Airbus A320 takes off the WRONG way! Air Arabia flight 111

[@MentourPilot]

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[@darrellshoub7527]

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[@BobbyGeneric145]

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[@mr88cet]

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[@olajonshammar9964]

It seems like they only deliver to USA, Canada and UK. :-(

[@mr88cet]

@@olajonshammar9964, ah, bummer… They’re a pretty small New-York company, IIRC, so I guess that’s not surprising.

[@markmuir7338]

I understand how the flight crew felt here. I entered the circuit the wrong way once during my military training. It was my 4th flight of the day, and the runway direction had changed just before that flight. A weather check request came in just as I was entering the circuit, which didn't seem like a problem at the time, but the increase in workload made me not check the runway direction and instead I just went the direction I had in the previous 3 flights of that day. I only noticed the mistake when I saw a fast jet flying the opposite circuit, which really startled me - I immediately did a half orbit and announced the mistake and action to ATC. When I got back to the hanger, I was surprised I wasn't yelled at, but instead I was calmly asked whether the weather call had been a contributing factor. That's why I love aviation!

[@millomweb]

"hangar" Hangers are for coats.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@millomweb And for bad spellers.

[@villiamo3861]

@@millomweb No, not just coats! For pedants, too! To show that they would always proof-read their predictive text, rather than simply tell a good story where everyone knows what you mean, even at the huge cost of - omg! - a typo.

[@DiscusRussell]

@@villiamo3861 For pedants, too! This made me smile

[@millomweb]

@@villiamo3861 Typo or ignorance ?

[@larry4111]

I just have to say that as a frequent flyer (who used to know very little about the manufacturing, maintenance, or operations of aircraft before binge watching Mentour) I truly have a different perspective when I get on an airplane now. I never realized just how much is going on in the cockpit (and in ATC) while we're just sitting there in the cabin. I will never take it for granted. I have a newfound appreciation and respect for air crews because of these videos.

[@cdd4248]

Hahahaha! I was just thinking the same-

[@timothybradek3560]

Likewise.. dido from me as well. He's the best instructor by far of anyone I've had the pleasure of sitting under. That, plus aviation has always fasinated me, and like you, I too, have been "binge watching Mentour". Though, I can't agree w/ flying commercial... I think I'd be better off not knowing as much, having my mind race the whole time w/ "what if's". But then again.. I don't really know, not yet having been up. Thank you.

[@dittohead7044]

Same. Always grateful for as many flights that I’ve been on have been mostly “normal”

[@kentslocum]

Definitely wish I could loan my brain capacity to the flight crew while I'm onboard!

[@fairyprincess911]

Need to translate that respect to the ones who fight, punch and spit😼😽

[@joedenada8600]

When I was learning to fly, probably 30 hours total flight time, I was in a Cessna 172. I had my instructor in the front seat and my dad in the backseat. My dad was in the air force, and I was nervous and excited to show my dad I was a good pilot. I lived in a major metropolitan area, and we were doing touch-and-goes at about six different airports around the city. At one of the airports, I was cleared for runway 22R. I entered the pattern, did the downwind leg, turned base. I'm confidently flying the base leg, and my instructor asks, "Are you going to turn final yet?" "Nope, not yet." Two seconds go by, and he asks again, "Are you turning final yet?" "Not quite yet," I respond. He immediately says, "My airplane," and turns final. As he starts the turn, I'm trying to figure out why he took command. Not long into the turn, I saw why. Yep, I'd been going for 22L, not 22R. Thankfully my instructor was alert because that could have been bad. He told me anytime I was given a runway to land on, I should immediately visually pick out that runway to avoid that happening again. Great advice. My dad mildly teased me about it and called it a good learning moment. I still think he was proud of me for learning to fly - at least, I hope so.

[@WhEE443]

Ah man. I can imagine wanting to impress your dad could be a recipe for mistakes. Glad your instructor was paying attention.

[@stoegerstewie8351]

Man your dad must've enjoyed those Cessna rides with you more than flying for the air force.

[@ENVYof7]

i proud of you

[@Jimmy911ism]

How did you mistake R for L?

[@joedenada8600]

@@Jimmy911ism I mistook L for R. Although I didn't really mistake it - I know left from right - but I zeroed in on it. I heard the tower say 22R, and when I turned base, the first thing I saw was 22L, and I just zeroed in on it because that's what I saw first. I *should* have visually identified 22L and 22R as soon as they cleared me for 22R. That way, I would have been sure headed for the correct runway. Thankfully my instructor was paying attention, and there was no harm, no foul, and I learned a valuable lesson. The only thing hurt that day was my pride.

[@Thewinner312]

I really like the fact that you do both crashed and non-fatal incidents in the same playlist. That way there is always some suspense on what's gonna happen.

[@werk62]

I actually feel the opposite. Personally, some days I don't want to hear sad stories. I wish he would put some kind of note in the thumbnail or the title that differentiated fatal and non-fatal accidents.

[@Ice.muffin]

Agreed entirely Max!!

[@biyancuh]

I actually really would love for them to be separate playlists! I really have to be in the right mood for the bad ones and ends up make me avoid watching the videos

[@OTrizy]

i check on google everytime and continue watching the non fatal ones, occasionally watching the fatal ones

[@pf7992]

😊

[@AtulBhatia]

I’ve flown into Sharjah a number of times and frankly, the taxi time from the terminal to the B14 holding point is far too short for a single-engine taxi. Considering that the traffic in Sharjah is usually very light, and the fact that there’s a trainee with less than 100 hours on type would be all the more reason to be prudent and start both engines during pushback. This is where a Threat Forward briefing would’ve really come in handy. I know it’s much easier to say so in hindsight, but having the trainer say “we’ve been operating from runway 12 the last few days, but we must keep in mind that it’s flipped today” could have made the threat more obvious.

[@henkjanvanraikonnen5073]

Isn't this a mortal sin in aviation? Wrong side runway. Ignoring several warnings and instead of rectifying this mega blunder by aborting the take-off, aggravating the situation. It is incomprehensible that this is still possible and will happen in 2022.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, indeed.

[@thepianoman1010]

@@henkjanvanraikonnen5073 Yes.... it is!

[@charlestoast4051]

@@henkjanvanraikonnen5073 Indeed. It sounded like there were many other errors, and even unawareness of what had happened, or even that anything bad might have happened. Note to self - don't fly Air Arabia!

[@flydog58]

@@charlestoast4051 Almost always a chain of events that cause accidents/incidents. If any of the links of that chain are broken, it doesn't happen.

[@tombriggman2875]

I noticed that it appears the pilot in command never briefed which way to turn for the intersection departure, especially as the FO was in training. Additionally, the intersection departure and rolling take off should have been extensively briefed as it was her first. Thanks for the great presentation.

[@easterworshipper5579]

how does somebody with less than 160 hours total flytime land a gig flying an a320??

[@tims2986]

@@easterworshipper5579 MPL courses, where the candidate is specifically trained from zero to be a A320 first officer, they are only qualified for this role and don’t receive the traditional light aircraft training and ppl/cpl etc of more traditional pilot pathways. The Air Arabia method is probably the most extreme I’ve seen where the cadet is purely trained in theory and on simulators before flying the actual A320.

[@corolex]

@@easterworshipper5579 due to woke culture and liberal influence

[@CS_247]

@@tims2986 Crazy... Learn to fly on a computer, and then be responsible for passenger transport... With NO stick and rudder skills. I am a PPL with 350 hours and cannot imagine being in charge of a 320.

[@EuskaltelEuskadi]

@@corolex are you saying the UAE is a hotbed of woke liberalism? lmao

[@miridium121]

Your attitude of "the important thing is not who is guilty, but why it happened and how we can prevent dangerous situations in the future" is such a constructive way of looking at any incident, aviation related or not. I hope there are many of us coming out from watching these videos not only informed on a technical level, but with a better way of handling situations in our own fields of work.

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

Brutally killing off a culture where saving a reputation at all costs and covering up incidents is accepted would be the best first step.

[@blessedforever1424]

I absolutely agree !!!!!!!!!

[@GuyNamedSean]

Honestly, yes. Just watching his channel and being exposed to his approach toward problem solving has actually made me feel better about mistakes I make in real life.

[@raerohan4241]

​@@GuyNamedSean Honestly, this is the only way problem-solving should be approached. When people start thinking about who to blame, they completely neglect actually solving the problem(s) that may have led to that individual make the mistake. Of course, sometimes the individual is at fault, but at this point troubleshooting should be looking at how someone who wasn't fit to fly was able to occupy a seat in the cockpit in the first place.

[@ghall05]

Your use of the simulator to recreate the incidents in your videos is truly remarkable! It really takes the video to a whole new level when we can actual see what you are describing (both the overall situation and also in the cockpit). I always learn a lot from your videos!

[@avkna1830]

which sim is it or is it an animation

[@larnregis]

@@avkna1830 I assume they may actually use footage from a real flight simulator. I doubt there's a game/sim out there sophisticated enough, to simulate all these tiny details like taxi/runway markings, lights, all cockpit instruments etc. Though I would love to be proven wrong and get my hands on such a sim. :D

[@thesteelrodent1796]

@@larnregis not sure about this video specifically, but he does use a lot of footage from FS2020 which is actually incredibly detailed, and does have fully modelled cockpits where everything works

[@sgtjonzo]

@@larnregis id say most simulators these days look like this or better

[@MTGeomancer]

@@larnregis Most of his videos comes from Microsoft Flight Simulator. He's a 737-800 pilot, not an Airbus pilot, as well. Real flight simulators are ... well ... real. The cockpit part that is. All of the controls, all of the buttons, all of the displays, they're the real physical parts from the real physical plane.

[@mandisaplaylist]

6:00 I as a passenger once experienced an unusual rolling takeoff when the takeoff thrust was set when the aircraft was still on the taxiway perpendicular to the runway. The thrust threw the aircraft forward, the pilot sharply lined it with the runway and took off. It only happened once in the 50 or so flights that I went through.

[@maximusg88]

Yeah I experienced that a couple of times, too

[@Andrew-fg6zk]

This is the pilot equivalent of "if we never talk about it again, it never happened!" Great video, Petter!

[@g_pazzini]

i know what you did last summer 😆

[@fadyal-qaisy5213]

Never fly with a female pilot, imagine your captain being incapacitated and startled in such a situation

[@kristie_ell]

@@fadyal-qaisy5213 gender has nothing to do with it. In the other video Petter mentions at the end (involving Frenchbee), the pilot who froze up is male. Sexism has no place in aviation or the world.

[@kristie_ell]

@@fadyal-qaisy5213 No it doesn't. You're clearly just a misogynist. There are tons of good female pilots and plenty of bad male ones. There are also plenty of men who aren't qualified to be pilots. It's 2022 not 1922.

[@VladimirNicolici]

@@fadyal-qaisy5213 On Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 Tammie Jo Shults, a female captain, had an uncontained failure on an engine, fragments of the engine penetrated the aircraft cabin resulting in an explosive decompression, one of the passengers was sucked out of a window, the aircraft became very hard to control, she had to do an emergency descent, and she still didn't get incapacitated. I would love flying with her as a captain, if she didn't decide it was time for a well deserved retirement. Then we have male pilots that crashed perfectly good aircraft, like the gear up landing attempt of Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303, where the pilots ignored they were too high and fast, tried to land anyway, despite the ATC recommendation, and forgot to lower the landing gear. And they were so fast during their landing attempt that the aircraft didn't even give them any warning about the landing gear, since the people that designed the aircraft never thought a pilot would be foolish enough to attempt to land at such a high speed. And, instead of attempting to stop, they took off after damaging the engines by dragging them on the runway. Many people died due to their mistakes. But forget history, even on the flight discussed in this video, the junior female pilot made just one mistake. However, the experienced male pilot made a lot of mistakes, some at least as serious, if not more serious than hers. Anyway, in conclusion gender is irrelevant when the task you have to perform doesn't depend on your physical strength or reaction time measured in milliseconds.

[@adebayoapapa6006]

A startled pilot, "startle" feeling of shock or alarm. As a new first officer on the MD 80 I suffered from this after my first 18 landings. I have seen situations were being startled led the first officer to loose confidence and ultimately led to him leaving the pilot career. I do hope the first officer of the Air Arabia flight is fine. Thanks Petter I love your videos and would love to fly with you one day.

[@tlangdon12]

Older captains are much further away from their own experience of learning to fly, so might not realise the full impact of a mistake that the FO might think is career-limiting. However, allowing the FO to complete the flight would be an example of encouraging the FO (akin to getting straight back on the horse that has just throw you). A supportive debreif, and electing to return as passengers would have been the best route, but the returning flight was made safely. Petter didn't mention who flew the return flight, but I've assuming it was the Captain as he did the walkaround.

[@SenorCrazylegs]

Selecting flap 2 in that situation saved all of their lives. Incident aside, that's a god pilot move and you love to see it.

[@nickpapagiorgio5056]

I really love that you do not point any fingers or criticize anyone when it comes to these accidents. It would be very easy to in some cases but you still make sure it does not result in a blame game at the end but instead like you said in the beginning; Why this happened and what can be learned from this incident. This is one of the many reason why I really like this channel Petter!

[@mapleext]

Investigating in an impartial and scientific way and not looking for blame - that’s a good life lesson. I imagine more learning and trust develop in that kind of atmosphere.

[@bradsanders407]

Why this happened? Severe incompetence by the first officer and gross incompetence by the captain. I mean you don't need to point any fingers.

[@nickpapagiorgio5056]

@@bradsanders407 I agree facts are facts she absolutely made a mistake which was mentioned at the end that we all make them and can be incompetent at times unfortunately no one is perfect even pilots. I would argue the captain was way more incompetent for not aborting and correcting the first officer

[@thepianoman1010]

@@bradsanders407 Agree completely!

[@thepianoman1010]

@@nickpapagiorgio5056 Nobody is looking for perfection .. only competence .. and that wasn't had by either of these pilots here!

[@brizv]

Happens with me few times a year when I follow the route to office, even though it’s a Holliday and I’m with family. It’s like brain has an autopilot which takes over when you are over worked. Shows how it is extremely important to follow procedures !

[@maleficent3333]

yeah same, i take wrong route , despite of knowing where i am suppose to go, my brain goes like: "well you always drive that way, let me help you out lol"

[@Marc443]

Lining up in to wromg direction is one thing, but the decision to continue instead of a reject with 57kts is an absolute desaster.

[@nobodydoesithalfasgoodasyou]

I agree. That is a very grave error of judgment. The aircraft has immense braking power able to swallow many multiples of the kinetic energy it had at that moment. In behaving as if there was an emergency when there wasn't one he precipitated an actual emergency.

[@oystercatcher943]

Yes kinetic energy is proportional to speed^2 so stopping at slow speed is way way easier, as you know even with a car!

[@kazansky22]

As an air traffic controller I can tell you, this happens much more often then you would think.

[@cronos1.2_sqrt5.2]

Then why don't you simply stop them? I know it's "air" traffic, but you don't know what happens on the ground? Do you have a "ground" control for that instead?

[@beverlyrutherford1833]

Don’t y’all see that.

[@redboyjan]

Good job you have radar to spot it. Seems mad there is no lighting path for the flight to follow

[@brucelee9243]

@@cronos1.2_sqrt5.2 he's lying.

[@jsmariani4180]

Reason number 325 not to fly.

[@jamesj2509]

A note about the ATC reaction: Sharjah Airport has only Aerodrome (TWR) control on site. Departure control is part of Dubai Approach, located about 50km away at Al Maktoum International (DWC/OMDW). The Departure controller had a lot of internal coordination to conduct in a hurry as an expected departure had suddenly appeared in the Arrivals sector, heading into the teeth of traffic bound for Dubai International. Resolving those conflictions was the immediate ATC concern. The time available to get information from Sharjah TWR was extremely limited, and there was simply no reason for ATC to suspect anything was wrong with the aircraft. I doubt Dubai Departures (in this case, the Deps North sector) was aware that ABY111 had used so little of the runway; even if Sharjah TWR had said on the phone "they took off 12 from B14" this would not have meant anything to a Deps controller who had no reason to know the Sharjah taxiway and holding point layout. Without information to suggest an aircraft fault, once ABY111 was separated from traffic the Deps controller did what was expected and routed the aircraft to the appropriate CTA exit point.

[@sandeepmehta5311]

This is my concern, if the captain knew they are flying in wrong direction, even if runway length was enough, you could be flying in direction where aircraft may be arriving towards you. Very scary as a PAX like me who fly G9 regularly from Sharjah

[@tlangdon12]

@@sandeepmehta5311 TCAS would provide a second safety net, but the first safety net should have been a prompt call to ATC.

[@hadesflames]

It's crazy to me that every single aircraft just about these days has direct satellite connection for internet access...but the CVR/FDR don't get automatically uploaded to airline servers...Like the full amount of data for the entire flight, not just the last 30 minutes could be stored for every single flight easily. But they just don't?

[@DimaBlazhko]

This is more likely because of possible “hacker attacks”. If these systems would be somehow connected there would have been a possibility that someone manages to fly or interrupt normal operation of the aircraft remotely. That is why everything is stored only inside the airplane itself.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Also sattelite internet has neither amazing bandwith nor latency. According to a number from 2017 there are around 9700 planes airborne at any given time. That is at least 19400 recordings for a typical 2 crew/cockpit flight. Even with a modern codec like opus at decent quality that means around 5.8 GB/minute. Added to that comes the input data. At that point, might as well just put more storage into the flight recorder. It's not like data density isn't increasing. I still have a fulll size 256 MB SD card, and yet the microSD in my phone is 500 times that size for about a tenth of the size. I have no idea what kind of media is used inside the flight recorders, but for sure they could increase data density. But then, it's probably important to be rewritable for the next flight, and shock resistant, flash storage fails at the first and mechanical hard drives at the later.

[@bend1119]

ITS THE PILOTS UNIONS! They fought very hard to not even have the CVR when it was introduced. and the compromise was only records 2 hrs

[@cronos1.2_sqrt5.2]

@@bend1119 Privacy first, no room for safety left.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@bend1119 that’s not true at all

[@bronsonmx]

One little note, in airbus 320 you start engine 2 first due to the hydraulic systems , the brakes are supplied by the hydraulic system powered by engine 2

[@kolorado7260]

iirc BA start the number 1 engine first

[@Miku-uw2sl]

I may be wrong but I think engine 1 is usually used for a single engine taxi and an electric hydraulic pump powers the yellow hydraulic system, in place of engine 2

[@Winda25]

Ummm and if engine 2 fails then plane has no hydraulic breaks??

[@deeperlayer]

@@Winda25 there is an electric hydraulic system

[@ogaibo1316]

Only the parking brake is powered by the yellow hydraulic system (Eng. No. 2), the normal brakes sit on the green system (Eng. No. 1). The aircraft has an accumulator tank for hydraulic pressure, wich will be filled by the cargo door operations. So it is perfectly fine, and also benefitial actually, to start Eng. No. 1 first. That way, during single engine taxi, you can run the yellow electric hyd. pump in conjunction with Eng. No. 1, so you dont have to listen to the PTU during taxi.

[@vasicp]

In my private pilot training, fairly early on, it was drilled into my mind that as soon as I line up with the runway, I do a verbal check "Active runway 3-0; magnetic compass 3-0; numbers on the runway 3-0". In this particular case, numbers on the runway were well behind her, but compass heading would have immediately told here that she was going the wrong way.

[@hijzybhat2139]

What bullshit are u talking

[@geebee-oh2nx]

This is no bullshit. Are u a GA Pilot? No then shut up I was looking for this comment. I planned to write it. I was drilled too for this magnetcompas check.

[@maxcfi7718]

you had a good cfi

[@joshuastewart9604]

Exactly how I was taught 30 years ago and continue to use today. When lining-up, check both compass & DI match the runway heading.

[@toriless]

@@geebee-oh2nx Too bad you can not spell since it really undercuts your ability to check for errors even if it is just a "commend" and not a comment. SE NE just a letter different.

[@bengarltic4074]

The captain is the perfect example that many times ANY decision executed immediately is better than no decision. Reject was obviously the right answer, but the agressive go decision gave them just enough performance to make it work.

[@kristinawhorey3837]

How would you know F2 is going to work? It made them strike the light post. What if they ran aground?

[@UnshavenStatue]

and the presence of mind to add some flaps. he's most at fault, as captain and for going, but given that he was going, at least he did the going right

[@koborkutya7338]

that captain is a perfect example of many things but none of them suggests he should be a training captain - or a captain, in the first place.

[@murraystewartj]

This is a great example of how just one weak link in the chain stresses all the other ones. One small error, when combined with other factors can lead to disaster. It's not abut blame but about making sure every link in the chain is as strong as possible, and learning, learning, learning. That's why commercial aviation is so safe.

[@bradsanders407]

And getting rid of that link. Which I hope for their passengers safety they did.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

@@bradsanders407 bad pilots never make mistakes

[@57thorns]

I think you need to look at a few more of the videos on this channel. It is not a link, it is a "swiss cheese sieve". It is not about _one_ thing going wrong creating a disaster, it is about _anything_ going right and disaster is averted.

[@perry4003]

Great video Captain. Balanced and well explained. How true, everyone can make mistakes. That's why in every industry SOP and further upgrades are implemented. Constant training and building experience are growing our safety.

[@MentourPilot]

Correct, that’s what we are trying to do.

[@randymctavish3728]

Whats crazy is technology-based advancements seem to be counter balance by declining general intelligence 🤔

[@brettstewart948]

@@PatRick1981-s1w wow!

[@MegaSnow121]

@@PatRick1981-s1w Really?

[@allansemah2477]

@Mentour Pilot Please check out my request to look into that video

[@JacquesZahar]

A nice video as ever, thank you Peter! Just a small precision @12:45: In fact, RWY mode is not displayed on the FMA when the runway in use has no ILS/LOC active. So this can be an indirect indication, but not really the plane telling us that we are taking off in the wrong direction as you mentioned. If the ILS/LOC signal is not activated by ATC for the active runway, RWY would not appear on the FMA even when taking off in the correct direction. FCOM extract: ----- The RWY mode uses the LOC signal to guide the aircraft on the runway centerline while the aircraft is on the ground. The PFD displays the FD yaw bar and the FMA displays "RWY". RWY mode disengages if: ‐ The LOC signal is lost below 30 ft RA or the aircraft heading and the runway heading differ by more than 20 °. ‐ Another lateral mode is engaged. Note: If the takeoff runway has no ILS, RWY mode is not available and the PFD does not display the yaw bar nor "RWY" on FMA.

[@TheLastPhoen1x]

Just imagined how hard it is to make a split-second decision to abort or continue the takeoff if your V1 is calculated for completely different runway.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

if you looked at instruments 1 sec ago

[@radioace318la]

They were nowhere near V1 before one of the pilots woke up. Then to make such a poor decision when there was more than enough room to abort is quite inexcusable IMHO.

[@thepianoman1010]

@@radioace318la With you completely!

[@kirstinmckeown3581]

Less so if you've used that unplanned runway for the last three days in a row.

[@Inferryu]

@@radioace318la It only took 25 seconds for the Aircraf from the moment it entered the runway, to liftoff(wheels not touching the ground). Rejecting a take off considers the fact that you have the rest of the runway to break the aircraft, now, simulations AFTER the incident showed that it was possible for the plane to break within the reduced space, but one often tends to forget that the people involved may not know what an outsider knows.

[@matthijs73]

One thing I will never understand is why safety features like RAAS are optional, how is that even a thing?

[@MentourPilot]

Good question

[@yadt]

Airports have operated for decades before things like RAAS existed. It's impractical to expect every airport in the world to install it immediately.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

They cost money, and they make the manufacturer money. And it's the same with your car. So many modern safety equipment exists and yet it is often optional on cars. Why? Because those systems are expensive and we still need cars at the bottom of the market. And there are so many warning systems that are optional. For example the fact that your AOA sensors disagree does not come with a default warning to pilots and engineers but that was (and maybe still is) optional and might have contributed to the Lion Air crash which in turn helped expose the issues with MCAS.

[@matmay]

@@yadt it's just installed on the plane and uses GPS and compass only

[@yadt]

@@matmay ok, I was confusing it with things like ground surveillance radar and controlled taxiway lighting etc., But the same point stands, just replace "airport" with "aircraft".

[@beleaaaaa]

Thanks! I ve watched all of your videos! legend!

[@MentourPilot]

Awesome, thats great to hear!

[@NetAndyCz]

I always thought it impossible to mistake runways, especially the opposite way, which has different numbers and all. But during my PPL training I (nearly) just did that. I realized my mistake in time to correct it without an issue, but an airport I was fairly familiar with changed the direction of runway because of the wind and I read back the new runway when approaching and still aimed for the wrong circuit... for the opposing runway. Somehow my brain had certain expectations and distorted what I was hearing and seeing to make it fit. Now I am surprised there is not more of these incidents.

[@KuostA]

confirmation bias.

[@NetAndyCz]

@@KuostA That too, but more of complacency and expectation bias.

[@PlayshotKalo]

Yeah when you're doing a lot at once while directions and management aren't always clear cut, it's really easy to make mistakes. Especially for someone new who isn't fully familiar with the flow of operations yet.

[@NetAndyCz]

@PJ Train Oh I remember, it was quite impressive that they have managed to land on that short runway, but it must have been really bad for the pilot when he realised he is at the wrong airport and he was talking to the wrong tower. It is a really useful reminder of always doublechecking everything.

[@timo4258]

To be honest these kind of mistakes seem so easy to make that idk how you would even successfully train against it.

[@asystole_]

For another "runway confusion" incident, there's Comair 5191. They took off at night from an unlit runway that ended up being the wrong one and was far too short. They crashed into a berm and some trees beyond the end of the runway and the only person to survive was the FO, who was pilot flying.

[@Vogel612]

There is a master's thesis on that accident that uses a different investigation procedure to the usual NTSB reports. Lots of fancy recommendations from that.

[@5552515]

How about Wayne County 1990?

[@ivanquaglio2242]

i rather be dead than living knowing of how many lifes are gone for a mistake of mine

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, a very well known crash.

[@bradsanders407]

@@ivanquaglio2242 quit you're lying

[@abdurrehmanmehmood5440]

Can we talk about how neat and detailed the animations of the aircraft are? Great work Captain. And your team of course. Beautiful.

[@Joze1090]

I'm pretty sure it's Microsoft flight simulator 😊

[@JohnDoe-tx8lq]

They could have landed again straight away, but with the 2nd pilot so stressed, it would be better for both to calm down during the flight rather than land again when they were distracted and unsure of what had gone wrong, since the plane appeared to be flying fine. Maybe. 🙂

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed, I thought the same.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

aviate navigate communicate

[@JohnDoe-tx8lq]

@Alfred Weber Neither the Tower or the Flight Crew where aware they'd hit anything until the broken light was noticed later on. 14:43

[@JohnDoe-tx8lq]

@Alfred Weber 😆 oh my God.

[@braindeadlogan230]

@Alfred Weber so what do you suggest? The flight crew should open the door mid-flight and inspect it themselves?

[@maximvf]

This reminded me of '00s in Russian civil aviation. Some ingenious managers introduced new bonus awarding rules for pilots, where fuel ecomony became KPI #1. Not safety compliance, not skills, not training/exam performance, but fuel. This essentially penalized flying pilots for any TO/GA, rejected takeoff, weather diversion, aircraft de-icing etc. Due to amount of pressure and 'tunnel vision', 'racing to win points', several similar incidents followed. Possibly there should be some checklist for airline management to prevent similar practices.

[@krashd]

Which is ironic since Russia has enough natural resources to fuel a plane all the way to Alpha Centauri and back.

[@toriless]

de-icing can take longer than it should

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@toriless Yes, but Air Florida flight 90 shows why de-icing matters.

[@martenkahr3365]

@@krashd Russia might have the resources, but the oil companies are going to sell the fuel to whoever pays most, which means Russian aviation companies still largely had to pay the same as any other aviation company for their fuel. And even if they did get preferential deals, the business execs of 00s Russia had risen to prominence during the wild west capitalism that swept through Russia in the 90s and were still heavily influenced by how things worked in those days. Which means all they saw was "less fuel spent = less expenses = more profits".

[@andreypetrov4868]

@@krashd The only natural resources Russia lacks badly is HR. Smart professionals leave the country in hundreds of thousands every year. And yes, Russian managers are idiots because of negative selection based on favouritism based on ties of blood.

[@tombrumbers5306]

22 years in the RAF as a ground support engineer , in my time we went from a blame culture to a just culture flight safety improved across the board. In 2017 I went on a three year tour with the USMC it was like stepping back in time. Same technology same training totally different approach to flight safety we would sit there and shake our heads, no wonder they lose so many jets!

[@ChrisRRT]

Fly the Learjet 60 right now but in March I start my A320 type rating with frontier! I am excited and nervous for my first airline job. Thank you for these videos they are so helpful for better judgement and prevention.

[@Dovietail]

I don't know. I'm not a pilot, but the idea of taking just a moment to make sure you have all your ducks in a row before you hit it seems like a reasonable idea to me.

[@patagualianmostly7437]

Well, I'm no pilot either, Gloria,.... but I'd have thought there would be a mega alert as power was applied, to warn that the take-off heading and the actual heading were 180° out of compliance....even to the point of auto power shut off ???? All those computers that cannot spot a basic human error?

[@TheDiner50]

@@patagualianmostly7437 To have the plane act out when the pilots do something it think is wrong is also bad. And as said in the video. There are system the plane can be equipped with to warn the pilots. And there are 2! 2 pilots to make sure BIG mistakes are not allowed to happen. Yet the captain did not notice that the plane was going the wrong way AND that the runway was looking to short? Doing something with computers or whatever that was distracting from making sure that the the aircraft was not going the wrong way??? It is kinda odd that there are not 3 pilots mandatory for flying anything but small propeller aircraft's.The 3th role being to do tasks and observe the hole situation. Tune radio channels or whatever tasks to unburden the ones flying the airplane. They might even not be trained to fly the aircraft as a pilot but be knowledgeable enough to give the alarms and do checklists. Did aircraft's in the passed not have a 3th one monitoring and managing the engines or whatever there task where? Why where they removed? That seems safe. Why make flying more affordable? Safety and the environment impact should make flying reserved to be done expensively but well and no risk of planes going down over where people live ect. Dump fuel into nature and pollute in general for no real good reason. What can a airplane do that trains and such can't? Really nothing but speed up travel/transport. And that is a BAD reason to burn the worst stuff possible just to save time. The energy needed to lift many tons into the air makes little sense unless we talk about helicopters that act like cranes or fire fighting etc.

[@giftofthewild6665]

Yeah maybe a brand new FO shouldn't have been given a rolling takeoff to do. Maybe giving a newbie a few seconds to pause and check they are where they should be before proceeding is a better idea.

[@SenatorFain]

Thanks!

[@Ninjalectual]

A lot of these incidents seem to happen when some ground infrastructure is offline due to maintenance: the control tower, runway lights, a radio antenna...

[@tylisirn]

Because if it wasn't offline, it's one more check that can catch the error before it happens and then it's not even an event.

[@ZuperSofus]

Thank you Petter for all your interesting and entertaining videos. Love them. To me, as virtual pilot only, intersection runway signage is confusing - Runway location sign at 8:42 shows RW 12 at left, RW 30 at right - which I would read as "turn right for RW 30" - which is clearly not the case here.

[@Cecily-Pimprenelle]

It kind of _is_ the case, though... since it indicates where the _beginning_ of the runway is. But I guess it could have been misread because of confirmation biais.

[@rossxxxx]

I second that, the signage is less than intuitive and is totally counter to road signage. I am sure that pilots are used to it but surely signs should point to where you want to go to not where you want to start from. Considering that there are starts from intersections and there is no mandate to go to the beginning of the runway then the signage is positively misleading. If I was her I would have turned right too.

[@ysesq]

@@rossxxxx think of it as a cross street sign --12-->-

[@kokkeibunni07]

I hope this FO continued her training because I bet shes even more safety conscious than she was before. ❤️

[@johann.desouza]

I love your videos, Petter! So well produced and extremely informative!!

[@MentourPilot]

Thank you Johann! So glad you like them and thank you for your support.

[@Swolelol]

I’ve flown a few times and hate it each time. I’m scared to death. So I’ve been doing my homework and learning more about flying thanks to your videos. My next flight is in two weeks and I’m slowly getting more and more ready for this trip. Thank you for everything and I’m always open for anymore advice

[@NotSrijan]

There is no industry that pays as much attention to safety as aviation does. Every freak mistake that happens is reviewed a hundred times by twenty different organisations and then shared with every flight related organisation on the planet so they can train others. Every flight is monitored by at least one if not two experienced pilots and by experienced I mean thousands of hours in flight. I understand your fear and it’s a common one and may not entirely be resolved by mere talk. But for what it’s worth you’re in the hands of some of the greatest minds of our planet.

[@larryroyovitz7829]

I assume you've sincen flown...how was it?

[@lynnkriedemann6855]

i haven't flown for years (covid!) and am a vey nervous flyer, so like you I am trying to desensitise myself before my next flight in 3 weeks!

[@mortgageapprovals8933]

can you be specific? exactly which part of flying is "scary". The drive to the airport? Checking in your luggage? Waiting to board? Sitting on a chair while the airplane picks up speeds and leaves the airport? Landing at your destination using the safest and fastest form of transportation to ever exist in human history?

[@bullshitman155]

@@mortgageapprovals8933 that sounds... oddly dismissive

[@user-lz2mt5nc9e]

20:50 You would think that a giant aircraft could have a USB stick saving the cockpit audio by more than two hours. It seems completely ridiculous.

[@oystercatcher943]

Yes I find this unfathomable too. I know people who have worked on speech compression for cockpit voice recorders to allow longer recordings even decades ago! I think there is huge preference to keep the technology very simple, robust, highly standardised and unchanged

[@upsydaysy3042]

Thank you for another learning moment Petter, and can I add this time that the comment section in your videos is one of the most civilised and well-informed in all of KZbin? I always learn something more reading comments, and the discussion is always respectful. You built that following with your professionalism, and it speaks volumes about the high quality of your work.

[@brianmerz6070]

I am so happy that you take the "human factor" into these incidences. I have transgressed a couple times on my private SEL rating. This happens, and there is much to learn from these mistakes.

[@fahadfaisal7855]

Incorrect! You were training for Private Pilot SEL training with a lot less experience (probably a victim of incompetent CFI), this guy was a captain on a Transport Category Airplane with thousands of hours of experience. You're comparing apples to oranges. I am all about 'Human Factors', but there's a clear difference between a 'Mistake' and 'Incompetence'! However, what I see is how so many on the internet are so impressed by airline pilots that they are simply using 'Human Factors' excuse to give incompetent pilots more credibility by rationalizing incompetent pilots' bizarre and irrational decision-making and actions even when it is clear as daylight that those irrational/unsafe/incompetent pilots could have (and have in the past) killed so many humans!

[@arturoeugster7228]

@@fahadfaisal7855 fully agree

[@planetwally]

I've been binging your videos last few days - I'm surprised in multiple incidents the 2 hr recorder limit caused the recording to get erased. Why has the aviation industry not implemented writing to something like a solid state drive, which can be made extremely small and are naturally extremely resilient as well as having capacities well over 2 hours for voice recording... and honestly, why isn't there a camera recording all cockpit activity ... I feel the aviation industry is not leveraging all the tech that has advanced in last 10-20 years. I made this same comment about lack of cameras overlooking engines and wing configuration so pilots can better troubleshoot. I work in technology and it is so puzzling to me that these relatively simple tech options are not standard.

[@Randrew]

There *are* solid state recorders available these days and standard for some models of very new commercial aircraft. I'm fairly certain the long lag in getting these to market - why they aren't on most aircraft already - is a matter of regulation and qualification. Compared to consumer electronics, it takes a really long time to design, test, achieve approvals and manufacture a critical avionics device. Even now that some approved solid-state recorders are available, aircraft owners will not be rushing to dump significant money on replacing the old recorders without a mandate to do so.

[@PlayshotKalo]

Pilots don't want cameras in the cockpit. Their reasoning is invasion of privacy. But I really think some kind of cameras or scanners should be implemented on parts of the plane that could come out and retract back into the plane for troubleshooting and midflight quick insection purposes.

[@huskkyy]

There are so so many different ways this could have gone catstrophically wrong, I can think of a few ways: * If another aircraft is coming into land and doesn't have enough time to reject before realising the aircraft on the runway is taking off * If the aircraft had a higher payload and fuel weight, they may not have been able to accelerate enough to get airbourne * If there was another aircraft already on the runway ect. The pilots are incredibly lucky this didn't go any worse and even though the damages were minor, this is the reason why authorities investigate these kinds of things. To make sure that the situations above dont happen because of a single mistake.

[@stevendegiorgio3143]

They should have checked the heading on there compass and directional gyro to make sure it matches the runway heading.We do this in small single engine general aviation aircraft.And what about following the airport taxi/runway signs.

[@patagualianmostly7437]

Well, I'm no pilot.... but I'd have thought there would be a mega alert as power was applied, to warn that the take-off heading and the actual heading was 180° out of compliance....even to the point of auto power shut off ???? All those computers that cannot spot a basic human error?

[@AlexAtProject]

@@patagualianmostly7437The computer does not know which way you are taking off, nor does it care.

[@tc1817]

@@AlexAtProject The computer doesn't care, since it's a machine. But the computer systems most certainly know which direction a plane is heading.

[@hairyairey]

@@tc1817 Wouldn't help, I can think of several international runways where the wind direction can change or even have so little wind you can take off either direction.

[@737MaxPilot]

@@AlexAtProject actually it does know…at least in Boeing jets. We now even have a voice telling the pilots which runway they’ve entered.

[@peepers46]

I love your content. I’m not a pilot 🧑‍✈️ , just an aviation enthusiast. You explain things so almost everyone can understand. This one was very interesting and a bit scary. Thank you Sir

[@lisawarr1047]

Really like your content and how you present your information but the adverts that keep popping up drive me crazy it's so off putting l can't enjoy what you are saying. It's a shame.

[@balaviswanathan006]

same here

[@777Outrigger]

Back in the day, our 767-400 aircraft were our Hawaii aircraft. We went into Maui where the long runway was 7,000 ft. At the end of training on the 400, in the sim, they had us accelerate to V1 speed then abort, just to show us what it would look like on this short runway. Looking at the remaining distance at V1 from the cockpit, you'd swear you'd never be able to stop. But you did. Great training. ....... I can understand why the Capt thought he didn't have enough runway to stop.

[@RalphDratman]

I have been a passenger during a rolling takeoff. I loved it! There was a wonderful smooth feeling about the turn and acceleration. It did, though, strike me as slightly more risky than the usual stop and then go. If they had stopped they might have reaized the error much sooner.

[@BrewmasterAdaryn]

I hate flying, I hate the takeoff and landing the most, I’d love a rolling takeoff, the bit when the plane is getting ready to go is the worst.

[@tlangdon12]

I think Petter is of the same opinion - he mentioned that he thought the FO was pre-occupied with juggling the throttles to execute the rolling take off correctly, so would have been focused on the near-distance view, not the view to the end of runway and beyond.

[@gregforeman3205]

I must finally say I love the way you narrate your videos. It make it really easy to visualize the video if you can't watch while playing your videos. Especially after watching the previous videos.

[@Terminator2310]

As a further check, I also check the DI (Direction indicator) to confirm turns on the ground, especially into a runway at an intersection.

[@jasperoostdam4635]

Patreon notification squad! :) Love the details and animations in these videos, and good to see that you're out there having a great time flying again. Keep up the good work!

[@kuteslekkeropzeg]

After 20 years I finally know why our plane did not stop when entering te departure lane but took off without hesitation. Thank you !

[@boeingpilot7002]

Thank you for this great video! It probably should be shown to crewmembers at all airlines during recurrent training, as a good example of the "links in the chain" philosophy of the causes of accidents. -- Expectation bias -- a right turn onto the runway, as the FO had done for the past three days); -- workload management -- a SHORT single-engine taxi, to an intersection takeoff, with a new FO who's taxiing the aircraft (on the captain always taxis the aircraft onto the runway, since the nosewheel steering tiller is on the left side of the cockpit) plus the need to allow the engines to warm-up for at least 2 mins prior to t/o; -- finishing up final items on the runway itself, instead of just before crossing the hold lines (SOP at my airline); -- no RUNWAY VERIFICATION callout by BOTH CREWMEMBERS, before starting the takeoff roll (again, SOP at my airline); no positive-change of control of aircraft, as captain takes over control of the aircraft; -- a new FO who is workload-saturated, combined with a probable desire to do a good job for a senior training captain -- so much so, that she loses situational awareness; -- aircraft without RAAS or Takeoff Surveillance and Monitoring System installed to help prevent a wrong-way takeoff; -- FMA "no runway" annunciated warning ignored; -- any other items, like no "magenta course line" being displayed (?) -- I've only flown the 737, not the airbus, but the EHSI on the 737 would show the magenta course line extending from the aircraft symbol, along the runway centerline, and beyond in accordance with FMC programming. Another factor that may have contributed to the wrong-way takeoff, concerns the runway signage, itself. At 8:37 both the runway signposts and blocks painted on the ground read: 1 2 -- 3 0 , which indicate that the RWY 30 approach end is to the right; the RWY 12 approach end is to the left, but I now wonder if the inexperienced FO could have inadvertently read the signs "backward" -- meaning "for takeoff RWY 30, make a right turn; for takeoff RWY 12, make a left turn, because the number "3-0" is located on the right-side of all of the signs. Just food for thought...

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much - this is informative and very plausible.

[@thom1218]

The Trust lever is an essential checklist item when it comes to a functional working relationship between Captain and Copilot.

[@fadyal-qaisy5213]

Correct, she was a licensed pilot, the Captain trusted her license and the authority that gave her the license.

[@NicolaW72]

It´s obvious that the Captain was not "on the stage" during the taxiing and take-off-roll, otherwise he would have stepped in much earlier and with clear communication.

[@bradleybprentice1497]

I have been an avid reader of air crash investigation reports for years with great interest. As a frequent flyer I am also somewhat of a back seat flyer watching what happens during the flight to satisfy my comfort level. I have many stories of how I sensed a problem had developed on a particular flight I was travelling prior to the cabin crew. These are for another time. It has always been my understanding that not one single factor or decision was the cause of an aircraft accident or incident. Over the years I have sadly lost 2 close associates in seperate commercial air accidents and I have studied those accidents thoroughly. KZbin content produced such as yours demonstrates with clarity and educates how accidents happen making it a safer industry. Knowing what I do, I am not a nervous flyer but rather quite confident with the professionals we trust to get us to our destination safely. Thanks again for your efforts creating this content.

[@Suburp212]

I think that City is pronounced shahr- dshah. Those graphics are getting more and more insane, Petter. Well done.

[@MentourPilot]

Yeah, my pronunciation is and will remain slightly Swedish I’m afraid. Thanks for your feedback

[@B2BWide]

@@MentourPilot Never mind, most people is in this same situation. Except the non-Swedish. ;) It is the content what is important and we will find out our favourite pronounciation when it comes to difficult ones. (Perhaps this is the case why you don't cover Hungarian incidents and accidents? :D :D :D )

[@obdev9473]

It's actually spelled (in Arabic) Sharq-ah but (as you say) pronounced Sharj-ah in the Gulf dialect. It's a friendly little airport though. Why fly into DXB and queue in immigration for hours when you can be in a taxicab to Dubai 10 mins after touchdown in SHJ. There is also a super aviation museum on the site of the old airport (and RAF station) at Al Mahatta.

[@bkaczy]

@@MentourPilot But the new simulation of Pilot and FO bodies are incredible, imagine they could speak and the story is even better ;-) Nice job!

[@anneharrison1849]

@@MentourPilot This particular one came over unfortunately as to me it sounded pretty much how British newsreaders say Sharia, as in "Sharia Law".

[@cryptog5543]

42 passengers on an airplane this size is so awesome. I had an opportunity to do this on my way to Mexico City. So much leg room.

[@Freckles557]

Very Good Video. I'm a 20 yr flight instructor and from first flight I emphasize going the correct direction on takeoff. The reason is because the main runway at KACY is 13-31. The most confusing combination. I do this by the "big number-little number" system. Big number is the number of the runway and little number is what is on the heading indicator. They match all is ok. So line up on the runway stopped or rolling and say to yourself "big number-little number. Thankfully this mistake is rare and has never happened with me or my students. Keep up the good work

[@BarryChumbles]

I'm really surprised this happened - even as a fairly low hours PPL, flying a little single prop Cessna, part of the standard pre-roll checklist is to ensure that the compass and DI both indicate that you're on the correct runway.

[@tedh8390]

Well basically she was a low time pilot!!!! Where in the world would they let a 150 hr pilot in the cockpit of an airliner????. I will never in my life fly Air Arabia.

[@thepianoman1010]

Tom Whalley ... I am also a single-engine rated PPL and learned to fly in the 70's ... what happened here was inexcusable and by both pilots. Dreadful flying skills. What if runway 30 was a live landing runway! Consider that!

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@tedh8390 Anywhere except the US, pretty much. The 1600 hour rule is a uniquely American thing. I think the MPL route has you flying airliners a little earlier than the CPL route, but it's normal for new first officers to be low hours. Of course, those hours don't include the many hours they will have spent in a simulator during their type rating.

[@stephenc2481]

They should have installed Apple Siri. Siri would have told them..."wrong way...make a U-turn now"!

[@ShadowRap-y5l]

@@tedh8390 MPL that’s why

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I’m surprised that manufacturers haven’t started using a digital cockpit voice recording. With how inexpensive and durable high density solid state storage has become I don’t see why they couldn’t make a digital recording that’s far longer than 2 hours. Even if it couldn’t be relied on to survive destructive accidents it could still be useful in situations where pilots either accidentally or on purpose record over the CVR during incidents like the one in this video.

[@anneharrison1849]

I've been wondering the same, the number of times it would have been useful to have further back in time it seems like a very cheap add on that could be useful for training as well.

[@jinxedpenguin]

Some recorders are, most newer ones are around 25hrs. The EASA requires it, so do/are India and Singapore. No clue why the FAA hasn't required (The NTSB recommended 25 hour recorders in 2018)

[@DaveDepilot-KFRG]

@bart solari FAA is too busy hassling pilots over class 3 medicals due to some silly ADHD diagnosis when they were in 1st grade. LOL

[@hairyairey]

They still rely on tape as it can handle severe G forces. Solid state storage is useless if it fractures on impact.

[@cgirl111]

@@hairyairey It can be streamed instead of recorded onboard. Up to a satellite then back down to whoever it was meant for and can't be turned off. There is no reason any of the onboard data is captured onboard. The whole concept of the black box is outdated by decades. In the US trucking companies monitor their drivers better than airlines monitor their pilots.

[@greyneutralgrey]

@MentourPilot: your videos are simply the best. The sheer density and quality of each *entire* segment you create is the best of the best. And the animations, captions, labels, etc. are so well done! Your attention to detail is incredible. If I may make one small observation on that last note: literally the only thing I can find to comment on is perhaps ensuring you get the pronunciation of cities right. Sharjah is, for example, Shaar-Jaah, with a hard J. A very easy way is to type "How to pronounce Sharjah" into KZbin, problem solved :). Another tricky one was Kozhikode. "Coley-code" is close enough. I look forward to tons of these!

[@danobrien3601]

Happened to me once flying a C150 . I had a brain flip and took off with a tail wind of 20 knots . Now normally the takeoff is around 60 knots IAS so I'm roaring down the runway wondering why the undercarriage was making such a racket and yet there was no bite in the controls . Then I realized I was 'wrong way Dan ' . The fence was coming up and a drainage ditch . It was too late to pull up so I nursed the bird just off the ground and held it there . It worked ( thank God for a bit of Ground effect even in a high wing ) and I crawled into the sky relieved that I had made it . I suppose the ground speed must have been hitting 75 -80 knots at takeoff . These days I look at the windsock as an arrow . The narrow end points to the takeoff end like an arrow .. GOT IT DAN ? duh I think so .

[@oldetymebiker2405]

I can completely understand the first officer making the wrong turn, repetition and workload can cause this type of error. Every decision after that is terrifying. Another fantastic video 👍

[@samernattifi3883]

I don’t understand the first officer making such a mistake. It was her job to do a safe take off. Imagine if a doctor gave a patient a lethal wrong medication, wouldn’t you all be loud about having his license revoked? She overestimated herself, she wasn’t concentrated, and on top of that she was very professional being incapacitated and startled in suche a situation

[@samernattifi3883]

@@sopyleecrypt6899 what’s the difference between picking the wrong runway and the wrong syringe?

[@juhapehkonen7347]

@@samernattifi3883 You do realize about 80 percent of airplane accidents are due to human error? Everybody makes mistakes. If you only got on flights where the pilots are infallible, you'd be taking the bus.

[@Jehty_]

@@samernattifi3883 medical errors happen all the time. Apparently there are up to 250.000 deaths in the US alone because of medical errors. Have you ever heard of 250.000 doctors losing their job each year? Me neither. So maybe instead of demanding people to lose their job when they make a mistake we should try to prevent mistakes from happening. And you can be certain that the pilot from this video won't ever make this mistake again.

[@57thorns]

@@samernattifi3883 There is always someone jumping on the blame wagon, who do not understand what safety culture means. You need to learn about that, but the good news is that you only have to watch this video again and listen carefully to what is said about 30 seconds into the video.

[@altawashm]

In the UAE ATC, we don't talk/discuss the incident/mistake on the radio (it add unnecessary work load). We just inform a ROSI is filled "Report of safety incident". Airport management, ATC safety and GCAA will do the rest. Making ATC and pilot life easier ☺️ great contents mentor, thank u.

[@ciprian7243]

Brilliant one. Thought this would be sunwing in the teaser pic, was so focused on winglets being orange that I missed it is a different plane altogether... :))) Excellent content, and even if the mistake of the FO is obvious, the captain is not stain free. He did well to take control (sort of) but everything after is pretty messed up.

[@MentourPilot]

The Captain is ultimately responsible for the flight ESPECIALLY when training a new first officer. I would say he is probably in more trouble than the FO

[@fadyal-qaisy5213]

@@MentourPilot she was already a licensed pilot not a trainee. How do you explain her being incapacitated and startled in such a critical situation? Is it also his fault? She was already a licensed pilot again

[@andrewlucia865]

@@fadyal-qaisy5213 Being a licensed pilot has absolutely nothing to do with startle or incapacitation. The fact that you think being a licensed pilot would make you immune to that is frankly ridiculous. Mentor has another video where a much more experienced first officer suffered a much more severe incident of freezing up from the startle effect, which led to a rather crazy series of events that thankfully ended with everyone uninjured. And just to head this off, since I also saw another argument you've gotten into, no this has nothing to do with being male or female. The first officer in the other incident I mentioned was male. Everyone can make mistakes, even those with thousands of hours of experience. Several deadly crashes have been a result of such mistakes by very experienced pilots. Tenerife comes to mind as a particularly severe example

[@MentourPilot]

@@fadyal-qaisy5213 the world is not quite as black and white as that. She was under training and as such, must be supervised. Just like I’m guessing you made mistakes when you first started out on whatever job you are doing. She was not finished with her training, that’s what I mentioned about MPL. We all make mistakes and in this case, the FO started the mistake but the captain is the one who needs to realize it and stop it from happening. He did not. All actions taken from when the takeoff power was set is the combined responsibility of both pilots but ultimately the captain. The decision to not reject was the least safe option as made clear by the final report. It was lucky that no one was hurt in this incident. This is NOT a gender thing. If you look through my playlist of incidents and accidents you will see that it’s dominated by male pilots, does that mean male pilots are more dangerous? Assumptions based on that are just unfair and incorrect.

[@fadyal-qaisy5213]

@@MentourPilot i suppose pilots are given the license when they are able to take off and land on their own, correct me if i am wrong. The captain trusted the authority that gave her that license, and focused on his job doing the checklist. She was certified and responsible to do a safe take-off, she made a mistake and failed. The pilot took a decision instead of being startled, his decision saved lives. Imagine if she were the captain in a similar Situation with only seconds to make a decision

[@pilroberts6185]

Good material, as always! I'm looking forward to your eventual analysis of last month's terrifying close 'near miss'; Emirates Flight 231 .

[@NicolaW72]

That would be indeed very interesting.

[@CrowMercury]

Truly a fantastic instructor. He realized the trainee made an error and proceeded to teach her the best way to aggravate the situation and attempt a Runaway excursion 😂.

[@giftofthewild6665]

I think the emergency situations training in that airline / country was probably lacking.

[@flo3467]

The safety culture in many airlines in that part of the world is questionable to say the least...

[@mayurkadam4434]

Hey Captain check out 1996 charkhi dadri mid-air collision over Delhi airport. The crash killed all 349 people on board both planes, making it the world's deadliest mid-air collision and the deadliest aviation accident to occur in India

[@MentourPilot]

It’s added to the list

[@mayurkadam4434]

@@MentourPilot Captain one more that is how b787 start it's engine without it's apu bleed instead it use electricity. Very curious about it

[@suhailummer2697]

@@mayurkadam4434 B787 using electric starter(VFSG) instead of pneumatic starter.

[@geeksky4870]

Yeeew, dedicated Patreon crew. I was working at my computer when I got the preview notification. Only posted for 2mins and already had 8 views

[@zevnikov]

After watching all these videos I realized I can finnaly run a commercial jetliner.

[@sehfisch2350]

wouldn't it make sense to have a secondary voice recorder that has enough capacity to record the whole fligth for cases like this? it wouldn't even have to be as strongly protected just be able to record for a long time so it could be used in cases where the plane does return safely to the ground

[@MoritzvonSchweinitz]

I think I heard that pilot's unions are against this, because any joke or comment they make would be recorded.

[@bkaczy]

Our latests accidents at Dubai airport could prove that pilots could deliberately use the 2-hour time of voice recorder to "erase" their responsibility, wonder that sensors/machines are recorded but voice is a little bit in favour....

[@sehfisch2350]

@@MoritzvonSchweinitz I mean I wouldn't suggest that every recording is saved forerver and analysed, but say saved for two weeks. and of course not made available to the public. This could maybe also be used in investigations: say a plane crashes and you have a few theories what it could be, then you could check the last two weeks of voice logs, maybe a pilot said sth that seemed totally inconspicuous at the time "strange that nose gear indicator lamp took slightly longer than usual to turn green" if this happened multiple times it could indicate that sth was wrong with the landing gear They are responsible for the lives of hundreds of people and its not like mundane hour long voicelogs of commercial pilots are particularly attractive targets for hackers. so I think the trade of between safety and privacy would be worth it. also: we are talking about two/three highly trained professionals, currently engaged in safety critical work. it's not like were putting microphones in their homes

[@MoritzvonSchweinitz]

@@sehfisch2350 oh, I fully agree with you! But pilot's unions are very strong in many parts of the world. But i also don't see the issue. These recordings could be encrypted and under lock and key so that they are only ever used or listened to if shit hits the fan. But alas...

[@CobisTaba]

In cases where you *really* need the voice recorder, the aircraft most likely crashed. And thus needs the protection. In cases where the aircraft is fine, the real need for it is much lower, especially as the pilots are alive. Wouldn't that be the cost-benefit trade-off?

[@JasonGillmanJr]

A quick validation is making sure your heading roughly lines up with the runway as well

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Hindsight is easy and there were so many little things that could have shown both pilots what was about to happen

[@quenchize]

I am surprised that is not part of the before takeoff checklist

[@JackieontheTrunk]

I must say, the way you approach these stories and present clear, detailed explanation, makes these very intriguing and enjoyable to watch. Thank you.

[@alandaters8547]

Another great video. Like many viewers (I hope!) I tried to put myself in the place of both pilots. And yes, I can see how it happened and that I might do the same thing. I hope that viewers really listen to your descriptions and reflect on how THEY would perform. We all have weakness, espially when things happen quickly. On a different note, it was a treat to see your wife and son in the commercial! For anyone who fast forwarded through it, consider going back and watch.

[@CollaredDom]

My weakness is getting stared at for deciding so quickly in an emergency. I've lost count of the number of times instructors have looked at me like I'd lost my mind, not realizing I just saved their lives. Sure, they recognize it a few seconds later, and start yelling at whomever almost caused their death, but it's still unnerving for them to be staring at me like I'm crazy. LOL

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, indeed!

[@TheDiego1255]

Question. Why are cockpit voice recorders outfitted with such short tapes? Digitally we can store hours of video, nevermind audio, on tiny little SD cards that could be protected in a destructive crash situation. How comes this hasn't been improved in the last few decades? Thanks!

[@houstonhelicoptertours1006]

The latest CVR all use solid-state memory. The simple question of cost-benefit, like with every for-profit business.It's mostly up to the operators when and how to upgrade.

[@David-ud9ju]

I've wondered this too. It's just audio; even high quality audio only takes up megabytes of space. They should be able to record for weeks.

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

They use actual tape and not digital they should have both tho for cases like this

[@chloehennessey6813]

My grandpa and dad both own GA planes. Which of course got me into aviation. Which lead me to your channel and other aviation channels. What I absolutely love about aviation is the community and the way it seeks to learn from mistakes instead of damning someone. (Given they aren’t serious mistakes, I mean).

[@flyingluftwaffe9617]

Just a small little clarification, it's not pronounced "Shariah" it's simply pronounced "Sharjah" with the j sound. Great video Captain!

[@abaileyau]

Thank you for also pointing that out, I mentioned it that it was my reason of disliking this video. Disrespecting the standard pronunciation of the name of the city with a totally different pronunciation is not respectful. Thank you for also pointing this out to this KZbinr

[@UrPilotNatt]

@@abaileyau oh no, someone mispronounced something, it's the worst thing ever. Is that really a reason to dislike a video? Let's just not talk about the in depth explanation of this flight incident.

[@abaileyau]

@@UrPilotNatt oh no somebody commented about that oh my God

[@TheComputec]

@@abaileyau ironically I have always pronounced the name Raf as "pedant"

[@abaileyau]

@@TheComputec I like it 👌

[@bsa45acp]

A brief one second look at that little non electrical powered instrument called a compass would have indicated that they were not on a proper heading for the proper runway. As a CFII that little safety check was taught to all of my students.

[@rogergeyer9851]

bsa45acp: Exactly. Or the captain paying some attention, given how little experience the copilot had. For such things to happen, several mistakes are made (ray paying attention to various things), and given such mistakes can kill everyone onboard in some situations, paying attention SHOULD be a BIG DEAL. Especially when the devices that pay attention to the ground location, direction and issue appropriate warnings, etc. aren't even installed (which IMO, in modern times, is outrageous itself).

[@TheEDFLegacy]

That would only work if it wasn't for expectation bias. If I'm understanding the report correctly, they normally take off in the direction they were going, but this time they were supposed to take off in the opposite direction. So she may have instinctively in the direction she was used to taking off from.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

@@rogergeyer9851 Oh, indeed. The flight officer is guilty of making a mistake, but the _captain_ is guilty of pure negligence. She definitely needs to be refrain, but he definitely deserves to be _fired_ .

[@57thorns]

The problem of course is that they had been taking off at bearing 120 on runway 12 every other time. It would be like going to work, always taking a right turn but planning to go left because of an accident you heard mentioned on the radio. I guess more than half the time people will still go right and have to wait at the accident.

[@hepburndavis296]

I my country, Jamaica, Rass is an expletive which means you’re about to mess up. Rass is very applicable in this situation.

[@Danstaafl]

This is somewhat akin to that Delta out of Kentucky taking off on the wrong runway, that one didn't go as well I'm afraid.

[@CorgiDaddy2]

Reminds me of the Air Canada flight where the pilots almost landed on a crowded taxiway.

[@krashd]

@@CorgiDaddy2 Or Western Airlines Flight 2605 where a plane landed on an unfinished runway and collided with a backhoe with spectacularly catastrophic results. Seemingly there have been no less than five air crashes that were the result of landing on a closed or unfinished runway - which is a scary thought.

[@737MaxPilot]

Technically, that was a regional airline, with a Delta paint scheme.

[@hgbugalou]

I really do not understand why airbus does side stick averaging with conflicting controls. I cannot think of a single scenario where this would be helpful. I still think there should be an audible call out for side stick conflict. I have seen so many accidents and incidents caused by side stick conflict. On a Boeing you would feel the conflicting controls in the yoke, but a audible call out is probably still a good idea there too.

[@beeble2003]

I think averaging does make sense. If the pilots' inputs are similar, the average should be better than either one. If their inputs are very different, then the average is likely to be a fairly neutral position, which is basically what would happen on a Boeing if one pilot was pushing forwards and the other pulling back.

[@sarowie]

calling it "averaging" is a misnomer: If both pilots input 5% left, the system applies the sum: 10% left. I am even more puzzled where this "feature" comes from: In what situation is that helpful? Getting a feel for how a plane reacts to side stick input is tricky enough, as there is no (force) feedback via the stick, but adding the input of the other stick can only be confusing. I imagine that intentionally applying dual input can only result in pilot induced oscillation, as both pilot independently try to get the plane to do something and thus pushing and easing on the side stick, trying to compensate what the other pilot is doing.

[@thepianoman1010]

Michael O ... I agree ... a standard control column as found on a 737 for example, shows each input into it for both pilots. Both can at all times see what position the controls are in, i.e. what the other pilot is doing with it.

[@aarondynamics1311]

There is a "dual input" callout

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

The dumb arse Air France pilots who killed everybody in the South Atlantic were doing that not even recognising that they were falling in a full stall.

[@ct8618]

At 17:50 it shows 20% left and 30% left stick would average out to 50% when the average should be 25%.

[@mathieuclement8011]

as a recently minted private pilot with a similar number of hours, I really struggle to understand how with only 160 hours the trainee was able to get to in the cockpit of an airliner so quickly. The required number of hours for an ATP by the FAA and the EASA is 1,500 hours.

[@MentourPilot]

it’s a special type of license called MPL. Look it up on Google . It will explain it

[@fadyal-qaisy5213]

@@MentourPilot so she was already a licensed pilot and yet made such a mistake. How was she given the license?

[@CascadiaAviation]

@@fadyal-qaisy5213 did you watch the video? The point is anyone could make a mistake. Thinking you’re immune to error is a surefire way to let your guard down.

[@fadyal-qaisy5213]

@Fidd88 no, taking that turn was not a standard, the standard in her job is to check her position at all times, that’s why she was given the license, to keep such parameters in check. Imagine a doctor saying: the standard is to give all Patients Novalgin as a pain medication, except in pregnancy where it is contraindicated. , if he gave it to a female without ruling out pregnancy then he deserves his license revoked and even punished by law for negligence!

[@rogergeyer9851]

@Fidd88 Fidd88: But driving in your car, such a turn (if done safely re traffic) is NOT dangerous, much less fatal. It's merely inconvenient, and yes, I have done this on a Saturday, starting off to work, when I intended to go somewhere else. But for one COMMERCIAL pilot doing this on a flight while the other pilot pays NO attention, AND the equipment to detect such failures isn't even installed on a modern large commercial aircraft -- it makes me glad I no longer fly. Too many stupid decisions, including lack of installing safety equipment, IMO.

[@PMX]

Cockpit voice recorders still only lasting two hours is inexcusable. Luckily it seems EASA is requiring 25 hours CVRs for new planes as of last year (and the US NTSB made a similar recommendation to the FAA in 2018, although I can't seem to find if FAA actually did anything with that recommendation)

[@heinzmeier2]

Great video! One minor addition: for the A320 FMA to indicate RWY, the selected runway has to be equipped with a localiser, that the a/c can receive. If not, there will not be a RWY FMA Announciation. An example would be EDDF RWY 18, which is only used for departures and therefor is not equipped with an ILS. You will not have RWY FMA there, so it would have been somewhat common not to make that callout for the pilots

[@Hubjeep]

16:31 I thought you said "she throws up", lol.

[@MentourPilot]

Nop, she did not, just to blur clear

[@DaveDepilot-KFRG]

for safety reasons, intersection departures were not done at my home airport unless there was a plane blocking the runway entrance at the end, holding for IFR release, not ready, broken, etc

[@davepompea]

Why does the taxiway sign change from Bravo to Alpha at the 0:10 mark?

[@dannyboyNS752]

Great eye. Wished we got an answer.

[@VNeto94]

A glitch in the Matrix

[@gemberkoekje]

I can only assume this first officer learned from this mistake, and will never make this mistake again. It's not the most fun way of learning and improving, but it is the most effective way to learn, to make mistakes and improve from them.

[@johnj3577]

I'll bet she checks the NAV and runway direction meticulously and perfectly for the rest of her career.

[@Nemesisnxt]

I’m a little surprised to find out that intersection departures are a desirable procedure for the airlines. I understand the time and fuel savings, but is it worth the reduced safety margin? I’m just a PPL, but I’ve heard from numerous senior pilots; “What three things are no good to a pilot? Altitude above you, fuel in the truck, and runway behind you”.

[@beeble2003]

Right but this runway is 4km long, and you just saw that the plane was able take off in 1km, with a tailwind. Sure, runway behind you is useless but there's so much runway here that giving up a quarter of it should never be an issue.

[@NicolaW72]

:-)

[@jamesj2509]

It's extremely common, as is reduced thrust on takeoff which amounts to the same thing. They also don't brim the fuel tanks every time or always climb to service ceiling.

[@radioace318la]

Only in special circumstances IMHO.

[@Delibro]

Intersection departures are only used if the carefully calculated runway length in the current weather and airplane condition plus the most unfortunate aborting distance plus some 10 % error margin is still within the available runway length. If so, an intersecting departure can safely be done. Keep in mind, that not only different airplanes but also different circumstances like wind, wet runway, plane weight, snow, airport altitude etc. make so much difference that the actual needed runway length is very often much much shorter then the complete runway.

[@charisselinnell-morton4137]

I was not familiar with this incident at all. Thank you so much for such interesting and thoughtful information. It’s always presented in a way that is very easy to understand and can be watched be anyone who has an interest in aviation.

[@Ab-jx2sx]

Man I have been watching most of your accidents videos in like 2 days .. a major reason is the animations and also how accurate they are from an actual pilot perspective .. amazing work ... btw the letter j in Sharjah is pronounced like j in English, not in Spanish

[@josephvanwie6706]

During the last twenty years I've spoken to many pilots. The airline industry has lowered their pay scale to point that most are forced to work a second job. This causes stress and makes it hard to concentrate on flying. If the public knew of the near misses and unreported accidents in the airline industry, most would take alternative travel options. Not to mention the much lower technical training on maintaining these highly technical crafts. Pilots like you are far and few between!

[@nomayor1]

Well, we can connect the dots: Start the second engine while taxing putting more workload on the crew, an under training first officer in the crew, and neither RASS nor the Airbus systems were installed. In all, the root cause, the fundamental reason for this incident, is what we all see in the companies we work: "Budget cuts" and "Budget cuts" and "Budget cuts".

[@chillidogkev]

What a wonderful advert for passenger confidence.

[@Delibro]

@Joseph: No, that is simply not true. And you can look up salaries for airline pilots for your own if you don't believe. Please stop sharing false facts.

[@dikizi]

No Mention was made of the Compass in the cockpit display. Surely that is the best indicator of what your heading is without all of these software driven systems? Having said that, my father was an RAF Bomber Command aviator. When I started flying training in the RAF back in the 70's he gave me the best advice that resonated throughout my flying career and his voice spoke to me in times of trouble. He told me there are three things that are useless to an aviator... Runway behind you, Altitude above you and fuel that is not in your tanks. This advice, along with many of his one liners saved the day on several occasions. Prior to take off I would check the WAT performance for departure and given the choice would never accept runway behind me. Rather taxi for a little longer than compromise the great unknown future.

[@FastColin]

Thank you for once again a brilliant video Petter! Big shoutout to the crew working tirelessly behind the scenes making these videos with high production value possible! Now go get that 1 million subscribers :)

[@allexio]

It isn't the first time I hear that the cockpit voice recorder was erased because it was too long and there were multiple flights or whatnot, but seriously? how is this possible in 2022? there should be hundreds of hours on there... pure audio data for 100 hours of recording would take about 10GBs... how much do these planes cost that they can't have a flash drive that has 10GBs of storage in there...

[@MentourPilot]

It’s a great question. I’ll set up a Q&A with the regulators soon

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Who says they use flash storage? And if they do, be carefull how you store it. If something is damaged, you still want to be able to recover as much as possible. And all of a sudden your disk space requirements are completely different.

[@charliecharliewhiskey9403]

I'm not sure what is actually used as a storage medium for the voice recordings (probably something tougher than flash storage for crash purposes) but I definitely agree that there ought to be a secondary device that stores hundreds of hours of voice without a wipe. Such storage would be useless in the event of a crash, but would be useful in cases like this one, where it might be useful but there is no plane-destroying crash event. Bearing in mind these planes cost millions, I'm not sure why a secondary non-impact-resilient device costing even 20 grand would be a burdensome cost.

[@IdleCommentator]

Well, if we are talking about Cockpit Voice Recorder - an ordinary flash or hard drive would not exactly do here as it has to be highly damage resistant. Some airlines nowadays have additional cockpit audio and sometimes even video recording with less stringent requirements to its longevity, but this is far from being standard practice.

[@petrkubena]

@@charliecharliewhiskey9403 Flash storage is one of the toughest you can find. It is solid state and if properly mounted it can (and does) survive shooting out of a gun.

[@davidcole333]

I can see how that could happen even with all of the modern systems in today's aircraft. I think the first officer lacked situational awareness and that was caused by the lack of a proper briefing because of the rushed departure. Additionally, the runway "12-30" sign indicates runway direction, but since it is an intersection takeoff, you have to turn in the opposite direction of the sign to line up with the correct runway. I could see how an inexperienced pilot would instinctively turn towards the 12 instead of away from the 12.

[@BobStein]

Are you saying the intersection should have been labeled "30-12"? I was thinking that "12-30" could be a misleading visual cue that runway 30 is to the right.

[@raerohan4241]

​@@BobStein Yeah, I saw that and was also puzzled. That can't be standard notation, can it? It's completely counterintuitive