictreve7789
@erictreve7789 2 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot but I really enjoy listening to you explain these events. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
@harindranathk300
@harindranathk300 2 жыл бұрын
But Sir, every episode of this or similar channels predictably has one ending _ pilot error, especially if pilot is killed in crash. Weather conditions, control towers laxity, mechanical faults are all brushed under the carpet which makes one feel that these reports are more filmy than actual
@joewalsh3404
@joewalsh3404 3 жыл бұрын
First class video as usual, Petter (and Dominic) - this is why quality always wins over quantity!
@dominicMcAfee
@dominicMcAfee 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe! It feels much better to release a quality video. Hope you enjoyed.
@flagmichael
@flagmichael 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree! There are lots of air crash videos that tell us what happened, but very few put us in the cockpit as it happens. In some of these events - maybe including this one - it might be enlightening to have a real-time account of everything going wrong. As in this case, the "crunch time" probably began with the destabilization of the approach. I recall a Mentour video several months back that, after the full explanation, had a real-time segment via ATC recording (IIRC). I was stunned by how rapid it was.
@sonnenscheinsommer4754
@sonnenscheinsommer4754 3 жыл бұрын
@@dominicMcAfee there is not only great footage/animation and good video cut, but also great FLOW in the story and good narration, sound, not too long and not too short... interesting details...
@dominicMcAfee
@dominicMcAfee 3 жыл бұрын
@@flagmichael great feedback thanks so much.
@jillianbruce6143
@jillianbruce6143 2 жыл бұрын
After rejecting FO's initial toga recommendation, pride didn't allow him to quickly reconsider and I think he basically panicked after that. BTW, since when does ATC's convenience (reason stated for one of landing plan change requests) get considered, ESPECIALLY in bad weather, faulty ground info calibration AND etcetera?!? Also, I agree that if FO HAD usurped control, unstable pilot may've freaked out (ONLY knowing his authority's just been taken, but still NOT being able to function otherwise), referring to the "lose/lose" situation mentioned 😣.
@acsimpson2633
@acsimpson2633 3 жыл бұрын
As a retired RAF Aircrew Officer, I am highly impressed by this presenter and the thoroughness of his deliberations. His manner of remaining eyes locked on to the lens of the camera is so reassuring, it wouldn’t be overstating the case that with editing, Petter’s? analyses might be used to supplement basic classroom/simulator training. Fascinating. I’d be proud to be on his flight deck.
@junewoods1815
@junewoods1815 Жыл бұрын
I’m afraid of flying but would feel a lot more confident if MenTour Pilot was the Captain 😊
@JustMe-fo4ev
@JustMe-fo4ev Жыл бұрын
I work in finance, deal with India on a daily basis, and can say with full confidence that this business culture of never questioning superiors and being intimidated by them exists and shows no signs of changing
@amitayudas1411
@amitayudas1411 3 жыл бұрын
Being from India, these two tragic accidents will be etched in my minds forever. Your detailed analysis of the accident has illustrated the chain of events leading to the tragic event of the ill fated flight. As you have amply made clear in all your videos that numerous factors are involved in such accidents and pilot's error is not the only factor. In adverse situations, the work gets really difficult for the pilots.
@sunshinesuen6998
@sunshinesuen6998 2 жыл бұрын
But I think human error is the main cause of the accident.
@rahuldebchakrabarty1848
@rahuldebchakrabarty1848 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the basic flaw is building a constrained runway - which is a absolute no no. That Airport should not exist of at both the end by additional construction runway needs to be extended. If Japan can build an artificial Island to put aa very large airport, doing construction works at the both ends, should be doable. Lot of things can happen and additional 30% distance should be there to control the aircraft. I am not a pilot, what am I telling is the minimum flying passenger experience I have and common-sense and my engineering background.
@kkfoto
@kkfoto 2 жыл бұрын
@@rahuldebchakrabarty1848 There is nothing wrong with the runway. Many airports operate with much shorter runways. The only contribution of the airport to that unfortunate chain of events was a possibly malfunctioning wind speed measuring equipment.
@AM-jr9lg
@AM-jr9lg 2 жыл бұрын
@@rahuldebchakrabarty1848 do you believe our country has that kind of approach and Culture. Secondly it clearly states that the organisation has the problems.
@rebekahmikaelson3860
@rebekahmikaelson3860 2 жыл бұрын
@@sunshinesuen6998 human error can have systematic and operational causes, as was highlighted in the report. it's easy to dismiss all of the contributing factors in favor of blaming it on "human error" bc that provides us a scapegoat (aka the individual flight crew) to shove all the blame on. luckily, that's not at all how the aviation industry works- they look at the real root causes and try to fix them. that's why air travel is the safest mode of transportation there is. like the report said, the main (root) cause was improper management by air india, then it was the airport's technical issues, then the other miscellaneous things
@mishkaponomarev
@mishkaponomarev 3 жыл бұрын
Not a pilot myself, but thank you so much for raising the awareness and building up the aviation community with the focus on safety and engineering, I know how important that is!
@RithikaCherukat
@RithikaCherukat 2 жыл бұрын
Growing up, I used to take flights both to and from Calicut during our school vacations. I was in Calicut at the time of this crash and it haunts me to this day.
@sangeeth3961
@sangeeth3961 2 жыл бұрын
Very well presented, the way you got into each and every detail is so amazing. This is truly on of the worst air crash in India after 2010. Sad part is that no lession is learned after the 2010 Mangalore crash.
@GoRevv
@GoRevv 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the power gradient, which he talked about, is high in our country in any job or service rendered, be it government or private. Although, it is lesser in the latter, but it still exists. Sometimes, this fear of losing job or insubordination can make people myopic and less aware of the grave repercussions they may face for not correcting their seniors. Same thing happened here. Yeah, faulty equipments and other factors also played their part, but the moment of disaster was when they glided on half of the runway and didn't make a favourable decision.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 3 жыл бұрын
I am reminded of a training exercise in a completely different field, where the textbook led us through a sequence of minor wrong decisions that led up to a disastrous outcome.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. That’s how all these accidents work
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot well, sometimes there is a BIG problem that no amount of right decisions can overcome, but in this case it was the cumulative result of a bunch of poor decisions that happened to all align.
@californiahiker9616
@californiahiker9616 3 жыл бұрын
I wish there was the equivalent of an air crash investigation team in medicine!
@markhamstra1083
@markhamstra1083 3 жыл бұрын
@@californiahiker9616 There is at many hospitals. My father ran one for many years.
@eric27gm
@eric27gm Жыл бұрын
Your genuine face when you talk about loss of life gives me chills. I'm very much an empath and it gets me teary eyed every time. Thank you for these videos. They break into my true emotions and make you appreciate how fragile these times and how fragile life is.
@Vicus_of_Utrecht
@Vicus_of_Utrecht 10 ай бұрын
I feel you. KnightRaven did a memorial for a KZbinr that died recently, MittenSquad. Yeah it's silly sounding but I'm still a wreck over it. I hope you give the video a view btw
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason our man Petter hasn’t hit 1 mil subs yet? Let’s go people, best aviation content on KZbin.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 💕
@roderickcampbell2105
@roderickcampbell2105 3 жыл бұрын
Hi TTD. Perhaps it has something to do with your handle? I suggest "The Round Trunk" or something like that. I do agree that Petter deserves 1M.
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 3 жыл бұрын
@@roderickcampbell2105 my handle has zero to do with Petter’s number of subs, and I like my handle, so I’m gonna keep it 👍🏻
@roderickcampbell2105
@roderickcampbell2105 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetowndrunk988 Fair enough TTD. I have nothing against your handle. I was trying to be witty. I often fail. Cheers.
@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783
@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783 3 жыл бұрын
It’s probably you tubes Whacky algorithm. Doesn’t reward good original content. It will push millennials “reacting” to tik tones and animals doing things. It’s embarrassing.
@pandaroll2323
@pandaroll2323 3 жыл бұрын
A sad and tragic story, which you have documented here so professionally. As you said, there were so many individual (the Swiss cheese model) factors that contributed to this accident - you detailed each one clearly, and also explained how each factor impacted on the outcome. For me, one of the most important takeaways was the CRM - there were several times where better communications between the Captain and FO could have altered the outcome, and it is so sad that did not occur in this instance. Can see the hard work that went into making this video - thank you Petter, absolutely fantastic as always!
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
You are completely correct. CRM is crucial and we are spending tonnes of time on training this to our crews.
@Hans_R._Wahl
@Hans_R._Wahl 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right!
@brucejones2354
@brucejones2354 3 жыл бұрын
It often makes me wonder, if the FO understood that the Captain was going to kill him, would he have reacted differently? Personally, I bet he would have!
@Hans_R._Wahl
@Hans_R._Wahl 3 жыл бұрын
@@brucejones2354 That's a very good question! Probably.
@djjithujab
@djjithujab 2 жыл бұрын
As I am 80km near this airport i can clearly say the civilians in the sorrounding area was so fast and helping which made the faculty very less. They wer the real super heros in this sad accident.
@derikventer5271
@derikventer5271 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Mentour; this is a very sad story.. I was just wondering if and when can a first officer forcefully take over control if he or she feels that the pilot in command is putting the safety of the plane in danger? I am looking forward to your response
@stanislavkostarnov2157
@stanislavkostarnov2157 3 жыл бұрын
Mentour should respond to this comment, however, my understanding is a first officer must and should definitely force a takeover of control with the phrase "I have control" whenever he perceives the commanding officer's actions (or inactions) to be a direct danger to the plane, or if he believes such actions may happen in short order.
@Rayankady
@Rayankady 2 жыл бұрын
very good question actually. Most FO would be hesitant to do that, which happened on this flight.
@anna_in_aotearoa3166
@anna_in_aotearoa3166 2 жыл бұрын
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 Thank you for answering this one! Having consecutively watched quite a number of Peter's videos where captains' poor judgement wasn't successfully overruled by FO's who had really serious concerns about the situation, leading to fatal results, I can't help wondering whether this cockpit power gradient issue is as rife as it seems at first glance? And if so, whether it's been either exacerbated or ameliorated by the staffing changes forced by the pandemic...? Would be really helpful to hear a pilot or cabin crew's perspective!
@vjr5074
@vjr5074 2 жыл бұрын
BELOW 1000, SINGLE CALL MISSED.....ABOVE THAT 2 CALLS MISSED.....BUT ITS COMPLICATED....SENIORITY, FATIGUE, LOTTA OTHER THINGS COME INTO PLAY....
@mikesolo7993
@mikesolo7993 2 жыл бұрын
This is a common issue though. A number of crashes have occurred where there is too steep of a command gradient and the FO has known what's wrong, not felt empowered, and the captain has crashed the plane. Mentour's video's taught me about the command gradient and this was applicable to my day job!
@saipranav7233
@saipranav7233 3 жыл бұрын
I remember keenly following the news after this accident, where scores of people started coming up with theories and claims into what happened. I was waiting for someone credible to explain this to the general public and avgeeks, and who better than you! Thanks captain, Class complete!
@JithinJose2
@JithinJose2 3 жыл бұрын
most of the theories does get end up correct though
@isacjohnson8891
@isacjohnson8891 3 жыл бұрын
@@JithinJose2 what you talking about. the initial theories where, hero captain turned off engines to save from explosion, the aircraft skid off the runway becuase of rain and all of these were media made up theories. I even remember media making animations on what actually happened.
@JithinJose2
@JithinJose2 3 жыл бұрын
@@isacjohnson8891 Clearly we both are not following same media :)
@isacjohnson8891
@isacjohnson8891 3 жыл бұрын
@@JithinJose2 what theories did you hear initially and it was true??
@flagmichael
@flagmichael 3 жыл бұрын
The irony is that there was never any chance anybody would get it right enough to ensure it could be prevented from happening again. Just too many moving parts, so to speak, led to this result.
@n2growthvideocomps
@n2growthvideocomps 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these amazing videos! I am a flight surgeon in the military and it's my job to prevent aviators from getting into situations like this. This video does an amazing job highlighting the importance of pilots taking care of their health and not taking any medications without discussing first with their flight doc. Even with a two person crew, having one person incapacitated, increases the work load to a degree that can be very unsafe. Thank you again for all your videos! I am not a pilot myself, but your videos have really helped my understand the amazing work the aviators I take care of do everyday. Take care!
@mathewlawton8944
@mathewlawton8944 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a firefighter in London and your videos will help me understand if the unthinkable happens also I have learnt so much from your other videos. The concord 1 I really found informative keep the good work up.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I hope you will find this one usable as well.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing thoroughly professional people like Petter are flying our planes helps put this anxious flier at ease. Accidents like this happen but it is comforting to know the industry is always striving to learn from its mistakes. Superb video as always.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad to hear you find it encouraging 💕
@samhhaincat2703
@samhhaincat2703 3 жыл бұрын
Until the Boeing Max fiasco, I agreed with you. Now I no longer think the industry is serious about safety and learning from their mistakes, they're only interested in $$. It's cheaper to pay out death benefits than to make planes safe. I honestly don't know if I will ever fly again, my trust in this industry has been incredibly damaged. It has NOTHING to do with experts like Petter but everything to do with the true evil of our world that is capitalism.
@jillianbruce6143
@jillianbruce6143 2 жыл бұрын
@@samhhaincat2703 The EVIL, my friend, is that Satan's influence is allowed in the ATC Tower: Little last-minute changes (runways, direction), miscommunications, urgent status omissions, shift changes w/o correct hand-offs, killer overconfidence and, Satan's fave, PRIDE!!! It all adds up to disaster, tragedy and 💔 heartbreak😮‍💨😖😫!!!
@Fleurbunny
@Fleurbunny Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how Mentour Pilot always takes a pause to respect those lost. Never fails to do this.
@samrossi2641
@samrossi2641 3 жыл бұрын
Its amazing that I've been on board of this KZbin channel's journey for a long time and see how it is shaping over time. This channel will be an aviation reference. You deserve all the best Peter thank you for your hard work.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank YOU for being part of the crew! 💕
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, it’s an institutional level quality resource.
@jollyvivi
@jollyvivi 3 жыл бұрын
This is no doubt one of the best aviation channels on YT and definitely the one with the BEST presentation ! Have flown into CCJ (as a passenger ofc) several times and the landing on the tabletop is not what I would call an enjoyable experience ! !
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I can imagine.
@paulm.k.8740
@paulm.k.8740 2 жыл бұрын
I am from Kochi, near Kozhikkod (pronounced so), and the details of the accident inquiry report was minimal in the media. Being a retired aircraft mechanic and interested in flight safety, I was keen to know the reasons that caused the accident. The matter that the wind shield wiper was not working is news to me. They should have chosen to land in an alternative airport.
@philipjamesparsons
@philipjamesparsons 3 жыл бұрын
I did read the report when it came out. The one thing that struck me was that the report never dug into the history of the Captain. He screwed up time and time again on that flight. Pilots who perform that badly, generally have a grim history. But, this report just blames it on his meds and light meal. I feel it is a cover up.
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 2 жыл бұрын
The focus on his meds and light meal are likely because hypoglycemia is entirely reasonable to explain the behaviors of the pilot, in particular the slow reaction times, and lack of awareness about his own incapacity. The symptoms of hypoglycemia are very similar to being drunk, and as a T1D, the first thing I do when I feel at all drunk, despite not having had any alcohol, is to check my blood sugar. It’s entirely possible that this pilot _was_ screwing up time and time again on approach at this airport, but the hypoglycemia is very likely to be just as significant a factor as if he had had a few beers just prior to the landing, and no one would question that that would be sufficient to cause the accident regardless of his prior issues with the airport.
@mzuribeauty4287
@mzuribeauty4287 2 жыл бұрын
Yes because he was hypoglycemic for many hours
@wrongturnVfor
@wrongturnVfor 2 жыл бұрын
@@puellanivis can be very similar to hypoxia too
@Tsumami__
@Tsumami__ 2 жыл бұрын
Ummm have you ever seen someone go into hypoglycemic shock? Its not very different from how people function during a localized seizure. They’re totally out of it and it gets worse the more time that goes by.
@wrongturnVfor
@wrongturnVfor 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tsumami__ hypoglycaemic shock can start mildly. It can manifest as someone suffering hypoxia, localised seizure or even grand mal seizure where the body goes into full convulsions. It might even manifest as arrhythmias (really rapis heart beat, a kind of heart attack). So yeah.
@boredtiger8143
@boredtiger8143 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!! Investigators hit the nail on the head when they indicated airline mismanagement. I'm so glad now the Indian government has sold the airline to Tata, a private conglomerate which is already operating 2 more airlines. Hope things will be better.
@ismailkm1
@ismailkm1 2 жыл бұрын
Better for corporates
@jumpergamer1913
@jumpergamer1913 2 жыл бұрын
@@ismailkm1 you would rather trust the incompetent government to take care of the airport safety
@frankrosenbloom
@frankrosenbloom Жыл бұрын
Power gradients are socially ingrained in India. Juniors of any profession are expected to stand up when seniors enter a room even in casual situations. Juniors refer to seniors as "sir" or "madam." This happens in any profession, such as in medicine. It is not considered acceptable to question a senior, and often seniors speak down and in a disparaging way to juniors. I do hope this is changing. Some respect is, of course, required, but teamwork is necessary.
@gopalakrishnanms
@gopalakrishnanms 3 ай бұрын
Interestingly, even if a senior takes active measures to flatten hierarchy in a deliberate fashion, say by asking people who are working on something not to stand up when he comes into a room or stop calling him "sir" in every sentence, the habit persists. Yes, it is very ingrained. But, I wonder if there have been instances where the first officer took over when the captain was making mistakes, though not incapacitated, in countries where such power differences do not exist.
@sukhoifockewulf
@sukhoifockewulf 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I felt everything you felt as you talked about their departing the runway and just knowing they had little chance. I thoroughly believe your videos will save lives; some pilot put there who maybe skims thier checklists occasionally or is in a situation where it would be easy to take an easier route, will absolutely be reminded of this or another one of your videos.
@joshsheffsagain4662
@joshsheffsagain4662 3 жыл бұрын
Yet another good one, Petter!! When I think of the number of hours I wasted when younger watching over dramatised, detail lacking Air Crash shows on TV.... 🤦 Keep up the incredible work! ❤️
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
I will certainly try. Thank you for being here and supporting the channel.
@mouselovinlady
@mouselovinlady 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. It’s really good to have the facts and technicalities without endless shots of people screaming in terror. We can all imagine how it might feel to be in the aircraft when this is happening, it’s so much more respectful to just look at what can be learned (and, as a passenger, the reassurance of what has been learned!).
@Croz89
@Croz89 3 жыл бұрын
Mayday/ACI isn't that bad. Some of the others though...
@Sarahsadie2021
@Sarahsadie2021 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t stop binge watching your channel! I stumbled upon it and my first video was about the Concord. I’m hooked. Your voice is nice to listen to, you make the information very easy to understand, and I feel like I’m sitting across from you on a couch listening to your very detailed and interesting accounts of aviation history. Keep up the great work and amazing content!
@helenachase78
@helenachase78 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps one day you will produce a full length documentary. Your skill is tremendous ! Cheers from Saskatchewan Canada !
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
You want me to make the videos LONGER? 🧐😂
@helenachase78
@helenachase78 3 жыл бұрын
Yes !
@freshgasflow
@freshgasflow 9 ай бұрын
😂​@@MentourPilot
@2811JPR
@2811JPR 3 жыл бұрын
This accident was caused by the Captain's negligence and it cost the lives of innocent people including that of the First Officer who clearly knew their landing attempt was far from optimal. Tragic.
@EFFEZE
@EFFEZE 2 жыл бұрын
The FO was a pussio. He didn't need to wait for the captain to respond to his go around. He should've been direct and take control. I don't get why anyone would keep quiet when it's their life at stake.
@BernhardWelzel
@BernhardWelzel 2 жыл бұрын
This is actually not true. The Accident was caused by 3 big factors, only one of those is the Captain. If CRM would have been better, accident would not happen. If organisation was not having the many issues described, the Captain would not have been in the situation. So please do not put the blame on the Captain and instead focus on the many other People who failed in their jobs in order to create the situation and let it play out this way.
@PerryPlatapussi
@PerryPlatapussi Жыл бұрын
This accident was not only the captains fault. It was caused by a large number of chain reactions that led up to the crash
@joyshreve1621
@joyshreve1621 Жыл бұрын
​@@BernhardWelzel👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 we love nuance
@chiluxr250
@chiluxr250 10 ай бұрын
chain reaction started by Captain's bad decisions @@PerryPlatapussi
@giomar89
@giomar89 2 жыл бұрын
Everytime you describe the cabin crew and disclose a large agegap between the captain and FO I start to expect the worse
@burke615
@burke615 3 жыл бұрын
I discovered your channel three days ago, and have been binging it since. You do such a great job explaining complex scenarios to make them easier to understand. Keep up the great work, Petter!
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 3 жыл бұрын
The co-pilot should have taken control of the plane as soon as the captain failed to comply with the go around order. He should have said, "My plane." and pushed the TOGA button. The pilot had clearly become incapacitated and the co-pilot failed to recognize and act on this factor.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
In a perfect world, that would have happened, yes.
@gauru2303
@gauru2303 2 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot in India, respecting elders is deeply ingrained in culture. Also the Late Captain was from the Air Force, which might have added up... hope their souls have attained peace
@maxyu1534
@maxyu1534 2 жыл бұрын
@@gauru2303 one of the reason why I wouldn't put my life in the hands of Indian pilots or other similar culture pilots as they are more likely to not communicate as well as other pilots with different cultural background. It is so furiating to see this kind of accident happen by people who should not have a job as pilot which is responsible of so many lives. They need to have certain type of training to break off their cultural respect for elderly people before going into pilot training. These culture should be banned in Aviation industry. I don't hate this kind of culture, it has pros and cons but in the aviation industry, it is absolutely terrible.
@HA-rn2iu
@HA-rn2iu Жыл бұрын
​@@maxyu1534Get lost man. I wouldn't put my life of any Western pilots who are absolute dumbheads and corrupt companies like Boeing.
@julietalpha11
@julietalpha11 Жыл бұрын
Toxic work culture in Air India express would not allow first officers to take over captains. It's just on books.. When it comes to reality we are asked not to test captain's ego. Happy that now Tata took over this poorly maintained airline.
@animula6908
@animula6908 Жыл бұрын
This made me realize how important it is to avoid petty anger. I think we all have had some minor tantrum because we are wrong and someone gently corrects us. Most of us do this rarely, or as children, then we learn to be thankful people have our back, but on a bad day I can still get irate if someone tries to help me with a move in solitaire. That’s what this reminds me of. I think in this case the destructiveness is more apparent, but it’s real in every case when we react in anger to anything. Patience is a virtue, and it needs to be a habit as well. Controlling emotions is our own job, and it has real consequences when we indulge in this kind of pettiness. Low blood sugar or no.
@seanmcerlean
@seanmcerlean 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video from you Petter. Absolutely horrendous accident which should have never been allowed to happen.😲 Talk about the holes lining up. Also ❤ the T shirt.😊 Further comment on Patreon.
@patrickpolizzi7
@patrickpolizzi7 3 жыл бұрын
As a critical care nurse, one may have a tendency to disregard some of the patient monitor alarms, because most of them are frivolous. However one cannot afford a cavalier attitude, because one never knows when a "frivolous" alarm is an early warning for something ominous. If the captain had taking the time to hold and rebrief before the approach, or divert because of the broken windshield wiper he may have completely changed the outcome. So thanks for the video. I watch these videos because I can apply the lessons in general aviation.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It’s all about braking that vicious chain.
@fsmaNjaRe
@fsmaNjaRe 3 жыл бұрын
There is an unusual amount of similarity between the medical field and aviation. Only that the fly guys have had protocols and SOPs for longer so they're better, hierarchy is toned down a lot and the science is more straightforward and well understood. Still amazing to see the similarities!
@KC_Smooth
@KC_Smooth 3 жыл бұрын
@@fsmaNjaRe That’s an excellent point.
@RaptorJesus
@RaptorJesus 3 жыл бұрын
I think you could more or less term that as a type of "Victory Disease". Basically, you get so good & experienced at something, that what began as the over-caution of the new & inexperienced, became realistic caution, and finally has become a *lack* of caution. "I know what I'm doing, I've done this forever, I can do it with my eyes closed". And sure, most people with "Victory Disease" *probably could* do whatever it is, eyes closed. They are often genuinely that good, I do not want to take away from the captain's experience or a surgeon's or so on and so forth. But then these kinds of situations come about. Where, it doesn't matter how good you are, the compounded factors of various equipment failures and outside factors has rendered a situation where failure is not just possible but likely.
@CrystallynRose
@CrystallynRose 2 жыл бұрын
@@fsmaNjaRe When I worked as a nurse I attended a lecture on medical mistakes and they used the same Swiss cheese model that Petter mentions in his videos.
@cleo5473
@cleo5473 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t help but wonder if all this could have been avoided if they told the air traffic controller no. About changing runways. RIP to them 🙏🏾
@perry4003
@perry4003 3 жыл бұрын
Professionally explained. Indeed, the centre point is the 'chain of events' effect, either directly or indirectly induced. There's always an explanation, as long as it remains objective. Once again well done Captain.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That’s what I’m trying to explain with all these videos. Thank you for commenting and interacting. It really helps!
@grizzlygrizzle
@grizzlygrizzle 3 жыл бұрын
It seems amazing to me how common it is for people to pick out one causal factor for a problem, and to latch onto that one factor as THE cause.
@concierge7574
@concierge7574 3 жыл бұрын
@@grizzlygrizzle The pilots fatigue + bad attitude indicated that he should have refused to do this flight. It shows the pressure they are under from the airline, which is inappropriate, putting lives at risk + profit first.
@recster1032
@recster1032 3 жыл бұрын
I am from Kerala and I was so curious to know what had happened to Air India flight 1344 , Good job man this is the best explanation i've ever seen ☺
@RahulRk-tr7ot
@RahulRk-tr7ot 2 ай бұрын
Ok ഗഡി.😊
@Slaktrax
@Slaktrax 2 жыл бұрын
We always used Rainex on our cockpit windows applied regularly, which makes the wiper redundant even in the heaviest rain, it's amazing stuff. 🙂
@disasterunfold7885
@disasterunfold7885 3 жыл бұрын
You never failed to amaze us with the quality
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We are really working hard to keep this up, tgats why there might be a bit of a delay to some videos at times. Glad you found it interesting!
@terrenceklaverweide6356
@terrenceklaverweide6356 3 жыл бұрын
I love how you, in this series, mention certain aspects only to come back to them at a later point in the story. It builds suspense, and keeps you hooked and entertained. Also adding backstory adds to the overal experience. As a private pilot and scriptwriter for commercials, I can only say: Great, great story telling!
@shihabaldarmaki8677
@shihabaldarmaki8677 Жыл бұрын
I normally hate advertisements in the middle of the video, but the way you introduce them is so polite and understanding 😊 Thank you for all the amazing content, it definitely helps so much ❤
@suzieq2268
@suzieq2268 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your thorough content very much so, but I also wanted to let you know that I appreciate the professionalism that you promote with your comment section. You are very approachable to speak with, and the comment section in the Mentour Pilot channel is non-toxic to participate in.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! That’s what we are striving for. Thanks for being part of the community!
@liesl7617
@liesl7617 3 жыл бұрын
Superb video and as always, an objective and empathetic telling of the story. Such a sad ending, but you explained really well about how you use this incident to inform your own choices and decision making. Also a great example of poor CRM and the devastating impact that company culture can have where a FO is not confident in calling out a Captain even when they can see they're in a dangerous situation.
@hiranmay
@hiranmay 7 ай бұрын
Extremely tragic incident. Petter this is an incredibly well-produced video, far more detailed than any other.
@heathwirt8919
@heathwirt8919 3 жыл бұрын
A very sad and sobering event, rest in peace all souls lost in this accident.
@kdub1242
@kdub1242 3 жыл бұрын
The production quality of these videos is just fantastic, and yet still seems to be improving. Combined with the report-based information contained in them, these are quite outstanding presentations.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We are working hard on trying to improve all the time
@ramblingrob4693
@ramblingrob4693 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot I think the only downfall could be that they are quite long
@carstenskovgaard574
@carstenskovgaard574 3 жыл бұрын
@@ramblingrob4693 They are long. But I think that's a good thing :)
@mehdir8501
@mehdir8501 4 ай бұрын
Just wanted thank you for making these highly quality mini documentaries. The work required to produce such high quality material must be tremendous.
@FinnishLapphund
@FinnishLapphund 3 жыл бұрын
I thought your Swiss cheese analogy was peak brilliance, but Mona Lisa's smile without rest of the painting is a just as brilliant analogy. Made so much sense, thanks for another excellent video.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I like working with analogies, it makes things easier to understand
@adb012
@adb012 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot ... Peter, your work is absolutely fantastic and you deserve a lot of credit, but not for the Swiss cheese analogy which I strongly suspect precedes your birth 😇
@Thrust-Set-Simulations
@Thrust-Set-Simulations 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was a pretty good one. I kept wondering during that if you were going to show just the smile. Well done 👏🏻
@Embargoman
@Embargoman 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Do a video about the Boeing 737 MAX if the plane crashes in Japan and while it crashes in Japan, about Mitsubishi making a competitor against Boeing, to see to compare Boeing with Fokker. This will be a good explanation to say if a Boeing 737 MAX crashes in Japan, and then Mitsubishi comes along and release a plane to compete with the Boeing 737 MAX then compare Boeing with Fokker and then if Boeing after a crash of a MAX in Japan Boeing becomes the modern day Fokker. The title of the video will call The Day That Boeing is Gone Forever if Mitsubishi turns Boeing into The Modern Day Fokker. I really do believe as Japan makes the best in the world that even Qantas from Australia gives the middle finger to Boeing in favor of Mitsubishi after a first of a Boeing 737 MAX in Japan and yet a Japanese competitor will turn Boeing to the fate of Fokker and Boeing will be gone forever. Is like when I compare Boeing and Mitsubishi then Boeing is an unarmed man Mitsubishi is a man with a gun and then the man pulls out the gun who represents Mitsubishi and then pulls out the trigger that aims at the unarmed man that represents Boeing and the man that represents Boeing gets shot and killed, as it will be viewed as two companies that competes on the same product. I bet this comparison is like what will you be after Boeing goes out of business and then you end up with Mitsubishi planes. In this day of age a Boeing 737 MAX crash in Japan will turn Boeing into the modern day Fokker.
@Stettafire
@Stettafire 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot I've stolen your analogy for our software team, hope you don't mind :)
@shinojnobalto6691
@shinojnobalto6691 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to those guys from the village who rushed to the crash site without listening to the airport watchman to save so many lives
@Danny___Riot
@Danny___Riot Жыл бұрын
I love how he uses flight sim for shots in the video! Even using the same livery! It doesn’t go unappreciated man! Thank you!
@NeonZX4
@NeonZX4 3 жыл бұрын
Very sad. I believe the captains diabetes played a role in this crash. My brother who also has diabetes has displayed the same behaviour. Confusion, dizziness, poor choices, etc. Once he has had something to eat and takes his medicine, he’s fine. Sadly, he passed away four years ago, because he kept forgetting to do what I described above. It’s possible this pilot also forgot. My condolences to those who lost their lives, and to their families and friends. Very informative video, Captain.
@toxictrumptube7763
@toxictrumptube7763 3 жыл бұрын
Cloudy Saturday here in Spain and a new video from Mentour pilot...perfect combination!🤝🍿
@DH-nq1mu
@DH-nq1mu 2 жыл бұрын
You definitely earned an easy subscription from me. I have read articles and watched documentaries about many of these crashes before. But it’s fascinating hearing the perspective from an active pilot. Really great narration and fantastic simulated visuals. Also very succinct, tasteful and sincere Regarding the victims and human loss. Great work on the channel. I’m off to binge watch some more videos 👍
@Croz89
@Croz89 3 жыл бұрын
You'd think having a broken windscreen wiper in monsoon season would pretty much ground the aircraft! Though I guess if it breaks mid-flight and it's raining heavily at _all_ your potential airports, what can you do?
@Wingedmechanic
@Wingedmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
Not Air India. If they can fix it with duct tape, they fix and they fly.
@confusedredditor1660
@confusedredditor1660 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wingedmechanic really? I hope you're in aviation to be able to put out an accusation like that
@Wingedmechanic
@Wingedmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
@@confusedredditor1660 I am not. But You don't have to be. Just see how that company came down from being the National carrier to be up for sales. Mismanagement was rampant and the various stories of strikes and other incidents say plenty about the company.
@anonymous9843
@anonymous9843 Жыл бұрын
@@confusedredditor1660 air india when it cma rin goverments hand got thrown into the garbage like Pakistan airlines one got destroyed when it came in government at a fast regar while the other got slowly destroyed by government but air india is now saved as it has gone back to its real parent company tata which is gonna bring it back to its glory while Pia is endlessly gonna be exploited till it gets sucked dry pia before 200 was a top air line which even helped make Emirates what it is today but is now filled with poeple based on relationship with ministers and is poorly maintained and air india was same a year ago but go acquired by it's parent company again
@wyskass861
@wyskass861 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how often a power gradient between Captain and FO exists in these crash videos. As has been my personal experience with both Chinese and Indian professional cultures, there is great deference paid to job titles and age, where you don't question a boss. Surely there are many non western cultures like that. While in can simply be a personal difference and debated, in aviation it's clearly not a good dynamic. The whole point of two pilots is for safety from cross checks and two minds. You don't need a second pilot if they are just there to flip switches.
@billwynne27
@billwynne27 2 жыл бұрын
I LIVED IN ASIA FOR 13 YEARS, WE WERE LOADING 50 TONS WITH TWO CRANES. I SPOTTED SOMETHING AND TOLD MY AIDE TO STOP IMMEDIATELY, HE RAN TO CRANE CHIEF BUT PATIENTLY AS HE WAS SPEAKING TO ANOTHER PERSON, I'M YELLING, GIVING HAND SIGNALS TO STOP. THE CHIEF TURNED AROUND MY AIDE BOWED, THEN TOLD HIM.😇
@wrongturnVfor
@wrongturnVfor 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that there is great deference to age and job titles in some cultures but to suggest "there are many non western cultures like that" is just wierd. There are plenty of cases where non western cultures have shown very good CRM and many where western cultures have shown similar power dynamic problems.
@NitinMathewGeorge
@NitinMathewGeorge Жыл бұрын
Yes a subscription from Kerala, India. Earlier I used to watch but just be casual but when I saw something detailed that happened in my province from you which was technically detailed and uncovered by media, I have a sign of respect for you. Also thanks for giving a detailed and genuine video.
@balajisharathkumar9753
@balajisharathkumar9753 3 жыл бұрын
hi, mentour love ur explanation of the accident investigation I love this type of video. beautiful explanation video and informative video. My advice to upcoming pilots, please don't avoid or skip the sop's, it is very mandatory to follow sop's properly every person should have situational awareness in any type of situation you're in this will help you to recover from the cause or mishaps which lead to such accidents or incidents
@rickycunningham6368
@rickycunningham6368 3 жыл бұрын
First class video as always team, honestly the amount of detail you guys put into this is amazing,and you explaining it as a pilot giving his perspective on it is great, this is why quality wins over quantity, and more people will be engaged and watched it through rather then just a few mins of it, and for you putting these vids out shows how much you care about aviation and your followers and subscribers in general by putting content out whilst being rostered and maintain such good quality production is great. I'm sure we'd rather wait until it's been edited to the best possible standard rather then rush it and end up omiting details which are important
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That’s exactly what I was hoping you would think. I’m glad you found the video interesting, make sure to share it with your friends on social media, it really helps me and the team to get the word out!
@dominicMcAfee
@dominicMcAfee 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing comment. Thanks bud!
@Astro37x
@Astro37x Жыл бұрын
As a person who has taken off and landed in CCJ, the tabletop is a pretty frithtening experience
@OrbitalRose_01
@OrbitalRose_01 3 жыл бұрын
That kind of indecision and thinking of multiple different things to possibly do at the same time but committing to none is exactly the kind of thought processes that I get when I'm experiencing low blood sugar, and this video really underscores that as a main reason I have never considered going for a pilots license. I'm very happy to stay here on the ground and work on the engineering side of things instead.
@Doubleelforbes
@Doubleelforbes 3 жыл бұрын
How better to describe this video than: "Absolutely Fantastic" !
@flagmichael
@flagmichael 3 жыл бұрын
Dominic McAfee's editing really makes the videos shine. They are like top quality training videos now.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! ❤️
@user-tf4ho2uo1e
@user-tf4ho2uo1e Жыл бұрын
I love Mentour Pilot. You can tell he just loves aviation and cares deeply about the not only the overall safety standards of the industry, but the safety of all the individuals flying, working on, and riding in the planes.
@rocketwontoo5073
@rocketwontoo5073 3 жыл бұрын
I like how you view these incidents/accidents in that you look at whole picture of what happened and show how everything has to line up for this to happen. When we look at one small piece of the puzzle we get tunnel vision and miss the whole picture of what lead up to what happened.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m trying to do, glad you liked it
@22vx
@22vx 3 жыл бұрын
I'm adding this vid to my aviation ✈ downloads. I thoroughly enjoy your expert detailed analytical breakdowns and presentations. Thanks Mentour!
@ChristianDeysson
@ChristianDeysson 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is just phenomenally competent and professional. Thanks to the producer.
@seegurke93
@seegurke93 3 жыл бұрын
As a B737-800 FO Minute 26+ really made me cry. I feel for the FO very much. You always have to stay on the tip of your toe, especially in the critical phases.
@BigWheelHawaii
@BigWheelHawaii 3 жыл бұрын
This Channel Has IMPROVED 1000% Over The Last Year,,,
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That’s what we are trying to do. Great to have you here and interacting!
@concierge7574
@concierge7574 3 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot My friend who's a commercial flight instructor + teaches at at FIT, suggests to his students to watch your educational videos "as a treat." He said they love them! He said some of the students who are chosen by their country for this flight program have some challenges in it, + in the beginning some don't realize how procedural it is. There are some cultural + educational differences, of which Petter is well aware of, I'm sure.
@vijayansinnasamy5611
@vijayansinnasamy5611 11 ай бұрын
I am not a pilot. But the videos in Mentour Pilot have impressed me a lot. The thoroughness of the investigations and the clear explanation on the chain of events are impressive. I will definitely continue to watch other episodes in this channel. It's amazing to note how pilot's personalities play such an important role in the safety of a flight. I find it interesting to compare the accounts of accidents and near misses from these videos to those I am exposed to in the manufacturing industry and find many fudamental similarities. The only difference is that loss of lives is more than often in safety excursion on board aircrafts.
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